One my favorite demo videos, dude just straight leveled that house hard 💪💯

Someone's pride and joy. A warm home in winter. Families were raised in that house. How soon we are gone and forgotten. Be all you can to your family. You'll need that more than money if you should be granted a long life.

I have to say , this operator is one of the best, if not the best operator,s i have seen, with out a doubt he's decisive, accurate, and most important fast, he waste no time, other then his cell phone, which with out a doubt is another job calling for his expertise. Good Job.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! We really enjoyed watching him do his work.He's well-respected in the business.

Worked for a demo company for 10 years as a dump trailer driver. Out guys were some of the best in the business. We always checked all structures for asbestos before demo proceeded. We had a sister company that took care of all the abatement.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

This was all done under the watchful eye of the EPA.

@MrCountrycuz

5 жыл бұрын

@@ithacajosh4155 We never had any trouble from those guys down here in SC.

Wow, I’ve never seen a house demolished. Now it’s here , and now it’s gone! It’s amazing how the right machinery made such an “easy” job of it. That thing takes big bites and just crunches them up. I was also impressed at how he didn’t damage the nearby building when he took the roof down. Thanks for sharing!

The Dog is stunned by all the extra garden to play in!

20:45 to the 20:55 mark. Priceless.

Just an old, ordinary, wooden house. No architectural significance, just plain jane. Its demolition and clearance is no loss to that neighborhood.

What a great job the machine driver and his man on the hose made of that demolition in difficult conditions

I have a demolition company in my area that’s very fast and efficient at residential demolition, and they get most of the demolition jobs in the area. When UPMC Susquehanna Williamsport Regional Medical Center and Penn College bought up many properties, they hired Steinbacher Enterprises, Inc. to destroy the house on each purchased property.

Those old homes have REAL 2X4's in them and are worth money to people restoring heavily damaged older homes. Deconstruction saves our landfills; and materials.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. Actually, I must correct you. As extreme lovers of the environment who are very conscious of the need to reuse and recycle, we were very attentive to these issues when we had the home demolished. There were no hardwood floors (all plywood), and the construction was extremely shoddy (ceilings were only about two meters), so even the sill plates, framing, and studs were water-damaged and of no use. All materials were of the lowest quality. Even with this being said, we had the local reuse/recycle operation come and take what they wanted for resale or reuse. There was some copper and other scrap metal, which were recycled. The windows were actually not reusable because all but one of the vapor barriers were compromised and many were physically broken. It was, I admit, sad, but this home really needed to go to a better place.

@abbyscharun6936

4 жыл бұрын

Twenty minutes in the cat or two months of hammer and crowbar

Our operators allways used pinchers instead of the bucket and thumb. we could change out a bucket for a pincher in 5 minutes. And we used Clement round bottom steel trailers so we could put anything in it with no worries. Also had a couple of Monstars tall trailers for volume C and D.

Be sure to take Dramamine before you watch this video. The camera operator was unable to hold the camera steady

@davidlang1125

4 жыл бұрын

You’d think that if a person was to stand there for as long as he did he’d have used a tripod.

Can't see Health & Safety Regulations in UK allowing just a hose to keep any asbestos from turning to dust and getting into the air. I'm sure they would have had to have stripped all asbestos out first. Wouldn't even be allowed to mix asbestos with any other material.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

I’m sure you’re right, although they did take all sorts of precautions.

is it the right house ?

I like how he keeps collapsing the house on itself and keeps everything in a nice neat pile then loads it up in the truck so skillfully. really awesome work. good operator. how long has he been doing demo?

Love the garage and in-law quarters that you put in there. Very slick, I was wondering what you were going to do on that hill. Saw it on GoogleMaps street view.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, the dreams we have. There will be a lot of fill, not to level the backyard front to back, but to make it a little more even from side to side. We will also fill so that a vehicle can drive down along the south border of the yard and get to the backyard. The slope isn’t as extreme as it seems, and I’ve lived there for almost thirty years, so I’m used to it. Thanks for the kind words!

