5 Reasons Why People HATE Pop Punk

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On this episode of Hate It or Love It, I’m examining 5 reasons why people hate the genre of pop punk. The tag was initially applied loosely to bands in the late 1970s into the 80s, but didn’t explode in popularity until the mid 90s with bands like Green Day and The Offspring carrying the torch. Even though the genre has faded in popularity, is it something worth hating?
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  • @BeyondARTV
    @BeyondARTV4 жыл бұрын

    How do you feel about pop punk? These are 5 general reasons I've found from diving through the intergalactic highway to find out why people seem to hate the genre so much...

  • @krystalalien3344

    @krystalalien3344

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a list of reasons why people hate Nu Metal?

  • @conormurphy4328

    @conormurphy4328

    4 жыл бұрын

    Vinteler Alin *50 minute video*

  • @Thesportsmusicgod

    @Thesportsmusicgod

    4 жыл бұрын

    Vinteler Alin good idea

  • @Thesportsmusicgod

    @Thesportsmusicgod

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also do one for post gurnge

  • @floralreads3601

    @floralreads3601

    4 жыл бұрын

    I love pop punk, but I can't stand the whiny 'pop punk voice' that some leads put on

  • @silent_cipher9308
    @silent_cipher93084 жыл бұрын

    The reason new bands aren't popular anymore is because pop punk fans won't let the go of the older bands. If the fans cant give the new bands a chance, this genre will never come back.

  • @Regent192

    @Regent192

    4 жыл бұрын

    you can say the same about metal fans

  • @adamgrayson8019

    @adamgrayson8019

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's Rock and Metal fans in general

  • @GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000

    @GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000

    4 жыл бұрын

    If the new bands sounds like 00s bands then i give em a chance

  • @xjadit7826

    @xjadit7826

    4 жыл бұрын

    Greg Khar Punkerz no the genre dosent need to sound like it did 20 years go I don’t like the direction it’s gone in but I don’t want it to be the same shit over and over either we’ve had that already

  • @travisspazz1624

    @travisspazz1624

    4 жыл бұрын

    I just don't think the new bands are very good 🤷

  • @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125
    @quentinbringthenumetalchil51254 жыл бұрын

    *I hate this town, my parents, and life is crashing down around me intensifies*

  • @thereverse-flash9942

    @thereverse-flash9942

    4 жыл бұрын

    Quentin Childs *I IV vi V plays in the background*

  • @fujifilm5127

    @fujifilm5127

    4 жыл бұрын

    *insert any less than Jake opening*

  • @su3622

    @su3622

    3 жыл бұрын

    I started singing *it's so washed up and all my friends don't give a fuck*

  • @benjipc5637
    @benjipc56374 жыл бұрын

    There's a quote from Billie Joe Armstrong relating to 6:13: "You can take us out of punk but you can't take the punk out of us."

  • @IsasHappyHour

    @IsasHappyHour

    4 жыл бұрын

    yeah, they took out the punk themselves

  • @dreamofyouandi

    @dreamofyouandi

    4 жыл бұрын

    and then they released father of all

  • @redwanhossainrisann

    @redwanhossainrisann

    4 жыл бұрын

    man i have never heard any green day bad song untill father of all album.

  • @shshu1shcj132

    @shshu1shcj132

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dreamofyouandi I mean, its not *that* bad. Sugar Youth is a very good song. Other than that, I'm not a huge fan of the album

  • @pkrockin3923

    @pkrockin3923

    3 жыл бұрын

    Still listening to Greenday but only their pre-american idiot albums.

  • @_pseudo_embrace_
    @_pseudo_embrace_4 жыл бұрын

    part of me wishes pop punk could make a comeback but it probably won't happen ://

  • @ronstoppable5659

    @ronstoppable5659

    4 жыл бұрын

    The last pop punk adjacent song to hit the mainstream was Love Drunk by Boys Like Girls and that came out 11 years ago and the last full blown pop punk track to hit the mainstream was Misery Business, which came out 13 years ago, let that sink in

  • @megmeg2784

    @megmeg2784

    4 жыл бұрын

    I doubt we’re gonna see it for a while, but I have hope

  • @corktreeluvr

    @corktreeluvr

    4 жыл бұрын

    I am in a band I want us to be pop punk lmaoo

  • @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jason LovesABR Yeah.

  • @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jason LovesABR You could throw in The Story So Far, too, as their last album reached #19 on the Billboard 200. Also, Neck Deep’s, “The Peace and the Panic”, debuted at #4 on the Billboard 200 in both the US and UK back in 2017.

  • @ronstoppable5659
    @ronstoppable56594 жыл бұрын

    Different types of pop punk and where the bands belong: Skate pop punk: pre-Self Titled Blink, All Killer era Sum 41, The Offspring Power pop punk: Bowling For Soup, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan The poppiest side of the genre: All American Rejects, Boys Like Girls, early 5SOS, Busted, Nothing Personal-era All Time Low “Heavier” pop punk: Billy Talent, Does This Look Infected era Sum 41, Neck Deep (Before These god awful new singles), The Story So Far, A Day To Remember, Wonder Years “Emo” inspired pop punk: early FOB, All We Know-era Paramore Dark pop punk: Three Cheers-era MCR, Alkaline Trio Often mistaken as pop punk: Avril Lavigne, Panic! At The Disco Sad Boi pop punk: Knuckle Puck, Man Overboard, Real Friends, Mayday Parade (even though they were around, before that term was a thing) (That’s All I’ve got)

  • @josepablodeleon6073

    @josepablodeleon6073

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sadboi pop punk? Real Friends, Knuckle Puck, Man Overboard, Mayday Parade, etc.

