The Jupiter has a fantastic personality!

@ryanhau1073

Жыл бұрын

Still needs an update

@dread-cthulu

Жыл бұрын

If by 'personality' you mean it's ugly AF? ...then yes, it has loads of 'personality'! 😂

Jupiter was devalued, like all carriers, by flight deck cruisers. Imho every carrier needs a permanent +100% damage boost passive for pets in its mastery.

**puts my favorite carrier in the thumbnail for worst ships** Pain. Suffering. Agony, even. I agree, but I still love her.

@s.31.l50

Жыл бұрын

Jupiter is so sad. A flight deck cruiser like Donnie basically does everything better.

@vorgonrynkodan1569

Жыл бұрын

@@s.31.l50 Apart from pet DPS and pet builds which is what Carriers tend to be all about. For pet builds the Jupiter outperforms the Donnie and all Flight decks.

@PDYork

Жыл бұрын

At least you accept it for what it is and don't irrationally argue your stance simply because you like it. It's okay to like things other's don't. Doesn't mean you are wrong or that they are right. In the end, ships come down to personal preference for whatever reasons YOU decide.

I have to say that I have the Nobel (thank you Cryptic; they donated it to my charitable efforts streaming for the chronically ill/disabled, given its hospital ship theme), and I've been surprised at how much I enjoy using it and how effective it can be. It's really nimble, surprisingly resilient, and does just fine for me with common consoles and the Discovery duo weapons plus advanced phasers. Using its unique saucer separation whenever possible, I can hold busy lanes in Swarm alone, take on the Borg TFOs, etcetera. It does better for me than some more hyped ships. Has a fleet version as well if that's important to you. So, I can't really agree there. All others, for me, are reasonable arguments. However, I don't really think any ship is totally awful. They don't all have to be 5/3 with consoles and traits pushing damage to even more absurd levels to be good ships. As is, fleets of Borg Cubes evaporate in half a second. I remember when just one of those was at least kind of a challenge. You can choose any ship for fun and love of its theme and still do great in it. That's what counts at the end of the day.

@ps3650

Жыл бұрын

A few thoughts on the Nobel: 1. The fleet version lets you stick up to 7 Science consoles on a single ship - I'm not sure any other ship can do that right now. The EPG potential for some builds is huge. 2. It gets the bonus to subsystem power that other MW ships get which is also a nice bonus, especially for builds that want to max out AUX power. 3. They really should make the "gravitic induction platform" count as a "hazard" for science abilities, though. IE - spore infused anomalies, tear open the gates, "by the book", etc... (The same goes for "subspace boom", since Pilot skills are so utterly underwhelming)