@jonloveslucy

5 жыл бұрын

Here's a timelapse video of the new garage foundation construction: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4RktMOPl6XLaaQ.html and then the building construction: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGij1NRxdLaxn8Y.html

I was thinking that was an ugly little house and after I read your comments about the ceiling height and so on ,it's not surprising you bought it and flattened it. I would have too.

Sad to see all that lumber being destroyed. Salvaging is expensive, I know, but clean, straight wood is getting almost impossible to find.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

We offered it up to multiple organizations and companies. No one would take it because of quality, length of studs, and the asbestos.

Look at the Solor Panels an the Red house

How much does that excavator weigh?

THE CONTRACT WAS FOR 506 CLIFF ST..LETS LOAD UP AND GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE !!!!!

Nice job and you have some cute dogs love the video

So this was in Ithaca NY . Found it after seaching many PA and NY cities with the same address.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Yup.

looks much better....also, nice dog at the end.

Very satisfying to watch

exellent video,

Is Cliff Street a major arterial street or part of a state highway because it appears very busy with a lot of truck traffic.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, a state road and very busy.

those old siding shingles were made with asbestos.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that’s correct.

That's a powerful machine

i don't know what town this is but if i'm not mistaken that is asbestos siding on that house tell me i'm wrong i thought they had to remove that first im not even sure this is in the united states

@joshuaadams7438

4 жыл бұрын

steven herrold It’s a an asbestos-safe demolition. There was asbestos throughout the building. It was monitored and watched by the EPA. That’s why they’re spraying water on it.

Cleavland Brown falls out the front in a bathtub...NO...NO....NO...NO!

Wish this had been filmed from the front, I would have loved to have seen more of the inside of the house. Also kept saying at the good parts; "Zoom IN... Zoom IN...".

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Ask and you shall receive. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWaapbJqYsfbZqw.html

Very efficient work , spaying water is excellent idea !!!!!!!!!!!!

Was there any asbest in those facade plates? Just courious. Nice video! :)

@ithacajosh4155

6 жыл бұрын

Yes. Asbestos everywhere: exterior shingles, floor tiles, vermiculite in attic. And thanks for the kind words!

@reichgbg

6 жыл бұрын

Oki. Thank's for your reply!

that is a killer machine, literally. huge and powerful, and I love the metal cage to protect against falling crap. wow what power. beautiful to watch him work.

Oh my gosh. I remember that house.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

VGAPR Garage Oh funny! Did you know the Josephs?

@zamzammrfixit3113

5 жыл бұрын

me too .. i used to play in that house and i drank water from that tap and i peed in that toilet .. OMG .. its gone now , all i have is the memories in that house .. i remember farting in the back room

So close to the road. Seems like it could be moved down the road.

What are you going to put in its place?

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

John M. Evangelis A garage and in-law apartment. Almost done with that. Next year a deck between.

@johnm.evangelis693

5 жыл бұрын

That's nice you are looking after your wife's parents. God bless you!!!

Is this in the North East ? Upstate New York ?

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Reel Fun Yes.

@zamzammrfixit3113

5 жыл бұрын

its east west

@reelfun6042

5 жыл бұрын

Very funny James .

Was ist denn das für eine Pappschachtel

So why was all the concrete debris left? looks a little trashy left like that..

@ithacajosh4155

6 жыл бұрын

Because it's clean fill and we're filling a great deal. Also, building in that spot. building is getting there! Will post more videos as we develop the property.

@jonloveslucy

5 жыл бұрын

Here's the construction of the foundation of the new garage: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4RktMOPl6XLaaQ.html

@jonloveslucy

5 жыл бұрын

and then the building construction: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGij1NRxdLaxn8Y.html

Why do people ask questions and make comments without reading the descriptions?

