There's a huge lack of L&YR and LNWR engines preserved, even though those were some of the biggest companies ever.

@johnclayden1670

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Do you think there might be a reason for that?

@neilsonthegreat

Жыл бұрын

Yes because most of those locomotive's were considered non-standard locomotives

@Eric_Hunt194

Жыл бұрын

Just an accidentally of history unfortunately. GWR and BR(W) locos got lucky because so many of them were sent to Dai Woodham's in Barry.

@johnclayden1670

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@@Eric_Hunt194 Nah, none, or nearly none, survived even into nationalisation, let alone dieselisation. Neilson nailed it really.

@knowlesy3915

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Mainly because both companies went extinct in 1923, absorbed into the LMS. Preservation wasn't as a big a deal then. The LNWR were vicious enemies of the Midland part of that new company so may not have helped. Apparently there were a few hidden in Crewe shed, including a George the V but sir William Stanier had them scrapped.

Damn, the R-1's were so beautiful. Also, would love to see a video on #18.

I'd say Henry from the Railway Series is also an example of a bad engine made successful.

@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis

Жыл бұрын

In part, by being rebuilt as a Stanier ‘Black 5’!

Video Idea!! Top 5 Worst Rebuilt Locomotives

@tidepoolclipper8657

Жыл бұрын

Oh gods! LNER Thompson Class A2/2 quickly comes to mind. Even if you want to excuse his other rebuilds, A2/2 is easily his worst redesign.

@Thelefevrefever

Жыл бұрын

@@tidepoolclipper8657 That is where my mind was going as well!

I'm not sure if you know this, but one of the LMS Jubilee Class engines numbered 45637 "Windward Islands" was scrapped after her accident at Harrow and Wealdstone in 1952. She was the third, I would say, to be scrapped.

so uh, pronunciation note: the 'Keigh' part of Keighley is said like Keith, so Keith-ley, and the 'Tyse' part of Tyseley is said like ties, so Ties-ley.

ATLANTIC COAST LINE R-1s!! YEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! Thank you!!! Finally someone will talk about them. The R-1s where some of the biggest steam locomotives that ran in Florida

Finally, someone talked about the R1’s, one of my favorite locomotives. I absolutely adore the r1’s.

Quick thing to note about the LMS Jubilees, the picture you included with the smoke deflectors are actually members of the Rebuilt Jubilee class, and Sierra Leone is not the name of a preserved Jubilee, rather classmate 45699 Galatea is masquerading as them

@mcollier4566

Жыл бұрын

The loco with the smoke deflectors looks like it could be a rebuilt Patriot to me? Similar to but not the same as Bahamas (double chimnied Jubilee)

You should do the Frisco 2-10-2 Spot Series for this list, were somewhat deemed failures, eventually rebuilt to 4-8-2s and ended up being absolute chad-like engines until they got scraped.

I'd like to see the Highland Railway (Caledonian) River Class and the BR Britannia's talked about in a second part. The former were deemed overweight for the HR but were actually fine and ended up working there after falling into the hands of the LMS after the grouping. The latter were like the Jubilees with several issues after they were built but modified to become BR's best steam locos.

@freddyfax

Жыл бұрын

or Duke of Gloucester

@robertwilloughby8050

Жыл бұрын

The Rivers were fine engines, if a little stymied by a lowish boiler pressure (160psi at a time when 225psi was being experimented with). If the Rivers had, for example, a 200psi boiler, we could have been talking about a sort of Ur-Black 5! (yes, they were potentially that good). The weight issue was a bit of a red herring, as the balancing was excellent.

Jubilees are my favorite class of a secondary express engine I didn’t know they were unsuccessful originally until you made this video.

These trains became really useful engines!

one class I was expecting and would be good if you do a follow up video is BR Duke of Gloucester as it was a failure in service but was fixed in preservation, an interesting and unique story in it's own right

@Xalerdane

Жыл бұрын

_Duke of Gloucester_ already showed up on one of the _5 Worst Engines Ever_ lists.

Duke of Gloucester would be a wonderful addition for this list.