  • @milipathiyil6044

    @milipathiyil6044

    4 жыл бұрын

    Isnt green day pop punk?

  • @LuciusGeronimo

    @LuciusGeronimo

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@josepablodeleon6073 Mayday Parade was a thing WAY before sadboi was a thing

  • @hatedplatypus8080

    @hatedplatypus8080

    4 жыл бұрын

    @fantastic Nevin I think they’re closer to punk rock

  • @ronstoppable5659

    @ronstoppable5659

    4 жыл бұрын

    @fantastic Nevin They are But I’m not sure where I would put them

  • @danielmorgan104dm
    @danielmorgan104dm4 жыл бұрын

    Pop punk was the first genre of music i really got into and for that i have much respect for the genre. GreenDay and Blink for example were the first bands i fully engaged with as a 10 year old hopefully the genre has a good future with some really good bands popping up such as Stand Atlantic and even Waterparks really bringing in a varied fan base

  • @madeleinep.828
    @madeleinep.8284 жыл бұрын

    It makes me laugh how a lot of people think that every pop punk song is like All Signs Point to Lauderdale by A Day to Remember.

  • @justuswilson9137
    @justuswilson91374 жыл бұрын

    I'm excited about the new era of pop punk! Stand Atlantic, Knuckle Puck, With Confidence, etc... are all killing it rn and I like MGK's new sound and how he blends his rapper personality with his rocker side. Even older groups like All Time Low and Blink are still killing it imo

  • @xjadit7826

    @xjadit7826

    4 жыл бұрын

    Blink? Realy their literally a parody of them selves at this point they’ve turned in to the Verry thing they made fun of when they were younger

  • @tracy1210

    @tracy1210

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tom Delonge decided to change cause he didn't fit in blink, now AvA is a great band but the new blink is not great. I'm not sure if I even should argue but you just need to listen to Nine to understand a lot of today's bands are better. I love blink but blink with skibba is not that great at all, even if it's not the worst band All in all it's just a matter of taste

  • @poppinfresh5261

    @poppinfresh5261

    4 жыл бұрын

    not mgk or yungblud. please god no.

  • @johnjacob3160

    @johnjacob3160

    4 жыл бұрын

    New era of pop punk??? Lol dude those bands gave pop punk a revival in like 2012-2017, but its already dead again

  • @PhoenixRiseinFlame

    @PhoenixRiseinFlame

    4 жыл бұрын

    In my humble opinion, Belmont is an underrated band in the genre.

  • @KoaAbyss
    @KoaAbyss4 жыл бұрын

    I honestly really like Pop Punk, though i'm pretty picky about it. Though, I'm loving the pop punk bands that have been fusing into different genres or adding new influences like Waterparks, Stand Atlantic, As It Is, and Broadside.

  • @mikeredwinski8875

    @mikeredwinski8875

    4 жыл бұрын

    This describes me pretty well, got into the genre pretty late (2016), can’t stand heavier sounds or late 2000s with whiny voices (sleeping with sirens )

  • @DuffyLONER64
    @DuffyLONER644 жыл бұрын

    I think my problem with a lot of pop punk is that a lot of it sounds very samey, with very similar riffs, guitar tuning, tempos, and drum patterns. There's definitely some good pop punk out there (like the ones you mentioned), but most just seem to fall into the same boat as modern rap for me.

  • @pkrockin3923

    @pkrockin3923

    3 жыл бұрын

    Check out the band named ALL if you want a non-generic pop punk sound. They're basically like a progressive pop punk band instead of a yet-another-ramones-clone.

  • @aristotleasparaguspodcast1129
    @aristotleasparaguspodcast11294 жыл бұрын

    Wait people hate pop punk? My 50 year old dad who loves 50s and 60s music loves pop punk. I don't understand why people wouldn't like it

  • @thereverse-flash9942

    @thereverse-flash9942

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sam Belcher It’s too simplistic any one could make it.

  • @ucopiedyibo1959

    @ucopiedyibo1959

    4 жыл бұрын

    And the vocals and guitar riffs

  • @sidzzz9165

    @sidzzz9165

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Reverse -Flash anyone can make grunge look at Courtney love lol

  • @thereverse-flash9942

    @thereverse-flash9942

    4 жыл бұрын

    SID Zzz Yeah but to get that sound is really difficult.

  • @thytoe

    @thytoe

    4 жыл бұрын

    cheesy commercialised punk for edgy teens

  • @mixeljackstudios6379
    @mixeljackstudios63794 жыл бұрын

    Pop punk is my favorite genre. Half of the bands I'm into follow that genre, and I made a pop punk band that Jon is aware of when we chatted once.

  • @somegingerdude8110
    @somegingerdude81104 жыл бұрын

    Pop punk got me into music

  • @evanhouser401
    @evanhouser4014 жыл бұрын

    For me personally I’m 100% a pop punk kid!! I love it so much!!

  • @muhamadkemal1999

    @muhamadkemal1999

    4 жыл бұрын

    U got my back bro

  • @jomomma4993

    @jomomma4993

    2 жыл бұрын

    L

  • @natalieshannon7659
    @natalieshannon76594 жыл бұрын

    Do videos on obscure genres of punk. Like Celtic Punk. Bands like Dropkick Murphys, Flogging Molly, The Pogues. Or do videos on Horror Punk (The Misfits) and Psychobilly. These genres of Punk never get talked about.

