It's enjoyable to see an artist, not just a builder, doing this kind of work properly, not shodily. All those proportions and details are not only sturcutrally sound, but asthetically pleasing.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Amen. Thx.

I actually laughed when you said, "Corinthian columns: never use them!" Complete and utter genius. I love how you highlighted the fact that even "Victorian" houses adhere to the rules of proportion. I'm more of a High and Late Victorian nut myself, and I've come to the exact same conclusion studying A. J. Bicknell's millwork catalogues.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, Bicknell is a great resource. Thx!!

“Some will say, ‘But it will collect water.’ Stop it! Just stop it.” - Brent Hull

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Haha. True.

This is the education I had no idea that I needed.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I hope it helps.

The sixth secret is the easiest one to remember * follow and pay attention to Brent Hull since he has already done the research! Great video and thanks for sharing. 😁👍👍👍👍👍

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much.

You are doing great work here Brent. Educating and sticking to principles. You are a gift to architecture and building globally. Once you know you cannot unsee how many bad jobs are out there.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks and agreed!

Best channel on KZread, and it’s not even close

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

To me, a porch is another very important room in the house, and I live and work out there much of the year. "Go find a porch you love...."

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Thanks.

I one there was a reason I Haven't yet started remodeling. I had to come to class first.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Haha, welcome.

Always one of the best channels on this subject.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Great attention to detail

@BrentHull

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

I always enjoy your tutorials. As classic homes go I have noticed that you rarely see Corinthian columns . One that comes to mind ( yet no longer standing) was architect Henry Howard’s “Belle Grove” that once stood near Vacherie, La. Many thanks again, Brent!

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Good point! I discourage people from using Corinthian because it is very difficult to get that order right (proportionally as well as tectonically) on new homes. Historically there are many good examples. The rotunda at UVA is an example. Thx.

Thanks Brent. We are just finishing a new home with a craftsman porch. Got it right!

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

So glad to hear it. Cheers

Thank you for your wonderful channel. I studied architecture in Australia in the 80s and was penalised for designing symmetrical buildings (despite my lecturer admitting “this works really well! “) I had a wonderful History of Architecture lecturer who taught me the importance of proportion and geometry. Our education is severely lacking. Your teachings are so vital and much appreciated.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! I'm glad to hear it.

Was here for a Porsches discussion. But learned a lot.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Hahaha, good. g

Love it. So much to learn. I’ll have to watch this many times to catch all the wonderful points.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

I have noticed this about some homes I have seen and wondered exactly why they didn't look quite right but couldn't put my finger on it. Now I know what my eyes and brain are noticing. Very interesting and informative video. Thank you.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

It's like i've been to architectural school after watching your videos Brent; you are a wealth of knowledge and it's the right kind of knowledge.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

So glad to hear it. Thx.

Thank you for this educational information, the buildings are lacking in so much these days it’s information like this that can help future builders do it right

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! THx.

I just rebuilt a porch in Detroit and realized ALL the porches around here have the capital extending beyond the beam. I thought i had misaligned all the brick column footings until I realized what was going on. Pretty cool! Learning!

@BrentHull

2 ай бұрын

Nice. Thx for sharing.

Could you do a video on porches for less elaborate houses, i.e., farmhouse or the historic vanacular home. Tuscan columns with entasis on farmhouse seems like I'm doing something wrong.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Will do. Thanks.

This is fascinating stuff. As a lay person it's also very interesting reading some of the sentiment and concern about cost and who can afford this -- this is obviously already for people who are spending quite a bit and not about browbeating folks to break the bank on things they can't afford -- but as someone else wrote there are people paying these kinds of prices but receiving cheap designs, and they should really be getting better.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

That's the point. How do customers know the difference unless they can see it. Now at least they can ask for it. Builders should be able to do this without great cost.

Quick note on railings. The top of the rail typically lined up with (or a little shy of) the bottom of the windows.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Thanks.

Great video. I think the perfect porch is mandatory for a house to be right. And I need to get on CAD and direct some of my old drawings to incorporate this old, yet indispensable, method. Thank you Brent!

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Brent, I totally agree extending the capital past the column neck. However, I would be interested in how you might better weatherproof the top of this extension that nobody will see. Maybe a thin stainless sheet with sealant? What would Matt Risinger do?

@DrMJJr

6 ай бұрын

copper or ss sheet w/lexel

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I'll need to do a video, but historically we find thin sheet metal covers this well. Thx.

I’m in the process of replacing columns from a 1937 build. Thank you for the input!

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks, i hope it helps.

There's alot more to architecture than I thought!😮

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Yep! A lot more than I even know.

This is just plain outstanding, so very glad I found this channel, instant sub

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard! Thanks for watching.