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Tong Sheng Because that’s what people do, I guess. I wonder the same thing. Thanks for the comment! :)

@zamzammrfixit3113

5 жыл бұрын

what is your problem ?

@daneclark3161

5 жыл бұрын

james bailey - Idiots too lazy to read and consequently repeatedly ask the same questions...

R.I.P. (Rest In Pieces)

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

ha ha!

@57fitter

5 жыл бұрын

@@ithacajosh4155 Or ripped into pieces...

Looks like asbestes siding on that old house

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Yes--it was an asbestos-safe removal. Lots of regulations and precautions.

@asbestosfiber

5 жыл бұрын

@@ithacajosh4155 Yeah, lots of precautions, like what exactly? water hose?

@billforse2687

5 жыл бұрын

That's how my mom died, lived next to a house being demolished, no water was used

@garyjohnson4657

4 жыл бұрын

The shingles,when whole, are non friable. When broken the asbestos is released Into the air. When the tiles are painted, or encapsulated, they are safe. The amount of asbestos released from a painted tile is miniscule.

White asbestos tile siding? Shouldn't they be treated as HazMat?

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

It was treated as HazMat. Digital monitors, human EPA inspector the whole time, spraying water, masks and hazmat suits...

Do you hear how brittle that place is, a can of gasoline and a match and it would have down in half the time.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. That would have been fun, if a bit dangerous.

I can’t believe you can unload right on the road without protecting it. We always have to lay down old tires first. How did you get over the sidewalk,we put down steel plates.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

They thought they would damage the sidewalk rolling the excavator over it, but they didn't--all was fine.

It's legal because there is no dust, and it was all hauled off.

It would have been a much better video id the camra man had a tripod. Soooo, how much did that cost?

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

ha ha. I know. I never expected anyone to watch it. I only filmed it for posterity. Somewhere north of 20K. We'll leave it at that.

I would have liked to seen it all.......... even if was an hour and a half.....or 2 hours.

@jonloveslucy

5 жыл бұрын

Well it's your lucky day, because here's another vid of the same demolition: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWaapbJqYsfbZqw.html

Would have liked to see a GoPro camera on the excavator stick.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

What a great idea!

How did the demo contractor get by without removing the asbestos siding???

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Brian Mullins -I’m not sure how it works in your locality, but this is the way it works here. The building had lots of asbestos throughout, including the siding. The home was condemned because it was uninhabitable (for many reasons not related to the asbestos). Once condemned, the owner is allowed to demolish and remove the entire structure, protecting the environment and immediate area from asbestos contamination. So it was an “asbestos-safe” removal You’ll notice the guy spraying water and another just watching. Those are state-certified asbestos abatement experts. The water keeps friable asbestos out of the air. The entirety of the building remnants went to an asbestos-protected landfill.

@xenon53827

5 жыл бұрын

Then wherever it ends up, the water dries out...

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, which is true whether they remove it or don't. Wherever it goes, there it is. :-)

@xenon53827

5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully!

@kvaegenbjergvej

5 жыл бұрын

@@ithacajosh4155 lol this would never be legal in europe

Понятно кому понадобилась эта территория, судя по тому большому красному дому!

Don't know about your state code but in mine you would still have to have all the precautions and monitoring, but you have to still remove all the asbestos tiles i see on the exterior by hand without breaking and dubbed bag and carted separate and not just wet down and commingled. Very sad the some work. Just saying!

@joshuaadams7438

4 жыл бұрын

Hi. Thanks for commenting. There were EPA monitors there the whole time- people as well as machines to test the air for any friable asbestos. It’s true that I would have had to remove all the tiles if the structure had not been condemned. But since it was condemned, and uninhabitable, it’s legal to tear it down in an asbestos friendly way and bring all of the debris to an asbestos safe landfill.

Nice drive motors bro

I love that house next door

@ithacajosh4155

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. We replaced the torn-down house with a free-standing two-car garage and apartment above, in the original style.

