Hey guys, please keep in mind that I love and play both Retail and Vanilla WoW. Legion has been one of the most enjoyable expansions to date and I’m super hype for BFA. Vanilla will always have a special place in my heart and this is my small contribution to the conversation. Thanks for everything.

@jasonharvote4093

6 жыл бұрын

Kargoz who exactly are you talking to in the video? Retail players and blizz dont care about new players and old players know what your talking about already retail wow doesnt care for new or old players so i dont see why you feel like sharing this info as if its new or anybody cares when a new players steps in wow hell see a broken non progressive game and story that makes no sense.

@sdwone

6 жыл бұрын

Great vid Kargoz!!! And don't listen to the numbskull above me. I definitely, 100% totally agree with your opening statement. Legacy serves AND retail CAN coexist peacefully... And gives every player a right to choose how they wish to enjoy the game, either as it currently is (and that's fine!) or as it was (and that's fine also!) This was the fundamental problem with modern WOW... I'd say post Lich King... It was simply evolving way too quickly to cater for a bigger, dare I say... More dumbed down audience with short attention spans, patience, lesser general intelligence and challenging social skills (numbskull above probably fits into that category!). I.e. Blizzard got greedy and began aiming the game towards players who normally wouldn't go anywhere near a classic RPG PC games... Heck... Didn't they plan (or are planning) to bring WOW to the consoles?! This was a Masterstroke by Blizzard! Now, moving forward, let us all hope that this will finally put to bed these tiring Internet flame wars about which WOW was better. One can just go now and play the game as they wish... Regardless!

@jasonharvote4093

6 жыл бұрын

John Doe if it can coexist why classic is being made just now as in 2 years into the future when its finished and ready to play? Youre just assuming the game can coexist as its not even out yet so you cant say for sure i belive classic will have a couple players as its old aged and broken.

@sdwone

6 жыл бұрын

In a way... Legacy WOW servers have coexisted... Sure, such servers were deemed illegal by Blizzard but, the fact that Blizzard has heard this particular demographic that prefers to play the "classic" version of this game, just goes to show how DIVERSE the WOW player base actually is. Hence ALL these constant flame wars!!! Be pessimistic if you want but, I choose the contrary. And besides.... You DO know that if Blizzard doesn't pull this off, it won't be long before another "illegal" legacy server will pop up to simply coexist with the mainstream ones... Right?! I seriously wish people would "get it"! Just like it's utterly foolish to try and put all human beings into one box... It is also equally foolish to assume that ALL WOW players are the same. We're NOT! Indeed I would go as far to say that, given Blizzard's success, especially at the height of it's subscription numbers, the player base grew so vast that when Blizzard evolved the game as they did, it should have come to no surprise that an inevitable split would follow suit. Blizzard has now finally taken a bold (and yes RISKY!!!) move to try and re-address this imbalance.

@LichlordKazam

6 жыл бұрын

Retail is food for the eyes and brain. Vanilla is food for the soul and heart.

Every single word hit home. I played WoW pre-release beta and almost ruined my degree playing vanilla 12-16 hours a day, becoming one of the first mages on the server to get full Netherwind. I quit when I got a job and had kids, as did many of my guildies . I couldn't get the same satisfaction only playing for a few hours 2-3 times a week. WoTL had just launched as well and the game had changed. This video sums up everything that made Vanilla WoW great, but the three ones I want to highlight: 1. Community - Your guildies become your best friends, you spend so much time together, hours doing quests for lower level guild mates that gain you nothing other than helping a friend. You have to strategise like crazy. Sure the boss fights were less complex than modern WoW, but 40 players, 3-4 hours, sometimes endless wiping. You talk about rl, you learn about the person behind the pixels. My housemate even flew from London to Stockholm to spend the weekend with some guildies. On top of that the whole server is a community. Everyone knows the great players, the top guilds, the gankers, the PvPers. You are someone. 2. World PvP - The video brushed over this, but for me the most heart pumping moments happened in World PvP. Whether it be a random 1on1, a provoked Tarren Mill v Southshore, or 2 guilds of opposing factions outside an instance, it was awesome. No engineered arena, you were always on your toes when questing, wondering if that rogue you saw 10 mins ago is secretly lurking. Hearing the cry over world defence "The crossroads is under attack" and jumping on a flight from Orgrimmar to go and help out those level 14s getting tanked whilst trying to level up, because you remember what is was like, and because it made you feel powerful to see some lvl 40 hunter picking off your horde comrades, and you can swoop in and 1 shot him with a fireball into his stupid dwarf face. Or maybe you find yourself outgunned, so you call in your guild mates, suddenly a few hours are wasted fighting these intruders. Awesome awesome awesome. Oh, and two more words: Alterac Valley 3. Humbled - Could not pick a better word. You have to immerse yourself into this massive world, and because of the limited travel options you really do know every nook and cranny of the map because you literally spend hours grinding, questing, killing, fishing, skinning, mining....running, riding, taking a detour because you know there are often mithral veins in a certain place, having to take the long way round because of an alliance outpost...I could go on. It does need hours and hours of commitment, but to me, even the grinding wasn't a chore, there was always a specific goal in mind. My first epic was from the Faire (I forget the name...Darkmoon?), where I had to trade 1200 dark leather to get a necklace. I killed and skinned for hours but it was worth it. I wore that purple item with so much pride. Having to rinse and repeat LBRS and UBRS for fire resistant gear so that you might be able to take on Onyxia, took hours but seeing that dragon head on a stake on Orgrimmar with your guild's name being announced was worth every second, and maybe you are the lucky one that is wearing the T2 headgear as a badge of honour. Hell, you could not even enter Molten Core without completing a lengthy quest chain. The game was simple, yet massive and complex. Hell, to me at the time it was not just a game, but another life that I led in a different virtual world, where I had worked hard to get where I was. Had made friends, enemies, achieved great things, but yet knew there were always people bigger, better badder. Which leads me into the only drawback of Vanilla WoW, it did not cater for the casual gamer, the travel time alone took care of that. For 40 levels you are running everywhere. But above that, whilst the game required your time commitment, you also willingly gave it. You became addicted to it in ever sense of the word and it can seriously affect your rl commitments. Nothing else took priority and I was happiest when I heard that familiar login music, like I was being welcomed to where I belonged. If you are still reading then I am sorry I have gone on so much, but writing this was a real trip down memory lane for me. 7 years since I quit, I still miss it and think about from time to time. The temptation to get the classic WoW game is so strong, but for the same reason a rehabilitated smack addict resists the drug, is the same reason I will not be buying it. For those that do buy it: Love it for what it is, accept the imperfections and enjoy the experience.