  • @thundervideoproductions283
    @thundervideoproductions2834 жыл бұрын

    I used to listen to pop punk, but now I listen to more “real”/hardcore/anarcho punk. I think what bothers those who listen to heavier punk genres is that when most people think of punk nowadays, they think of pop punk instead. If i were to tell someone i listened to punk, they would likely think i mean green day, blink 182, or any other similar sounding bands, even though that isn’t what i listen to. I just would like to see more people differentiating punk and pop punk.

  • @cedriclhomosapienfunky9160

    @cedriclhomosapienfunky9160

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly my feeling to mainstream Rap as well. When I say I listen to Hip-Hop, I mean MF DOOM, Grandmaster Flash, ICP or some Gorillaz songs, not Lil Wayne, Lil Pump or Cardi B (yuck !).

  • @spykidtinkertoy
    @spykidtinkertoy4 жыл бұрын

    Idk why but I want an edited video of this and it's just every time you say pop punk

  • @brennanterry5530
    @brennanterry55304 жыл бұрын

    Bowling for Soup literally had a song called My Hometown.

  • @dannyernstsst
    @dannyernstsst4 жыл бұрын

    Made me happy to see the Belmont love, they're one of the most innovative pop punk bands out there right now!

  • @eris.mp4

    @eris.mp4

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agree! I can’t wait to see what else they do as all their stuff so far has been so interesting

  • @dannyernstsst

    @dannyernstsst

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@eris.mp4 definitely! Ive had their latest ep on repeat for over a month

  • @tylerpetersen9494
    @tylerpetersen94944 жыл бұрын

    Pop Punk was my gateway drug into metal core and post hardcore. In the early 2000’s and even parts of the 2010’s a lot of these bands with different styles toured together. Is pop punk my favorite genre? I don’t know maybe. It’s definitely the one I’m most comfortable with and feel like I know the most about. I do owe pop punk music for bringing me into situations where I discovered other great genres.

  • @waifubreaks1572
    @waifubreaks15723 жыл бұрын

    Descendants did the whole "poppy" sounding punk thing without selling out, in the 80s.

  • @Amber_xo_133
    @Amber_xo_1334 жыл бұрын

    Pop Punk made a huge comeback

  • @Amber_xo_133

    @Amber_xo_133

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Mexican seafood Pop Punk made a comeback

  • @Amber_xo_133

    @Amber_xo_133

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Mexican seafood no

  • @dantemeza1
    @dantemeza14 жыл бұрын

    For me it dosen't matter, Pop Punk Or Punk it dosen't matter, they are both awesome in my opinion.

  • @CAVFIFTEEN
    @CAVFIFTEEN4 жыл бұрын

    Personally I usually label it all as rock music. All Time Low is hands down my favorite band and really got me into the scene. But even before them I loved Blink, Green Day, and BFS. I don’t really get the concept that “oh they’re too whinny”. Yeah, people have problems and they need artists and such to relate to in those times. And that’s the thing. If I were to say pop punk is one thing, it’s relatable above everything else. Most bands have artists that are just normal looking people singing about their hopes, dreams, fears, love, loss, etc. I live in Florida and I don’t care for it here so I can totally relate to to the “wanna leave this town and start a new life” kinda music. And come on! Who hasn’t had their heart broken, felt like the weird kid , hell even been the weird kid (or adult) and felt like they don’t belong and no one understands them? If you’ve never felt these things then I’m happy for you but those of us that are more emotional and deal with these things (some people daily) NEED people they can relate and look up to. I used to hate the term “emo” but now I love it because what does it ultimately mean? Emotional. And for me at least it’s amazing when you hear others express their emotions and you can think like “oh shit. They understand how I feel”. Hell The new emo rap is starting to grow on me because instead of being about “drugs, bitches, and gang life” (not saying all rap is but a lot of it’s out there) it’s about emotional highs and lows. Like Juice WRLD’s “Lucid Dreams” for example. And yes. I dig what MGK’s doing rn too. In regards to the gate keeping, yeah that’s a problem you get with all purists of all fandoms. I’m not sure if there’s a way to actually change that but I also wish people were more open minded. I love the twist on rock music that Waterparks brings to the table for example. They hate being called pop punk so I’ll refrain from that but they definitely have elements of pop punk for sure. Yet, Awstens’ delivery in a lot of the songs is very akin to rapping and they have a fair amount of electronic stylings as well. For those saying “it’s too simplistic, anyone can do it” first off, I implore you. Please. Go do it then if it’s so easy. Second, that’s definitely part of the charm. This idea that “hey these people are like me and maybe I have a chance at being as big as them and doing what I love for a living like they are”. That alone is so incredible and inspirational. And that’s ultimately why I say pop punk at its core is about one thing above all else. Relatability. For that, I believe it is extremely important that the genre continues and strives (unless something similar over takes it). But for now, I think it’s definitely here to stay.

  • @baileylanore

    @baileylanore

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is probably the best description of pop punk I’ve ever heard

  • @concertsintoronto
    @concertsintoronto4 жыл бұрын

    There’s a lot of new pop punk bands that are pushing the boundaries a bit or are at least getting there. Stand Atlantic, Between You & Me, Trash Boat, and With Confidence all have great debut albums! I’m also super excited for mgks new album too :)

  • @magdalenaformankova8053
    @magdalenaformankova80534 жыл бұрын

    Whiny and easy to make? And trap rap isn’t? Pop punk at least have some deep lyrics and guitars...

  • @poppinfresh5261

    @poppinfresh5261

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’d rather hear something relatable about a girl breaking up with me than hearing, money money drugs killing people screwing chicks n word n word.