This video was making me seasick. You need to use a tripod. Looked like you were swatting mosquitoes while filming.

@pseltoro4

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. Maybe the camera guy has some kind of desease.

tripod was a bit shakee.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. No tripod. I hand held the whole thing.

we can see why called 'Cliff Street"

@zamzammrfixit3113

5 жыл бұрын

hi , i like your SOH .. you are sweet .. love you :)

The reality of this demolition site is nobody was home when the demolition took place. They wouldn’t demolish an occupied house. Most likely took a few days to build 509 Cliff St. but under a day to destroy it.

nice solar panels 👍

I was sleeping in this house when they did this... I woke up in the back of a dump truck... WTF? Give a guy a heads up the next time!

@ransomprigg1047

5 жыл бұрын

I saw that, how irresponsible of them.

@rhythmblackheart917

5 жыл бұрын

That thing would have killes you.

@Coaltrain87.

5 жыл бұрын

Wait you were there also? Damn dude we were roommates and didn't even know

@billyboy3031

5 жыл бұрын

You left your soup cooking on the stove when you fell asleep! Gotta be more careful....coulda burnt the house down!!

@waldosmith1311

5 жыл бұрын

What where you Smoking ?

That excavator will break the side walk

@joshuaadams7438

4 жыл бұрын

james dickson The operator said the same thing. But magically, it did not break the sidewalk. When I talked to the city, they said it was because they do 6 inch thick sidewalks on the main streets, rather than four-inch thick.

Place looked like a firetrap to me! I would say they did this once or twice before

Ali jaz uma casa .

Here's a more recent view of the property: www.google.com/maps/@42.4465915,-76.5163312,3a,75y,62.24h,82.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbTAxwQjjEcbDdr1y2GIbKg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I can't believe the house had nothing of value. The windows looked good.

@ithacajosh4155

4 жыл бұрын

Gary Johnson Truly it had nothing. Short beams; no hardwood. Everything moldy and/or rotted. The house was built in 1935 on a shoestring (I know the family that built it) We offered the whole house to more than one reuse/recycle place, and there was nothing of any use. We did salvage one window, but the vapor barriers and the panes were mostly broken. It was sad.

Its a shame really. Might of been possible, to Reclaim some things. Might of had hardwood floors, The windows really couldof been saved and either donated or something

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Hi! Thanks for posting on my video. As extreme lovers of the environment who are very conscious of the need to reuse and recycle, we were very attentive to these issues when we had the home demolished. There were no hardwood floors (all plywood), and the construction was extremely shoddy, so even the sill plates, framing, and studs were damaged and of no use. All materials were of the lowest quality. Even with this being said, we had the local reuse/recycle operation come and take what they wanted for resale or reuse. There was some copper and other scrap metal, which were recycled. The windows were actually not reusable because all but one of the vapor barriers were compromised and many were physically broken. It was, I admit, sad, but this home really needed to go to a better place.

@ChakatNightspark

5 жыл бұрын

I mean i can understand that. now a days what i been seeing is homeowners sometimes will post ads on like craiglists or even in newspapper and will post something about house being torn down. and see if anyone would like to come in, look around and see what might be able to be reused for someone doing projects. Remember seeing one of these posts on craigslist that was a few days old. it had a time limit where house was going to be torn down and had not passed. So i went by see if i could grab some used windows. Got there. all that was left of the 2 story house was just all framing. could see thur whole house. asked person there, what happened. Said a company came in, Slavaged almost every in the house. even cleaned up afterwards, placing sheetrock and the insulation into garbage bags and even swept up. They even took the shingles from the roof. The house was just framing with plywood on roof. was pretty amazing. But just shows what posting on sites and or newspapers can do. Dont know what will happen if Not at least try first

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience. Unfortunately, there was very little to salvage here. The studs were very short (ceilings were barely 2 meters high), and everything was rotten and water damaged.

