I’ve always thought of Cloud retainer calling the other two “old fossils” as like when old people in retirement homes call each other old even tho there rly isn’t tht much difference in age between them

@SaulAguilar87258

28 күн бұрын

Yeah I also thought of it like this.

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

I have too, but at the same time I've always felt Moon Carver was older, and perhaps older than Zhongli too.

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

26 күн бұрын

@davidjohnson8273 But Morax is the Ancestor of the Adepti... so they cannot be older than him perse. Not to mention that he's himself a desciple of Rex Lapis lmao

@davidjohnson8273

26 күн бұрын

Gods don't have children @@citoyenneteavanttout7273

as methodology dictates: writing mistakes and changes in the irminsul are interchangeable

Me just realizing Ganyu is older than Yae Miko. A lot older. 😅

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

i always laugh when i remember they know one another. its just so random lol

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

I think Ganyu mentioned that she met Guizhong when she was a little kid. So she is about 3700 years old. Or about 7 times older than Yae Miko.

It is possible that Alice will enter this list in the future as everything indicates that she has been alive for a long time, especially if she is Genshin's equivalent to Elves who are notorious for being almost immortal.

@Elti979

28 күн бұрын

Probably a few thousand years old

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

There is a chance that Alice was in Enkanomiya before its people returned to the surface. That puts her minimum age at 2000 years old (because we have no idea when Orobashi was defeated, except that it happened during the Archon War).

Not many people know about it, but Xiao is quite older than Ganyu, he was already fighting god´s remains way before Ganyu was old enough to understand what happened with Guizhong

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

do we have confirmation of this? literally i can find about xiaos age is his character story writing "Xiao may have the appearance of a young man, but his true age is something over two thousand years."

@xeroc4691

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Xiao fought in the archon war and he helped teach ganyu so I presume he's older.

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

They both seem a youthful 4000 years or so old. @@xeroc4691

@nethanelmartinezbisono4973

28 күн бұрын

@DawitsLookingforEmilia Yeah, if you noticed in the cutscene when Guizhong died, Xiao was already working under Morax with the Yakshas, and that happened 3700 years ago just before people moved to Liyue harbor Based on Ganyu's story, she made a contract only after some time happened after moving to the harbor, this is without mentioning how she was still under Cloud Retainer's care and wasn't even informed of what happened with Guizhong since she was too young at that time

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

That's not true. Ganyu says she had talked to Guizhong multiple times, therefore she was at Guili, since Guizhong died there. Ganyu fought in the Archon war. There's no reason to think she was young at the time Guizhong died. The idea she didn't know Guizhong died is silly, even if she had been a kid. In the event Ganyu just says she didn't know the personal stories Cloud Retainer is repeating about the little gang of old timers that Cloud Retainer hung out with. How many people hang out with their parents friends? Your claims are supposition. If you have evidence that Ganyu was a kid when Guizhong died then present it. @@nethanelmartinezbisono4973

Its so sad they treat the traveler as a kid while he is far from it. I wonder how they live their lifes before teyvat. ❤

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

It's interesting to see that the Traveler just accepts any misunderstandings about him the people of Teyvat make. Young? Old? Human? Non-human? Everything is fine for the Traveler.

The entire sovereigns technically exist even before concept of time as setekh wenut description mention it

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

28 күн бұрын

Well, except for Neuvillette rn.

@ancalyme

28 күн бұрын

​@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks He existed then too he just took took a break for some thousands of years

@King_gilgamesh123

28 күн бұрын

@@ancalyme Azdaha is older then tevyat/new world

@YosanoADA

28 күн бұрын

​@@ancalymeno, neuvillette is a reincarnation of the hydro dragon. He'd only 500-ish years old.

@lynx2244

28 күн бұрын

​​@@ancalymeNeuvi is just 500 years old. In the Remuria quest & glider lore, it was mentioned that soon after the death of the original hydro dragon, Egeria took its place and during this time no new hydro dragon could be born because Egeria already assumed the role of being the heart of the primordial sea. Only, after her death (which was 500yrs ago), the primordial sea would lose its owner and the hydro dragon would be reincarnated (Neuvi). This means Celestia deliberately sent Egeria to the primordial sea, to prevent Neuvi from being born

i love older women (

@CPVideoDestroyer

28 күн бұрын

SAME

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

:D MY PEOPLE

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, we don't even know which other figures from Teyvat history are the same person as the Sustainer. If she is one of the Four Shining Shades, she should be older than Zhongli, and younger than Apep.