  • @julianoseguera5887

    @julianoseguera5887

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kaden Lewis racist

  • @julianoseguera5887

    @julianoseguera5887

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kaden Lewis also sorry you don’t get money or girls bro

  • @dizzy6947

    @dizzy6947

    3 жыл бұрын

    Making trap beat is just as hard (maybe harder) as it is to make pop punk song

  • @jakefoster5611

    @jakefoster5611

    3 жыл бұрын

    you don't know what you're talking about. making beats IS hard. rapping IS hard. rap actually has A LOT of deep lyrics. lots of trap rap also has guitars. a lot of the newer trap rap is heavily influenced by pop punk and emo, and the lyrical content is much the same.

  • @JWinstonAU
    @JWinstonAU4 жыл бұрын

    Love pop punk. Fall Out Boy, All American Rejects, Paramore, Green Day and more have been some of the most memorable bands I've ever listened to. Although I like experimenting with Alt music a bit more, even Indie: Pop punk has a place in my heart.

  • @jameshowes9716
    @jameshowes97164 жыл бұрын

    You should definitely do a vid about Emo Rap that posits the same question

  • @Crawlingdreams418

    @Crawlingdreams418

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wish they could acknowledge "emo" rap for the "dark" kind that it is. Emo is too firm and can't be as diverse as metal is. Even nu metal has some ties to the roots. "Emo" rap doesn't.

  • @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Crawlingdreams418 Emo rap is as deep as a kiddie pool, in my eyes.

  • @kingzod8536

    @kingzod8536

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 well most emo rappers well the modern ones, are influenced by trap rap and not dissing trap but it's not the best genre, to be influenced by when making a emo offshoot of a genre.

  • @eris.mp4
    @eris.mp44 жыл бұрын

    Love the recommendations! Some of them are amongst of my favourites. Also curious to ask if The Story so Far has grown on you since you recommended them?

  • @sethbutler1958
    @sethbutler19583 жыл бұрын

    I didn't mind early punk like The Ramones, Buzzcocks, etc. But I hate it now...The emo pop punk and pop punk in general drives me insane. The fact that the genre is more popular than let's say, power metal, pisses me off like no other.

  • @_PuppetMaster86

    @_PuppetMaster86

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m with you on that. True punk to me are bands like The Sex Pistols, The Ramones, Bad Brains, The Clash (from 1977 to 1979), The Buzzcocks, Television, Bikini Kill, Black Flag, and The Damned. Many recent post-punk bands (Squid, Parquet Courts, shame, etc.) are doing more for punk than most if not all pop punk bands from the mid-90s and the 2000s.

  • @duncanwilson2392
    @duncanwilson23924 жыл бұрын

    'Pop Punk is an oxymoron. The two genres were never meant to mix.' Have these people heard of a band called Ramones?

  • @rodpunkrock7047

    @rodpunkrock7047

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, ramones, but descendents, schreeching weasel, jawbreacker too.

  • @TheMCzorro

    @TheMCzorro

    Жыл бұрын

    Sex Pistols as well

  • @ph03beuwu

    @ph03beuwu

    Ай бұрын

    sure, but the ethos is still anti-mainstream now. it evolved past the days of the ramones and the pistols

  • @philly_sports1558
    @philly_sports15584 жыл бұрын

    I personally love pop punk as a genre. Green Day, Paramore, Blink-182, Sum 41, and Rise Against (even though they're more melodic hardcore than pop punk) are some of my favorite bands. I also love my share of songs from Fall Out Boy, MCR, All American Rejects, New Found Glory, etc. I think the main reason why people dislike it is due to the similarity in lyrics as well as the fact that it takes an underground genre and makes it more accessible. It's why most metalheads tend to hate 80s glam metal. Personally, that doesn't mean much to me because a lot of these bands aren't trying to be hardcore like Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, or Misfits. They happen to write catchy songs with a lot of attitude with the instrumentation. Pop punk isn't supposed to be as complex or musically interesting as other genres (even though Green Day & the Fueled By Ramen bands wanted to push the genre's boundaries in the 2000s). It's its own fun little thing that I happen to really appreciate.

  • @TheJasonGabriel
    @TheJasonGabriel4 жыл бұрын

    returning to pop punk now is like reuniting with an old childhood friend you haven’t seen in years, nice to reminisce and feel nostalgic but it just isn’t the same anymore.

  • @griffinohara2794
    @griffinohara27944 жыл бұрын

    I feel like pop punk isn’t an oxymoron. The big 3 of 70’s punk (Ramones, Clash, Sex Pistols) were all pretty successful and to this day get airplay on rock stations. They were pop bands at the time. Punk only started to become an insular scene in the 80’s when the hardcore movement started to pick up steam.

  • @philly_sports1558

    @philly_sports1558

    4 жыл бұрын

    If no punk purists criticize The Clash for making obvious pop songs like Rock the Casbah or criticize The Ramones for having very pop-centric melodies, why do they criticize post-1990 pop punk bands for doing the same thing? It's totally hypocritical.

  • @griffinohara2794

    @griffinohara2794

    4 жыл бұрын

    philly_ sports Absolutley

  • @iliketrains3495

    @iliketrains3495

    4 жыл бұрын

    philly_ sports pretty sure some Clash fans hate Rock the Casbah. Joe Strummer even considered leaving the band after the songs success

  • @CAVFIFTEEN

    @CAVFIFTEEN

    4 жыл бұрын

    When something that only relates to people who consider themselves outcasts becomes mainstream, they feel like it was taken away from them as if they had a right to it in the first place. How comic purists react to the MCU is a good example of this. You can find plenty of this gatekeeping nonsense on places reddit and iFunny too. They’re currently doing it with ATLA (Avatar the Last Airbender) because it’s popular on Netflix now. Unfortunately it’s just they way things go once something originally niche becomes mainstream

  • @IH8AI

    @IH8AI

    4 жыл бұрын

    Identifying a genre by its popularity was always idiotic. The sound alone should define the genre.