@PiersDJackson

Жыл бұрын

Does this fall into the category of "orphaned by bureaucracy"... like the Victorian Railways H class (H220) was the sole member of its class and due to lack of funds it was never joined by the intended class of ten.

How about trains that succeeded but later failed

@tidepoolclipper8657

Жыл бұрын

Older vehicle designs fall out over time. It would have to be a notable enough situation. Potential examples would be- Locomotives: Milwaukee Road Class EP-2, P2 Mikado rebuilt as A2/2, Lac-Megantic 5017, and Kaprun funicular. Airplanes: 747-800i (passenger variant; not the freighter version), Concorde, Bell X-1D, Mitsubishi A6M Zero (went from being terror to being cat food for Hellcats), and Fokker F-10. Ships: HMS Hood, ocean liners in the 21st century (except Queen Mary 2), Moskva, and Japanese WW2 aircraft carriers. Tanks: Panzer 1 (early success, really outdated later on) and heavy tanks. Cars: Volkswagen Beetle

@hussarzwei6223

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@@tidepoolclipper8657 Successful trains with terrible rebuilds.

@tidepoolclipper8657

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@@hussarzwei6223 P2 Mikados becoming A2/2 is still a fitting example. Not to mention the repair work on Milwaukee Road Class EP-2 were not the best; especially the ones repaired by Milwaukee shops. As for Kaprun funicular, there were design changes that would lead to its literal demise and would never reopen since then.

@fanofeverything30465

Жыл бұрын

@@tidepoolclipper8657 What about buses 🚌

3 British designs? This better be good.

@dragonheatgaming5005

Жыл бұрын

During the steam days we knew how to build good locos

This is an interesting top 5 and im here for it

Maybe you should do 5 more of the best trains Part 7! And hopefully you should add the Nickel Plate Road S Class 2-8-4 Berkshires because 2 of them #765 and #759 have been an excursion service in the preservation era!

@tylergreen4843

Жыл бұрын

Hi amity, I subscribed to you 👍

@berkshire4607

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the Pere Marquette 2-8-4 Berkshires like #1225

@tylergreen4843

Жыл бұрын

@@berkshire4607 how about the pere marquette's mikados

@berkshire4607

Жыл бұрын

@@tylergreen4843 never heard of them, but they do have a interesting name. I'll look them up

@tylergreen4843

Жыл бұрын

@@berkshire4607 also nickel plate road 587 looks similar to a pere marquette mk 1 mikado

A topic that u could talk about are maybe Frankenstein locomotives (locomotives build from parts form serveral diffrent locomotives). Best example in my opinion is the german DR BR 18 201 with a top speed of 180kp/h.

For future reference, "Keighley" is pronounced "Keith-ley". HTH. Also, if you do a part two maybe consider the (trigger warning) British Rail Class 458 EMUs. These were built by Alstom and as new units they were riddled with reliability issues and looked kind of ugly. A rebuild was carried out using additional vehicles from the Class 460s which were of a similar design (both were part of the "Juniper" series) but had fallen out of use on the Gatwick Express. This extended them from 4 to 5-car, and rebuilt the front ends to have a more conventional connecting gangway for working in multiple. They were far more reliable after this, though not without a few ongoing niggles. The story doesn't end there though, as they are currently planned to be reduced back to 4-car so they can be redeployed as 12-car formations on Portsmouth expresses. Given the current issues on the South Western Railway however, there is some speculation that this plan won't end up happening.

@peddersmeister

Жыл бұрын

The British class 323 when introduced on the Cross City line in the West Midlands (Lichfield-Birmingham-Redditch) had a fraught start in life, I can't remember what as I was only a kid ink the mid 90s 😁 but I remember me dad saying there were delays in full time introduction, but they've been running nearly 30 years up and down the Midlands commuter belt, one of the busiest (in the UK, outside London I think)

@fanofeverything30465

Жыл бұрын

What does HTH stand for

@peddersmeister

Жыл бұрын

@@fanofeverything30465 Hope This Helps

@fanofeverything30465

Жыл бұрын

@@peddersmeister Thank you 😊

Seriously though, when it comes to those Atlantic Coast Northerns, *what is up with those convex pilot wheels?*

@tylergreen4843

Жыл бұрын

Honestly Jim, I'm not sure as well. Also how are you, haven't chat in a while

I would love to see you do a video on the history of #18, @History in the Dark :)

Why is the NBR Reid H class Atlantic on there

@dimwit47_

Жыл бұрын

We're gonna find out soon

Notice that all of the locomotives in this list are of the steam type?