@hhattonaom9729

5 жыл бұрын

except for the part where he said a piece of paladin gear would drop if you were horde or shaman gear if you were alliance

@vitocrostino6846

5 жыл бұрын

I just logged into my google account to say thank you for this comment man, it brought tears to my eyes, that bittersweet feeling you gave me when i read this part : The temptation to get the classic WoW game is so strong, but for the same reason a rehabilitated smack addict resists the drug, is the same reason I will not be buying it. For those that do buy it: Love it for what it is, accept the imperfections and enjoy the experience. It makes me sad reading that word even if i understand what you mean, hope one day i'll find you in game!

@Outlawzand1

5 жыл бұрын

Very well put. No other game requires such an investment as Wow

@PersusSeneka

5 жыл бұрын

It has been 10 years since the races banded together against the might of the burning legion... My main lived in Perenolde server at US, the guild the people really mean something back then. Being able to spend time with people all around the world, trying boss fights and even leveling was a true challenge. I truly miss those days, I won't change a thing. The new expansions lost the main core detail that made wow the best game ever, and it was that you needed to form a community in order to pass the game. I can't remember how many hours I lost during that time but being part of that huge world made a once in a life experience, you really felt inside somewhere else. But as life speeds by, spending that much amount of time in a game is pointless. I share your nostalgic feeling and hope you could enjoy coming back to the game for a couple months, just to get your self loss in somewhere else.

@cattysplat

5 жыл бұрын

Danger, excitement, mystery, friendship. Vanilla WoW was a masterpiece of it's time, a terrifyingly awesome experience that the lack of information about everything back in those early internet days made the entire game a fantastic place to explore. I fear the obsession with min-maxing and the encyclopedic knowledge of the game that the internet and everyone who has played for years will simply translate the experience of Retail WoW into Classic. Everyone will run raids mods telling everyone what to do, have the best in slot gear lined up to craft/farm, even the fastest levelling methods in groups to trivialise that solo difficulty. I fear the elitists will overtake the game and kill off any interest casual gamers may have in trying this "new" WoW, and be abused for not knowing everything about the game already, then Blizzard will shut it down when all the casuals quit and the elitists quit from finishing their raids. I hope it will survive, and maybe if the Blizzard gods decide, even secretly introduce new content which would be the sweetest of surprises and really bring the hype for old players to come back and check out the classic servers.

That feeling when in your mid to late level 30s you finally got a full length cloak drop and immediately looked upon others as utter peasants.

@Creohan

5 жыл бұрын

holy shit ! You are so right!

@ejk96Mhs

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao yes

@TheDrewManGroup

5 жыл бұрын

You mean the first time you were able to unhide your cloak

@jamestaylor7957

5 жыл бұрын

So true 😂😂

@jakeackerman881

5 жыл бұрын

love the comments.. haha

2:28 Holy shit, I forgot about how excited I used to be, equipping grey shoulders at level 15 LOL!!

@captaindaniito6874

5 жыл бұрын

THIS. They change your character appearance so much !

@Esonar

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. It used to take forever to get shoulders, a necklace, both ring slots filled.... and dont even get me started on trinkets. Everything was so earned.

@rob5486

5 жыл бұрын

Or the aesthetic of the defias red mask as a rogue

@kadyr8935

5 жыл бұрын

I know there are a lot of people who don't like Asmongold, but he brought up a pretty good point. Blizzard has traded satisfaction for "excitement." I can't remember the names of any pieces of my gear on any of my characters since maybe Wrath, yet we all have nostalgic memories of simple things like equipping grey shoulders, or I can still remember farming the Red Sword of Courage and the smile on my face when it finally dropped. So much has changed...

@jeffreyhendricks3932

5 жыл бұрын

I actually still have a pair on my old lvl19 Twink Rogue. Never quite finished gearing her back then, but have some of the old Defias Leather set, and the Shadowfang Keep's Assassin's Blade / Shadowfang drops.

I vividly remember everything about Vanilla, but I have trouble remembering where the simplest things are on the current version. I was much more enthralled in the game in Vanilla. I remember my daughter playing on Alliance, and the first time she saw Stormwind she said "WHOA!! I love this city!!!", and it was my first time seeing it too... I agreed. The game was a world you looked forward to logging into, and felt sad to leave each day. I cannot wait for Classic servers, and I am know I will feel that way again, because I have tried private servers and the magic is still there.

@MegaJorn123

4 жыл бұрын

Will your daughter also play classic wow?

couldn't beat that feeling of getting dem grey shoulders finally

@kargozgaming

6 жыл бұрын

haha no doubt!

@erikjb12

6 жыл бұрын

Calico spaulders, am I right?

@m0cean

6 жыл бұрын

Oh baby. Running from the barrens to westfall for those defias shoulders made sense because leveling was so slow. Good times

@nesano4735

6 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how Vanilla WoW was so expertly-crafted that just that simple event is so memorable.

@Bjarkenb

6 жыл бұрын

My warrior was so damn hyped for those ~100 extra armor

Everything about this video takes me back to my childhood. The simplistic style of vanilla makes me miss when games were more meaningful and people had more patience.

"You feel strong , you can solo 2 mobs at once" - Epic

i feel like there is this huge community that is just waiting to go home. kinda endearing.

@Gankthewabit1

4 жыл бұрын

nailed it lol

@Nivveus

4 жыл бұрын

We ARE waiting to go back home...

@Zombielunchbox

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it any better myself

@Vihara2

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nivveus waiting in queue to go home, lol. No srs though im loving it, i just want BC era wow personally, ill settle for vanilla for now though

First time I ever feel like playing wow again. Never thought I would after 7 years but now I will and it will be vanilla.

@nickc.2116

6 жыл бұрын

I would play Vanilla again for sure.

@j3nki541

6 жыл бұрын

yea me too

@colorblindboxing7207

6 жыл бұрын

Yea this fucker is gonna make me download it again. Damnit. Good thing I have two kids now. They’ll prevent me from letting it suck away my lifeblood again. Lmao.

