You missed the falsehood that makes me crazy: If your engine quits in space, you don't start slowing down like your Chevy does when it runs out of gas. You'll maintain what ever speed you were going until you hit something or are captured by its gravity.

@chronosschiron

4 жыл бұрын

you do just not like you htink local gravity depends on what is around you

@hollowhoagie6441

4 жыл бұрын

Speaking of engines: why do ships in every science fiction universe keep using their thrusters in space continuously? And how do ships in space slow down without thrusters facing both ways?

@chronosschiron

4 жыл бұрын

@@hollowhoagie6441 because the bigger your mass more energy to move you and all things in universe exert gravity on all things this si also part of why you cant go past actual light speed because as you go faster the bigger your mass becomes until you cant have more mass to go faster or your fuel runs out

@chronosschiron

4 жыл бұрын

and not all ships do that you can se egames like avorion and elite dangerous hav eyou thrust then trust to another way but huge ships will require HUGE thrust and have less and less effciency the faster sublight they wish to go the effect is far less on smaller vessels

@andyjacobs7010

4 жыл бұрын

@@hollowhoagie6441 The Expanse covers this and is logically sound.

Most educational thing about space fights, for me, is NPC monolog in game Mass Effect 2 (i'll copy-paste it): "Gunnery Chief: This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth.That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-***** in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's First Law? Recruit: Sir! A object in motion stays in motion, sir! Gunnery Chief: No credit for partial answers, maggot! Recruit: Sir! Unless acted on by an outside force, sir! Gunnery Chief: Damn straight! I dare to assume you ignorant jackasses know that space is empty. Once you fire a husk of metal, it keeps going until it hits something. That can be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into deep space and hit somebody else in ten thousand years. If you pull the trigger on this, you're ruining someone's day somewhere and sometime. That is why you check your **** targets! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a **** firing solution! That is why, Serviceman Chung, we do not "eyeball it!" This is a weapon of mass destruction. You are not a cowboy shooting from the hip. Recruit: Sir, yes sir!"

@chaosreaver3597

4 жыл бұрын

That dialogue was hilarious (I'm a nerd, physics jokes crack me up), but a huge amount of thought was put into the science of those games. I'd use to boot up the Mass Effect games just to read through the Codex entries because of how well written they were (Sure there were some mistakes, like the Reapers being able the magnetically launch molten metal [addendum: I think the writers retconned that though] but overall it was pretty much on point). Then you compare that with Star Trek which is 50% plot, 5% real science and 45% science sounding word salad to justify plot, which is a little disappointing looking back (Still good in any event, the plot part stand up around 9 times out of 10). Then there's Star Wars and Warhammer 40K, that takes one look at the Beginner's Guide to Science and proceeds to light it on fire. It's why I'm so glad that The Expanse was commissioned, I have a cousin who finished his GCSE's last year and his teacher actually used clips from that show to help visualise some of the harder physics concepts to his class. Edit: Spelling

@eramires

4 жыл бұрын

You need to tell that to Star Citizen and it's ballistic guns xD hehehe

@DavidRichardson153

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Mass Effect 3 when you befriend Steve Cortez. He mentions enjoying turning off the audio emulators in his fighter and watching ships travel in silence. The fact that he said "emulators" means that everything we hear in space is simulated, fake. At best, they record the sounds made in atmosphere and use the fighter's computer (and the VI that likely in it due to the sheer volume of data) to detect everything going on around it, process it all into the atmospheric equivalents, and select the "appropriate" sounds for the pilot to hear. Upon realizing that, I wondered, "Why was the effort, tech, space, and resources spent - and possibly wasted - on this?" Especially when Cortez also said that fighter pilots would wear G-suits because they'd divert power from the inertial dampeners to other systems (from the Citadel DLC). Then I thought that it's probably for psychological purposes. You'd probably need some psychological comforts when flying a space fighter because unlike in atmosphere, you probably won't survive ejecting out into space (and this is hardly the only comparatively subtle difference between atmosphere and space battles).

@sherpajones

4 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@johnpatz8395

4 жыл бұрын

David Richardson i could see something like that being done to assist the pilot's situational awareness, as without external cues it would likely be very easy to be distracted by unimportant things or just the sheer vastness of space

"The idea of fixing lasers and railguns to the front of your ship that have to be lined up by the pilot..." *Laughs in Halo MAC*

@TheSiriusEnigma

3 жыл бұрын

Makes perfect sense if your enemy is so far away that twisting the ship is more accurate and faster.

@wilemelliott

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSiriusEnigma or the weapon is too large in relation to the ship to be properly turreted.

@luftwaffle3766

3 жыл бұрын

Amun-ra class frigate

@amistrophy

3 жыл бұрын

Most self propelled artillery, aircraft nose mounted guns, etc where the weapon is large in relation to it's mounting object perform just fine with nontraversing armaments

@Jester_The_Jynxster

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a cool video and all, but this point is kind of lost when you start taking in all the things he's saying about space combat. If you're going to be engaging targets at these massive distances, who cares if you need to turn your ship to face them? Having all these guns all over your ship would be useful at close range when there's ships flying around everywhere, but not nearly as useful at the kinds of distances we're talking about. He kind of contradicts some of his own points. And also they did not really just make airplane props bulletproof (I think this was tried but ultimately deemed stupid, because it is). They mechanically interlocked the guns with the timing of the propellor blades so that bullets would fire in the gaps between blade passes. There were also some designs that allowed the gun to fire through the center of the engine via a hollow crankshaft - but these didn't last long because of how much more complicated it was to design the engine to accommodate the guns. Much simpler to just add an extra gear and shaft to the existing timing components to get the bullets to go between prop blade passes.

I think it is also very strange that ships that are designed for space battles are also very suitable for battles within the atmosphere where all the circumstances are way different.

@lukekalisz1817

Жыл бұрын

I mean it’s probably a logistical thing. For planetary defense forces the star fighters probably have to constantly move in and out of the atmosphere to deal with threats, so it makes sense that the star fighters would be able to fly in both. And for an invasion force it wouldn’t make sense to bring a bunch of in atmosphere fighters with you just for fighting in atmosphere when you could have fighters that can be star fighters or regular fighters. I do agree though that for deep space battles it makes sense to just have purpose built spacecraft instead of hybrid craft.

RE: off-bore weapons... They fixed the WW1 machine gun problem by inventing an interruptor for the gun. Basically, they installed a rod connecting the engine to the MG that temporarily disconnected the trigger for the fraction of a second while the propeller would be in the way of the bullet. WW2 planes mostly mounted the guns in the wings and angled them so their fire converged at a certain point a few hundred yards ahead. In science fiction, spinal-mounted weapons have their uses. Mostly, they amount to the weapon being so big that it makes up a significant chunk of the ship. Ion cannon frigates in Homeworld, for example, are basically a weaponized particle accelerator with a ship built around it. Other times, it's due to the recoil: having off-beam weapons with any sort of recoil would cause stability issues for ships in zero gravity that atmospheric and surface vehicles don't have to worry about. I agree 100% about the engagement ranges, though. That is something that so, so few science fiction settings get right.

@matteussandanger4377

4 жыл бұрын

"bulletproof propellers" lmao

@a.murdoch5446

4 жыл бұрын

yeah I was going to say, not sure where they got the idea they made the propellers bullet proof

@caav56

4 жыл бұрын

@@a.murdoch5446 Deflector wedges. Those were a thing. "Following the failure of his early synchronization experiments, Saulnier pursued a method trusting rather less to statistics and luck by developing armoured propeller blades that would resist damage. By March 1915, when French pilot Roland Garros approached Saulnier to arrange for this device to be installed on his Morane-Saulnier Type L, these had taken the form of steel wedges which deflected the bullets which might otherwise have damaged the propeller, or ricocheted dangerously. Garros himself and Jules Hue (his personal mechanic) are sometimes credited with testing and perfecting the "deflectors". This crude system worked after a fashion, although the wedges diminished the propeller's efficiency, and the not inconsiderable force of the impact of bullets on the deflector blades must have put undesirable stress on the engine's crankshaft."