Picturing those hanger pets sliding off to nowhere had me crackin' up! 🤣

ok so I'm gonna disagree on two of these picks. The first is minor disagreement, the second a bit major. The Resolute's engineering boff seating is bad, but it's not *unworkable*. It can be used to create a potent torpboat, which you already acknowledged, but the extra engineering boff seating can be good for tanking, and there are offensive engineering boff abilities too with DoT ticks that can help increase aggro. The console is nice as well, actually glad you mentioned it and gave it a point in its favour. The trait is meh, I use it on a radboat build but I wish it could get a boost. I wish all underpowered traits would tbh. As for what's a worse ship than this, I'd say the Andromeda - virtually identical seating, Andromeda's slightly better in that the ensign is universal, and also virtually identical stats, but with the Resolute having better turn rate, a better console, including a better console *set*, slightly better/more useful trait (I said the trait is meh but I can still use it on a radboat build; I don't see any scenario where the Andromeda's trait is useful *at all*), and this is a very slight advantage, but their Fleet versions are separated by the Fleet Excelsior needing Tier III shipyard and the Fleet Galaxy needing Tier IV. Also, the Fleet Excelsior gets 4 tactical consoles while the Fleet Galaxy only gets 3. So again, it's just better. All in all I'd put the Resolute slightly ahead of the Andromeda accordingly, and nominate the Andromeda to take its place as a worse C-store purchase. But the major disagreement I have is with the Nobel being on this list. I don't mean in a hostile way tho, I just think we're approaching ship building from different perspectives. The console and trait I just want to mention they're not that bad, but you don't really dwell on those things anyway. I mainly take issue with Miracle Worker and Science being bad fits. Yeah, Destabilize Warp Core is the only *EPG* related MW boff ability but it's not the only MW ability that has science applications. There's Overwhelm Power Converters that's good for Drain builds, there's Mixed Armaments Synergy that's great for, well, mixed armaments builds, there's Narrow Sensor Bands which is great for energy weapon builds, which means this is actually really good for any kind of DEWsci build you want to try out, and there's even Exceed Rated Limits so that DEWsci build even gets a firing mode for it. And then every other MW ability is great for *support and healing builds*. -Reroute Shields to Hull Containment gives a potent hull cap and DR boost and hull regen boost party wide -Align Shield Frequencies is slept on, it's a good AoE shield heal and resistance buff -Null Pointer Flood is also slept on, it's a good AoE confuse/placate ability, guaranteed for enemy mines and torpedoes -Torpedo: Nanite Repair Payload is a hilarious heal in the form of a torpedo -Deploy Gravitic Induction Platform is not as good as gravity well, but what it is good at is debuffing enemies that are caught in it for your team to DPS down. And also the trait and console are aimed towards support builds as well. I know you don't think very highly of shields and shield healing, but I would just like to point out that this trait is a significant buff TO shield healing, and most of the shield heals in the game are science abilities. It also includes a support mechanic where shield healing team mates gives them a shield pen buff. All in all I think MW Science ships are a novel concept that's slept on because people build ships for DPS and not for anything else, but I think support is a valid playstyle to explore in this game and underutilised and underappreciated. Now I know what you're going to say, 'nobody plays support builds, support isn't a necessary playstyle either' - well, maybe you weren't gonna say this but I've heard this rebuttal before on other subjects. First let me say that 'nobody plays support builds' is selection bias. If you're in DPS circles then every problem is going to look like a damage parser, much like how to a hammer every problem looks like a nail. But even then there are nanny builds that are aimed at helping other people hit DPS records. 'Support isn't a necessary playstyle' is more debatable I think. I would agree that I don't think the holy trinity is hard set by this game's mechanics or content, like it is in other MMOs. And I do think that the game has a DPS bias as well, so again, that's more of a valid criticism of what I've said. I just want to emphasise there's a lot of ways to build ships in this game, support is one of them and I think we should be pursuing these kinds of alternatives and off-meta playstyles because the meta itself has shifted for as long as I've been playing. Anyway if you've made it this far I thank you for hearing what I have to say. I hope I've at least given some idea as to why something like the Nobel is an interesting purchase even if not a meta one.

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

i'm sorry but I have way too much adhd to read all that

@stofsk

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 alright well tl;dr is I think the Resolute is better than the Andromeda so it shouldn't be on this list, and I think MW and science has some underrated utility and so the Nobel shouldn't be on this list either.

@MrTheblock24

Жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of the Nobel as well. For me it's not because I'm chasing DPS but rather just slamming as many daft science consoles and boff abilities and just having fun. I also think it's one of the few canon ships that STO has made look cooler. I give it 4/5 warp core breaches.

Great list man! Keep up the good work. Live Long & Prosper

I totally agree with you on the noble miracle worker. I think you have some great alternatives to it i would also add the Titan class to that list too. The fact it has so much versatility being able to switch to commander tactical seating or science commander seating also it has a lt commander command/science seat and can use cannons. Then finally it has the opening salvo console which is a really useful and effective console for a lot of builds, it basically fires several volleys of torpedoes that knocks out all targets subsystems in your ships forward arc for around 5 seconds and deals pretty decent kinetic damage and you can stack it with torpedo spread aswell. I use that console a lot on my yorktown oddy class in fact which is great for clearing out ships in TFO's and supporting an attack with friendly ships. Also using it with the Adamant class can be a incredibly lethal combination especially if you make use of the raider perk and use it on a foe's enemy or rear then go full guns blazing, you can do massive damage!

The Mirror Guardian was originally part of a charity sale for "Pop Hero Culture Coalition." I think the intent was to provide a Mirror version of what was then the relatively new Tier 6 level of ships without putting too much into making a brand new ship. For its use at the time, it was well worth the money to support a charity and grab an extra skin. For regular pricing, yes, it's underwhelming.

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

Was it originally a charity ship? I though it was one of the old WizKidz promos. Either way, not a well thought out ship. It should've had a fleet version, or been given stats equivalent to the fleet version. In it's current state it's only worth is in getting a mirror skin for the original Guardian Cruiser.

@CardGameNut

Жыл бұрын

The WizKids promo you're thinking of likely is one of the Sovereign variants. I think that specific variant is now in Mudd's Market under the "Ships" tab.

@Farlas816

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 I definitely got mine from the charity thing

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm probably thinking of the Vizier.