@darrendelbos3222

6 жыл бұрын

ColorBlindBoxing what if they wanna join the world of warcraft😂

@JohnSmith-ty2he

5 жыл бұрын

Join the Private server Light's Hope man. It's a blast. No cashshop/GM corruption/BS. The Northdale server breaks 10k at peak hours.

As soon as you said FIXED COMMUNITIES... My heart melted. So much truth in this, excellent video.

@liaskatounas3637

5 жыл бұрын

idd...i still remember the "log in" feeling and just waiting for queue to popup for endless AV. That badass female tauren warrior named Moomoo that used to charge me on my Resto Druid and hunt me endlessly.

@InspirationInfinity

5 жыл бұрын

OMG FIXED COMMUNITIES!!!!1 :O THIS MAKES THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. THESE "FIXED COMMUNITIES" ... Do you realize how stupid you sounded by posting this.. and how stupid it is that so many people liked your comment? Bunch of programmed sheep. Lmao. You all need to be Awoken.

@ayyub9855

5 жыл бұрын

troll

@WarrioJ

5 жыл бұрын

@@InspirationInfinity Programmed to like communities?

The way you made this video threw me back in time! This enchanting and catchy WoW background music instantly let my emotions come up. Everything you tell is exactly what I feel about Vanilla WoW. At the age of 14 (2005), I fell in love with this game and it mesmerized me for a long time. I wouldn't be able to make these hardcore experiences again because I'm way to busy with my job and reallife. What did the game do with our hearts back then? Still, it's beautiful in its early days. Anyone feeling the same?

@morrisl7

5 жыл бұрын

yes, nothing has ever matched that magical feeling vanilla wow gave me as a young teen. Real life blows.

@AlexGorskov

5 жыл бұрын

Real life is pretty good actually. I am 29, played vanilla back in the day, quit official server after Burning Crusade. Since then been playing private servers, mostly Vanilla so it never really left my life. I played some WOTLK private servers and basically all I know is Vanilla, BC and WOTLK wow. The game was never ruined for me. Actually now I am going to log on to Light's Hope server with 10500 online and level up my level 29 tauren warrior. Life is pretty good.

I remember this game, I spent half the time as a ghost looking for my dead body. And when I found it I would have to wait for other live players to come around and distract the still alive enemy so I can revive. Ahh the good days.

That moment you finally droped a long ass cloak...

@charliec8679

6 жыл бұрын

Usui Takumi haha hell yah! I started WoW early vanilla and quit after BCs run ended. And next expansion came out.

@111vincento

6 жыл бұрын

i remember how i hated the cloaks then on my first character when i reached level 20 a long cloak dropped

@elix9099

6 жыл бұрын

Getting a set of shoulders was the best feeling

@Entrailss

6 жыл бұрын

This is sooo true! But during WotLK I hated my helmet and cape so I disabled them visually. Hahaha I can’t wait for Vanilla.

@Koudelka2

6 жыл бұрын

lol indeed. I remember on my mage, a cloak dropped that was better than the one I wore, but becuase it was like a stump of cloth I passed on it, to keep my long cloak :D hahaha

Basically, why vanilla wow was epic...was because it was like real life in a manner" you had to be an upstanding citizen to get anywhere, and that in it'self made the community as a whole a better place to live and thrive in. with the way the game has gone now...You will never have that back ever again and renewing vanilla World of Warcraft will give us all that opportunity to grab the rein's of a golden-age community and never let it go, that in it'self is beauty's essence .

@colleendunne608

6 жыл бұрын

Not alot of Trolling in trade chat !! Legion wow is such a troll area It ruins the experience for me

Ive never played wow and have always looked on from the outside. Admired the community and how the game has affected nearly everything in the video game/fantasy community. Im a huge fan of hearthstone so seeing where all those cards come from is really an experience. To be able to experience vanilla after missing out on what many call the golden age of gaming is really an awesome feeling. I cant wait to jump into classic and experience it all for the first time.

@mrdali67

5 жыл бұрын

If you admired WoW community, you should have seen EQ at its prime from 99 to 2002. EQ was ALL about the community ... yes there were whiners about their class x was getting the shaft compared to class y, those are in every mmorpg communities, but wow community was pretty much always the shite .. bunch of whiners and childish behavours all over the boards. The community of EQ was amazing back in the days. Even the game didn't have instanced dungeons like WoW, everything in vanilla EQ, dungeons and raid targets was FCFS and there were often fights about who had the rights to a raid zone. SOE did have a play nice policy but it was rarely enforced, but some how the community came up with its own "raid calendar system" and most guilds respected them and didn't cock block raid targets so minor guilds couldn't get a chance. Thats community at its best.

Dude.. You could not have explained Classic WoW any better! The nostalgia & love for the grind 🤩 Can’t wait until those servers go up! 😁

"Almost as if the world wasn't designed for your every convenience" That right now sums up classic. So many players complain about "poorly designed zones" or "poorly designed dungeons" because the dungeon had an aspect that wasn't linear or required some outside item. Classic was a world to play in, not a game to keep subscribers.

@kargozgaming

6 жыл бұрын

awesome point bro "classic was a world to play in, not a game to keep subscribers." +1

@corywilliamsmith

6 жыл бұрын

heck yeah. even though when they maintained that principle they had millions of subs!!!!

@Makofueled

6 жыл бұрын

Well said, it ironically was better at keeping subs though!

@nesano4735

6 жыл бұрын

The best part behind that quote is the fact that quests actually had you exploring the world. Not like that theme park quest hub bullshit that BC introduced.

@Pyriold

6 жыл бұрын

Coming from EQ, Wow felt like being built for convenience. But sure, nowadays it's become ridicoulus. Classic was a lot more of an adventure than nowadays.

You know what I miss? The freaking train. The train from SW to IF. I hope in this new "WoW Classic" they just ERASE the flight path between the two cities so people will friggin' use it again. :D

@TheByron130

6 жыл бұрын

They won't need to erase the flight path between the two cities, people used the train because it was faster than the FP, the reason they don't any more is because flying your own mount is faster than both so with out flying a lot of people will go back to the tram again.

@TtheWriter

6 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I didn't know that. Interesting.