@forestwells5820

4 жыл бұрын

"I agree 100% about the engagement ranges, though. That is something that so, so few science fiction settings get right." Are you sure about that? We were sure close range combat was dead during Vietnam. We were proven wrong. Modern plans still have guns for a reason. Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea of close range combat remaining a thing. It's all based on the tech of the universe. For the Expanse, it's true. For something like Babylon 5 or Star Trek, it is not.

@derekwillbanks5645

4 жыл бұрын

Damn you beat me to it.

"If scientists discovered Pandora in real life they would be astonished as to how similar it was to Earth" *CUTS TO VIETCONG GETTING SLAUGHTERED FROM THE AIR*

@bobmartin9918

4 жыл бұрын

@@filiperomero7574 That's not the point of my comment, I was referring to the start of the video.

@filiperomero7574

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobmartin9918 sorry, i was commenting the video in general, not your comment. Must have clicked the wrong button :(

@Captainpingas

4 жыл бұрын

Anyone else hear Fortunate son playing in the background?

@MouseDestruction

4 жыл бұрын

"everything is scaled up a bit" - blurs avatars crotch

@SeraphimRoad

4 жыл бұрын

GET SOME!

I was so impressed that you mentioned Bab 5 and how they did the thrusters right. I remember when it came out how awesome it was that they made it "realistic" instead of just Star Wars redux

@imperatoriacustodum4667

2 жыл бұрын

Remember when nasa gave the starfury and the many smaller ships the scientific seal of approval?

@Manco65

2 жыл бұрын

@@imperatoriacustodum4667 yeah and at the end of every episode that I remember there was a credit to JPL .

@sneakyking

2 жыл бұрын

Babylon 5 is fantastic

the expanse has imo has the most realistic space combat, i'd even go one further to say that its probably the most accurate portrayal of space in general

@papercrowe8772

3 жыл бұрын

Completely, it made it so much more enjoyable to watch

@_martian101

Жыл бұрын

realistic for our current technology, did you remember how eros define what is realistic by completely annihilating the effects of gravity and massive mass

I like the Expanse because it tries to be realistic and still manages to be "cool". It's an excellent compromise between intelligent worldbuilding and "coolness".

@eg0nmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Hence why I prefer the earlier episodes. The later ones leave some of the sci fi realism and move to fantasy. Of course that's explained by alien technology...

@jrich749

4 жыл бұрын

If they follow the books......season 5 will be next level.

@piotrd.4850

4 жыл бұрын

@OriginalTharios you are right - want realism, look out of the window. Realism ended on SpaceX Falcons.

@stevengale8255

4 жыл бұрын

If your after realistic space battles read the lost fleet by Jack Campbell former sub captain

@MrJay_White

4 жыл бұрын

you need some isaac arthur in your life. particularly his videos on colonising the solar system. air and water shortages on asteroids when fusion power is everywhere and you are living in big lumps of icy gravel? it does get mad props for not being startrash space technowizababble.

The Lost Fleet series by Jack Campbell does an awesome job describing space combat. Highly recommend it

@LukeThompson-fq1ng

3 жыл бұрын

Can't recommend the lost fleet series enough, great books! 😁

@larrymead5911

3 жыл бұрын

I don't even want to think about how bad hollywood would screw up the battles. Love the books by the way.

@18videowatcher41

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s a great series, absolutely love it! Gotta get back into it.

@secretyoutubers5510

3 жыл бұрын

The Lost Fleet got it right. The guy who wrote was a Commander in the US Navy. So he had some great ideas. He based the spaceship disigns on Submarines. Which sort of get. Space combat vessels have a lot in common with submariners. Any damage to the vessel and people die. Both type of vessels are in environments that will kill them. He uses his navy experience to have a fleet of different sizes and types. They even have vessels that build spare parts called auxiliary. If we could do that surface navies definitely would have them. They have a type of auxiliary that has fuel on board and food supplies. So these fleets can get up to speed to engage vessels captain black Jack will send the auxiliaries off with some support to meet up later. They even say that it takes days once they get into a system. Although they go to red alert they go to yellow so everyone can relax and do what they do to prepare for the battle. No point keeping the crew a wake and alert for what could be days before battle. They also mention relativistic effect at speeds 1 or 2% of light speed. Hollywood never mentions this. If you like Lost Fleet Starks War is great.

@joshuacheung6518

2 жыл бұрын

@@larrymead5911 they would somehow get hour long fights and maneuvering compressed into 30 seconds

You didn't say the first thing I thought about: "YOU CAN'T HEAR SOUND IN SPACE, SO YOU WON'T HEAR PEWPEWPEWPEWPEW!!!"

@nghiale6560

4 жыл бұрын

That made film more drama.

@blackfalcon1324

4 жыл бұрын

and I am glade. everyone knows that. I hate it when people make videos just to make duh comments thinking that they have just made a new discovery/don't care I just want views.

@frocat5163

4 жыл бұрын

@@blackfalcon1324 The old Star Wars expanded universe, as well as the original trilogy novelizations explained this by having ship's sensors create audio cues for pilots and gunners to track. It was never mentioned in the films, but at least a part of the SW universe acknowledged this and gave an explanation. The SW EU (and prequel novelizations, I think) explained how starship combat was conducted at extremely long range, but the ship's sensors created visual cues to make it easier for the crews to grasp their conditions. So, in the films when you see two ships firing broadside at each other from what appears to be less than a hundred meters, they're actually hundreds of kilometers apart, and the crews of each ship can't actually see the physical ship at which they're firing.

@jasontaylor1068

4 жыл бұрын

@@frocat5163 Don't tell me this means the battle of Coruscant was actually just an incredibly spaced game of chicken and not a balls-to-the-wall dogfight between hundreds of battle cruisers.

@frocat5163

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasontaylor1068 I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the _Revenge of the Sith_ novelization says. It's been quite a while since I read it, though, so I may be mistaken.

It’s a common misconception that dogfights occurred in Vietnam, by that point missiles were mostly used and very few/basically no meaningful amounts of aircraft were shot down with air to air guns, the last dogfights were Korea and by that point they were already impractical

@ksfirewolf1530

3 жыл бұрын

Well that thought process is precisely why the F-4 phantom had no gun in its initial builds. However you carry nothing but bombs or run out of missiles that little MiG with his machine gun can take all the time he wants whittling away at you. The reason we have guns in modern aircraft is not to dogfight, it’s more akin to having a pistol. Yeah, not many people in the military have used their sidearm, but you always want one. I’m not saying you are wrong. Modern air fighting is mostly “I’m firing a missile from twenty miles away.” But it’s also a common misconception, and a misconception the US government got caught up in, that guns are useless. Short range weaponry is always a good back up no matter if it’s a jet fighter or a space fighter.

@TheSiriusEnigma

3 жыл бұрын

BVR only has a 20% success rate. Depending on single shot kill is how you lose.

@shadowconquer-yv5yd

Жыл бұрын

Well at that time, missiles were at their early forms and experienced frequent failures. Which is why the US air force equipped their F4s and future fighter jets with guns as a secondary gun.

Titan AE. Holy shit I haven't thought about that movie since I was a kid. What an underrated and awesome sci-fi flick.

@crazyeyez1502

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome movie with a great soundtrack 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@cacuinwildstar

4 жыл бұрын

Always love that there was a smart security guard in that movie

@lisawillis8227

4 жыл бұрын

Loved that movie.

@georgdohner1710

4 жыл бұрын

@@cacuinwildstar it's always nice if there is someone smart in a movie and the plot is not just folding up because everyone is to dumb to see what's happening and running around alone or ignoring obvious problems

@lippyausletzeburg1455

3 жыл бұрын

oh yes you are right. Have to watch Titan AE egain THX JACCO :)

"Children of a Dead Earth" A realistic take on space combat: the game

@akirawolf9828

4 жыл бұрын

I still enjoy it, but I don’t think it’s received much attention as of late. That said, it still looks like the most realistic take on space combat (using close to modern technology).

@Folker46590

4 жыл бұрын

The Lost Fleet books do space combat really well too as does David Weber's Honor Harrington series. The problem is Hollywood DOESN'T do space combat and, like most ground combat movies, both sides just charge at each other and slug it out slow and close.

@timothybackhus824

4 жыл бұрын

@@akirawolf9828 This year's war thunder april fools event did decently well too

@hermannabt8361

4 жыл бұрын

The Praxis series by Jon Walter Williams had my favourite, realistic space battles.