Excellent information all in one place. Thank you! I now how to fix my porch :)

@BrentHull

28 күн бұрын

Glad it was helpful! THx.

Thank you for this. You're such a great instructor.

@BrentHull

3 ай бұрын

Thanks! I'm glad it was helpful!

Great talk, thank you!

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

👍 Thanks for sharing!

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Excellent.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Cusato's book _Get Your House Right_ is a great compact resource for getting these details right. Once you've had pointed out to you the correct traditional details, it's shocking how bad the poorly executed details on most modern houses look. Great video!

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. 100% its shocking. thx.

Great information Brent 👏🏻

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

Thank you very much for the class.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

Thanks for the info Brent 😃👍🏼👊🏼

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Any time! thx for watching.

I was ready to argue in the comments about Victorian architecture not following classical tradition until you said that you've looked at it and measured it. I'll definitely take a closer look at some of those era porches, hopefully with a tape measure.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. Let me know what you find.

Good stuff again. A good quick reminder through past videos on proportions as well.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Nice. Thanks for watching.

Wow.

@BrentHull

2 ай бұрын

Thx.

Thanks for sharing this Brent. We have a Greek Revival style porch that was added to our Italianate home many decades, if not a hundred years ago. Your content is an invaluable resource as we restore the historic elements of our house and try to uncover the home's history.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

So glad to hear it. Thx.

Amazing, I’ve been listening to the passion for craft podcast and love it. I just got onto your KZread channel and its top-class. Your video style of teaching and sharing building knowledge in this way is really unique to your channel and I really appreciate the detailed explanations. Its like going back to school but fun😂. Thanks a million

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

So nice to hear it. Cheers.

Thank you so much for these videos! So many of these details get glossed over in architecture school, and they are often not talked about in modern contexts like this.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Nice. good to hear. Thx.

As a 3D modeler, you are my new favorite person. If you sell flashcards for the vocabulary, ratios, etc., that you share in this show, please tall me where I can buy them RIGHT AWAY! I'm so glad I found your channel. Now I feel, after learning from you, that I will finally be able to have meaningful discussions with architects. Can't wait to learn more from your other videos. SIDEBAR 1: It would have been useful, if you know, for your best suggestion for how to address the porch rail when code requires it to be "too high" according to a classical model. Do you make the column's pedestal 40" high? Obviously not, but I feel you could tell me the right answer. If not, it's ok. Thanks for all the work you're doing here. Please keep it up.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

The trick is to make them the architecturally correct height but then add a thin bar to bring them to code. Also thanks for comments. Welcome aboard.

Thanks Brent, This was great. Charleston is my classroom for porches since every house there has one. I learn so much every time I go there. Still a bit uncertain on the engaged column/pier aspect since I have seen so many different things done. Not sure if there is an order for that part. Thanks again.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Charleston is a great lab for learning. I'm jealous. Pilaster should mimic the order for other columns, they are just square (no entasis) and engaged in the wall. Good luck.

Is there a proportion rule about how much taller the porch ceiling should be relative to the door it's leading to (or vs windows it shades)?

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Not really, Historic precedent can be quite varied, even between front and back of the same house. I find it is tied to hierarchy of the home. A tall porch is more grand and maybe the door is 7 or 8' tall. A back porch is simple and maybe the door is 6'8 tall. It is really managing the entire composition.

Excellent porch design tutorial. I see soooo many hacked porches and it ruins a front elevation.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I totally agree!

About porches, every new porch i see is vinyl columns, and either pressure treated lumber deck, or concrete deck. What should an old soul porch be made of? What kind of lumber?

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

We have begun using Accoya and Kebony for porch decks. We use a traditional 3 1/2" T&G porch floor with wood columns that breath. Good luck.

Thanks for this video Brent. Can you share the link to the video where you discuss water sitting on top of the capital? I had the same thought and would like to hear how this concern is addressed.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I don't address it in a video, someone brought it up in the comments. It is a non-issue (in that columns have been done this way for thousands of years) it just needs to be flashed properly.

@angellas.1314

6 ай бұрын

@@BrentHullCould you possibly do a vid on the flashing?

Maybe it will help me in rebuilding my back porch on my Craftsman home. Catch is it was enclosed and enlarged at one point. Trying to balance needs versus what was there at first, and how to even deduce what was there.

@tipr8739

6 ай бұрын

You can do half columns and then maintain a cornice, architrave and frieze. Then between the columns do something akin to wainscotting then put windows between what would be the chair rail if it were interior and the architrave. It will be distinct from the house as a porch is, and with the windows, maintain the openness of a porch, all while being enclosed

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I would start by peeling back to the original columns and using those as a starting place for design. Find historical photos- pre-enclosure- and use that for design inspiration. Good luck.

Where would you suggest purchasing columns from? What suppliers have you used?