7:30 my dude you got something wrong here as when rukkhadevata returned to the rainforest the rainforst was around for a gooddddd amount of time so its like this .apep rules over sumeru .primordial one descends onto teyvat .war with nibelung and sovereings .primordial one wins and makes teyvat his own (meaning irminsul was made meaning rukkhadevata was maybe made as well)(and seelies are most likely made as well meaning nabu malikata might have been around as well) .either here sumeru gets turned into a dessert .second mystery throne desends .or here sumeru gets turned into a dessert .after that war heavenly principles or primordial one goes for a snooze .rainforest is most likely made around this time when rukkhadevata was definetly around (because of next point) .archon system gets put into place thus starting the archon war .deshret nabu malikata and rukhadevata are around and happy (theyve been around for longer tho) .deshret gets offered a gnosis and declines .deshret convinces nabu malikata to give him access to forbidden knowledge .deshret gets his forbidden knowledge but nabu malikata dies in the process thus making him go mad .dessert gets f*cked up, eventually making rukkhadevata step in .deshret gets dealt with (be that sealed eaten or killed or all of the above) rukkhadevata builds those towers and *returns to the rainforest* .rukkhadevata realizes that irmisuls been contaminated with forbidden knowledge .cataclysm happens and rukkhadevata "snaps of the purest branch of irminsul" (making nahida) and commits sudoku or dies .and sages find nahida and seal here in the sanctuary of surasthana

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

hmm? im still confused. didnt sumeru turn into a rainforest after the nail came down? also malikata approached rukk, who was already a "princess" by the time they met, but didnt malikata only go traveling after the war with the second who came?

@The_original_one

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia yes the nail come down entire sumeru region turn into desart according apep

@alphalp.4454

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia im 99% sure that the nail that hit sumeru (the one in mt damavad) is what turned og jungle sumeru under the controll of apep into the dessert. when exactly this happened im not sure it might have been after the war with the sovereings to maybe diminish the remaining sovereings power even more or maybe as a last f*ck you to apep dont know. Or it might have been after the war with the second who came (which might have been an abyss juice roided up nibelung) to "mend the broken land" aka make the nails suck up abyss juice (the one in the chasm might be one of those) But i tend to think that the one in Mt damavad was dropped after the war with the sovereings to weaken apep even further And about the second part idk🤷‍♂️ It mustve been after the war with the second who came because thats when the second who came maybe likely an abyss roided nibelung contaminated alot of teyvat with abyss juice making the already kinda f*cked seelie race (due to that forbidden marriage incident) even worse off when two of the moons got corrupted and offed eachother leaving only a massively wounded nabu behind who then aimlessly wandered untill she made her own city with the jin and eventualy ran into amun and rukkha they might have met before as they were around for as long as the seelie race and irminsul respectively were around but im not too sure when they first met But im pretty sure when nabu crashlanded in the dessert it was already split up by the wall of samiel as it is today with amun ruling over the dessert and rukka over the jungle she made some time before then as it is shown in the cutscene in deshrets mausoleum that when that entire forbidden knowledge debacel was happening she left to help resolve that from a pretty akademia looking place and *returned * to the rainforest cant return to something you havent made yet And i think she made that bit of jungle+wall of samiel after the war with the second who came when the primordial one was fed up and just left the archons to it giving them somewhat free aim to do what they want so up till then it was most likely dessert And i just looked in the Wiki there it also says that the nail in mt damavad is whats to blame for sumerus desertification. but it also says that the nail was dropped to deal with apeps forbidden knowledge which she got from eating amuns body after he uploaded his mind into the golden slumber. and it also says that the nail burried "tree and meadow" which the Wiki says is ay-khanoum (the city of the jin ruled by the three gods) under the "flowing sands" but im not sure about that as that would move the desertification pretty far ahead in the time line so make of that what you will