@akirawolf9828

4 жыл бұрын

ES458 do you have a better example, of an attempt on realistic space combat? I know CoaDE has orbital mechanics and fuel limits for intercepts. I understand that the player made custom weapons probably aren’t 100% realistic or practical, but the game makes an attempt.

"There is no stealth in space." Isaac Arthur.

@chaosreaver3597

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I remember reading something a few years ago, stating that if the Space Shuttle ran a full thrust main engine burn, in orbit above Earth, it would be detectable all the way out to Pluto's average orbital distance from Earth.

@thomasmcdevitt1600

4 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as an unarmed spaceship

@willstikken5619

4 жыл бұрын

Tell that to the people trying to identify, track and plot larger asteroids.

@thomasmcdevitt1600

4 жыл бұрын

The saying refers to spaceships, which passively give off huge amounts of heat relative to their surroundings, not to mention when the engine is turned on

@chaosreaver3597

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasmcdevitt1600 You're right, the amount of heat a spacecraft or space station gives of is absurd in comparison to the background heat of the universe, it why it's so easily detectable with junk you can buy from your local electronics store (at, granted, short range, with a certain degree of engineering prowess [err, moon distance or shorter]). But, the mistaken reason raised by Will Stikken is that the thousands if not hundreds of thousands (or more) of asteroids in near-earth orbit aren't artificial, they often don't emit heat in the same way an artificial construct would. RADAR is useless as many near-earth objects don't contain enough metallic material to be detectable, and even if they did it wouldn't give us anywhere near enough warning to do anything to counteract it. The entire human race is dependent on visual identification for the near-earth objects, and that, enough of the sky is being watched to prepare us for what is an enviable outcome. [Expletive] that is a downer. Edit: Spelling

Adding the clip from the “Serenity” battle between the Alliance and the Reavers into the list of bad space battles is unfair, as that battle took place in the upper atmosphere of Mr. Universe’s Moon. The Operative: “We’ll meet them in the air.” Serenity had her Firefly drive turned off and her atmospheric scramjets active. Most tellingly, you could hear the explosions. If you notice, a few moments earlier in the movie, when Serenity attacks the Reaver ship in space near Miranda, the scramjets are off, the Firefly drive is active, the music swells and mimics explosions, but there are no actual explosion sounds. They are in a space battle. The battle at Mr. Universe’s world played out like air combat, because it was air combat.

@raimondsudovenko8611

4 жыл бұрын

Fair point. No general however assemble the fleet in such close group. There’s need to do so and it is dangerous for such proximity might lead to a collision and make manoeuvring or changing battle formation fast impossible.

@Janoha17

3 жыл бұрын

@@raimondsudovenko8611 They were set up for shooting down one small transport. As Mal accurately predicted, they never saw the Reavers coming.

@raimondsudovenko8611

3 жыл бұрын

@@Janoha17 that's well put, but I still believe they'd be spread out more.

@Shadow_Lunatale

3 жыл бұрын

I really liked the series, and the movie, for paying attention to such things. Even in Firefly, the scenes that showed ships in space were mute, but it was usually overlooked since some guitar background music was playing.

@ethanlauder4887

2 жыл бұрын

@@raimondsudovenko8611 It had been a few decades since their last interstellar war. By this point, I think the Alliance fleet was a bit lazy. On the bridge of the corvette, the Operative looks like the only one who's taking things seriously. It's why when he ordered them to fire, the Alliance crew hesitated.

The only reason you have a spinal mount is to have a massive gun where the recoil is inline with your main thrusters.

@naomy1701

4 жыл бұрын

for lasers it makes no sense, no matter the size, its diff for huge bombardment guns or thelike ofc. like the Magma Cannons in WH40k Imperial Warships (they fire 2-3 story high one-family-house sized shells, if they were mounted anywhere else other than along central axis, the ship would get hard to steer, if not impossible to recover for a period of time even, so u are not wrong. however for the point hes trying to make, he isnt either >_

@TravelWithCesarin

4 жыл бұрын

@@naomy1701 unless you do akimbo, aka firing 2 guns at same time on both sides to balance :P

@leeroyloke8415

4 жыл бұрын

@xheralt You mean like a return to the torpedo boats and fast attack crafts before the invention of manned flight and aircraft carriers? The closest thing to "space fighters" would be the equivalent of missile-armed fast attack crafts (with an optional spinal-mounted main gun(s) ) and point defence cannon turrets like in Rocinante and Amun-Ra Stealth Frigates in "The Expanse".

@digitalis2977

4 жыл бұрын

@@naomy1701 A large laser of sufficient destructive force would still provide a counter-force along the axis of fire. In space, nothing is free, and even photons produce a reactionary impact vector (see: solar sail, photon engine, and photonic propulsion.) So, a laser of sufficient power to slice through a target is still going to provide a massive counter-thrust along the firing vector because all that energy leaving, by the very Laws of Physics, MUST have an equal and opposite force reaction...granted it would be less than a weapon system accelerating a mass to a given velocity along a vector, but the "recoil" generated in a zero gravity environment will, nevertheless, be far more than negligible.

@naomy1701

4 жыл бұрын

@@digitalis2977 sorry but no, Laser are Light so it doesnt produce any force, else our universe would be in big trouble.. but yeah would it be a photon accellerator or anything the like, then yes it would ofc

You pull from such a wide array of film clips it’s honestly impressive

@sharms_silly

4 жыл бұрын

John Ceccarelli my favorite part was Vietcong getting gunned down by 50 cal. mounted helicopter side guns.

@cheetahluv210

4 жыл бұрын

Could I get a full list of all the movies and tv shows in the clips

@michaelguth4007

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheetahluv210 Not complete: Avatar Ender's Game StarWars (Ep 4, Rogue One, The Last Jedi) Gravity The Expanse Babylon 5 Titan AE Independence Day Space Pirate Captain Harlock (2013) Other people's contribution: The Martian The World's Fastest Indian

@ecordsen

4 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to figure out what's playing @ 4:08-4:15, does anyone know what it is?

@jcheck1107

4 жыл бұрын

Ethan Cordsen the one at 4:08 was the Martian, after that I have no clue

It just occurs to me that 'The Last Starfighter' did space fighting pretty well. The gunstar seemed to have both thruster maneuvering and off bore shooting. Not bad for a obscure film.

@Defender78

3 жыл бұрын

9:31 I wonder if it’s implied that the Star Wars space vehicles have thrust vectoring and that using canards to make their ultra tight turns

@Charistoph

3 жыл бұрын

@@Defender78, since the X-Wing series I have assumed that it had to do with Repulsor technology, which is incredibly magical.

@AlexandarHullRichter

3 жыл бұрын

The Last Starfighter was a great example. Not only was it able to shoot at targets not directly in front, the Gunner had the ability to shoot in literally any direction without the Starfighter changing direction. It was also great design decision for the Gunner to be a separate crew member from the pilot.

@BratislavMetulski

3 жыл бұрын

Death blossom 😂😂😂

@Raz.C

3 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget that it also had an 80s Catherine Mary Stewart in it!!! That alone made it stellar!!!

The scene in The Expanse where the Canterbury gets destroyed sold me on the entire series immediately. Over the series the laws of physics almost become their own character, always trying to kill everyone

@patrickdusablon2789

4 жыл бұрын

Sir Isaac Newton is an equal opportunity asshole.

@giin97

4 жыл бұрын

@@patrickdusablon2789 see, I disagree. That characterizes him and the laws he described as being negative. As a basic component of reality, I see them as neutral, and any expectation of a positive to be foolish. Tl;dr, Newtonian physics isn't an a-hole, and thinking otherwise is thinking too highly of oneself.

@agarcia658

4 жыл бұрын

That was outstanding. I also liked the detail where Miller is pouring a cocktail on Ceres and you can see the effect of the rapid rotation causing Coriolis forces to curve the stream of spirits. Now THAT was cool! ... well to a lesser extent when the round went through the room on the martian vessel and air was leaking out how the sound faded away ... then returned when they plugged the holes.

@fkerpants

3 жыл бұрын

@@giin97 You understand what it means to be flippant, right?

@giin97

3 жыл бұрын

@@fkerpants sure do. Take my comment, for example; very flippant.