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Chadsworth columns are architecturally correct. We have many of ours custom made. Thx.

Fantastic video. What do you do if you need a railing to meet code but it does not fit into the classical dimension? Can you do a video on tricks for that?

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I already have. Check out porches. Thx.

This video was unexpected in my feed no fault of yours I read it quickly and expected to see Porsches

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Haha. sorry about that.

complete gold...saved.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Nice! Thx.

It's funny you showed a picture of Monticello. I went there a few years ago and I knew about this concept back then. I find some of Jefferson's decisions questionable especially that porch. While it shows an entablature and the capitals stick out on the outside, there is no beam and it just supports a flat ceiling.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Hmm, I'll check it out. I don't remember that. Thx.

Lots to think about. Wonder what (if any) applies to.the typical ranch with 4x4 columns supporting a 4x12 beam, which in turn, supports a section of roof.

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

I think there is. Spend some time with the proportions and see what looks right.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Good question. There are simple columns (almost vernacular) which still are good. The ranch period is not really a classical style so it is on the edge for me. Thx.

👍

@BrentHull

5 ай бұрын

Thx.

Thanks Brent, is there a rule to the dimensions of the pedestal cap? Arts and crafts 1928, brick pedestals. I was going to have them overhang two inches around and four inches tall.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I think you mean Plinth and not pedestal. There is historic precedent for both. I would find one you like and go measure it.

I’m looking for an exterior stucco removal video if you have one. I bought a 100 year old single story house that has the old colonial style wood siding underneath. Originally it looks like it was a 2 room house with the lath and plaster walls. At some point, another wing was added much later with drywall for an interior covering. So my best guess is, they didn’t want the wood siding on the new addition for whatever reason and stuccoed the whole thing. If I remove the stucco, will it destroy the original siding underneath?

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Hmm, i haven't seen that before. I suspect it will, of course it depends how they applied it over your siding. Good luck.

I know you said the beam connection should have visual significance and not the worry about it collecting water, but I live in the Pacific Northwest and we get a lot of water year round. Will there really not be any long term impact on the structural integrity?

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

3000 years of building this way says no. Surely there is some roof overhang protecting this. AND you will obviously need to flash the capital. If you want, buy composite columns that are architecturally correct like Permastone from Chadsworth. They will not rot, you don't even have to flash them.

“Just stop it!” & FLASH IT!!!!

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Ok. Thx.

Where do you find columns with entasis? Especially 2 story exterior? It seems that everyone just makes the straight columns

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Chadsworth for one. Thanks

Unless it was a palace I don’t think a Corinthian or even composite would be appropriate. The Doric, Ionic and Tuscan are all perfectly suited to house porches. Even small to medium mansion porches.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Thx

Something I’m still trying to understand: the plinth block supporting the column is optional-yes? In your mock up, it makes part of the 8ft height. In an interior, it would mark the spot for a chair rail. But on an exterior porch, ground floor, that column would go all the way to the floor (and because we’re below the 1/3 mark on the column, entasis has already stopped. The diameter wouldn’t change at that low level-yes?) And, how far up on the plinth marks the height for baseboards (in an interior)?

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

I don't have the answer for all of this, but you certainly can have a column without the plinth. Then the porch or the foundation of the house are the plinth.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I think you are confusing the plinth with the pedestal. The pedestal established the height of the chair rail and hand rail height on a porch. It is also true that a column on a pedestal will have a thinner diameter which will effect the height. A column on a pedestal still has entasis. It is a proportional relationship that i will need to dig into on a separate video. The plinth is the block or base the column sits on and is typically short less (2-4") it often established a base board height on an interior. Watch my plinth video for more.

I guess a Victorian porch spandrel is just a very delicate way of expanding the entablature?

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

There is a lot of creative license but yes, that is the idea. Thx.

@sethhamilton5824

6 ай бұрын

@@BrentHull I am intrigued by Victorian style, like how it spread, how varied it is, and for the most part despite its variations, how captivating it is.

How/where do I find the people that want to build the right way?

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Great question. You need to be a student of your market and you may need to bring in someone from the outside who can help. Thx

My Monterey Colonial has no fancy stuff

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

True. The Monterey is vary basic but works well.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, it may fall into the vernacular category of colonial which is simpler.

I literally want a Corinthian columned house, can’t you just sketch me one Brent

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

You can find these delineated in various texts. You can even have then carved by a computer from marble if you got the bucks.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

You need to make sure the entire house can actually carry and work with this high styled order. I'm happy to help and you can send ideas to info@brenthull.com but the entire house, both inside and out should be very elegant. I don't want you to stick Corinthian columns on a house that should be Tuscan.

Could i call the woodwork below the roofline, ie. the fascia , crown, corbels, soffit, bedmold, frieze "entabulature" as well or is that just for porches?