Keighley is pronounced Keithley. It's a method of identifying foreigners.

TELL ME WHY DID YOU HAVE TO TAKE THINGS TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

there are locomotives that look similar to the ACR r1s,which are the SP&S E1s, which were a success, only 1 SP&S e1 still lives which is SP&S 700, which is my 6th favorite locomotive.

Go ahead, make a video about Number 18. I find individual stories better that a tale of a class as a whole. An example would be the story of Casey Jones' engine. Yes, there were others of that class, but that unique story is what makes her fascinating, to me at least.

4-6-2 is the best wheel arrangement of all time try and change my mind

@thelittletug9321

Жыл бұрын

Nyc 4-8-4 Niagaras or even their 4-6-4 Hudson both were more powerful and had the same speed capabilities they just never went for a record but it's said by many nyc crews that they both could push 120 on a good run don't get me wrong pacifics are good but they are old compared to the modern steam engines that out classed them

@willsen8908

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@@thelittletug9321 they may be old, but they are georgeus and iconic

@thelittletug9321

Жыл бұрын

@@willsen8908 they are beautiful but I think that's there niche in all other respects they are outclassed in all other areas and sometimes even in looks

@willsen8908

Жыл бұрын

@@thelittletug9321 the reason i like Pacific is probably because of the DSB e class which is my favorite locomotive, because of it i have grown a liking to Pacific 's. My favorite more modern steam locomotive is probably the SAR 520 4-8-4

@thelittletug9321

Жыл бұрын

@@willsen8908 I will concede that the DSB e class and not a pacific but also the p class are both beautiful locomotives so I will agree that while out dated are still beautiful pieces of history

Interestingly, #18 isn't the _only_ famous SC-class locomotive. Fun fact, Western Maryland #734(known affectionately as "Mountain Thunder") is actually an ex-LS&I Consolidation(ex-#34) that was modified by the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad to look like a Western Maryland H-4 Consolidation, given all examples of the latter were unfortunately scrapped. Ol' 734 gave us an excellent example of what they might've been like, and put on a great show. However, over time, the railroads' trains got longer and heavier. 734 did her best to pull them, but unfortunately wore herself out in the process. Today, she's out of service, stored on a sidetrack until further notice while ex-C&O #1309 takes the spotlight. Hopefully, WMSR will go through with her rebuild. Only time will tell. . .

@kanechrist4213

Жыл бұрын

(7)34 is an SC-1, which is larger than the SC-4.

@Railman1225

Жыл бұрын

@@kanechrist4213 thank you for the correction, I've edited my comment accordingly

Hey you should do a top 5 video series of static display locomotives in the states that deserve to be brought back to life or better taken care of

@historyinthedark 2 things 1) appreciate being from the USA you wouldn't know, but Tyseley is pronounced 'Ties-ley', just wanted to clarify 2) the Jubilee Sierra Leone is in fact another Jubilee called Galatea masquerading as her long scrapped class mate. Some locomotive owners do that in the UK for various reasons

You missed your chance to have the Duke of Gloucester on this list. In running service she was considered a major failure ( mainly due to being built not to her plans) in preservation she out preformed pretty much everything that replaced her. I think her record over Shap Hill is quite something On the turn tables... Wonder if it was done on purpose. It'd be one way for the locomotive department to force the hand of the infrastructure department if the infrastructure department refused tocater for them...xD

@DAVEGADGETBOY

Жыл бұрын

I was really hoping he would’ve mentioned the BR standard class 8 no 71000

You should talk about skookum, deep river logging No. 7, at some point

How about 5 Trains that have been used for excursions but were sadly scrapped I’ve got one which is Grand Trunk Western #5629!

@tidepoolclipper8657

Жыл бұрын

There are many examples of that. One I am going with as an example is Southern Pacific No 4274 class AC-11 4-8-8-2 Cab-Forward.