About Orbital transfers, you generally don’t do it when the bodies are closest, as one is travelling faster than the other. To get to Mars you usually need to have Mars 45 degrees ahead for maximum fuel efficiency. (Ps it is also the fastest way generally without wasting tons of fuel).

@punman5392

4 жыл бұрын

I mean what you explain is definitely ideal for peaceful and explorative purposes but in a wartime scenario you’d definitely want to burn more fuel to obtain a much faster transfer.

@Tensai4ever

4 жыл бұрын

he was refering to the space travelling in our time. Wartime scenarios are a thing of the future and there your argument would be more valid. In scify you have gravitational dampeners, warpspeed, in general more potents form of acceleration and powersources. Direct transferwindows (when the planets are at its closest) are impossible atm. Just play Kerbal Space program and you will immediately see that Moolman meant :D

@gj9157

4 жыл бұрын

I really hope SpaceX gets us there.

@gj9157

4 жыл бұрын

@@NightRaven-lh1bf True, I just wanna see a base built there before I'm dead. Lol

@ovni2295

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on whether you're prioritizing quick travel times or the best fuel efficiency. You can choose between those two options, even in space.

"It's probably going to be a lot more boring and a lot more slower." The expanse: Battles are kilometers away with torpedoes. Said torpedoes are blasted away with PDCs. Close combat with rail guns and said PDCs. Rocinante fly past a stealth ship firing with PDCs. Spinning and acceleration can take a toll on the crew. Sounds like the expanse knows how to do space combat. Do a part 2. Derby fields from the Canterbury, remember the Cant, nearly killed the shuttle crew and tore another ship in half.

@Stinker4583

4 жыл бұрын

The Expanse manages to do space combat realistic and not boring at the same time.

@DrewLSsix

4 жыл бұрын

The expanse takes a lot of liberties with its physics and combat. Unfortunately so many people are enamored of it being the realistic sci-fi show that they think that's how things actually work.

@mattstorm360

4 жыл бұрын

@@DrewLSsix Which liberties do they take? Most people know the Epstein drive and the protomolecules are fantasy but which parts are you talking about?

@gallendugall8913

4 жыл бұрын

"Battles are kilometers away" - lol that's a fricking knife fight and absurdly close for space combat.

@quantum_chezburger2279

4 жыл бұрын

@Resurgent Battlecruiser not with constant acceleration. Earth to Mars would take 25 hrs.

The new version of Battlestar Galactica, the opening scene is actually pretty authentic, another item I like is how the firing solutions is not to fire at your target, but to fire in an appearance arc, because gravity actually curves space.

@blackfalcon1324

4 жыл бұрын

what new version? The new one as in a decade ago or is there a new new one?

@alanaspurling6469

4 жыл бұрын

I believe there might be something coming out... but I’m referring to what is already released.

@KYLExHAEVN

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that second Battlestar Galactica series was really good, even muffled all the noise when showing the space battles unlike most movies and games

@ethanlauder4887

2 жыл бұрын

I liked how the ammo from the Galactica's main guns turned into flak, makes it easier to hit ships I suppose.

@ohauss

Жыл бұрын

"because gravity actually curves space." Um, that's not really going to have that big an effect unless you're firing at extreme range or very close to a gravity well.

In ww1, machine guns had a trigger cutoff that activated when the propeller was in front of the gun. The propellers weren't bulletproof as that would add considerable weight and it would still eventually break if it was hit enough (things can only be bullet resistant)

@mikesully110

4 жыл бұрын

@Al Daniel Jumilla yeah the early fighters were made with shaped armour on the props which of course was garbage. They tried all kinds of wacky schemes before the sync gear was invented.

@Defender78

3 жыл бұрын

10:45 is where the dialogue in question about the propellers in interrupters

@1988dgs

3 жыл бұрын

Trigger interrupt was developed later, have a look at the video when he mentions it, there is a wedge fitted to the back of the propeller that deflects the bullets, so in a way “bulletproof”

The expanse really romanticized realistic space combat with seemingly boring things like missiles, I really adore how media in general is slowly developing how we can experience more and more practical space combat

@barrybend7189

4 жыл бұрын

As much as Gundam adds a bit of world building workaround( Mynovski particles, Neutron Jammers, Ahab waves) combat in gundam between ships is pretty realistic. Even with the particle limits fights are kilometers away and sometimes fought like WW2 carrier combat. With SEED Mobile Armors are really good example of what space combat is and how to utilize it( as much as SEED's story is lacking in Uniqueness for a gundam story).

@Bajicoy

4 жыл бұрын

@@barrybend7189 there's a lot to unpack here but yes, gundam as a whole does do quite a few things admirably and some of the recent generations have really added to the medium. My personal favorite additions are the tactics employed in iron blooded orphans as mostly being original and creative. That said, while Gundam does a number of things right, it is still in the WWII era of combat and uses fantasy systems like particle shields that require more than one major change to the laws of known physics. We live in an era of fighting enemies we cannot see even with assisted technology, everything at best is represented as a dot on a map. Missiles are then the staple of combat being fast and unparalleled in agility. The moment mechas cannot evade missiles without rewriting the laws of physics or changing physics for particle shields is where realism stops because we have left the known world far behind. To say gundam and the expanse are realistic depictions of what space combat is is to also compare the two side by side. It's a really hard sell to say gundam is pretty realistic in its combat. All that said, gundam is wonderful, it does a number of things admirably, but it still is far from realistic

@barrybend7189

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bajicoy well I pointed out SEED's Mobeiose mobile armor actually is a cool machine that takes into account space combat.

10:48 Think you need to fact check that one. The issue of a pilots not shooting off their own propellers was resolved by the development of a synchronizing gear so the prop and gun trigger were timed so bullets fired between prop passes.

@jacobkingsford447

4 жыл бұрын

no he's correct some crazy Frenchman just strapped a machine gun to his plane and stuck some metal on the propellers and went off. this was copied until the Germans captured his plane and decided what you said was a better idea.

@derekrea4876

4 жыл бұрын

@@jacobkingsford447, Roland Garros was famous for it.... many others also used variations. Though I'm getting annoyed with all the people "correcting him". I'm starting to wonder if they are all American's, as the issue was solved prior to America's entry in to the war.

One of the things I hate in movies is how fast large/capital ships change direction. In Knights of Sidonia it was satisfying to see it take hours to complete a large turn and days to stop and turn around. I also thought it was cool to see what happened inside the ship when a high-G turn took place. Anybody not belted in or clamped to the ship died when they were flung across a bay, and even people secured to railings were killed by loose debris flying around.

The best "space combat " sequences were in the Babylon 5 TV series, the ships acted in a Newtonian way with thrust vectors, weapon damage lead-in to explosive decompression.

"Realistic Space Combat would be boring." Try "The Lost Fleet" series by Jack Campbell. And you hit B5 before I needed to. : )

@keloid7682

4 жыл бұрын

Heath Riley what’s that supposed to be? Edit: I’m asking because I’m busy reading other comments.

@2bteachable2

4 жыл бұрын

Heath Riley, I thought the same thing. Jack Campbell does a great job of showing how space combat is a lot of hurry up and wait, mixed with brief moments of pure chaos.

@fatgrunt

3 жыл бұрын

Came here to mention this. Several hours of manuevering for a fraction of a second of combat only to do it again that author is very talented.

@sswyvern5350

3 жыл бұрын

@@fatgrunt well, that does sounds boring.

10:00 while i love B5 for its realistic dogfights, one should also mention Battlestar Galactica 2003. Those vipers have beautiful RCS thrusters

@carljohan9265

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, if we are being realistic, dogfights in space wont happen at all. Having small, manned fighter craft is simply not something you can realistically do in space. This is due to a myriad of reasons, but chief among them is the propellant capacity. The tyranny of the rocket equation means that you have to burn an insane mount of propellant to change velocity and direction while traveling through space, so much so that the majority of a ships mass is it's propellant tanks, and most of the mission's burns needs to be planned out before you even launch. There is no way a small ship that has to sacrifice space and mass for a pilot and his cockpit and life support systems can carry enough propellant to maneuver in space like a plane. Anything fighter-sized that you would use in space would be missiles and unmanned, disposable drones, and you would need to launch swarms of them to get through enemy point defense. Putting pilots in them would never work.