  • @lincolnjezek4370
    @lincolnjezek43702 жыл бұрын

    The reason I hate it is because it ruins everything about punk rock. It takes that hard angry sound that was built up in the 70s and 80s and makes it accessible and cooperate

  • @outlikeabitch

    @outlikeabitch

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank you Pop punk didn't "evolve from punk rock" it evolved from pop and there's nothing wrong with pop music if that's what someone likes but it isn't punk rock Punk rock is rooted in anger and struggle, pop punk is rooted in mild inconvenice

  • @bluepinkman4785
    @bluepinkman47854 жыл бұрын

    Pop punk has so many talented musicians. The reason I think pop punk is hated is because the whiny vocal style, the same sound all over again and the songs get so annoying when you play it again and again.

  • @harizonflamingice3167
    @harizonflamingice31674 жыл бұрын

    I would be curious to see a reasons why about Post-Grunge since I feel that's the one genre I've never seen anyone defend. I wouldn't go as far as say I'm in love with it, but I feel there are also certain bands with that label that are better than some people give credit for.

  • @DeathRider1298
    @DeathRider12984 жыл бұрын

    I'm not too crazy about machine gun kelly's pop punk project but at least he's bringing some attention to the genre which imo is needed

  • @alex_flamer267
    @alex_flamer2674 жыл бұрын

    I'm not really a fan of pop punk except for Green Day. I feel I've outgrown it as a genre and I do feel a lot of it is pretty simplistic. But I do respect it's cultural relevance and how it can be a vehicle to exposing people to more interesting and challenging styles of music.

  • @robbiebrewer6153
    @robbiebrewer61534 жыл бұрын

    Pop punk is better than mumble rap

  • @JaretVincent

    @JaretVincent

    4 жыл бұрын

    Literally anything is better than mumble rap.

  • @Wheresthepepsibismol

    @Wheresthepepsibismol

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thrash metal is better than both of them f**king Slayer

  • @scovserbcurmudgeon6818

    @scovserbcurmudgeon6818

    4 жыл бұрын

    The sound of wet shit hitting a hardwood floor is better than mumble rap.

  • @idkanymore9869

    @idkanymore9869

    4 жыл бұрын

    Brindle Chihuahua Slayer music is boring in my opinion

  • @retronerds6884

    @retronerds6884

    4 жыл бұрын

    Okay but mumble rap isn't the major form rap or the most popular lyrical or conscious rap is

  • @mcdalek2233
    @mcdalek22334 жыл бұрын

    There's a pretty good band from Australia called Yours Truly who have this kind of Pop-Punk vibe. Figured I'd give them a mention :)

  • @rrmgnnn

    @rrmgnnn

    3 жыл бұрын

    i agree!!!

  • @labibchy1423
    @labibchy14234 жыл бұрын

    Make one of these vids on modern rap.

  • @theseth455
    @theseth4554 жыл бұрын

    Even though it’s become one of my favorite genres of music over the past 4 years, I can definitely get why some people dislike or even hate pop punk and especially for the reasons pointed out here.

  • @po0p587
    @po0p5874 жыл бұрын

    Personally, I just call anything that sounds punk, punk. That way no one can complain.

  • @mrsaturn12
    @mrsaturn124 жыл бұрын

    I get the last point but also hate it cause I've never liked the idea of hating something because of it's fandom. Cause let's be real...most fandoms for anything, be it a band, a genre of music, a tv show, a game, etc. are almost always toxic in their own way. Or at least have toxic people in them. Either way my only issue with pop-punk has been that some artists are just very derivative of others in the genre. That said you get acts like Say Anything or Brand New (sorta) or PUP or something that distinguish themselves

  • @stevenator7313
    @stevenator73134 жыл бұрын

    What music visualizer do you use to listen to music? I might need one

  • @ARTV-

    @ARTV-

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kauna.

  • @Metal-Theory-Reacts
    @Metal-Theory-Reacts4 жыл бұрын

    Nobody hates Pop-Punk just ask all my friends.

  • @ph03beuwu

    @ph03beuwu

    Ай бұрын

    your friends dont, a lot of people do lmao

  • @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125
    @quentinbringthenumetalchil51254 жыл бұрын

    I love your suggestions and recommendations. I would recommend them myself!

  • @ArtsykatDCH
    @ArtsykatDCH4 жыл бұрын

    also I’m a Kpop Stan and I agree on how Kpop fans gatekeep lmfao. well the things you do for your faves I guess

  • @jackgatti8643

    @jackgatti8643

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't like K pop, but at least they are doing very good things on twitter right now.

  • @silent_cipher9308

    @silent_cipher9308

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a kpop fan too and it's kind of sad when the minority group of a large fandom gets all the attention and they make us all look bad

  • @xxshadowolfexx5730

    @xxshadowolfexx5730

    4 жыл бұрын

    o! i knew i couldn’t be the only person who liked both pop punk and kpop (:

  • @NESADDICT
    @NESADDICT3 жыл бұрын

    What are your thoughts on saves the day, taking back Sunday, brand new, the used, and stray light run?