@TheRedAzuki

6 жыл бұрын

TtheWriter took like 10 min and it wasn't a direct flight eithrr

@sunderball1

6 жыл бұрын

No now everyone heartstones to dalaran and takes the portal since that is the quickest

@dudeiclepv2247

6 жыл бұрын

totally agree

slapping on the first pair of grey shoulders....... mmmmmmmmm.

@Plaguereaper

5 жыл бұрын

It was truly amazing. No joke. I actually remember getting my first grey shoulders. They weren't even the right material but it was still such a big deal that I remember it a decade later.

@MulroePhoto

5 жыл бұрын

@@Plaguereaper felt like you were finally initiated haha what a pure moment in online gaming

@brbgettingbanned

5 жыл бұрын

I feel like there are few moments that compete with getting that first shoulder piece, I mean now with BoAs and heirlooms shoulders are instant at lvl 1 but man I remember I didn’t even get a grey shoulder I didn’t get shoulders until Wailing Caverns and the serpent spaulders dropped for me, such a beautiful moment 😭😭

@Jonathan-bu7iv

4 жыл бұрын

Or the first helmet at lvl 25. Man. I just equipped a white linen cloth hood and was like ”awww yiss”

@bernlin2000

4 жыл бұрын

So much armor 💣🤣

Cross realm was the last nail in the coffin for retail once server communities where gone it just turned in to a toxic environment.

@alexgulino335

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I remember when that was implemented and the people became incredibly toxic and started stealing gear which led to the weird loot tables and stuff needing to be created etc..

@alexthor8836

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I read those patch notes with dread. No one I knew liked the idea, it ruined bg pvp when implemented. Then they expanded it to instances and leveling zones, sigh. I won't play classic if there isn't a community.

@apemant

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, exactly this.

@dirtysilver2841

5 жыл бұрын

I've seem to remember a completely different game than others. The game was growing rapidly and needed something to help with the wait times. It's tricky business trying to maintain a well active community of players who were growing toxic over the lack of game functions. I remember 10 guild mates left the game saying, "it's not fun anymore. Putting in hours to heard cats. I am sick of being the application reviewer." Remember raid applications? I do. I remember guilds breaking down after people got frustrated with the lack of reliability. This is why Blizzard took the actions it did. It's player base was already going toxic. By this time it was to late. It's easy to be the player from the inside and hate a change. I get it, said this once myself many years before. it wasn't until after I took a step back was the reason clear. Blizzard tried to improve the game for the better. Not that I am saying blizzard doesn't listen. They can clear improve in that department. I just saying it wasn't all blizzards doing. They simply reacted to a growing problem.

@samishiikihaku

5 жыл бұрын

I think its going to be amusing as all get out, the first week the servers go live when all the kids are crying about the difficulty on general. XD

One of the best videos on Classic WoW I've seen so far. Love it!

Run to the class trainer every 2 levels. No Questhelper. U have to Read the Quests to find it out. No Dungeonbrowser. 60% Mount with level 40. 100% with level 60. No Flying. Farming months for resistance gear. 40 Man Raid. Dungeons lasted at least 3 Hours or longer. Farming World Buffs. .... .... .... .... I hear them cry already

@connermcmahan5528

6 жыл бұрын

Basically everyone got questie though

@TheOmegaSkater

6 жыл бұрын

yup lets get real. Most people use questie and most dungeons dont get close to 3 hours (Maraudon, BRD or ST can be very long but someone knowing what to do and leading the group can shorten even those long dungeons). Vanilla is tedious but not as frustrating as people make it out to be. It is also to be seen when world buffs will be activated / when DM etc will be out. If we have stuff like DM or Darkmoon Faire at the beginning of the game the early raids will be crushed

@HalBDeU

6 жыл бұрын

At least you could enjoy the world with your friends and group together. I started to play some months before bc was out, and yes it was hard. But damn was it entertaining, searching groups, questing together, exploring new areas... The social part was way more appealing. When I was playing again in MoP and Cata a little, the dungeon experience and in general feels just so damn empty. You search, find a group, rush a dungeon in 1 hour or less without even saying hello and thats it. Ugh man...

@gregbedford9706

6 жыл бұрын

Rexxar in Desolace and the Tauren girl patrolling STV! I can't count the number of times those two wrecked me.

@xenteko7249

6 жыл бұрын

I honestly wish blizzard would just disable ALL addons. I'd love to see all the pirate server babies crying about not having their crutches like enemy cast bars and shit.

Having been a player from the beginning, I absolutely love this video. Everything said was perfectly articulated and reminded me of how it was. Props on an amazing video.

Man, the nostalgic feeling that hit me after watching your video. By every point a memory popped back. Good job on this one and thx!

This is such a good video. Every point you make is cogent, and exceptionally well put.

Am I the only one who thinks that this release will be a wonderful occasion for a parents/children bonding experience ? "yeah, I know son, this journey from Stormwind to the Scarlet Monastery is almost an hour but that builds character!" On second thought....

@highmarshalhelbrecht4715

6 жыл бұрын

Unless your child is a teenager don't worry about ever reaching scarlet monestry.

@Jumoana

6 жыл бұрын

Hey man i reached SM and further when i was eight, Vanilla was great at a young age and even better now.

Man I stopped playing WOW in 2012 but you've brought back so many memories for me, I'm definitely going to give classic another go around when it's released. Thanks and God bless.

Thanks for the great video. I’m returning to WOW after being away for years and your video evoked memories of nights and weekends spent with RL fiends raiding in Vanilla.

Very well worded video :) Brb, calling mum to let her know I'm moving back into her attic. Anyone want to buy a car? GF thrown in for free

@dabblesmith5755

5 жыл бұрын

LoL!!!! I know right, it's been a long time... I'm just holding thumbs that my life will accommodate some of my new patch changes ;)

5 жыл бұрын

A GF is *never* free. Even if another man gives her to you.

@jenking1000

5 жыл бұрын

Bahahaha!!

@illwillsquared

5 жыл бұрын

i already still live in her attic, get rekt son

@zwartz

4 жыл бұрын

Where's the "divorce wife and undo baby"-button? I wan't to go back to that time, where everything was less complicated, so I can level my enhance shaman in peace!