@khornesith3811

4 жыл бұрын

B5 is still best even BSG

@subhrodeepsaha9245

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, best space dog fights. And the expanse space science is pretty solid too.

@themc.kennyshow6585

3 жыл бұрын

Ma man!

@Charistoph

3 жыл бұрын

@@carljohan9265, a lot depends on the efficiency of the drive system, too. Star Furies work because they can maneuver without burning fuel at such a high rate, probably because they aren't using chemical rockets but a far more advanced energy generator and thrust delivery system.

This is why Star Wars makes up technology to make space combat work

Congratulations! Fantastic comment on this subject, well written, well researched. Being a Physicist and science-fiction fan for decades now I find your analysis on Ender's Game, Babylon 5 and Star Wars absolutely spot on. Keep up with the good work.

"This if Fleet Admiral Harper, we are engaging the enemy!"

@randycheow4268

4 жыл бұрын

pierce payumo negative Admiral, form a school circle around the cluster

@darkbooger

4 жыл бұрын

Commander, get to your ship, link up with the fleet.

@NintendoCraft1

4 жыл бұрын

Negative Admiral, form a defensive perimeter around the cluster.

@nobleman9393

4 жыл бұрын

Negative Admiral, bring me two pizzas

@alexfrost2799

4 жыл бұрын

You have the MAC gun, Cortana. As soon as they come within range, open up

1:31 Allan: "Realistic space combat would be boring." The expanse: *Oh I don't think so.*

@sportsfails4998

4 жыл бұрын

@@NightRaven-lh1bf true, but the expanse is an example of how "hard sci fi" has been hitting the mainstream in recent years (along with other examples like The Martian)

@brainblessed5814

4 жыл бұрын

@@sportsfails4998 Which is counteracted by a massive success of comic book stuff like guardians of the galaxy or captain marvel, which is even softer than star wars.

@brainblessed5814

4 жыл бұрын

@@NightRaven-lh1bf More realistic doesnt necessarily means better

@theempiredidnothingwrong3227

4 жыл бұрын

@@brainblessed5814 This is something people often forget you can have complete realism but it means nothing if you've got a weak plot and terrible characters. Things which we currently have no shortage of examples of lately.

@brainblessed5814

4 жыл бұрын

@@NightRaven-lh1bf I have my doubts. When writers tried to make SW more realistic we got midichlorians and Kessel run.

The Expanse does a great job of of long range warfare especially when taking out weapon platforms in space.

Larry Niven's Footfall was a good one. The Aliens just gathered rocks on the way in through the asteroid belts and dropped them on Earth. Invasion done.

@ugaladh

4 жыл бұрын

I don't read much science fiction, but many years ago I did read Footfall and really liked it. the thing I took from it was the clash of herd thinking vs individual thinking. The aliens really could not fathom how we thought and how devious we could be as individuals.

@AlexandarHullRichter

3 жыл бұрын

Just wait, they do that in The Expanse too.

In David Weber's Honorverse books (the later ones anyway) missile technology has advanced to the point where the missiles have multi-stage drives (normally 2 stage but bigger ships have missiles with 3 stage drives), allowing tactical officers to launch the missile (with the aid of mass drivers) use the first stage of the drive to accelerate the missile towards the target, have it's drive shut down and coast on a ballistic trajectory until it comes into range of the target and then use the second stage of the drive for final attack manoeuvres. Salvos of these missiles also include missiles fitted with Dragons Teeth and dazzlers to mislead, confuse and overwhelm the defending ships active defences. MDMs (Multi Drive Missiles) can also be fired off bore, with an attacking ship rolling to present the ventral/dorsal plain of the hull (thus remaining protected by the stressed gravity bands produced by the ship's impeller drive which is impenetrable) and fire with all of its broadside missile tubes.

@binderbinder6920

4 жыл бұрын

Multi stage missile tech, really? They could manipulate gravity. That level of tech / science is insane and totally inconsistent with the rest of the universe that Weber came up with. Still love the novels (Hornblower in space) but please don’t consider it a realistic depiction of actual space combat.

@jamoecw

4 жыл бұрын

@@binderbinder6920 we have multi-stage missile tech today. in fact multi-stage missile tech predates liquid fuel propellant. how the missiles use their stages is how US ICBMs operate, making it harder to detect and stop them.

@MonkeyJedi99

4 жыл бұрын

@@binderbinder6920 At least some sci-fi authors have the brains to put the bridge of a ship in an armored space in the center of the ship instead of on an office building with windows or a blister on top of the flying saucer like a high-ranking bulls-eye.

@nathanbrown8680

4 жыл бұрын

The MDM was just about overcoming a limit of fictional reactionless drives applied at missile scale. Honorverse combat is comparatively well thought out, but almost everything about it is dictated by the quirks of the fictional reactionless drive.

@piotrd.4850

4 жыл бұрын

Multi-impulse solid fuel engines are researched NOW for AAMs.

Shout out to KSP for teaching Allen orbital mechanics. Also RIP Flat Earth guy, it was fun while it lasted Edit: Sorry Allen, had spelled your name wrong

@antonycharnock2993

4 жыл бұрын

Flat Earth. Biggest joke on Americans since the Church of Scientology😂

@rob7953

4 жыл бұрын

Flat Earth Guy's last words: "What? It's not like it's rocket science."

@eg0nmaker

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure he will be a candidate for a Darwin award.

@jrich749

4 жыл бұрын

Just like every other religion.

@davidareeves

4 жыл бұрын

Well sadly, the flat earth guy proved his science. He became a real Flatter on Earth....on his side though. If you going to prove something put yourself behind it, which he did. I always think of the flip side of these crazy notions, what if he had of been right and proved it. Columbus didn't find a super highway to India, but that's what he said he would do, loser, he proved nothing he said he would either.

This is one of my favourite vids of yours I've seen. Would love to see a part two where you talk about how making your enemy ship hotter and how dissipating heat from your ship quickly is the most effective form of defence!

Main point you did not talk about: There will be a strict budget on everything, most importantly fuel. That will limit how much thrust you can spend maneuvering the space-craft - therefore even less dog-fightings...

@ceilyurie856

4 жыл бұрын

*looks at Star Citizen.* Yeah...I have used up like over half my hydrogen in combat before when actively maneuvering against a target with superior firepower. Using the over thrust also seriously burns a lot of thruster fuel. A lot of peopel seem scared of using decoupled (space physics) mode in crowded environments like in asteroid fields. ANd common strategy seems to be ME-262 style jousting with fighters. I myself accelerate to full standard speed, slap on decoupled, and start using thruster bursts to basically turn my ship itn a crazy gyroscope of death as I fly around a target. I don't always use decoupled mode though.

@Battalionkitchen

4 жыл бұрын

Which is why the fusion reactor is so common, they're not burning hydrogen. And if they were they would just claim to have hydrogen collecting systems. Like if we were living in 1830 watching a movie about Vietnam wondering how they sourced all the coal to power everything

@ceilyurie856

4 жыл бұрын

@@Battalionkitchen fuel scoops, also fusion reactors fuse hydrogen into helium

@Battalionkitchen

4 жыл бұрын

@@ceilyurie856 true, but you cant use 20th century "rules" on 24th, or later, futurism. Like I said in another comment, it's like living in 1840 watching a movie about the Vietnam war and being pissed because theres no way they could get enough coal to do all that.

@Nyx_2142

4 жыл бұрын

The more fuel you burn, the less mass you have to move around. Also, it depends a lot on what the fuel is and how it works.

If anyone is looking for a book series that does Space battles well I recommend the Lost Fleet series.

@sergioaccioly5219

4 жыл бұрын

Very much agreed. Also, the spin off series set in the same universe, Lost Stars

@brianknow9142

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Another book that does it okay is dread empires fall.

@andreaszetterstrom7418

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, there we can talk speed with fleets meeting each other at speeds in excess of 20% of light speed.

@jameskratzer4538

4 жыл бұрын

Honor Harrington series does very well on missile combat in deep space.

@augurseer

4 жыл бұрын

Lost fleet and all associated materials. Amazing!!!

Wait, so Princess Leia force pulling herself back into her ship wasn't realistic??

@georgethompson913

4 жыл бұрын

well remaining conscious for several seconds in the vacuuum of space was more the issue honestly.