@alphalp.4454

27 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia cool my reply got sucked into the netherworlds oh well im gonna keep it short as im just confusing myself now with how all of this works timline wise as the wiki has completly confused me the nail in mt damavad is what turned og jungle sumeru into dessert sumeru which rukkhadevata then some time ago (id say at least a thousand years ago) then turned some of it into jungle sumeru again and also made the wall of samiel to prevent the jungle from beeing desertified again when this all happened exactly beats me i have no clue anymore tho i think it was either around or after the war with the second who came (which mightve been an abyssjuice roided up nibelung) and for the second part it mustve been after war with the second who came because thats when nabu crashlanded in the dessert after 2 of the 3 moons got corrupted and died leaving her massively wounded but alive to aimlessly wander for a bit until she made ay khanoum with deshret for the jin she axidentaly made and since ay khanoum was said to have been ruled over by the 3 gods it mustve been around this time that they met with amun and rukka probably knowing eachother for a bit longer

Okay just saying I wish they actually gave us exact ages like for people like xiao and venti bc we only know that venti ascended to godhood around 2600 years ago and we know xiao was enslaved by another god for some time and was found by Zhongli around 2000 years old, but like how old were they before like venti in his little spirt form and xiao during the years he was under the god. Like what is the ages now lore or something just give us an exact age Also raiden age also confusing since we don't know how old both of the siblings are and how long they have been in the royal family or when they were born. In conclusion Genshin be gatekeeping some ages for no reason at all

@harmonialarts

28 күн бұрын

Counting your age has a purpose in keeping track of your physical and mental development, but beings who are essentially immortal and after a certain point stop changing physically there just isn't a point of counting the years anymore outside of keeping track of the flow of time. As lore enthusiasts it is frustrating but logically it makes sense that after a certain point you just stop keeping track of age.

@nethanelmartinezbisono4973

28 күн бұрын

Xiao was found by Zhongli even before Guizhong died, so he is actually much older than Ganyu

@Ei_Shogun

28 күн бұрын

@@nethanelmartinezbisono4973that doesn't say much since ghuizhong died during the archon war around 2000 years ago. Xiao's minimal age is still 2000 years while ganyu's is higher.

@nethanelmartinezbisono4973

28 күн бұрын

@@Ei_Shogun You are totally wrong for many reasons: 1. Ganyu was a kid when Guizhong died, she wasn´t even told her story until recently cuz she was too young to be included in their conversations unlike who was already fighting alongside his companions. 2. Liyue Harbor was stablished more than 3,500 years ago, and that happened AFTER the dead of Guizhong, she died quite early in the war, and that time, Xiao was already fighting god´s remains and was already rescued from the "evil god" who enslaved him. 3. Ganyu has always treated Xiao as her sénior, and that is not a matter of strength as Xiao is stronger than most other Adeptus and yet, they don´t treat him the way Ganyu does

@_hector__

28 күн бұрын

@@Ei_Shogun How tf is xiao younger than ganyu 💀ganyu has good etiquette so theres a good reason why she addressed him as her superior/senior

Let's wait for Natlan and Sneznaya, but it's interesting that the old ones are between Lyue and Sumeru........

For Apep age its kinda complicate but its age is maybe just irrevelent If you read the description of the World boss mythical beast Setekh Wenut Its state: "Legend has it that in ancien past beafor even the concept of Time was created " Its state that in a certain ages the very concept of Time d'int even existe, so it may Seen crazy but maybe Apep is just older than the concept of Time itself make her age impossible to calcul 💀 Its also state in the Lore of The staff of Scarlet sand That the Primordial one creat weight... Littarely lol So its just a spéculation but Maybe the "Light realm" were the dragon sovereing came from was a realm whiout concept of Time, whiout weight, whiout Gravity or anything a normal World/univers is suppose to have. And then After beating the sh*t out of the dragon PHANES,THE PRIMORDIAL ONE SOVEREING OF SOVEREING just créat everything Human nedeed, the concept of Time, weight and all the other concept and lawns to form the macrocosmos of Teyvat (I mean the Primordial one have 4 shade that have authority over Time,space,Death and life , i can't even imagine how Omnipotent and powerfull the primordial must be 💀)

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

and just when i thought the primordial one could get better

Im pretty sure Ei can replace ganyu or be at 4th place, she and makoto existed even before the archon war

@shadowpriest2574

28 күн бұрын

So did Ganyu, no?

