Rook could be the betrayer, but they could betray both the world and Solas. That would be interesting to see.

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

What a twist! I'd like to see it too now. Imagine a race of betraying dudes haha

@thirdcoastfirebird

8 күн бұрын

@@ImpGoose Yep, when I got to the last part of your video, that is what I thought up.

@DavidSantos-ix1hu

7 күн бұрын

I fully agree I think the option to fuck over solas will be the betrayal,I sincerely think solas will not be a villain necessarily unless we mistreat him also I really like solas being a " bg3 emperor" voice in my head.

@DavidSantos-ix1hu

7 күн бұрын

Solas has always been honest and genuine,when he says if he could drop the veil without loosing lived he means it he is a kind person pushed to a wall forced to make a difficult decision.

@thirdcoastfirebird

7 күн бұрын

@@DavidSantos-ix1hu I haven't got that part of BG. It will be interesting, to say the least.

I think it would be interesting if you are an Elf he gives you the opportunity to join him by stabbing your squad in the back or something or betray your squad and Solas. I’d like to see twists like this so you can have a ‘evil’ play through (like in Mass Effect)

@ImpGoose

7 күн бұрын

I agree! That's what DA games really miss out on, you know. The most evil thing you could do in DAI Trespasser is to punch Solas in the face. I hope the Veilguard will have some tricks up its sleeve

Its hard being the villain in video games the hero always takes your stuff, and on top of that always finds a way to un do your schemes.

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

Haha what a hopeless existence! The saddest thing is that the villain must relive it every time we play a new game

I've been saying for almost the full decade now that Solas' intentions are based in his memories of a world with a higher form of existence, where beings could live without great risk of dying or the inevitability of dying from old age. So to Solas, the current world is already decayed and full of death. Beings are cut off from experiencing the fullness of life, and they are fated to die no matter what. So of course Solas wants to change all that by restoring the world that was. It sounds like Rook might be able to eventually come to understand that. But who knows what BioWare will do with the story now. So many of their decisions recently are incredibly stupid. Will Rook be able to side with Solas? Stop him no matter what? Convince him to stand down? Find a better way? I have my doubts that BioWare will be able to pull this off. For one thing, Rook doesn't seem all that connected to this world to begin with, and it seems BioWare has no intention of showing how horrible and depraved Thedas' underbelly really is. So then why would any player want to choose to destroy the world in favor of Solas' world? Doesn't seem like this game will get too deep philosophically.

@ImpGoose

7 күн бұрын

"Memories of a world with a higher form of existence," is an argument for shifting Solas' motivation from grief and guilt towards nostalgia and egocentrism that "he knows better." Is that what you've been trying to say for a decade? I'm sorry I don't understand your point regarding Solas' character arc and his development

@BelieveIt1051

7 күн бұрын

@@ImpGoose Yeah ever since Trespasser where Solas reveals he wants to tear down the veil and destroy the real world so his world can return, I've been telling people what his motivation is. He comes from a world where beings are essentially immortal and do not age. He sees that as the norm. The real world on the other hand has beings dying all the time from various things, and even those who survive the hardships of the world still die of old age. So Solas figures these people are going to die eventually anyway, so why not just end them now and restore a world of long lifespans and youth? This is why Solas says in the gameplay demo, "People are always dying. That is what they do." He figures the people dying right now while the veil is falling are just going to die of old age within 90 years or so anyway. But most fans just think, "Ooh Solas kill people = oooohhh bad, must stop him". This is why Varric's pleas are so nonsensical to Solas, and it's why the Inquisitor was needed in this instance to confront Solas and convince him of a better way.

@ImpGoose

7 күн бұрын

That's an interesting theory indeed! Thanks for sharing it. We shall see what happens in the game eventually because honestly...Solas is a cool character. I hope there will be options to destroy the world and save it

@NoName-ym5zj

7 күн бұрын

Hopefully you can kill Solas and stop his dumb plan. Solas going full "Make Thedas Great Again" ... When everyone was like a slave to the Old Gods and shit. Nah, I'm good, thanks.

I think we'll have a choice. I think the betrayer will depend on our approval rate with our companions like the end of 2 when you have to choose Templar or mages

@ImpGoose

7 күн бұрын

An interesting theory to consider!