@kingscorpion7346

4 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@brainblessed5814

4 жыл бұрын

@@georgethompson913 staying conscious for several seconds in space is realistic.

@a.murdoch5446

4 жыл бұрын

@@georgethompson913 it's really not though, humans can stay conscious in a vacuum for up to thirty seconds, as long as they remember to breathe out as they are being tossed into space. This was tested in an accident that happened right here on our own planet in a vacuum chamber. Even with the intesne cold, it will take a few minutes for your extremities to freeze. The real issue would be the air in your lungs trying to exit your body as fast as possible, causing damage to your organs, which is why you are supposed to breathe out. The moment in the movie was visually badly done, which is why, i think, people really have a problem with it.

@000tragicsolitude4

4 жыл бұрын

What a shock

my favorite of your videos! super informative! blew my mind several times!

Best battle scene: "My Swartz is Bigger Than Your Swartz!" (From Spaceballs)

@Raz.C

3 жыл бұрын

I think you got that wrong. The line (from memory) is: "Ahhh. I see Yoghurt gave you the ring. And I see your Schwartz is as big as mine!!"

In 'Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country', the Klingons could have used some zero gravity training. 🙄

@sherpajones

4 жыл бұрын

Regardless I would never look at pepto bismol the same after seeing that movie when I was 11.

@musicalhistory4392

4 жыл бұрын

Its astonishing the lack of zero gravity references in movies, that was the first time it had been in Star Trek (and a major movie at that point), and its been on some tv episodes, but I haven't seen any other movies address zero gravity outside of Enders game(and it was later disappointing to find out that training was irrelevant in the story).

@TravelWithCesarin

4 жыл бұрын

So did Khan.

@donl9571

4 жыл бұрын

Cesarin Pillin Star Trek 2 is the absolute worst. Kirk reminds the audience that space is 3D, but then the Enterprise stays on the same plane as Khan. Why not rotate 90 degrees or something like that?

@musicalhistory4392

4 жыл бұрын

@@donl9571 Another thing that movies seem to forget is we always see Space ships facing each other level, while its unnecessary and would be more work than its worth in space.

I always love it when someone shines a light on Babylon 5. I never understood why it is so underrated in the sci-fi fandom.

@TheSiriusEnigma

3 жыл бұрын

Because B5 breaks the mold of having a story about the actors. Everybody is a potential villain in B5. Especially humans.

Thumbs up, very interesting video, and professionally explained. I will actually have to look up some physic concepts you explained. A part II would be much appreciated. Diego, from Uruguay.

This is largely on point, but just a couple things to add: 1. Lasers and particle beams will be the dominant primary armament. In an environment with virtually no cover, effective range is king. You're going to want weapons that move close to, or at the speed of light. To put it in an earth analogy, an Iowa class BB could easily destroy any modern warship from close range, but it doesn't matter how powerful those giant naval rifles are if ASMs sink it from 200km beyond the Iowa's max range. It doesn't matter how powerful of a gun or missile you have, if it or your ship can be shot down from far outside your own range. Even much weaker beam weapons will still be more effective. 2. Maneuverability will be very important in space, even if the engagement ranges are measured in tens of thousands of km. The more your ship can move and evade, the harder it will be to hit with any form of unguided weapon like a laser beam. Because waste heat will be a serious issue for sustained combat, every shot the enemy misses will greatly benefit you. You're going to want to be constantly changing vectors in combat to make it as hard as possible for enemy beam weapons to concentrate and achieve burn through on your hull. In short, you want to keep dodging to lower the enemy's effective range as much as possible.

@WastelandSeven

4 жыл бұрын

Plus, lack of recoil from energy weapons make them almost necessities. If you're firing say a massive rail gun along your ship's direction of travel it will act as a retro rocket. Fire it enough and you will come to a dead stop. Fire off side, and you push your ship out of formation. Energy weapons don't have this problem. I'd add, a really good point defense system will make missiles hitting your ship a non issue. It will also prevent fighters from closing distance. In this sort of scenario fighters are scouts. They act as forward sensor pickets. They only skirmish with each other to keep the other side's fighters from getting a good fix on the enemy fleet making long range energy gunnery more accurate. Give your pickets point defenses of their own, and things get interesting.

@piotrd.4850

4 жыл бұрын

Good luck trying on Iowa with modern ASMs - it will ruin your budget, Battleship will shurg them off like nothing happened. As much as in WW II ONLY weapon against battleship is torpedo, preferably very, very heavy one.

@iamunamed5800

4 жыл бұрын

wouldn't that lend itself to space fighters being a thing? keep you big ship out of range of the other, then send in little ships that are more maneuverable, much smaller, and a waste of the enemies main armament. they could get in close with whatever weapon would be most effective, idk what that would be, so that way the mothership stays out of range. sounds pretty familiar..

@demonking8768

4 жыл бұрын

Question did you ever take physics i geuss no because lasers disappear or lose energy in space space is fucking huge like you wouldn't get a laser to hit one side from the other in your entire family line get this lasers a speed of light to go from one side to the other would take over 300000 years ? U think anything laser based would last that long ?? Like what star wars have you been watching lasers only good on planet space would lose to railgun everytime why u ask because space wouldnt stop the round or slow it down it keeps the same speed as first fired or its maxed speed it acheived until it hits something

@demonking8768

4 жыл бұрын

So all you star wars fans listen closely STAR WARS IS A MOVIE FOR ENTERTAINMENT NOT SCIENCE NOR IS ITS OBJECTS THE BEST THE WRITER SAID THIS . SCIENCE IS REAL AND THERE ARE RULES TO IT IN SPACE STAR WARS FOLLOWS NOT ONE OF THEM . SO QUIT DREAMING OF IT BEING REAL ALL ITS SHIPS INCLUDING THE DEATH STAR ARE USELESS TRASH THAT WOULDNT LAST 5 MINUTES IN A REAL SPACE FIGHT .take some science classes and u will learn your errors if not stupity will stay with u forever.

Anyone wanting more of sci fi space battle tropes ruined should check out Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet book series. Relativistic Distortion, dealing with the limitations of the speed of light as the best sensor type, fractions of a second engagement times, and so many other topics related to this video are well explained in there.

@Unsound_advice

4 жыл бұрын

Jason Ritner the space battles in Joe Haldeman’s “The Forever War” are also superb examples of realism.

@kenbrown2808

4 жыл бұрын

I have made a note of that series, not to ruin tropes, but because I like military sci-fi.

@DonVigaDeFierro

4 жыл бұрын

I will check it out because that is right on my alley. Thanks for the recommendation.

@winterlong08

4 жыл бұрын

It’s very good combat takes hours to set up and lasts a few seconds to pass

@tba113

4 жыл бұрын

I love this channel. Come for the videos, stay for the mil-sf book series recommendations.

Speaking of Stealth Technology. One of the best Sci-fi examples of space stealth tech is the Normandy SR-1, where the heat from the ship is synced into the hull and thereby avoiding enemy detection for a time, though visual scans can still see the ship but that requires an light source, which if a stealth ship has hostile intentions and you can't detect it first... chances are it's already too late.

@HolyknightVader999

4 жыл бұрын

Not really a good example, considering what happened in Mass Effect 2.

@jacobkingsford447

4 жыл бұрын

stealth physically cannot work in space due the thermodynamics, you whole space ship radiates heat in every direction, and the hotter your hull the more it radiates, so all this device actually does is make your space ship less manoeuvrable due to increased mass

@giin97

4 жыл бұрын

@@jacobkingsford447 what he's talking about, the mass effect universe has disposable heat sink materials and advanced heat storage. The Normandy has a limited capacity of trapping heat in a series of sinks within the inner hull, preventing any heat from reaching the outer hull and radiating into space for short periods, allowing them to thermally "go dark," like diesel submarines can run silent to avoid detection. Eventually though, they have to dump the heat, so it is a very temporary state.

@Nyx_2142

4 жыл бұрын

@@jacobkingsford447 Correction, it doesn't work in infrared unless you have some ridiculous efficient heat sinks and something to somehow shield it from detection.