@nicolas._.2294

28 күн бұрын

​@@shadowpriest2574ye....the age is confusing, it's just that..I think maybe Ganyu was more of teen, while ei and her sister were young adults I think....not sure how this works.....

@Elti979

28 күн бұрын

Probably but I don't think so

@Stro2101

28 күн бұрын

The main reason she is not in the list is because we don't know her approximate age and when the conflict of Archon War ended in Inazuma. So we know she is 2000+ but it is unknown if she is 3000+ like Ganyu.

I like how they joked about the harem route

I thought the traveler would be trillions of trillion of years old bc they would be old as the stars in real life

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

28 күн бұрын

No evidence for that though. Dawit has already cleared up why so I won't repeat it. We'll have to see.

@kevingame3198

28 күн бұрын

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks but my assumption is that there star forms are made of Stars are giant balls of hot gas - mostly hydrogen, with some helium and small amounts of other elements. But in human form there skin is hard as diamonds Because they are numerous instances where the traveler aka aether or lumine gets hurt like if it was nothing only to get back up like raiden shogun first encounter didn't go well and getting shot at by beisht so theres nothing human about the traveler (aether or lumine) so it's most likely more to there powers. As for there age I used Science as a reference. Every star has its own life cycle, ranging from a few million to trillions of years. Now apply that to aether and lumine. You get the idea of how old there are but being stuck on teyvat for 500 years is just a small spec of time bc there able to outlive everyone and everything and even out live the archon the gods and even adeptis.

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

Stars aren't trillions of years old. The universe is considered to be around 13.5 billion years old Well that's been challenged recently but it won't shift by too much.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

27 күн бұрын

@@kevingame3198 I mean, you're taking a lot of liberties with the science of stars and anatomy here which really isn't needed. All we know is that they have seen stars get birthed and die and they have traveled numerous worlds. This doesn't mean that they're literally as powerful or as old as stars or have the energy density. It's extrapolating too much from too little. As Dawit said, for all we know, it can just be due to the rate at which they have travelled the corridors of time. It's still inconclusive for now, they could be older than stars, as old or not even close, we just don't know right now.

@mihacimpric745

24 күн бұрын

According to our current knowledge, stars do not live anywhere close to trillions of years, so that is rather impossible. Hell, our entire universe is estimates to be about 14 billion years old.

methodology :3 methodology :( methodology :D

to slightly alleviate the debacle of number 4. i guess its safe to assume the gods predate any of the adepti, as their power was taught to them by morax. that would put guoba and guizhong at roughly the same age. for the rest of them, the line "old fossils" could just be in reference to their conservativeness while she chooses to adapt and change. in retrospect their ages would be close enough that it wouldnt matter.

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

27 күн бұрын

The problem is... In Xianyun's lore, it's mentionned that the Adepti existed before the Gods, or more accurately didn't wait for the arrival of the Gods to come into being...

Bro is always cooking😂

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

:D

The shot where Ganyu was a baby was probably not Liyue Hrabour. The Guili Assembly dynasty was in fact a prosperous ''kingdom'' back in the time Guizhong and Zhongli ruled it. it had markets, cities and even had advanced technology as per lore. and it was BIG. Man I wish somebody would render visuals of what the Guili assembly era would have looked like, based on the ruins we have in game.

The thing about Rukkhadevata is we dont know if she was the original dedro archon. When Deshret and Rukkhadevata cleansed his kingdom of forbidden knowledge, the story says that Rukkhadevata used up all her power and reverted to a childlike form which ia exactly what happens with Nahida. After Irminsul was altered, everyone from Teyvat percieves Nahida as the original dendro archon who used up her power and reverted to a child like form during the cataclysm.

traveler cant drink bcs they are underage traveler in question age: star born and die in lifespan of that

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

Traveler never denies anything said about them, except their ability to handle ordinary-level challenges. Even if some mayfly youngster like Scaramouche calls the Traveler "mortal" or "human".

I know we haven't run into her in the game, but Egeria must be older than Zhongli. She was created by one of the shades of the primordial one as a replacement of the heart of primordial sea after the defeat of the original hydro sovereign dragon.