@adambrown6669

3 ай бұрын

​@@Stu1701 The T6 intel Sovereign thing was also part of some free giveaway thing at some point on PC... I don't remember exactly what, all I know is that I have one on PC and definitely did not pay for something that ugly.

As someone that is relatively new to STO, it is very hard to understand what makes a good starship and more importantly mixing traits, specializations, consoles. seating and abilities to choose. Experimenting and trying to find your style that works for you can be insanely costly. Sure the game is relatively simple in standard mode and you can do most anything, but unlike most MMOS there really is not endgame content that challenges, tells a story and it seems like everyone is chasing some DPS threshold in a certain "style". I appreciate the videos but I am still pretty lost on the math and ability combinations, why you would choose command over temporal vs intel, etc.

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, STO can be rather confusing if you're coming in new at this stage of the game. One of the nice things about the game is it allows enough flexibility pretty much whatever you want on any ship, but certain ships are going to do certain things better than others. I actually go over a lot of this in my previous video, which goes over the strengths and weaknesses of each ship specialization, it might help in figuring some of this out. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lneA0ZqIc7a4oNY.html

@DavidLee-vi8ds

Жыл бұрын

The players that stay with the game are the ones that really enjoy tinkering with their ships to make them fun and interesting to fly. After a while you get a ship that you really enjoy flying and it's not always the most powerful. If you don't get a ship that you enjoy you will lose interest in the game.

The Reliant Light Cruiser was an amazing Ship to use for level up A buddy of mine start playing the game about the same time this video came out and he bought the starter pack right out of the gate and his level up play through was a Breeze as a result. hes also a big fan of the Maranda ships.

Thank you! Your videos ae super helpful 🙂

Was going to defend the Reliant on the basis of the Space Barbie skin unlock for other Mirandas (it is a canon ship now and pretty to boot) but you can also get that skin unlocked via the Legendary Miranda so yeah...

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Literally any of the other T6 Mirandas are a better option than the Reliant.

nobel is the best support ship Ive flown and I highly recommend it if you wanna be healer/buffer for your team

I have the Reliant Cruiser, i think i got it free from an event or giveaway. Still free ship is free ship, and who like to collect things still even the smallest thing worth a lot :) Still awesome video Stu1701 as always.

@SharpshireEddy

Жыл бұрын

Btw my partner parent surprised me with 2 Star Trek Sweater for my birthday. At least i can show my favorite sci-fi on the street for everyone to see. :)

oof yeah I adore lock trajectory but putting it on a hangar pet is so weird

@Todkaninchen

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if it was added to compensate for issues with targeting cannons?

I run the fleet Jupiter and honestly I agree this thing NEEDED to have a secondary deflector, that being said its been a couple years since I last played what would you recommend for a die hard science carrier? 1 hanger is fine but secondary deflector is a must have.

I hate that you put Jupiter in here lol. It's the only C-Store ship I own and I love it! Love sending out my raiders pretending I'm in Battlestar lol

@johncptnrex

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, and you can kinda cheese some fights by just throwing fighters at it whilst sitting 15-19 km away.

Alright, anyone else wondering what the 13th anniversary bundle might hold ?

@tails0420ify

Жыл бұрын

Legendary Akira!

If you can equip Aux Cannons on the ship, can imagine some interesting builds for MW Sci Ships

Not me sat here with a Mirror Guardian and a Advanced Heavy Cruiser haha

I need your opinion on the husnock warship, maquis raider, q'ib intel battlecruiser and miradorn theta heavy raider

I'm a little surprised the Alita didn't make the cut for this video. Pilot seating as a strike-wing escort. I forget what else she has. I remember being proud of her -- she was my first C-store ship -- but it's been over a year since she's left Spacedock.

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

It almost did. Only the that kept it off what the Reliant. Both have pilot, but the Alita is at least a strike wing escort, the Reliant is just a light cruiser.

i can deff. agree about the Guardian cruiser. It is the one ship i regret buying. The reliant i also have, i do not hate this one, i kinda like it. Not my fav or anything though.

Oh you did not talk trash about my baby the Jupiter :p Nah seriously, I have a pretty decent FAW + SAD build on it that gets me comfortably through Advanced content :3 It's better than people give it credit for, but sadly it does suffer from "early T6" syndrome

I enjoy the Reliant thank you..... though I got it during the blackfriday special and from the starter box thing it comes in.. that made it less than the 20.00...

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

It's not a bad starter ship considering how cheap you can get it for, but there are much better ships, like the Bozeman.