@elissahe2377

7 күн бұрын

@@ImpGoose I think it's going to be that because Solas knows something's wrong with the veil and he's very hesitant to say which is causing people to not trust him. With that said, he said he was relocating the evanuris because their prisons were failing and their prisons are part of the veil if not the whole veil. I think we're going to get a full explanation on what happened and why he's really doing it. I also want to know what precautions he took to minimize the damage. Is he protecting the places where the veil is strongest so they don't burn? Is he willing to let tevinter fall because the veil has been weakened over and over again over there past the point of fixing?

...I think Varric's lived long enough to become a villain...

I think you're wrong. Solas wants to mend his wrongs but his careful planning and manouvering over ten years seems to indicate that he isn't willing to do it at any cost. And while he might not have been willing to kill the Evanuris originally, he says that he's deal with them in either Trespasser or Tevinter Nights. There's also an interesting hint in Dalish customs. Then Dalish put Fen Harel statues around their campsites facing outwards. This is said to be done in order to remind the Dalish to be watchful of spirits and demons. However, the placement rather indicates that the statues were originally meant to protect the camp. After all, the fluffy butt of a wolf is a lot less dreadful then the toothy end.

Regarding Corytheus, Solas tells us that he expected the orb to kill Corytheus when he unlocked it. So, to me that sounds as if he saw it as a convenient to birds with one stone solution. The orb gets unlocked and he takes out the former high priest of Dumat in the process.

I disagree with most of your points, but they were interesting, and it did come across as even tho you reached different conclusions. Then i did you put a lot of thought into this so good video 👍

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

Thanks! Food for thought is more important than 100% approval 😉 What are your arguments and ideas regarding Solas and why do you think that his character arc will develop differently?

something you touched upon i haven't heard before- Needed the blight to unlock the orb- the calculations are endless if this is true.

I like smart ass solas when you talk to him and make cheeky comments he sometimes joins in ,and its always funny 😂😂😂

@ImpGoose

7 күн бұрын

True! He's a cool character :)

Loved the video ! It will be interresting to see how we, has the player, will have an effect on this process. Like, will we loose relationship points with him by being too paranoid and distrustful, or will we try to befriend him to avoid the betrayal? Fascinating indeed :o

@ImpGoose

12 сағат бұрын

Can't wait to discover!

I do hope there is some type of random betrayals or guys switch sides some back stabbing would be more real then just members sleeping around with each other.

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

If a companion betrays us under particular circumstances like Iron Bull in DAI, it will be really cool. I couldn't believe my eyes when it first happened during my playthrough!

@lalaninja006

4 күн бұрын

not saying that it wont happen, but did they not say that you NEED all companions for the story? even going so far that they can leave the party but return later on. it could still happen in the end game i guess

When will he learn😢 my heart is breaking

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

Idk 😭 I wish I was wrong but studying literature and creative writing tells me that there's no hope for him. We need a miracle!

Hoping the last quarter of the games story changes depending on how you dealt with solas throughout the game. Either he betrays you, you convince him or maybe even just out rightly going along with his plan. But these options all depend on rooks relationship with solas. Cannot wait to finally play only been…. A decade

Your lore videos are amazing! I think Solas will try to manipulate Rook towards his goals, especially if Rook is an elf.

@ImpGoose

3 күн бұрын

Thank you so much for recognising the hard work! Glad you enjoyed the videos, and I totally agree with you. Solas is too cunning to oppose elf-Rook bluntly. My first playthrough has always been a female elf mage in DA games. It will be a really tough one in DAV haha

@spellandshield

3 күн бұрын

@@ImpGoose I will be playing a dwarf, my favourite race and for me the biggest and most important mystery in Dragon Age. Will we find out out more about the Titans? I certainly hope so.

its very possible the veil jumper mage betrays us

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

Ooooh...why do you think so? 👀

@davids2cents594

8 күн бұрын

@@ImpGoose well she's an elf and veil jumpers are fascinated with everything that has to do with the fade. she might be easy to trick. we are told someone will betray us. everyone thinks its the crow. but it would be to easy if it was him

@lisdraconis2212

8 күн бұрын

​@@davids2cents594Honestly the pattern is more against Bellara than Lucanis. Morrigan, Anders, Solas... all mages...