@travisleeds2910

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChakatNightspark that is the differance from demo to deconstruct, we deconstruct when we can, we will even save the sheeting from the roofs, someone outthere always need something in the way of materials, the only problem is money, deconstruct costs about the same on a structure like this but it slows the process and the deconstruction also need larger places for the materials to be stored and sold, that is why the bids for a quick demo are so much cheaper, the owners also normally dont like the extra time spent, they look at it as time is money, and it is, however a home like this can be deconstructed with a good crew without the expense of heavy equipment in about a 3 week time schedual versus what an hour maybe 2 hours with the excavator, that 3 weeks of property down time, after doing several properties that way the added time gets pricey, I am in Arizona, all this is based on local experiances, working with people that flip properties etc.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Travis--that's very interesting. We contacted two deconstruction businesses (had no problem with a longer time frame), and both of them said they wouldn't touch the house, because of the condition and quality of the materials used (built in 1934). Also, the roof shingles, the newest part of the house, were 20 years old and unusable.

Neighbors:This old house has to go Caterpillar::say less House:🖕 asshole hope yo property tax go up 10%

Not a single part was undamaged.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Except the very few things we were able to salvage...

What’s up with water.

@ithacajosh4155

4 жыл бұрын

Virginia Hoke - Wiley It’s required for keeping any asbestos from becoming friable, according to EPA standards for demolition of a building containing asbestos.

@virginiahoke7784

4 жыл бұрын

Oh ok thanks

A very good backhoe operator.

Good fast job

das sieht aus wie aus Pappe...lol kein wunder das die Häuser bei jedem Sturm davonfliegen...

Even if it was condemned you could have reclaim some of the building materials, windows et cetera. What a waste

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. Actually, I must correct you. As extreme lovers of the environment who are very conscious of the need to reuse and recycle, we were very attentive to these issues when we had the home demolished. There were no hardwood floors (all plywood), and the construction was extremely shoddy (ceilings were only about two meters), so even the sill plates, framing, and studs were damaged and of no use. All materials were of the lowest quality. Even with this being said, we had the local reuse/recycle operation come and take what they wanted for resale or reuse. There was some copper and other scrap metal, which were recycled. The windows were actually not reusable because all but one of the vapor barriers were compromised and many were physically broken. It was, I admit, sad, but this home really needed to go to a better place.

The guy holding the hose must get tired.

Oh shit!! Right address wrong street!!

Nice

Can't you keep that friggin camera steady?

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

So sorry. I didn’t really expect anyone to watch this video. It was only for my own posterity. If I had to do it over again, I would grab the tripod.

@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

4 жыл бұрын

Shut up you stupid idiot

Wrong house

breaking news !!! breaking news !! its the wrong house that they demolished , it was supposed to be the one on the other side .. OMG !!!!

Too jittery and to much panning in and out. Can't watch.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. So sorry, and I'm not surprised! It was my first time ever holding a video camera, and it was rainy and COLD!!

@billyproctor9714

5 жыл бұрын

We all goto learn sometime, good luck. Billy in Canada. PS It's -22 here today

@Cheshyre.

5 жыл бұрын

Zoom In, zoom IN! LoL!

@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

4 жыл бұрын

Go whine about something else.

20:58 when kids complain that there's not enough to support them and mother always said we have bread on the table and a roof over our.........................8 seconds later........ BOOM ROOF GONE. oh shit we gon be livin on da streets.

Why do they spray water on the house

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Gary Holt They do that to keep any asbestos from turning to dust and getting into the air.

@zamzammrfixit3113

5 жыл бұрын

to hose it down

If this happend in Norway then you will get the gouverment after you and a BIG ticket, many t tousen $

@travisleeds2910

5 жыл бұрын

I am told that in Norway 80 percent of the house has to be recycled and the new structure has to be built using 60 percent recycled materials, is there any truth to that? If so great, I think the rest of the world should take their lead.

Looks like Asbestos siding.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, they were asbestos. If you read the comments you can see how it was handled.