@chimk1nb055

28 күн бұрын

Still debatable though. Same goes to Venti. He is among the 1000 winds of time as a wisp. That means he has 999 "siblings/kins". The God of Time is Istaroth, prob the shade of time herself. Like Egeria, they both are some of the early creations of the shades, and creatures (possibly) born in the current New World system (since that's post the Primordial One usurping the sovereign dragons). Yet Barbatos is stated to be the second eldest of the Seven after Morax. Mora can be found in the united civilization ruins (Primordial One Era.) And his earliest records was him making an appearance during the fall of the Lunar Palace and death of the moon sisters. That happened at the very beginning upon the dawn of the New World (present Teyvat). Even so he still have more than a thousand years of unknown history in-between periods to periods. Age wise, he is already suspicious enough for knowing how the world 'used to' looked like before current timeline Teyvat (Elixir lore); implying he may be present in the Old World era.

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

27 күн бұрын

@@chimk1nb055 I might add that what you said perfectly align with the newest information about the Adepti that we have received in Xianyun's lore where I quote: _''Through the cosmos, the immortals (Adepti) came into being without waiting for the gods, acting without waiting for light and dark - moistening the woods and grass, soaking into metal and rock, their way of nature, their beginning unknown, their end unknowable." In simple terms - the world has its limits, and the adepti were not in fact created by the gods.''_ Given the mention of the Cosmos, and that the Adepti are *''closer to the origin of the ultimate truth''* again from Xianyun's lore, and given that Zhongli had been refferend to as a star in multiple occasions... that just ever makes him so mysterious.

Egeria should be the 2nd oldest after Apep she was created by shade of life as the heart of the primordial sea right after Hydro Sovereign was removed from its position as the heart of the primordial sea, which would have been after Primordial one won against the sovereigns and took authority over Teyvat. either that or when Hydro Sovereign died(potentially after the hinted 2nd fight against PO that Nibelung had using forbidden knowledge) it's vague but the text says "removed" though so it gives "forcefully removed" vibes rather than stopped being heart of the primordial sea because of death or something, which would imply the former more so than latter, aka she was created right after the primordial one took authority over Teyvat. either way, either of these interpretations should make her at the very minimum 3rd oldest, maximum 2nd oldest.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

weve never met egeria

@motemo8413

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia true but if you stretch it, we have met her remains in the form of tree in World quest kekw

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

26 күн бұрын

You forget a monor but very important detail, Egeria was most likely created only AFTER the war of vengeance, so after the second who came ruined the PO's functions, given that before that event, it was the Primordial one who held into all the powers and authorities of the realm...

I was listening instead of watching and at some point I thought "why is so much of the world's problems caused by irrigation?" 😂😂😂

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

i did a paper my freshman year of college on vietnamese irrigation and its effecrs on the environment

Just watch as the Sinner is revealed to be a being that predates the Sovereigns. I know there are theories about the guy being someone else, but … what if the Sinner is just … not? He could just be a sentient talking crysta- omg, if he somehow turns out to be related to the Genesis Pearl, then we’re about to have some intense Lore coming at us in the near future.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