@GreyWardenArlethaVakarian

6 күн бұрын

​​​@@lisdraconis2212Morrigan didn't betray us she told the truth about the ritual, thanks to her the warden and Alistair survived. Plus Solas didn't "betray" the inquisitor he just didn't told her/him everything. It's a difference PLUS Fakewall is the real betrayer in DAI.

I think it's an interesting idea that Rook could betray. Perhaps he's manipulated by Solas?

great vid goose

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

Honk! :)

This video gave me chills

@ImpGoose

7 күн бұрын

I'm sorry 😅

8:33 Can someone please explain where did we find out that the magisters and the old gods were in war with the Evanuris? I didn't follow much in the last few years and that information made me crazy, but i simply can't seem to find it.

@ImpGoose

12 сағат бұрын

Not the magisters but their gods (The Forgotten Ones) were at war with the Evanuris. It's only logical to assume that the high priests would follow where their gods went. You can find it in Trespasser DLC, codex pages and other in-game content. Some of those pages and dialogues are in my latest video about Elgar'nan. Hope this helps!

@heitorlamana8837

11 сағат бұрын

@@ImpGoose I mean when it was confirmed that the same Old Gods from Tevinter are the Gods that the Evanuris fought? I think i didn't get that part but i thought that it was another pantheon..

@ImpGoose

10 сағат бұрын

Ah, I see. You are asking how the Old gods and the Forgotten Ones are the same thing. There is a theory that I believe to be true. Most lore is nothing but theories anyway. Few possess direct explanations. I'm happy to debate this theory though :) The most obvious part: the imprisonment. The Forgotten Ones were trapped by Solas (creator of the veil). The Old gods caged by the Maker (creator of the veil). The location of their prison is the same. The Forgotten Ones are in the the abyss. The Old Gods are in the Deep Roads, tainted by the blight. There's dragon "divine shape" in elven mythology + Mythal skill. Red lyrium is blighted lyrium. So it's connected to darkspawn/ Archdemons and we saw murals in the Temple of Mythal and DA4 poster that showed red lyrium. There are more threads, but these coincidences are the first that came to my mind. Are they good enough as a confirmation for you? 😅

Pffft... none of this matters. Where is Forgotten Ones? Now it is obvious that Archdemons and Evanuris are interconnected things. But the legend says that underground there is a second pantheon of Elven Gods. Contradiction. Did Solas really not lock up the forgotten ones? Or is it true and Forgotten Ones and Forbidden Ones are the same. I wanna see this badass guys.

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

I feel your frustration. Believe me when I was losing myself in DA lore, I made freaking maps to connect the dots. So, here's a super brief summary. - 1st pantheon of elven gods is The Forgotten Ones aka the Old Gods. We know the names of only 3 of them, but there were many according to the lore. They live in the abyss/ void which is close to the concept of hell. They become archdemons when the darkspawn find them. - 2nd pantheon of the elven gods is the Evanuris aka the Creators. They were not actually gods but kinda immortal powerful mages. They lived in the Fade in the heavens. Sometimes the Evanuris helped the People (normal elves) while the Forgotten Ones used/ abused/ hunted them. The Forbidden Ones are not gods, but 4 demons who allegedly taught Tevinters how to use blood magic. We have already met 3 of them throughout DA games. One demon for a game: Gaxkang, Xebenkeck and Imshael. I believe we will meet the 4th demon (The Formless One) in the Veilguard. So, there's no contradiction really. Hope it helps!

@Flop5303

7 күн бұрын

@@ImpGoose Now I will explain my position. 1) Remember the secret of Corypheus’ immortality. He placed part of his soul into the dragon. 2) We have 7 dragons/archdemons/old gods and 7 evanuris. We combine points 1 and 2. Conclusion. Archdemons/old gods/dragons are simply receptacles for the souls of the Evanuris and the secret of their immortality. 3) But the Dalish legend says that the Forgotten Ones are imprisoned underground. This is a mistake if my theory is correct. In that case, we don't know where the Forgotten Ones are now, but they are free in one form or another. 4) The theory of astrariums. But how many gods were there in the two pantheons? 9 Evanuris. (7 captives, Solas and Mythal). How many were forgotten ones? We have 18 constellations. 9 constellations are the Evanuris, 9 constellations are the Forgotten. We know the names of 3 Forgotten and 5 Forbidden = 8. But where is the other one? This is just a small part of my theory.