  • @rockerdude8289
    @rockerdude82894 жыл бұрын

    I love pop rock, pop punk, alternative rock, "pure" pop and contemporary R&B. I hate EDM and dubstep.

  • @ChariKat213
    @ChariKat2134 жыл бұрын

    Although my music taste was founded on pop punk back when I was in high school and still has a place in my heart plus my fashion style is still influenced by it at my age of 27, I haven't listen to it as much over the years due to my music taste expanding into other directions especially into more electronica type music and now listen to a lot of electro rock/synthpop/new wave/industrial, Japanese pop/city pop/future funk, video game OSTs from Nintendo/Sega/Retro/Indie stuff, and older alternative and classic rock. I can see where people are coming from on why they hate it. I also didn't know until now that Halsey and MGK are trying to bring back that pop punk sound as I stopped following top 40 chart pop music many years ago.

  • @kingchuckfinley
    @kingchuckfinley4 жыл бұрын

    Stand Atlantic, Knuckle Puck, Belmont, Hot Mulligan (my personal favorite jam right now,) Neck Deep (specifically “Life’s Not Out to Get You”) there are a ton of great up and coming pop punk bands these days that are really making good music and definitely more technical music.

  • @alwaysoctober8635
    @alwaysoctober86354 жыл бұрын

    Bonsai trees eh? You give me something new, I give you something new. Junior Battles (very underrated act)

  • @RanterInShades
    @RanterInShades4 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Pop punk is part of my big 3 with prog and alt metal. I love the feel and the sound, and there can be some cool riffs and interesting progressions. That said, along with #5 being a thing with pretty much every genre, I feel like #3 is the only valid complaint to have with pop punk since I feel a lot of people within the community feel like you need to commit to a formula in order to truly be pop punk, and that's something I think holds the genre back from growing. One reason why Bayside is one of my favorite bands is because they don't fall into that trap. Outside of that, I always rolled my eyes at the purists and the stereotyping.

  • @frozendecembermoon
    @frozendecembermoon4 жыл бұрын

    I agree with a lot of your opinions in this video. Have you ever listened to the Descendents? (They also considered, by a good amount of people, purveyors of pop punk).

  • @OneHappyGuy182
    @OneHappyGuy1824 жыл бұрын

    First band named in the pop punk genre, stand Atlantic, thank god they are getting some recognition, they are so good

  • @CloneOfDannyTV
    @CloneOfDannyTV4 жыл бұрын

    I’d agree with some of these statements as someone in a pop punk band about to drop our album I feel now it’s all about standing out. We as a group all like hardcore so we have hardcore elements in our songs but there’s only so many notes you can play so it’s hard to recreate the wheel too.

  • @Pooky1991
    @Pooky19913 жыл бұрын

    I would say, much like with metal, the fans and gatekeeping is why some people hate the genre. Newer acts being shit on by fans who gatekeep what the genre is about or clang on to older acts so the genre never gets a chance to revive itself or evolve. Rap/hiphop gets the same treatment to an extent, but not as badly which is why we still see rap and hiphop in the mainstream with different subgenres appearing. Who knows, we might see a comeback

  • @mateoiturralde8661
    @mateoiturralde86614 жыл бұрын

    which are the bands that he named in the beginning?

  • @Rgemma1019
    @Rgemma10194 жыл бұрын

    I would love to see an episode like this for metalcore

  • @MrJordwalk

    @MrJordwalk

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed! Especially for Metalcore in the 2010s.

  • @Wheresthepepsibismol

    @Wheresthepepsibismol

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed

  • @ArtsykatDCH
    @ArtsykatDCH4 жыл бұрын

    BRUHHH POP PUNK IS ONE OF THE BEST GENRES. I grew up with this and even though it’s kinda dying I still love it so much.

  • @thereverse-flash9942

    @thereverse-flash9942

    4 жыл бұрын

    ujungxluv I feel like the main reason anyone likes it is because of nostalgia.

  • @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125

    4 жыл бұрын

    ujungxluv It’s not dying. It’s just underground.

  • @muhamadkemal1999

    @muhamadkemal1999

    4 жыл бұрын

    U got my back!

  • @skrrskrr
    @skrrskrr4 жыл бұрын

    I mean, Pop Punk is what introduced me to Punk. I, actually, think it's my favorite genre of music. Yeah, most of it sounds similar with similar themes, but I kind of don't mind that. When I listen to Pop Punk, I usually know what I'm getting in to, even if I've never heard the song before. You can dislike that, sure, but I like some certainty in my life.

  • @LazyGenerationBand
    @LazyGenerationBand4 жыл бұрын

    Every phase of pop punk is legit imo! Every new band that releases new music such as Neck Deep, Stand Atlantic, State Champs, etc, keep bringing value to the genre. Also, we're crossing our fingers in hope that MGK encourages a new pop punk mainstream revival 🤞 Note: We're a pop punk band from Portugal, in case you're interested 😋🙏

  • @hippieghostmyke9596
    @hippieghostmyke95964 жыл бұрын

    I think I’ve experienced way more gatekeepers then fan boys, but I definitely get it. I was never a die hard pop punk fan but I was for Easy Core so they kind of go hand in hand

  • @stjacousticpower
    @stjacousticpower4 жыл бұрын

    Always the truth Jon.. keep Rocking 💚🤘

  • @silent_cipher9308
    @silent_cipher93084 жыл бұрын

    5 reasons why people LOVE kpop 5 reasons why people HATE kpop

  • @thankuslay6766

    @thankuslay6766

    4 жыл бұрын

    Reasons people love K-Pop 1. Been tired of boring Western popstar and mumble rapper 2. Having good live performance, outstanding stage presence and energetic choreo 3. Makes people wanna ''dance'' even though they don't know any single word 4. K-Pop is visual music, so it does entertain our eyes 5. K-Pop idols are talented, trained hard and discipline Reasons why people hate K-Pop 1. They all look the same (the concept, the hairstyle, the look) 2. Lipsyncing *not always 3. The way label treats idols (idols=puppet) *not always 4. Tight competition and strict rules 5. Plastic surgery

  • @xxshadowolfexx5730

    @xxshadowolfexx5730

    4 жыл бұрын

    people’s misconceptions about the fanbase are definitely a hate reason

  • @MrBlackmore_
    @MrBlackmore_4 жыл бұрын

    What’s the song in the intro?