@tylergreen4843

Жыл бұрын

How about cb&q 6315? It was a 2-10-4 Colorado that while pulling an excursion with 5632, it broke its rods. They were pushing the 6315 to its very limits. Eventually, 6315 and all the Colorados on the CB&Q were all scrapped. (On the CB&Q, they called their 2-10-4s "Colorados" but most railroads called their 2-10-4s texas types) *Also 5629 is extremely overrated* I will always prefer other light pacifics like the P5s from the Atlantic Coast Line, the pacifics from the Mobile & Ohio and the K5s from the Louisville & Nashville

A video about the 18 would be cool

Generally, a steam locomotive with no trailing wheels and/or front pilot wheels is designated with the word "oh" instead of zero; so, "oh-six-oh", not "oh-six-zero" or "zero-six-zero"; "two-eight-oh", not "two-eight-zero". Yes, technically incorrect, if you like to use the word "zero" since it's a number, but as far as I've heard, it's always been "oh", not "zero". . .

12:59 I hope you make a video of Lake Superior & Ishpeming #18

Wow, saw the title and fully expected that British Railways Standard Class 8 would feature somewhere! But still this series goes to show that before British Railways got into building true garbage that they really weren't inspired to fix - the preceding private railway companies would fix the problems and get a return on their design investments!

@DAVEGADGETBOY

Жыл бұрын

Was a bit disappointed to see that he didn’t mention that locomotive myself, seen many videos of no 71000 flying down the track but would love to see it running in person.

Me to

When it comes to trains, potential examples would include Disneyland Monorail MK7, LNER Class W1, Alco RS-3 (some were upgraded to RS-3m), New Hope Consolidation #40 (it turned out the repairs made by L&C early in its life were sloppy), SR Merchant Navy, GWR 7800 Manor, British Rail Class 47 (in this case, specifically the rebuilds of troubled BR class 48 with 12LVA24 engine), and British Rail Class 44.

The last loco looks like the steam engine from "Back to the future"

Add to the Baldwin engines,that initially were bad,then turned good!! The New Haven I-5's,4-6-4's were from the same era,and also had balancing problems! The application of cross counterbalance was the answer! The engines,at speed,could literally bend rails,and they were designed for 100 MPH service! So you can add another type to your list!! As an aside,early,4-8-4's,4-6-4's,had that trouble with counterbalance,as most trains were operated at 60-70 MPH,on average,but when the high speed trains operating at 90 plus,the whole prior system of balancing was put to stress proportions! The equivalent in aircraft was the speed of sound,and the use of straight versus sweptback wings!! Basic set of re-engineering with a completely new set of data points!! Thanks for a really engrossing video,it does make you pause and think!! Thanks!!

I could definitely see three reading t-1s being on a similar list

I would be interested in hearing more about the story of number 18.

Why not make a story of No.18? Sounds like an interesting story.

In case it comes up again: Keighly is really KEETH-ly. We all seem to get it wrong on the first try. 😁

The LNER had their own loco classification system based off of the GNR one so anything not GNR got reclassified and a few of the GNR locos did as well.

How could a locomotive be scrapped twice!?

This is our new cap'n crunch cereal! Oops! All Steamers!

I’m currently working on a documentary that comes with more detail about the SC-4’s original issues, so watch out. ;)

You should make a video on trains from other countries than Australia America and the UK

The 4th Jubilee preserved you mentioned is called Galatea. Sierra Leone is the engine she is masquerading as.

I feel bad for the NBR H Class for the fact that their parts were transferred to the airforce

One 4-8-4 never left service, it’s a class FEF UP 844

I’m writing a Thomas book about how evil BR scrapped most of those great steamers and replaced them with thousands of terrible diesels.

What about long lost siblings of preserved non-excursion models that didn't deserve to get scrapped? Like LNER A3 class No 2750 Papyrus.

Poor blastpipe design was not uncommon in the steam era. Another class that had the same issue as the Jubilees as being disappointing steamers until the blastpipe was redesigned then excellent afterwards was the GWR Manor class.

You forgot to mention that the Jubilees were 3-cylinder versions of the 4-cylinder Black Fives.