@christophermills7693

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 true, but the Bozeman wasnt out at the time.....its also on the list of the two ships I'm gonna get from the yearly do this much stuff and get to t6 ship coupons or other stuff

I can think of worse ships than the Jupiter is all. I hear what you're saying though. Also... Bozeman is THE Miranda. Love that ship.

The point about the Jupiter's science seating actually makes me curious about how much the Jupiter Carrier would improve if Cryptic decided to go back and give it a secondary deflector. Hypothetically, would a single change like that make a significant difference in terms of its viability?

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

the problem is just giving all carriers secondary deflector is then they'd basically make normal science vessels less appealing. Why fly a science ship when you can fly a science ship with two hangar bays? The need to change carriers to have some sort of passive buff to pets (kinda like how raiders have raider flanking), which is where the whole identity of a carrier lies.

@toreadum8ass

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 True, though I wasn't quite thinking that EVERY carrier would gain a secondary deflector, more that it would be a gimmick that only the Jupiter would adopt. But yeah, something to buff hangar pets and such would be ideal.

I have the Reliant because they give away the fed starter pack every now and then. For a free T6 ship, it would probably be ok.

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

yeah, that's the other thing too, they give away those starter packs from time to time, so sometimes you don't even have to spend the 2000 zen for that. It's not a great ship, but it's certainly not bad for a free ship.

@Todkaninchen

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 The best thing about it is that it's good enough to get a feel for the game mechanics and then decide what you want to do more. Sort of like an "average" ship that's better than most of the free ships, but lets you go "Ooh!, I want to tank!" or "I want more science stuff!" And it's cheap.

@Tarv1

Жыл бұрын

@@Todkaninchen yeah think I picked it up when they had the bundle for I want to say around 1200 zen, also did pick up the Clarke on some sale and been enjoying that one

The reliant starter pack was free from a 3rd party last week, and if its free its for me

Thank you for the great sto vids 👍

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

You'd think it'd be easy to upgrade these mistakes, nobody's going to complain something they had bought got buffed.

Forgot the dishonerable mentions, I am thinking of nobel or equinox class for my science toon currently using trailblazer and I have my science as a temporal toon I’m trying to build a non universal console build for my science and engineering my main toon is tactical I need to do the same where I only use universal consoles on universal slots I’ve come to depend to much on universal consoles

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

I actually really like the Equinox. You'd think I'd hate because of how much I talk about how I don't like Pilot seating and how it does next to nothing for Science builds, but the Equinox proved to be a very interesting ship (largely because they also made it a Scout ship). Plus it's trait actually makes Pilot seating kinda useful, allowing you to stack crit chance and control expertise with pilot abilities.

@Todkaninchen

Жыл бұрын

Equinox is "peppy". The funnest part of Equinox is mobility. Getting to where you want to pop a torp spread or an anomaly, popping out of the way, letting it cook, and setting up your next run. I like them for the bigger maps where you can't just pull everything into one place. So you dance back and forth putting your anomalies and spreads where the enemy clumps up. Storming the Spire, for example... Or the Satellite defense TFO's.

I love my Jupiter

Hello. The most Useless Ship In the Z Store I have seen so far... maybe because it is more a Collectors Ship than really a Ship for using in game, is the NX Class Rebuild, you know from the Series Star Trek with Captain Archer. It is practically a Starter Ship like the ones you play in the Tutorial Levels and is outmatcht with any one you can get with your first Rank Promotion... or to be more precisely with the Contitution class for example. It also isn't upgradeable and in admirality it have same low values like your starter ship, which ever Starfleet start you choose. Sure, with the pack you also get the uniforms and T'Pal as Officer, but Is it really worth the points if your not a Ship collector with an excess place in your drydock?

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

You're referring to the tier 1 version of the NX class, I was only covering tier 6 ships in this video. Ships that are under tier 6 are all pretty much defunct since all tier 6 ships were made to scale with your level. That's why most of them were moved out of the Zen store and into the dilithium store. The only ships in the Zen store that are under tier 5 are those that are still in bundles. They're not going to change those.

Heart broken I love mu jupiter

Miss seeing you on Twitch, Stu!

Can the advanced cruiser console be used on the new excelsior II

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

i haven't checked, but I would assume no

@anthonypatten5968

Жыл бұрын

If the description states "can be used on any ship", then it should. I have heard that the previous iterations of the Excelsior don't kitbash with the Ex II though. A disappointment for space Barbie.

@britishgamerni

Жыл бұрын

@@anthonypatten5968 yeah I don’t get it because they’re all excelsiors

@Tarv1

Жыл бұрын

@@britishgamerni makes me a little concerned if get the Obena

Would you recommend the new Excelsior in the Infinity pack as an alternative to the resolute and the Legendary Excelsior? Primarily for beam builds.