Can we all share this for clueless people who doesn't realize how Vanilla love is not about the super graphics, the balance, or the very enjoyable and creative content that later PvE fights brought. Vanilla is about the meaningful community created by scarcity. It is the game where your name means more by being reliable, and by playing for others, where respect, and achievement is not a tick on the list or a number, but a real deal...

@Diegoshadow85

5 жыл бұрын

@Becoming godsize and you watch video about game you don't care about, read comments you don't care about , write how said commenter has no life... Oh the irony. It's you who nobody cares about around here.

@cjfeather_

5 жыл бұрын

I just want to raid as feral...

@mistermanji

5 жыл бұрын

The problem is that playing Classic doesn't mean you are going to have that same experience again. The game install doesn't come with a feeling of community and belonging lurking somewhere in the install file.

@khaoscualdawath

5 жыл бұрын

The difference is, te current version, with all its quality of life features is supporting going alone, and eliminates scarcitya actively. Classic will work as much as Vanilla as Blizz can recreate it (as their mission statement goes) so it will have the base environment that will have a force on all side to push social dynamics into the socialising direction, and also, majority of the people want that feeling of belonging to the games world back, so that is the same direction. There is a very good chance that it will happen. I am not naive as to believe everything will be the same as the old times, but it does have a good chance, which is fine for me. Also, you have to note that even in the old times, there were people who were not adhering to the social mechanisms of the game and ninja'd, were assholes, loners, and so on. It is not a today-only thing, which will destroy the game outright. People who played according to the social mechanisms, and/or had goals in the game most of the time gave no two fucks about ninjas, trolls, gankers, beggars, asswipes, and loners who cried on the forums for QoL from the start. The players who were playing for play's sake did not play according to the social mechanisms because they actively chose to follow it either, that is why it was that good. Because if you had something to do, the most optimal way was to follow those mechanisms - just like in reality. The IRL social and economic life is being built on scarcity (or people's need to avoid it) so the game works best when it also has a universal scarcity that keeps you pasively moving towards behavior that eliminates that. And the best behavior is to team up to be able to take challenges easy, and to generate incomes of all kind, to have safety in what you do. When you have safety in what you do, the need tobe acclaimed, an elevated need will arise (which in games translates into (when you have all the gold and loot is coming your way, you might get bored of keeping just that up) so there is a natural need in you to have a hobby, a mastery, something you are so good in that you can collect/keep people around, that can give you a name and rep - which is also why professions and PvP is so compelling in all points of the game...

@bucket6988

5 жыл бұрын

My dad hit high warlord on his warrior named Ezeroth back then, he still has a war sword from then to prove it, and the title high warlord, it lasted for 2 days he said, it was the greatest video game achievement he had, but he has moved on from the glory days. He played on dalaran, in wrath he also was the top unholy DK in his server for 10 hours. He inspires me to go and try to hit high warlord, I hadn’t realized how important that title was, and when he equipped it in the dalaran pub, few recognized the sword transmog and title from then, he kept the gear too. It was a waste...

Incredible memories. I wonder though, without the sense of mystery and unknown, how it can get close to emulating those feelings. For me a large part of the drive to play was seeing other players and guilds conquer raids. I would look up to them in awe and it drove me to experiencing it all. I'll never forget the first Rag kill, or inching through BWL and finally ending up with full T2 Judgement and Hand of Ragnaros. I too felt like a god, and my guild meant everything to me, a second family if you will. But everything is now a known quantity and there's no more mystery. I'm not sure nostalgia will be enough, and I sure don't have the time anymore, but I'm still quite intrigued and will likely dip my toes in.

The nostalgia just watching these videos. I can’t wait to get into the game and see it in its original form again. Such a huge part of me getting into gaming as a kid. I didn’t realize how excited I was for this until these videos started to come out. Good ole days type of feel for sure I can’t wait

Great video! More in depth than I thought it would be, and you brought up great points and memories from way back when.

Great video, I can't wait to level in Classic! There are so many little things I miss from that era that make your character stand out from the crowd and give you more of an RPG feel.

@111vincento

6 жыл бұрын

that one guy with a legendary weapon.....

bro< i cant even explain how much you hit the spot. every single thing you talk about is bringing me back years ago when i played it. I just love all the imperfections that had purpose to it. the most importantly the grind that was necessary to get the damn blue axe or that first cloak in that monastery dungeon or the shield for lvl 25 or whatever that was! love it brother!!!!!!!!

Ah the memories. I still remember all the struggles of Vanilla WoW. I do miss it at times, and just might have to play Classic.

Back then epic items were actually epic

@djdarklyceum

6 жыл бұрын

I remember when the Unstoppable Force was a coveted weapon lmao!

@allbies

6 жыл бұрын

to a degree yes because you had to farm the hell out of those pieces still

@WINTERGRIFT

6 жыл бұрын

Sally Vee that was the tbc prepatch if i’m not mistaken

@peltsi3666

6 жыл бұрын

That is exactly what i am thinking about of them epic's when i farm old raid's.. :D

@user-hd5xw1gn3e

6 жыл бұрын

Just like today's Mythic gear

omg 6 days left for classic im dying COME ON !!!!!!!!!!! ive waited for soooo long, finally i can go back to vanilla, them old memories so fun! :D

@m.c.martin

4 жыл бұрын

Khaled Sulevani Can external drives hold WOW lol 😂

@heathermartinez2954

4 жыл бұрын

@@m.c.martin lol that's how we played in highschool 😂😂

God, i can't wait. Wow was not my first MMO but it had the fondest memories for me. I loved world pvp, that guilds felt like family, you had server pride.

This gave me Goosebumps dude. I've been looking forward to this for a long time. I started playing wow back in 2007 so BC was just launched and I only experienced some of this but not exactly the whole experience of Vanilla. I've played Legacy private servers for years. but the fact that this is the legit thing now, my mind is blown. Anxiously awaiting the 27th! Cheers!

I almost started to cry when I saw the portal at the end of the video :D I loved the first WoW.

I believe the average age on the classic servers 1 year in, will be 35. Great vid btw!

@gordonreinz9849

6 жыл бұрын

I’ll be 21

@patriklala

6 жыл бұрын

Gordon Reinz chances are small you will keep playing for a year.