An important part of space battles in sci fi tabletop RPG Coriolis is detection. Spacecraft about to duke it out turn off their transponders and try to go dark. Closing transponders is pretty much a universal "fite me" signal in the setting. Everyone is fighting at a range of several AU, trying to figure out where the heck everyone else is using passive sensors. If you give yourself away attacking a misidentified target the fact that you are launching missiles, sending out signals, firing point defence systems and burning rockets and stuff gives you away more easily, and opens you up for a return missile.

Great class my friend I appreciate the thought you put into delivering this content. Big Ups to you!

And this is another reason why I love the Expanse.

Great video. This topic needs a part 2. Consider how Jack Campbell describes space battles in his Lost Fleet series.

Keep it going with part 2 Allen. This was a fun video and an interesting topic!

A bit late reply here, but i read a scifi story, where we have entered space, and it is really good and precise. In this book we encounter a deadly enemy, that wants to destroy humans. In the battles there are no small fighters, only big warships, with several gimballed rail guns, and missiles. The writer really took his time to research obital mechanics, and how we would move when entering star system, and how projectiles would behave. At the first battle they fire a few rounds at the enemy, but before that they calculate the distance to the target, its orbital period around the planet it is near, and where it will be. They allso calculate the gravitational pull from planets, and the parent star, on those projectiles. All this just to get a firing solution. When they where ready to fire, the estimated time for impact was 90 minutes, with a velocity at .4c (0.4 times the speed of light) The projectiles even had a little guidence system, and small vectoring thrusters, just in case the target made a little change in the orbit, either by burning prograde, or retrograde. If the target does, it invalidates the fireing solution. The space battles in this book could take days, making a firering solution, then fire, and wait for hours to see if you had a hit. They never fire everything, if they miss, they will miss with everything, so it was small controlled bursts. This might sound boring, but the psykological pressure on the personal was written really good, how they was in constant alert mode for days. Even when they enter a star system, they enter a orbit, and the writer wrote how they did de-orbit burns, so they could travel further in to the star system. The captain of the ship even mentioned how funny it is, that they can travel between two stars, using warp, in a couple of days, but to get to the inner planet in a system, you could travel for months. This book was awsome, and i have been trying to remember the title, i want to read it again.

We definitely need a part two to this. We can talk about explosions in space an the lack of sound in a vacuum.

@wojciechkolaczkiewicz2881

4 жыл бұрын

well... explosions can occur in space but in diffrent way than in atmosfere(put soda can in oven, set for over 100celcius and wait ;) ). Explosion don't always mean combustion. and schock wave alike entity can be observed without atmosfere nad combustion. Dense enought micro debries field fast enought will be received as sound by microphone. its not that epic by still

@Nyx_2142

4 жыл бұрын

The sound is simulated/emulated. At least in some lores.

"[Orbital] debris is dangerous someone has to suit up, go out there, and retrieve it" -Fee Carmichael (Planetes)

Love it!! Give us more like this!!

Nice to see Bablylon 5 getting a mention - great show, well ahead of its time. And of course, The Expanse rules! More on such subjects would be much appreciated.

Man i really cannot wait for THAT space battle in the expanse season 6

I was honestly surprised he never mentioned anything about sounds in space battles

@sherpajones

4 жыл бұрын

Or continuous engine thrust.

@ZrodyApo

4 жыл бұрын

I guess it would be weird to watch a movie or play a game where there's no sound at all from time to time

@benschuster9792

4 жыл бұрын

It has been said so many times and is quite obvious, most people know you can't hear anything in space they just ignore it as it would be boring without any sound

The distance aspects are one of the things that I greatly appreciate about 40k's space combat as explained in most of the novels (they still have a lot of other flaws but that aspect and the reliance on sensors, calculations, and surprise/stealth are far more realistic than most scifi movies or shows)

Good work guys, def part 2 and part 3, actually make a series about it

Why no rail guns nor black hole bombs?! Also why the cat face?! At 0:05

@nobleman9393

4 жыл бұрын

Rail guns are quite common in Fiction

@antonycharnock2993

4 жыл бұрын

@@nobleman9393 Rail guns actually exist but still experimental. Like the SABRE rocket engine.

@HolyknightVader999

4 жыл бұрын

If rail guns miss, the shots will keep going on until they hit something, even something friendly. A black hole bomb that goes out of control can destroy the whole battlefield and even the planet.

@adyne7887

4 жыл бұрын

Railguns are already getting developed by the US Navy, so it is possible that when space battles take place in the near-ish future railguns will be part of a combat ship. I don't know much about black hole bombs, but they seem like quite a lavish and irresponsible use of technology.

@HolyknightVader999

4 жыл бұрын

@@adyne7887 Railguns I can see being used, but they too can be dangerous. Say you miss your target, and you hit some other planet or ship in the near future. Pray you didn't hit a civilized world........

Battlestar Galactica did a pretty good job of showing how dogfighting in space would look

@piotrd.4850

4 жыл бұрын

In their own opinion, I think.... any approach on realism of 'space fighter' started and ended with B-5 Starfury. BSG was so self-absorbed at bashing Star Trek and other franchises, that they happily disregarded artificial gravity (how?), protecting navigation equipment in combat, moving gianormous mass of battlestar with _reaction_ engines and not managing waste heat or breaking using bullshit unobtainium, disregarded orbital mechanics in miniseries alone...

@gammaechofoundationproductions

4 жыл бұрын

@@piotrd.4850 Piotr, your comment about neo-BSG bashing Star Trek and other franchises is well taken, bravo! :) Also, it didn't help that none of the characters were very likable, with the exception of Galen and Anders. In regards to how the Galactica managed to acquire artificial gravity, well, perhaps they incorporated super conductors or mini black hole technology. Isn't it interesting that neo-BSG initially prided itself on gritty realism and adherence to science, but then the writers began smoking pot and introduced "angels" into the show? ;)

@anytimeanywhere3646

4 жыл бұрын

Im actually watching Battlestar Galactica right now on amazon prime. So far its not making a good impression on me compared to other sci fi series.

At 7:54 I just love how a clip from The World's Fastest Indian (IMHO a very underrated film from 2005 starring Anthony Hopkins) found it's way into a segment about space combat. That's awesome! Thanks for that!!

great content a part two would be awesome!

Thank you for mentioning Babylon 5. The best Sci Fi series to ever grace TV.

Missed a big point, space battles will be incredibly similar to submarine battles.

@thomashiggins9320

4 жыл бұрын

Not really. Submarines are amazingly good at hiding between thermal layers and using the ocean currents to conceal their presence. That won't happen in space. The background temperature in space is just a few degrees above absolute zero Kelvin. The heat from the life-support systems, alone, will cause a ship to stand out against that backdrop like a cigarette lighter flicked on in a top tier seat of a blacked-out stadium. If you're looking in the correct direction, you'll spot it, immediately. And if you don't see it, immediately, just turn your head until you do.

The best space combat I ever read was in The Forever War. In the story, combat was fought by the ships combat computers while the crew were in statues so that they wouldn't be compressed down to jam particles during counter maneuvers. Ships were fighting at the speed of light and it took weeks for the ordinates to reach their targets and they would detonate millions of miles from their targets and the target would fly helplessly into the blast.

thank you for doing this video. its hard for people to grasp just how different space is from terrestrial mechanics, scifi was what made me go into aerospace engineering, and to focus on the space aspect of it. one thing i would like to point out that in space combat it's not just the distance that increase, but also the time factor, attacks have to be planed out and done days in advanced. even at close ranges the difference in velocities of competing spacecraft would mean that the tracking or even movement of turrets might no be fast enough to compensate for the lead times needed. also the accuracy needed becomes a real problem as small errors in even natural perturbations in orbits need to be taken into consideration (the changes in orbits cause by the non-spherical nature of planets, or even non-consistent point massed of objects need to be considered). and KSP is fantastic and a great learning tool, hell one of my TA's even made it a required program for my courses

In modern-day space travel movies, I've always been amazed at how loud the sounds (ships and explosions) are in the vacuum of space where there is no air to carry soundwaves.

@josephbirrenkott7993

4 жыл бұрын

Actually there is air. The particles are just insanely spread out. Go far enough away from a galaxy and it might be hours, days, or longer before you bump into the next particle, but it is out there. Also did you know that temperature is about AVERAGE kinetic energy of air molecules? Some are moving much faster, others much slower - like the edges of a bell curve. The center - where the vast majority lie - would be the 'temperature'. So while space is cold, there are also some molecules out there moving faster than most of the water vapor molecules in a covered boiling pot.