  • @ARTV-

    @ARTV-

    4 жыл бұрын

    Link is in the video description

  • @FabulousKilljoy
    @FabulousKilljoy4 жыл бұрын

    Sad boi pop punk is my life lol

  • @LambTAFFF
    @LambTAFFF4 ай бұрын

    Thoughts about Jeff Rosenstock and his old band Bomb The Music Industry?

  • @addiefalloutgirl313
    @addiefalloutgirl3134 жыл бұрын

    damn I think I'm a fake poser cause I don't mosh xD Stupid knee that makes me scared of getting close to big crowds

  • @ph03beuwu

    @ph03beuwu

    Ай бұрын

    u dont have to mosh to be a "real" punk. its a big part of the culture but its okay not to partake in it

  • @OmegaRaptor2
    @OmegaRaptor24 жыл бұрын

    While I don't listen to a lot of Pop Punk, I can really understand some of these critiques. Now that I'm seeing this, I'd like to hear you talk about 5 or more reasons why people hate Nu-Metal. I say/suggest Nu-Metal specifically because it seems to be the genre that gets the most hate by metal elitists and people in general who like Heavy Metal music.

  • @0pher545
    @0pher5454 жыл бұрын

    I think it’s really cool that artists like MGK, Halsey, and Yungblud are taking the style and turning it into mainstream hits. I think this also proves that the idea of a solo artist is more marketable than a band.

  • @MrChristbait
    @MrChristbait4 күн бұрын

    I love UK hardcore which is a lot different to US hardcore. Where do you rate Bad Religion? I love them,but are they punk or pop in your opinion?

  • @justinmukai
    @justinmukai4 жыл бұрын

    Really happy you shouted out capstan, those dudes are sick

  • @nathanreddent2427
    @nathanreddent24273 жыл бұрын

    I love pop punk. Old and new. What do you think about As it is?

  • @RevStickleback
    @RevStickleback3 жыл бұрын

    There's another reason why it's almost fashionable to hate pop punk - it's melodic. The very term 'pop' punk is almost a derogatory description...ie. it's not real punk, it's pop punk. Pop, and melody in general, is seen now as something "those crappy mainstream songs have" so the tendency for bands and fans is to steer away from melody and go for something more extreme instead. It's crazy. The Ramones were melodic. The Damned were melodic. Even the Sex Pistols were melodic. Punk was effectively old rock & roll on steroids. It was only later, in the 80s, that hardcore punk redefined what a lot of people in the USA call punk. I would concede that a lot of pop punk bands from the very late 90s onwards did sound incredibly generic, and the vocals were whiny in their delivery, but I think if bands of all genres could lose their fear of writing a song that's 'catchy', the music world would be a better place.

  • @Tarascott-vq9uq

    @Tarascott-vq9uq

    11 ай бұрын

    People secretly love catchy melodies but openly hate it as they realize that's what people love, so liking it doesn't make you look "edgy" enough Make zero sense but that's what punk rock poser mentality all about: It's just about image and identity, music doesn't even matter, the real reason why punk is dead, and well deserved

  • @RevStickleback

    @RevStickleback

    11 ай бұрын

    @@Tarascott-vq9uq Metal has gone down that same route, but somehow it retains a degree of popularity - maybe because there are big metal bands still playing and drawing fans in. With punk, the attitude seems far worse in the USA, where many seem stuck with the idea that it's aggressive hardcore or nothing. In the UK, in contrast, Rumkicks could all but fill the main hall for a terrible 2pm slot at the Rebellion Festival, despite them being women, playing catchy punk, and usually not even singing in English.

  • @Tarascott-vq9uq

    @Tarascott-vq9uq

    11 ай бұрын

    @@RevStickleback In the other hand metal is still envolving, despite being controversial, djent is the new thing, originated from a subgenre which nickname is "musical wankfest". I guess diversity can really keep a genre live

  • @gingerpt5714
    @gingerpt57147 ай бұрын

    I used to hate pop punk, but after listing to green day, ever since then I have been loving pop punk

  • @Sipeo.
    @Sipeo.3 жыл бұрын

    Sipeo - I’m Dead! New Pop Punk

  • @rilo7167
    @rilo71674 жыл бұрын

    7:40: Punk in general

  • @LonelyJuan
    @LonelyJuan3 жыл бұрын

    I love it all, if it sounds good to my ears then I’m rocking out to it regardless of criticism🤷🏾‍♂️💯💯

  • @theprettyoftheodd7997
    @theprettyoftheodd79974 жыл бұрын

    There's a few songs that actually talk about loving their hometown

  • @Zimuahaha
    @Zimuahaha4 жыл бұрын

    I love a lot of pop punk bands! I don't get why people get so upset about other peoples' musical tastes.