@michixlol

6 жыл бұрын

Has nothing to do with age. I am also 21 and I am so sure that Vanilla is my style. The WoW now is not mine anymore. Until it was not possible anymore I even put out the quest points on the map and wanted to find the spots by the quest texts. Nowadays this isn't possible anymore, because the quest texts do not say south, east, west or north anymore. So this has nothing to do with age. Even though I started in WotLK, I know what is coming for me. And I'll love it, I know this. This is the WoW I always wanted. With my humble 21 years. A better reason to say, one would not play a year is that the game doesn't go on, or isn't planned so at least. It will always be stuck with the same Patch. And the game going on is a major point why so many people sticked with the game in the first place.

@_mando

6 жыл бұрын

I was only 9 when i started playing in 2006. I will for sure be playing Classic for the long run. Can't wait to relive my childhood

@hzseveral4110

6 жыл бұрын

I am 27 so i guess i will be 28 when classic release

One of the best videos I've ever seen that really gives you the heart of Vanilla. Well done Kargoz

Really great video. I remember the first time i Downloaded this thing called vent and herd people talking. I had no mic at the time and was like " wow man these people are so advanced!"

Yea! Barren's chat again!!

@Bjarkenb

6 жыл бұрын

Barrens chat - the Kodo Graveyard of braincells

@Soda88

6 жыл бұрын

Chuck Norris jokes

I agree with all of this, and I think that this video was really well done! With that said, the context in terms of time is important. Very few people playing classic will be new to the franchise. At the time there was excitement and wonder in the air at this game that had just come out and was blowing everyone's expectations. Everything was new to us-the world, the skills, the items, and we didn't know what was in store for the future of the game. It was a special time. With the re-release I just cant imagine all these elements you mentioned in the video being nearly as impactful and satisfying as they were before. There certainly is a ton of excitement FOR the re-release, and I think it will be an exciting time. BUT it's sure to be very different when you have a bunch of people who are very familiar(some even masters at the game-some who have been specifically mastering vanilla on private servers) playing- as opposed to to a bunch of noobs exploring a brand new and exciting fantasy. This is in no way to disagree with the points made in the video, but I do think that the context is important to think about!

While watching this video, somewhere around minute 8 i get the urge to hug my monitor and start crying "why did you leave meeee, come baaaack...". Thank you, friend, for this great journey back to the good old times...

Legit got choked up at the nostalgia-overload I’ve been playing since I was 10, so damn... 13 years now! WoW forever! ♥️

Love the whole campfire feels, awesome footage!

Omg this is the best video I've ever seen. I literally cannot wait to blow my life away and do nothing but play vanilla ❤️❤️

@edwincervantes3266

5 жыл бұрын

Weard

@evotme9995

5 жыл бұрын

Virgin.

Gotta say - the one with the 9 classes of Classic overview got the sub. This one confirmed and pretty much set the sub in stone. You are one of the very few people I have ever heard/known who can use the word "gravitas" correctly in a sentence. It really (and sadly) is a rare thing. My thanks.

Totally agree. I started playing in 2005 and i really miss every aspect of Vanilla. The friendship, the guild, the incredible large world on foot and everything else mentioned here

I think we miss the time in context not the game itself. We had so much free time back in the day.

@Diegoshadow85

5 жыл бұрын

People often do that "nostalgia" right. But all these reasons from vid are valid. It's not only that I was 18 when I played and now I'm 29. I quit at the end of Wrath of the lich king just as many others. And the reason wasn't that I had no time or I got bored or w/e. The reason were looking for group between servers and most of all that real money shop. These were very tangible and "logical" reasons nothing to do with nostalgia. Also that's why I can't get hyped as much now because I lost trust in Blizzard... And all we have is their word which I don't believe in (with many reasons).

@nairav9156

5 жыл бұрын

I just don't feel challenged anymore in the WoW of now, it feels like my class only difference by texture. The game feels less human, because interaction with others feels not needed

@dirtysilver2841

5 жыл бұрын

@@Diegoshadow85 You must not remember the time when looking for a group was very time consuming and players began to complain about the wait times. Paying $12.99(USD) a month to hunt down people. People paying to find people. It's players like yourself that are the opposite side of the same coin ending the quality gaming content. They offered a solution to a big problem. A problem that was starting to take a toll on the player base. I remember guilds breaking up because players were getting tired of the same BS. Even more hilarious is instead of sticking around to offer positive criticism you jumped ship. Lastly, classic WoW has been available on thousands of private servers for FREE. Now you want to pay to have what is still available for FREE? Makes no sense and sounds like a bad investment to me. But hey, whatever makes you happy.

@dirtysilver2841

5 жыл бұрын

@@nairav9156 That I can somewhat agree on. Different roles are of course what makes the class. Otherwise, I'm not really a shaman, just a mage that calls upon the elements to cast the same glitter ball. I wouldn't be against making the mobs harder or take leveling progression to a milestone. Making leveling party base of at least 3 players. Hell even the NPC follower missions (something else that needs to go) require some team work. Matching up strengths and weaknesses. Here's what I don't want. $12.99 a month to play make up lost time. Lets compare entertainment to cost with say, Skyrim. I have well over 1k hours logged in skyrim. All I paid for was $60. Well in WoW that's only 4 1/2 months worth of time. 1 month is 730 hours... well... I have in well over 4 1/2 months of time invested in a game that I sure as hell did not play for 4 and 1/2 months straight. I also understand the difference between MMO and SP games. In that case, how about D3, Overwatch, Rift, SWOTR, and many others. I'm not trying to say it isn't any fun. I hope people have fun. Ultimately the cost DO NOT out way the rest of the gaming industry. Blizzard has to adapt to compete.

@1Wade9

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe. But that just means new, younger players with time on their hands will have a chance to experience the game in its former glory. Think of it like passing a valuable heirloom to a newer generation to enjoy.

reminds me of a good high school days haha good to see you back bro!

What a wonderfully refreshing explanation of vanilla, its so true and that is what I miss the most about the closed community and friendships back then.

You are correct my friend. The world felt bigger and more overwhelming and getting a grey shoulder drop felt epic lol. Looking forward to being part of a community that will help each other to become great for sure.

Great nostalgia, I don't think Classic WoW can be duplicated. The remake will have its own charms.

This video is amazing

I’m still watching all your old vanilla videos. Love them!

So well put. Such an iconic game. So much mystery in the world and so much reverence for the high ranked players with T2 and T3 pieces. This video almost made me weep. I’m going to have to play once again.