@Nyx_2142

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of that is explained as something simulating the sound.

@Nyx_2142

4 жыл бұрын

@@josephbirrenkott7993 Temperature isn't just about air molecules. I don't understand the point of your random rambling of word vomit about it.

@josephbirrenkott7993

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nyx_2142 Sorry, but you need to do some research. In the "vacuum" of space, there are air particles. They are very far apart though - could be minutes, hours, days, etc. before you run into one... but they are still out there. This is a big reason why it can feel so cold. If you can't follow 2 simple connected concepts, that's not y fault. Don't "vomit" hate because you are naive.

@kylejohns2288

3 жыл бұрын

@@josephbirrenkott7993 space's density is approx. 1 hydrogen atom cubic meter. that is 1 proton and electron on average in space per meter that is exceedingly thin but thats why we call it a near vacuum. so no its not "air" its gas air and gas are not the same thing. air is a mixture of gases. with the density of atoms in space it is not a mixture in the way the term is generally uses and to say so is just a pointless semantic argument. you were however right about temperature and we actually use thermal telescopes to measure gaseous densities along with light diffraction to look at nebulae and dust clouds to assess the composition size and density. it is with tools like these that we find some of our most interesting discoveries such as a 330,000,000 light year across dark patch ( yes 330 million light years) that is essentially empty with bairly any light or matter in it and possibly the coldest part of the observable universe.

“I learned orbital mechanics from this little game called kerbal space program” Didn’t we all? Now if you excuse me, I will go launch some green aliens to mars.

@jeffhousen8968

4 жыл бұрын

I'm still working on that Moho return and getting off Eve

@chrisjohnston4445

4 жыл бұрын

I learned it from Orbiter.

@Nyx_2142

4 жыл бұрын

Children of a Dead Earth.

Nice to see you praising Babylon 5 for the way the Star Furies vector in flight. When you talked about engagement distances I was reminded of the B5 episode "Severed Dreams" where Ivanova's flight computer announces the distance between the opposing fleets, "800 kilometres...700" in real time, indicating a closing speed of some 50 km per second.

Great video. You should definitely expand on it!

Just realized on the bridge ambush in season 7 was technically a war crime ,!Anakin faked surrender to kill the enemy commandeer...

@Unsound_advice

4 жыл бұрын

deathbytouch shhh, was don’t talk about war crimes in the SWU.

@brainblessed5814

4 жыл бұрын

Geneva conventions havent been writen at that point in time.

@GenerationFilms

4 жыл бұрын

Jedi always pulled that nonsense Obi wan did it too

@theempiredidnothingwrong3227

4 жыл бұрын

I mean there were never actual mandated rules of war in starwars, like literally I can't recall the planets getting together and deciding what are actual rules of engagements. That said the Empire did nothing wrong.

@jovalin5939

4 жыл бұрын

@@GenerationFilms Obi-Wan did it as a distraction so others could defeat the enemy while he kept their leader away from the battle. That's significantly different than doing it to kill said leader.

Is that thumbnail maybe a screenshot from Star Wars: Empire at War Forces of corruption Specifically the REMAKE mod?

@aaravtulsyan

4 жыл бұрын

noo from BFII

@bouncer218

4 жыл бұрын

It’s from Battlefront 2 (2017)

@samwalsh9042

4 жыл бұрын

That's battle front 2

Yes and don't forget that line said by Kirk in The Undiscovered Country as the Klingon ship came up alongside the Enterprise, Kirk just stared at the ship saying, in a incredulaing voice, ''Never been this close", indicating their space battles were vast.

I'm impressed by how great a presenter you are. You sit at the right distance, you've got the right pace, you know your topic and give it the right amount of seriousness. You're one in a mil^W in a hundred thousand I would say ;-)

I'm very happy that Babylon 5 was mentioned.

10:50 they also had propellor and machine intervelometer type system that doesnt shoot when the propellor is infront of the machine gun. i have a war history book, and yeah it didnt make sense to me either.

@jayhom5385

3 жыл бұрын

Think of it as a car timing belt except instead of timing ignition it times when the gun can fire.

@nathanbrown8680

3 жыл бұрын

He's talking about before that. The first successful air to air kill firing through a propeller was April 1, 1915 using deflector wedges. The first air to air kill with functional synchronization gear was July 1, 1915.

Oh, forgot to mention, this is a - great - topic and I hope I see more videos from you on it. Wonderful content!

Great video I would love to hear more on this

If you're in a ship, and you're radically changing your direction of motion, I think banking would make a difference to the comfort of the pilot. ;-)

stares at Legend of the Galactic heroes anime, yup most accurate space combat in a scifi anime

Very interesting and informative, thank you.

Lost Fleet book series had an interesting take on space combat. Everything was between large capital ships moving at fractions of the speed of light. Because speed was so high all of the weapons control was handled by the computer so the main decider in battle was creative postioning as they made approach . Everything would happen way too fast for the mind to process and crew members could only sit there and hold their breath every time the ships made a pass. Didn't think it'd be an interesting take on space battles but learning about the ins and outs really made the book a fun read.

what you've brought up in this video is a common misconception that's been slowly injected into your brain by the lizard aliens in cahoots with the dolphins. Space, just like Earth, is completely flat because of the gread lord Xenu's decree.

@antonycharnock2993

4 жыл бұрын

No. ZARQLAN WILLS IT!!! 😉

@mightyman718

4 жыл бұрын

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

@gj9157

4 жыл бұрын

Tell that to Tom Cruise.

Battlestar Galactica and the Expanse handle space fights in a great way.

This is one of the more accurate, well thought out vids on this topic. Thanks!

Thanks for the reference to B5! Every time I have a discussion about space battle I point to that amazing series' fighter jets. And please more content of this kind, it was a great list!

i wonder how an EMP would work in space combat. Especially early on in space warfare where all systems are not shielded properly or at all. An EMP COULD play havoc on life support systems, weapons, navigation consoles and power generators/reactors disabling an enemy starship's capability to do ANYTHING in combat. While yes, your own craft COULD potentially get hit by the EMP as the blast radius from an EMP after a nuclear detonation varies from 40-400 kilometres, the risk is present, but engagements in space will typically span hundreds of thousands of kilometres anyway. Speaking about distance in space combat, an EMP launched from a missile could take minutes or hours to reach the target, by at which point the target would have moved or deployed counter measures. An EMP however unlike conventional missiles has a larger blast radius (assuming that the EMP originates from a Nuclear Detonation.) EMP's if not able to be used in offensive combat in vacuum could be used to "disable" habitats and colonies on other worlds in which the atmosphere is hostile to life, essentially choking the inhabitants to death as their life support and heating units are disabled by the EMP pulse. Alternatively they could be used as mines, scattered in the orbit of planets and detonate when an enemy ship trips off its sensors. Now this is all based on five minutes of research so im obviously not to be trusted, however, these are just some possible implementations of EMP's in space warfare and their possible value as offensive or defensive weapons. Would love it if someone could fact-check this for me, as i did only bother to research EMP's for five minutes.

@ethanlauder4887

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine EMPs would be a last resort kind of weapon. You know, the one you use when there's no other option.

Love this topic. More so since you praised B5 :-)

The Honor Harrington books do a good job at capturing the extreme ranges at which space combat will take place... while still managing to feel a little like Napoleonic-era naval combat (the early parts of the series are basically Horatio Hornblower in space). Missiles there can reach several million kilometers away, while short-ranged weapons like lasers still hit a target at tens of thousands of kilometers away. So you’re not visually targeting anyone. You’re shootings at a blip on a screen. And missile ranges get even more extreme as the series progresses.

Great video, please more!

Most of these space movies are more look cool then real science

@DonVigaDeFierro

4 жыл бұрын

That is most of sci-fi, except for the hardest.

@tylerjohn4607

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, Most sci-fi is more fantasy than sci-fi

@Chicken_Little_Syndrome

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. It's fantasy, not science.

Sound in space....enough said.

Thank you, thank you! Bringing real science thought to movies--especially science fiction and movies based in the future--is great!

positionality and execution on my mark. great vid man.