  • @stuartgrayis
    @stuartgrayis4 жыл бұрын

    Love me some pop punk

  • @Greg-in-Orange
    @Greg-in-Orange4 жыл бұрын

    I think I’m kind of detached from the scene. I’m a huge fan but literally none of my friends are. I had no idea this was the stereotype of the community. At concerts, I tend to strike up conversations with people around me and I’ve never felt anything but welcoming positivity, so this video was surprising. I’ve never experienced gate keeping. Hopefully I’m not alone!

  • @Wheresthepepsibismol
    @Wheresthepepsibismol4 жыл бұрын

    I'm into Thrash Metal, Power Metal, Speed Metal, Classic Heavy Metal, Prog Metal and some Numetal I like early blink-182 and Green day songs like Longview which is my favorite Green day song because of the bassline I think people hate Pop punk because of the Vans warped tour and other reasons like the Pop punk clothing style of the late 90's and early 2000's

  • @rosakami65
    @rosakami654 жыл бұрын

    Knuckle puck are my favourite pop punk band at the moment. 👏💕

  • @missstar219

    @missstar219

    4 жыл бұрын

    yup

  • @milliemaehendrie597
    @milliemaehendrie5974 жыл бұрын

    Another new pop punk band that is worth everyone's time who like the genre are Last Night Saved My Life. They are quite a small band but they are just so talented.

  • @ibnudjafar1436
    @ibnudjafar14363 жыл бұрын

    Pop Punk Is Getting To The Present Era, Sounds More Modern And In My Opinion, It Is Increasingly Becoming A Pure Pop Song.

  • @danielleivars3620
    @danielleivars36204 жыл бұрын

    I kinda agree with number 3

  • @drummerAVA
    @drummerAVA4 жыл бұрын

    Basically for me, it was great when the genre exploded when I was younger... I still enjoy a lot of the bands I grew up listening to, there’s a few decent bands out there now, a few great tunes coming out of the scene here and there, but it’s definitely sort of plateaued sonically. That’s why I’m such a fan of Tom Delonge, he’s always been trying to push the genre further, bring in more eclectic and modern sounds, he’s always been kind of on the cusp of (modern) new-wave if you know what I mean. Hoping the new AVA album delivers... Now it’s like all I see anymore are a bunch of bands still just wanting to play their guitar and drums and not do anything to expand on the music. I’ll give Belmont some props though with some of their stuff, some of their instrumentals really break into prog-metalcore territory, something like ERRA, and that’s pretty dope... but man, there’s not a whole lot of genuinely interesting things going on in the genre anymore. Just bands pumping out more of the same and legacy acts putting out glorified throwback/legacy albums or whatever... Been there, done that.

  • @bro-rm5xo
    @bro-rm5xo4 жыл бұрын

    I have nothing against pop punk... but I hate it😂 To me, the genre simply does not appeal to me. The vocals are consistently annoying to my ears. They are either whiney sounding or the cheesy chorus melodies just repulse me. I do like a lot of post punk and more unhinged punk but I wouldn't consider myself an elitist. Music is all subjective and while I hate pop punk, I would actively encourage anyone who loves it to keep listening! I'm of the mindset of spreading the love of MUSIC as a whole, not just a genre.

  • @CAVFIFTEEN

    @CAVFIFTEEN

    4 жыл бұрын

    And because you can be open minded, understanding, and accepting of the fact that while something isn’t for you doesn’t mean it’s bad so you can let others enjoy it, you are going about this in the right way. As such I can honestly say I respect your opinion yet disagree. To each their own.

  • @adrianbenfield
    @adrianbenfield4 жыл бұрын

    Pop Punk is the best.

  • @NutsNBolts-fv9kx
    @NutsNBolts-fv9kx3 жыл бұрын

    Most of the 90s and early 2000s stuff are kinda awful to me, but the more modern, indie rock-influenced artists have their gems

  • @tinabelcher3722
    @tinabelcher37224 жыл бұрын

    I love pop punk and I don't care what anyone else thinks. I pretty much only listen to rock, all types of rock, but pop punk will always be an important genre to me.

  • @siddycanines6251
    @siddycanines62514 жыл бұрын

    pop punk is all about home town beauty, nothing can beat that too.

  • @emocobra666
    @emocobra6664 жыл бұрын

    yes bonsai trees from my state i know nick

  • @thebigbrain2760
    @thebigbrain27605 күн бұрын

    Punk rock elitists disliked the shit out of it.

  • @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844
    @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord68443 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, I’m mostly a fan of R&B, soul, funk, rap, jazz, and electronic. Not big into most heavy rock stuff, but in moderation it’s okay, I like Ska Punk and Nu Metal for example. Edit: outdated because I occasionally listen to other kinds of heavy rock music

  • @_PuppetMaster86

    @_PuppetMaster86

    2 жыл бұрын

    When you say “heavy rock”, do you mean “Led Zeppelin heavy” or “Black Sabbath proto-doom metal-type heavy”? Pop punk is the lightest rock-related genre you can think of. Not heavy in the slightest? It’s faux-punk.

  • @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844

    @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844

    2 жыл бұрын

    @The Hive Productions That makes no sense. Have you ever heard of soft rock? Pop rock? Folk rock? Rock and Roll? Pop Punk is way heavier than any of that. I think you have the idea in your head that heavy always means good, but it doesn’t. Most Pop Punk is crap, and that’s heavy, same with a good amount of the heavier end of metal because by then it’s mostly shrieking and mindless noises, grindcore or whatever. Meanwhile many amazing music genres and bands exist that are not even slightly heavy