I get a really bitter-sweet feeling when I think about Classic. Sweet because it reminds me of one of the best eras of my life, bitter when I think about the current player base existing in that era. Even the veterans currently playing that played then. The mentality has changed. I started in late, late Vanilla. Basically right before TBC. But even then everyone was still in awe of the game. Everyone was friendly, even in trade chat. Matter of fact, I learned so much of the game asking questions in trade chat. Simple UI issues, professions, addons, where to get them, how to install them etc. It was so easy to get get groups for dungeons, the only hard part was getting to the dungeons. The entrances were pretty much hidden and guarded by elites and it just got you excited for the carnage that was about to ensue once you got inside. Wondering and hoping you would come away with some new awesome piece of gear. Nothing was guaranteed. Running heroics was hard and wipes happened alot but we had fun learning which mobs to cc and which to burn down and boss mechanics. I learned to tank and heal with very, very relaxed players that enjoyed teaching. It's something that I've tried to pay forward whenever I can. Everyone was in the same euphoric state and having fun back then. WoW was way *grindier* then than it is now, but people weren't so damn bitter. These days a lot of veteran players have absolutely no patience for noobs wanting to learn. I get sick of seeing new healers and tanks getting trash talked in 5 mans, even when they're doing fine, just slow and awkward and maybe pulling things they shouldn't. Back then, you pulled one pack at a time and hoped to God you didn't aggro anything else. Take the "go go go FUCKING GOOOO!" mentality of current players in heroics (hell Mythics were DESIGNED around this mentality) and put them in Classic dungeons and it's not going to end well. Every expansion since probably Cata, I've watched as people trash talk players even on DAY ONE of the expansion because they fuck up on mechanics. Like how are you pissed someone is fucking up on the first day of an expansion?? The players are so incredibly toxic, it will never be the same as it used to be. You can play the old version of the game, but the old mentality of the players is long gone. I can guarantee you people fucking up mechanics in Classic will be roasted 10x harder than people playing the current version. Everyone will want to make sure you know that they know their shit and you don't.

@Gankthewabit1

4 жыл бұрын

been thinking about that alot as of late. Also times have changed, can not just go back to being that noob just starting, you know to much and its not brand new.

@meta1152

4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry. If the stress tests mean anything, players are extremely nice and helpful. Drive-by buffing. People handing you greens out of nowhere.

@raytbrown2

4 жыл бұрын

I hope (as I am sure do you) that this proves not to be true - that people prove to be their better selves, as they once were.

@lightmetamorphosis

4 жыл бұрын

We shall see.

@Wft-bu5zc

4 жыл бұрын

I actually don't think this will be the case. I believe most people going back to Classic want that old sense of helpfulness/community and will try to be nicer and more forgiving. You also have consequences for acting like an ass, such as having to find another group (which could take a while) or getting a bad reputation. You can't just ragequit group and queue for another, never to see those people again. Yea there will definitely be toxicity, but it won't be as widespread as retail. I also think this will depend a lot on the server you choose. Avoid the highest pop PVP servers, which will have most of the elitists.

You talk about things i never knew i miss ... great videos!

This was super nice and great description. Now that Im not playing WoW, I have remembered those feelings you have described and it felt amazing again.

Man, I loved this. This is one of the few videos I have found that actually 'gets it'. And I am an old guard looking forward to returning to Classic... I remember a guy ninjaing a piece of gear around level 40 (He was a rogue who rolled Need on a plate piece). We denounced him in Ogrimmar and within a week, his name never again appeared in any chats, people refused to play with him because they didn't want to risk losing out on good gear. Community mattered in Classic, Personal Honor mattered, integrity and skill mattered, because the game was hard and we all needed each other... and I look forward to being apart of that again. You would see a player getting ganked and you'd join the fray, not because you owed them anything or needed the 5-15 honor points, but in the hopes of driving away the attacker either to preventing your own ganking or to teach the bastard a lesson. It's also how you formed groups. You'd help a guy out and then join together because of safety in numbers... Thanks for the awesome video.

TBC was probably the best EXPANSION (because vanilla is vanilla and is the best :) ), because they managed to preserve most of the aspects of vanilla but they gave game a bit of a faster pace (For example AV - you din't have to play it for 8-20hours to finish it but it still was an amazing BG). They kept the social aspect of it but made leveling a tad bit faster but that faster pace didn't matter because you still had that feeling of accomplishment for every hard quest you finished (everyone remember writing DING in chat whenever you lvlup? Getting to the next lvl was a big thing).

@wilsontc123

6 жыл бұрын

AV was horrible in TBC because of the auto clicker AFKers

@DKolev-ge8uo

6 жыл бұрын

Vanilla is terrible .... It's all about the nostalgia that hits players who used to play back then. No chance u can play this today. Was just iconic comparing it to the other games in 2004.

@woochitelj

6 жыл бұрын

You are wrong. I played it on Blizzlike private server and I enjoyed it much more than anything else that came out later.

@lubu4u312

6 жыл бұрын

I leveled a warlock to level 41 before nostralus went down a few years ago over the course of 3 months. It aged like wine. He was spot on when he said the fixed communities were the best part. Trade and general chats are lit up and people talk in parties, raids and pvp outside of screaming at each other in caps.

@5abivt

6 жыл бұрын

What’s wrong with 20 hour av lol ! Still have my 3367 kB - 0 deaths screen shot. Miss those days ! (Old talent trees were the best I was ret into holy shock back then)

i missed classic as i joined the day tbc came out - but this video captures a lot of the zeitgeist i remember from back then, back before the whole 'you are the hero, give us your money' feel

@DrRickDagless

6 жыл бұрын

TRT VITOR even in TBC they rained the loot on you in comparison. Not trying to be elitist about it. I still remember getting blue items from quests when starting TBC and being like “holy crap they are giving away blues and greens with proper stats!”

@bertvsrob

6 жыл бұрын

im aware it was largely a revamp, thats why i talked about its feel not its loot =p

i've also noticed how some mobs of the same level are much tougher then other ones or they would hit incredibly hard when you dont expect it, this usually happens when you leave a zone to another and start questing there and all suddenly it takes 3 to 4 hits and your dead, what i also really like is how you really had to come up with a different strategy in each zone on how you would tackle certain quests, i found myself alot of times closed in by mobs respawning and it's a real chore to even get out of there once i had all the items needed to complete te quest, even getting out alive kinda feels like an acomplishment because you couldnt just zerg everything down. other then that awesome video man very enjoyable to watch!!