LORE IS COMING

Alright. As usual I will put down my answers before watching the video. (1) Azhdaha, Neuvillette, Apep - I'll just put them all down together. Couple of billion years old each. Neuvillette is a bit senile and has trouble remembering his older lives. It should be noted that for all we know those crystal flies we grabbed the other day were about as old. If Kapatcir counts as someone we "met" than she's here too. (2) Sibling - ie just as old as Traveler which is a lot older than most folks in Teyvat. Perhaps as old as the Primordial One or any Surviving Seelie. I suspect they may be just a little older but hardly worth worrying about. So we've met "Phobos" or the other golden Bees which I guess are Seelies. How old are they all? A million? A couple hundred thousand years old? Unknown. Paimon might be this old. (3) Scylla and the All Devouring Narwhal. Well there's not much of a clue how old they are but they are the only things in Teyvat we've met from potentially the era before the big war ie during the Unified Civilization's era. Unless you count Hypostases. They are probably from that era too. Age maybe a few tens of thousands of years old. Talking of inexplicable weird alien stuff the living domain at the bottom of the chasm might be in this category. But with that thing who has any idea. Maybe Pahsiv is in this age category? She feels more like the next. I guess the Sustainer (if she is a Shade) would be in this category too, and would be about the oldest within this category. (4) Apep's gut bug critters (the one's from Nahida's 2nd story quest) and Ukko (the priest of Sal Vindagnyr). These guys seem to have been born just after the big war and may have, indeed Ukko definitely did, witness the dropping of the Nails. Yeah Ukko had a good view of that. I guess the guard mechanisms on Dragonspine are the same age but not a "character" I suppose. These guys are less than 10,000 years old but still above something like 7000. I wonder if the Golden Wolflord might be this old. It's really not clear if Rhinedottir "made" them or just "summoned" them from another planet they were busy eating. Even if she did create them from nothing the age may not be far off 7000. Any of the oldest gods who still live might be this age category. For example if Deshret or Remus were alive still. Perhaps Andrius is this old? Dain seemed to think Andrius was a better quality of god than the more recent batch. (5) The youngest group I will consider would be people like Zhongli. less than 7000 years old, but older than about 5000 so as to exclude Ruin Golems (who are also not characters). This would include gods and Adepti though it feels like the oldest Youkai have moved on already. Perhaps the Boatman of Tsurumi island is such a being? The big talking fungus in the Chasm doesn't strike me as this old, but possibly.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

apeps bug critters is absurd lmfao

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

Gut bugs! The whole quest is like taking Apep some probiotics. @@DawitsLookingforEmilia

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

I think most gods and adepti witnessed the nails falling down. I estimate that happening about 4000 years ago. So Ganyu never saw that, but Fujin certainly remembers dealing with the refugees.

@davidjohnson8273

26 күн бұрын

Every creature old enough that we've met, talks about the Nails. Ancient dragons (Apep and Kapatcir), Seelie (Goddess of Flowers) but never a god. Sybilla and Azhdaha were buried underground at the time and they don't talk about the Nails. No gods and no illuminated beasts or youkai mention them. > Fujin certainly remembers dealing with the refugees. Where do you get that from? I don't remember her talking about them until after they have been around a little. But in general one or two older illuminated beasts might precede the gods, such as Moon Carver or Fujin. @@kotarouinugami1745

@kotarouinugami1745

25 күн бұрын

@@davidjohnson8273 She talks about people who used to live in the Chasm, but due to "geological changes" migrated to Chenyu Vale. And the nails seem to be part of information that Archons know, but never tell outsiders.

That little fortune teller is so freakin funny

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

sis was mind blown

Now that you mentionned the Adepti, he're the neat part : _''Through the cosmos, the immortals (Adepti) came into being without waiting for the gods, acting without waiting for light and dark - moistening the woods and grass, soaking into metal and rock, their way of nature, their beginning unknown, their end unknowable." In simple terms - the world has its limits, and the adepti were not in fact created by the gods.''_ That's in Xianyun's friendship level stories... That just clears the confusion, because people assume Gods need to be older than the Adepti... it seems like it's not the case. And Zhongli being the Ancestor of the Adepti only deserves a bombastic side eye to the man because these strange occurrences are piling up in his case. Because if you look closely into it, the Adepti that are qualified as ''Young'' are Xiao and Gnayu, these two are already several thousands of years old, so neither the Vermillion set not the bamboo first book's mention of him being ''young'' is conclusive about his age. And if you want to get into some Daoist technicality, when he descended 6000+ years ago, he was already able to move mountains and seas, given that Adepti grow powerful with cultivation and refinement, and therefore age, I don't see any of the old Adepti reaching that level of power just yet even the most cultivated amongst them, Cloud Retainer and the happy bunch, assume that they cannot match that level of power, yet along the ''young'' ones... So him being ''Young'' and THAT powerful at that time doesn't add up, at least it goes against how cultivation and illumination works, that consolidates the theory of ''Demotion'' from heavens if any.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

tbf rex lapis is the prime of the adepti and the only god among the adepti, he probably crafted the art