@ramdodgetruck

5 жыл бұрын

@@ithacajosh4155 Here in Mass. you can't remove it that way. Must be done by hand and placed in plastic bags. No dust is to be spread in the air.

please put the camera on a tripod next time.

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. Honestly, since I only recorded this for myself for posterity, and not for anyone to see, I was not even slightly careful about the video quality. I never expected anyone to watch this video.

@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

4 жыл бұрын

Please control yourself.

Cute dog.

HEY, THAT'S THE WRONG HOUSE! Take the red one, leave the white one alone! OOOPS!

The never satiated gaping maw of the ravenous house eater...sounds like smashing a bag of chips....

a nice touch at the end depicting the aftermath, so peaceful and quiet with the dog, but why was that particular house demolished??

@ithacajosh4155

6 жыл бұрын

The house was uninhabitable and, therefore, condemned. So we demolished it.

@robertpreskop4425

5 жыл бұрын

That particular house had no architectural significance, it was ordinary and plain jane. So its demolition is no loss to that neighborhood. The cleared parcel with the beautiful, lovable dog looking down the hill is a much more appealing site.

Now you have a much better view eh!

this is the honest truth-------> if i won one of those gazillion dollar lotteries i would buy me one of these to play with...hell i would tear your house down no charge just to get my cookies : )

@davidnull5590

5 жыл бұрын

When that same guy was tearing down a small commercial building in a nearby town I ask him if I could spend the day operating the excavator, Nope, pleading didn't help, his employees told me he is the only operator, they aren't allowed to touch the machine, he bought the excavator and he's the only one at the controls. I was disappointed.

@daveywaves5325

5 жыл бұрын

Head to Detroit then.

@robertpreskop4425

5 жыл бұрын

@@daveywaves5325 and than Flint since that city is loaded with decrepit, abandoned houses.

Why would you buy a house, just to destroy it? That makes no sense.

@joshuaadams7438

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. There were a lot of reasons. I’ll list a few: The home was dangerously close to ours; its lack of structural integrity threatened ours. The home was condemned and not up to local safety and structural codes; to bring it up to code would’ve been much more expensive than tearing the house down. The home had 6‘6“ ceilings throughout and was very badly designed. The home was an eyesore and we wanted to improve the neighborhood. There were rats and other vermin in the house, and it was a health hazard. The smell that emanated from the home was truly repulsive. The home was a fire hazard. I could go on and on. Why would a person make a negative and judgmental comment on the actions of a perfect stranger, when she knows absolutely nothing about the situation? That makes no sense.

House looks rite for asbestos shingles.

Asbestos siding I would not be anywhere near that place while is being destroyed! 😳 Not saying they did anything wrong but why wouldn't you have a respirator or at least a dust mask! How stupid!

WTF, last time I hire this company, i said demo the bathroom, damn son

Dogs are wondering what append here !!!!!!!

That's all they do in central New York , Tear down old houses and run the economy into the ground . The Democrats urban renewal

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Kerry Pope Hi. Thanks for commenting on my video. Unfortunately, this house had to go-it was poison and unsafe-could not be legally inhabited or restored. Have you been to Ithaca? The general trend here for the past hundred years has been to restore rather than demolish. While your comment is true in a lot of struggling towns and cities in Central NY, it’s really not the case here. Have a lovely day.

@kerrypope767

5 жыл бұрын

I am from Auburn , I played hockey as a youth in Ithaca . My cousin DJ at a couple of bars in Ithaca . I am happy to see you are doing well in central NY , They have driven lots of industry out of central NY

@ithacajosh4155

5 жыл бұрын

Kerry Pope Cartainly true.

@robertpreskop4425

5 жыл бұрын

@@kerrypope767 look at Syracuse and Binghamton, both those cities are struggling due to loss of industry.

@kerrypope767

5 жыл бұрын

@@robertpreskop4425 That's why I left N.Y IN 1984 .... I have visited a few times