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

I didn't want to include lockbox/promo ships in the recommendations because they only unlock on one character and are very expensive. And as for the Excelsior II, you can't kitbash it with the original Excelsior. But if you can afford if or if you got lucky with the lock boxes, then yeah, it would work too.

@TheJazNetwork

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 thank you for replying. I don't have any of the Excelsior barring the fleet Resolute, I got years back.

@bigbrain4117

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 Man, hope the Obena class is kit bashable with the Excelsior parts and isn't locked behind gambling

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't bet on it

@bigbrain4117

Жыл бұрын

@@Stu1701 yeah.. I know, its sad so many of these really awesome fed ships are locked behind loopholes. But one can hope.

I miss playing sto unfortunately I don't have a PC at moment

@Qaianna

Жыл бұрын

PS4 or XBox 1 (or later), you're good to go. You won't get any of the things you had on your original account, but it's playable.

Not sure why the Miranda with literally the most tac slots of all Mirandas when upgraded is awarded worst miranda in game. Thats a fun perpective to try and sell video views, though.

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

The Fleet Reliant gets one additional Tactical console slot, but the others have far better seating. One Vulnerability Locator is only going to do so much.

The Jupiter is a great carrier one of the top ones. Apart from the carriers which take the king of pets Droneships, I cannot think of any other carrier that can outperform the Jupiter for pet builds. Carriers do not underperform anymore unless the build and/or piloting is poor. Granted some of the traits are expensive but with the right build and right piloting Carriers no longer perform badly.

@kosmosstormstrike3438

Жыл бұрын

The jem hadar vanguard carrier I think is better as it can spawn a mobile fleet in but idk, I went away from carriers and swapped to dreadnought cruisers as I find em more fun

@Qaianna

Жыл бұрын

My science KDF toon flies science carriers exclusively. I think 'underperform' means 'compared to similar on ship style X'. The usual metric is 'does hangar bay two compare to a secondary deflector?', and a lot of analyses say 'no'. Then again, it's fun to imagine my KDF captain as a matronly sort who stays back and lets her 'children' go off to 'play'. And her XO being punished by being assigned to a carrier instead of a BOP or battlecruiser..

@SkydreamPony

Жыл бұрын

I would argue a Gok'Tad carrier + Lost Souls + hangar bay cooldown FDO doffs + Scramble Fighters is far more effective than the Jupiter. I run both and yeah, I get better performance from my Gok'Tad

............i have all of those except the mirror guardian

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

Same lol

@Todkaninchen

Жыл бұрын

I think the first 3 T6 ships I bought/got were the Reliant, the Excelsior, and the Jupiter. I have no excuse for the Mirror Guardian. I don't remember why I thought it was a good idea. The other one... I got the whole pack and I really liked the other two. And it was on sale. And I figured the T6 coupon and ship upgrade tokens and such were worth the cost of the 3rd ship. Although I don't think I've ever claimed a Nobel.

the guardian I ruf also / I run ther resolute skin on my leg. ex.

The Reliant looks nice… that’s it.

Solid shit list. Well articulated and you make your points based on logic. If I HAD to choose one of these, I would go with the Resolute. I ended up skipping to the fleet version cause I got it for "free" and just opted to have the command seat be full command. It can take a beating, but yeah struggles to dish it out. I went with the fleet version after being overall unimpressed with the 11th anniversary bundle. It's not terrible and at least has the benefit of being an Excelsior. Otherwise, a solid list all around. I half expected the Alita to be up here unless there's a buildout for that I should consider.

Watched this too late 😂

Personally, I'd love to see them NUKE the concept of "Carrier" ships in Star Trek Online. Carriers have NEVER been a thing in Star Trek. I believe this was an addition to the game, simply to be able to launch huge amounts of shuttles/fighters (which it did, before they nuked the hangar bays to what they are today). All ships in Star Trek have shuttlebays, so it stands to reason that all STO ships should have at least "1 hangarbay". If a ship has 2 or more physically modelled shuttlebays (like the Sovereign class), they would have more hangarbays.

The galaxy x is the best

@Stu1701

Жыл бұрын

it's okay

@FeeriiEekii

Жыл бұрын

The Legendary Gal X, yes

Advise taken. Will avoid purchasing. ;)

No, you're right, the Jupiter is terrible. And it looks ridiculous.

The Jupiter Carrier is the ugliest Starfleet ship in the game too … kills the whole space barbie thing if you're ugly as a pig.