@eae2047

Жыл бұрын

They are w h a t?

@johnclayden1670

Жыл бұрын

Black 5's had two cylinders

@PiersDJackson

Жыл бұрын

From what I remember LMS (and it's precursors) never used three cylinders, with the exception of the Deeley/Johnson Compounds, a 2:1 ratio.

@johnclayden1670

Жыл бұрын

@@PiersDJackson The Jubilees were indeed 3-cylindered. Was not the Lickey banker 0-10-0 also of 3 cyliners?

@eae2047

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@@johnclayden1670 yeah, who the hell thinks they have four?

Aren't the R1s just an earlier iteration of the Frisco 4500s?

BR class 31 was a failure until they changed the engine and the 47s until they were derated

How about "Excellent engines with one little, niggly fault"? Examples? (Trigger warning) British Rail Class 33 (a truly wonderful design, but rushed out with electric train heating before there were enough coaches to take electric train heating(!), although it was very reliable, if something went wrong it would be electrical, and for some unknown reason the shed costs compared to other classes were astronomical. But they were perfect in every other way.) Midland Railway 2600 class 0-6-4T tank engines (Strong. Reliable. Reasonably Economical. And possibly the roughest riding beast in the history of the Railways of Britain. They tried them on suburban service - no dice. They tried them on heavy transfer freights - better, but still not quite right. One thing that they were rather good at, although rather by default, was that due to the Midland's "small engine" policy, if loadings were heavier than expected the 2600 made excellent pilot engines, especially if paired with the legendarily sure footed 1000 Class "Midland Compounds" and the equally stable 999 Class - which was basically a Compound without the compounding and slightly smaller wheels. They were liked, they just had this one flaw). The North Eastern Railway V and V/09 Class 4-4-2's. (An excellent class, fast, strong, reliable but not liked by the fireman, as they were rather heavy on coal. The V/09's had slightly different dimensions and were slightly less heavy on coal, and they weren't particularly bad by the standards of the time, but it was a niggly problem with an otherwise very good design indeed. An amusing story about the V Class is that when they first came out the Chief Mechanical Engineer, Wilson Worsdell, rushed them into service because his Chief Draughtsman, Walter Smith (a strong advocate of compounding) was on a fact finding tour of the USA, and Wilson knew that Smith wouldn't approve of a large, heavy 2-cylinder Atlantic, despite the need for such an engine type being quite pressing. Reportedly Smith was not happy in the slightest and Worsdell had what was described as a "difficult hour" by his secretary when Smith got to talk to him about it. Smith had the last laugh, all be it from beyond the grave though, as when Worsdell retired, he was succeeded by Vincent Raven, and Raven came up with the Z class Atlantics, which might not have been quite as powerful as the V's and V/09's, but were a lot more economical).

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Non-train examples I can think of are: Republic F-84 Thunderjet Hawk Model 75 (far more successful than its original American version; Curtiss P-36 Hawk) M16 (unreliable mess during Vietnam to proven mainstay; only might become obsolete due to M5) MK 14 Enhanced Battle Rifle (original version (M14) was unsuccessful. Rebuilt version (MK 14) is successful selective fire battle rifle) Boeing 737 (believe it or not, but the 737-100 was technically a flop), Spitfire (beloved these days for good reasons. However, the first version of it was mediocre; especially as it had issues with the engine suffocating when flying at certain angles; later versions provided a solution to that) R-7 rocket (failed ICBM to highly successful rocket family) Thor-Delta (precursor to Delta rocket family and far better than Thor-Able) Ford Crown Vic (always has been a good car, but was never super successful for the civilian market. Highly successful with police force)

You made the two more at North American steam and Diesel and lot less than a European and British and German crap so please do more at North American railroad of power unless of the European stuff and have a great day and by the way great videos

What happened to British rail. 😲

@ashleyjiscool

Жыл бұрын

Waaaa 😭

Salty the dock engine

Rolling line

keighley is pronounced keith-ly

You sound different

Lotta Brits.

Don't you fear God!?

@RRapidseawer

Жыл бұрын

very off topic

@RRapidseawer

Жыл бұрын

wdym?