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

I think Brent demonstrates in his video where this applies. The Greek and Roman orders are applied to the whole building, not just the porch. But in the American houses, the porch is where it is apparent with the columns.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Yes, historically in classical homes it was part of the proportioning for the exterior of the home. You see this most clearly in Greek Revival homes. Often pilasters, engaged in the wall support a full entablature at the top. Thx.

@MOUTHonesixtyseven

6 ай бұрын

@@BrentHull No, thank you. Appreciate it!

@MOUTHonesixtyseven

6 ай бұрын

@@pcatful Yeah, that's why I was curious. I've only ever seen the term entablature documented on porches. Thanks

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

I guess I'm thinking in a more general sense. The original Greek temples had the same entablature around the building, not just where the columns are--the portico. Same with Neo-classical public buildings. But that's apparently too formal or too expensive for most houses. @@MOUTHonesixtyseven

So, SO!! often i pull up to a new house and the porch beam is intentionally built wide enough to cover the capital on the column. It looks horrible!! If i happen to mention it, there's usually a guy who believes he's gone the "extra mile" that says "Oh we dont like that look here" Now i know who im dealing with at least...lol

@BrentHull

22 күн бұрын

LOL> Yes you do.

What about craftsman, many of these homes do not have the classical columns on the porches.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

I have a different video on tapered and craftsman columns. Thx.

Is entasis just another manifestation of counteracting perspective distortion of the human eye, like graduation of fenestration?

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

Yes. I think of the entasis as showing the "muscle" of the column and also the shape of tree trunks that formed the first columns. A straight column looks weak, and a tapered conical column is just weird.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Yes, that is part of it. Thanks.

Unfortunely our building code says railings need to be close to waist high. Ends up looking like you're in a baby crib! Horrible!

@TheSeriesofTubes

6 ай бұрын

Don’t make the porch 24” or more off the ground and you don’t need to. Or if you have to you can use glass or wire to cheat and maintain the visual proportion

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Residential code reads 34 1/2" to 42" in height. I don't know why so many builders go to the highest. I have many videos about this and there are ways to disguise this without building cages. Thx.

I love watching and learning so much . Can you stop saying “ OK “ constantly ? Really distracting . I wish more builders watched you and followed . Our country would be prettier !

@kurtvonfricken6829

6 ай бұрын

I don’t notice it at all. It is a style of speaking. “OK” is a way of adding a pause and emphasis into a train of thought.

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

Noted. Thanks.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm so tired of these new builds with the most ridiculous and meaningless columns!

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Amen.

Imagine my shame when I discovered my house was designed by peasants. PEASANTS! Can you even imagine?

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Haha, mine too!!

These rules do not apply to a Craftsman house. What are the rules for a Craftsman?

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

It's not the same. There aren't mathematical proportions-- it's more about the overall look. Craftsman is a later concept, whereas the proportions of Classical have been studied, copied, adapted, and abused etc. for centuries. Look at Brent's video on Craftsman. Generally Craftsman is going to be heavier looking and simpler, more low and horizontal. Measure a good-looking Craftsman porch. You will find elements like the capital and shaft are thicker than you think. Don't go light. There are lot of variations-- so of course if you get to architects like Greene and Greene, it's another story again. Also there CAN be classical looking columns in a Craftsman house but they are used less formally and mostly you'll see square columns with a straight taper.

@richardgano6809

6 ай бұрын

So what are the rules! Answer my question. I am all for systems that account for evolution. Just Answer the question!!!

@TheSeriesofTubes

6 ай бұрын

Yeah they do, the taper is entasis, they still need a capital, the entablature is less detailed but should exist, the pedestal is usually brick or stone. Craftsman houses were the last style to follow classical order.

@pcatful

6 ай бұрын

This is true! But also the Craftsman style comes from the Arts and Crafts movement and the reference are to vernacular buildings and simplicity that the "common man" can produce as opposed to simple replication of classical forms, or industrial milled materials. So these are not temples or ostentatious castles, but represent comfort , retreat, and shelter, more along the lines of modest cottages. Again, there are exceptions where the art has been transformed to something more sublime. @@TheSeriesofTubes

@BrentHull

6 ай бұрын

The craftsman house is so varied there aren't "rules" because they can vary so much. Essentially this style is a rustic/simple/vernacular style inspiration and the columns are strong and simple. From the square brick piers as columns. To strong piers with tapered columns, to strong pedestals with rustic columns. The rules that often still apply is that the neck of the column matches the beam height and the column dimension still is proportional to the height.

Seemed very helpful but I gave up after the 50th or so time you said “OK” at the end of a sentence. Verbal tics are easy to correct once they’re brought to a persons attention. Go back and review this presentation, OK? 😎 Otherwise good information.

@BrentHull

4 ай бұрын

Noted. Thx.