The lore and overall story of classic WoW is just freaking good. You start as small foot soldier, doing simple work in some outposts and help the people there and as you level up you get to know that there are evil forces in the world (Blackrock, Silithids, Demons,..). It's just so fucking immersive man and feels so realistic. The world is just erfect

Holy hell I watched your video from boredom , never thought to try classic , now IAM gonna

Very well done. I played vanilla.... quit ten years ago....I know where every screen shot you did is I will be starting up a warcraft character

Wow, the nostalgia flashback going through ur head while listening to you... I look forward to WoW Classic so much its crazy!

This a fantastic video. I’m actually going to get on WoW tonight to play for the first time in months. Video truly hit home for me. Well done. You got another sub. :)

what a nice video, gave off a perfect vibe, makes me wanna play vanilla

The lv60 warlock mount chain quest was still an accomplishment in my book 😂

Love this, you took me back to when MMORPGs meant something.

i was going to play (at least some) Vanilla anyway..but you really drove it home with this vid. kudos to getting it right, my friend.

What a pity I started playing WoW in Warlords of Draenor. I really would have loved experiencing Vanilla back then, but at that time I was a little kid. So little I just learned to walk lol. I didnt know how bad WoD really was, because I was completely new and enjoyed every aspect of it. Later in Legion I started really PvE'ing , PvP'ing and leveling. I was hit with the bad leveling experience and I couldnt really choose a main since leveling was so easy and non rewarding. Great that Vanilla is coming soon, but I will still try to enjoy new content added to the game with the new expansion. Great video, Kargoz!

@Sardath13

6 жыл бұрын

As a person who experienced both current WoW and vanilla WoW, I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. There is a lot of nostalgia floating around for the "good old days". Keep in mind that WoW changed because the community wanted it to change. Vanilla WoW was first and foremost time consuming and tedious - not challenging in any way, just grindy. Some people have a lot of time for gaming, nothing wrong with that - but don't think from this video that vanilla WoW was better than current WoW. 1-3 skill rotations, grinding mobs forever, horrendous inventory management, horrible class balance, boring quests, etc. I do urge you to try Classic when it comes out, but as I said, don't get your hopes up - people moved on from that for a reason.

I really enjoyed the fact that you actually had to read the quest description to know where to go and what to do, no quest locations marked on your map. Deal with it. But I have to admit that Wotlk was my favorite expansion, I think it had the most balanced PVP. Armor penetration Arms Warrior, baby.

i remember the good old days of AV not the zerg rush it is now, once spent a full night in the same battle as it would be deadlocked to the pass leading up to our base only for us to summon the tree and push back, bodies everywhere, players running off to kill the mobs to get stuff just so they could repair and get back to the fight and then the terror of seeing someone with 1 of the 2 legendary weapons on the battlefield :D happy times

Bro, I loved your commentary on this video. You got me so pumped to start leveling again and re-live my Vanilla experience. Can't wait to Max out my New (Old) Paladin!

This is so incredibly precise, it's yaw-dropping! EXCELLENT description! Srsly guys, he is not exaggerating at all, it truly has been the (E-P-I-C) way he tells it here. Those feelings are without comparison to this day. EVERYTHING felt perfect, exclusive and EPIC in vanilla, up to the very details of the marvelous ingame-soundtrack. The game l-i-t-e-r-a-l-l-y _sucked_ you into the *world of Warcraft* back then! It was highly addictive just by its design(!), without all the sales-psychology involved like it is today by trying to soft-force ppl into playing wow all day. THANKS for this glorious memory-recall! :)

I will never return to retail ever again when classic release.

@whyme4476

5 жыл бұрын

The Dude Same.

@stefannedevski6760

5 жыл бұрын

You will be paying the sub, thus you will be in retail.. Just saying

@whyme4476

5 жыл бұрын

Stefan Nedevski Retail doesn’t refer to a sub. It refers to the current BS flavour of wow.

@radekseky4571

4 жыл бұрын

Do you still play it?

Idk why this nearly brought a small tear in my eye I played wow classic when I was a kid had some small vague memories of it

VERY well done video. While I did not play WoW when it came out, and have never played retail at all, I still completely understand every point you made here. I frequently play with no sound on, and when I do it's usually without the soundtrack. I'm going to rethink that - need to experience the music!

Oh sweet memories... grinding for 3 levels because there aren't enough quests to get to the next Zone XD Fun times back then, but i dont know if I can enjoy the game the same way.

Perfectly imperfect. That really does sum up classic. Something that despite all its flaws it still did something remarkable for the mmo genre

I remember being 8 years old and looking at my 14 year old step-brother playing the very first levels of a Night Elf Hunter, with my dad reading the quest logs to help complete the quests. It was such a unique experience back then.

I cried watching this. Thank you! I quit WoW but it feels good to remember those days of Vanilla.

Amazing video so many great points, has me so excited to play OG wow and I hope a lot of other people join us!

@kargozgaming

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Max for the thoughtful feedback - I hope so too! :D

This was so beautifully said spoken and represented. The nostalgia hit hard with this video! Thank you so much for this.

Wow.. literally.. this was very well put together. I made the best friends of my life in 2006 when I started my WOW journey, I was lucky enough to have gotten to lvl 60 and enjoy about a year of MC and BWL before BC was released.. I haven't played the last 2 expansions and I miss it so much but we all got older, had families and got real jobs. Today we are all still good friends and we play games 5 nights a week but we stick to less immersive games like Rocket League, Apex Legends and Deep Rock Galactic. Still.. I think I might play classic WOW when it comes out.. maybe it's time for a new adventure..

Time is a commodity for us now. Classic will be one helluva grind.

I remember being so jealous of high levels guys because I couldn't wear a helmet before level 40 haha, good times

Wow! So many memories came back when watching your video. Good job and thank you!

Very good arguments. I felt truth in each of them, as I remembered what I went through in playing Vanilla.

Everything in this video is SPOT ON.

This video dude: perfection

Played since US beta myself, this video is spot on really. Cant wait for Classic

Such a great video Kargoz ! Keep up the good work!