@AndE667

4 күн бұрын

I think the Forbidden Ones were ancient elves who cast aside their physical forms and then became demons.

'the outcasts who are shunned by society often seek the warmth of love and acceptance by resorting to destruction. however, this warmth is an illusion, as their hearts remain cold.' the story of solas. queen has returned with an amazing video.

@ImpGoose

8 күн бұрын

It's sad yet often truthful! A great quote indeed

I disagree, Solas isn't a bad person plus Thedas wouldn't exist the way it does if he hadn't split the world in two. He's NOT a villain, he never was. A true villain is power hungry aiming to reach his/her goals for his/her own benefits. Solas uses his power to bring back what once were/what was lost, sacrificing all he is, even if his greatest fear might come true. He's hunted by his "mistakes" living in the past clinging to a tiny straw of hope. Blinded by the idea of a better world without death and destruction.. Maybe the years has poisoned his memory, maybe the world he knew isn't the world he remembers. PLUS you might need guards to protect the veil from these two old gods you saw in the end of the 20 minute "gameplay"

@ImpGoose

6 күн бұрын

I appreciate your passion yet your logic fails along with manners. I've read all your comments in the other threads too and...you seem triggered. I hope writing those comments helped you feel better and lighter. Codex pages give us some context. Whether pages are true or not we are talking about NARRATIVE proofs and character arcs. They are based on actions and traits of a character. The player's pov is always set to a Hero archetype. If we switch pov and make Solas a Hero, then yes, we will be on his side because it's his story. Your confusion is quite aggressive and honestly...do you really think that I don't know that they killed Mythal? 😅 I didn't mention it because it wouldn't change the picture. He is still a liar no matter the reason for it. This is his character trait in the arc (along with manipulative behavior). There's a name for it psychology: machiavellianism. It's a part of the dark triad that forms a personality disorder. I like his character yet I realise his intentions and admire his story of a villain for our Hero's pov. Before you start criticising others, it would be great if you approach a question with curiosity and not aggression. And as you call it "speciesism" would be relevant as an argument if either human or elves were of a different species...like...dogs, for example. Please, educate yourself beyond DA lore starting with literature, writing, psychology and etiquette to enter so many comment threads and attack people with such stubbornness. Take care, mate!

@dreadwolf

4 күн бұрын

I think u r completely right. They just can't understand. Don't care. No need to prooves. Those who are able to understand have already understood long ago. Rays of goodness to you, buddy.

@NuVisionTarot82

6 сағат бұрын

@GreyWardenArlethaVakarian- I fully agree with everything you said in your comment. For the record, I think your logic was flawless and on point. To hear other say that Solas only cares about Solas is quite surprising given the fact that he could have simply enjoyed all the perks of being a high level mage back in ancient Arlathan and by all means could have simply enslaved elves just like the other Evanuris to make himself be worshipped as a God (which is, I beleive, what an egocentric person would aspire to do if they could) but he didnt. He stood up to the Tyranny and did all he could to stop it. Solas did all he could to save his people albeit his measures were indeed drastic and impulsive, but at least he DID something which is more than most would ever dare to do. Unfortunately his plan backfired and made things worse. Yet, instead of being to proud to admit his mistake he fully owns up to it and now he is committed to rectifying his mistake. If anyone is a hero in this story its him. Many people say that restoring Arlathan would just go back to slavery as if slavery weren't a common theme in the current world state of Thedas... people are being enslaved by the Chantry, they are being enslaved by the Circle Of Magi, they are being enslaved by the Qun, they are being enslaved by Tevinter Magisters, or alienages and so on... etc. etc. My point is, that the only person willing to do something about is Solas, if that isn't selflessness, I don't know what is. This is, of course, just my opinion and point of view. I fully respect and understand the other side of the coin and the points made in this video are more than fair. I very much enjoyed watching it, even if I don't agree with them personally. 😊