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

27 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Cultivation is not an art though, it's a practice, it's the refining of one's self and the accumulation of the Qi, the Vital energy (or Adeptal energy or spiritual energy in that case not to be confounded with elemental energy which is earth aligned) him "creating" it would literally mean he's the primordial one Lol, so that's not the case, but at least we know for a solid fact that the art of "Subpace creation" is within his dominion, quoting Streetward Rambler, even at their level they cannot match the level of mastery he has over that art, presumably, he was able to treat the real world the way we interact within our teapot... that's very giving if you'd ask me Also, HUGE HUGE UNDERLINE at the start of the quote through the cosmos ... Just so you know people often mistake elemental and adeptal energy, these are different elements of the power of the Adepti, given that in Xianxia, the spiritual energy allows the beholder to ascend to heaven, but accumulation of Yang energy (elemental energy in the case of Genshin) makes the creature bind to earth. That, at least for me, explains why the Archons are bound to the world of Teyvat and are basically ''demons'', they have within them the Authorities of the elements, which is an accumulation of Yang energy, the earth energy.

What's interesting is that in some of the old genshin videos (like the one announcing Liyue as a new nation) you can see Lumine (with the light element) travelling with Paimon. It could be a mistake or just some promotional videos for the game, but it does raise some questions lol

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

that is sus. wonder if it was left over

@FIRSTNAMELASTNAME32123

18 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia I assume it is, especially w/ the new dain quest

"Teyvat has its own laws" - Why are we assuming stars are millions of years old, the stars in Teyvat are not gaseous balls like the ones in reality, so I'm sure their lifespans are different too. That still leaves the Traveller's age a mystery.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

19 күн бұрын

cause teyvat is a continent and not the universe

CLOUDYAPPER AND STREETWRAD YAPPER 🗣

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

on my hands and knees waiting for streetward rambler dawg

What about Azhdaha? He’s older than Morax and is a OG sovereign.

@MiniFatRat

28 күн бұрын

We don’t know if he’s actually a sovereign but imo he probably was

@_datsu

28 күн бұрын

@@MiniFatRat The chinese version calls him a sovereign. Also, he has many implications, such as knowing about the old world and he was yapping about how archons replaced sovereigns.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

azdaha was the only one i was iffy on (desc lol) but I never saw a number with him, nor is it confirmed hes a sovereign or an original sovereign so I just left him be

@_datsu

27 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia He’s actually stated to be older than Morax himself and the Chinese calls him a dragon sovereign.

You forgot Xiao in the number 4 spot since he's older than Ganyu (she calls him her senior) and he was already about before or at the start of the Archon War but he was imprisoned by that one demon or smth. Other than that, THANK GOD you didn't put a certain beverage connaisseur on the list.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

xiao character story writes: "Xiao may have the appearance of a young man, but his true age is something over two thousand years." ganyu adressing him in the manner she does felt more like a respect thing then anything, he is general alatus afterall

@The_original_one

28 күн бұрын

​@@DawitsLookingforEmiliabut xiao was present when guezong died and that was around 3700 years ago we saw that.

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

And Ganyu says she met Guizhong a few times. @@The_original_one

@The_original_one

28 күн бұрын

@@davidjohnson8273 yeah ofcourse she did but she was basically kid during half the war .

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

Zhongli was a kid during half the war. So what? We're comparing her with Xiao. @@The_original_one

Street word Rambler sounds like a rapper low key. Why couldn't she be the one rapping at the liyue festival man?

What about Egeria then? Wasn't she theoretically created by a shade during the time they were active?

Or the traveler's could have seen others of their kind (stars) born and die. Doesn't help their ages, but "stars" COULD refer to a race of their kind, since they have been called stars.

Azhdaha is a lot older than Zhongli, Zhongli even confirmed this

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

zhongli said his lifespan is nothing compared to an elemental being like azdaha, but that doesnt tell us how old azdaha is

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

I think the only way to reconcile all the different estimates of Azhdaha's life, is to say that at some point he reincarnated, just like Neuvillette.

@kotarouinugami1745

26 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Still, Azdaha seems to be at the end of his lifespan. Because he keeps forgetting things that are important to him.

4:09 its pronounced as Push pa ba ti ka Meaning garden of flowers.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

oh ty

Azhdaha is definitely as old as Apep if not older. In Zhongli's 2nd SQ he says that he is older than the Mountains and Oceans that Judge. Mountains is clearly a way of saying he is older than Teyvat itself and Oceans that Judge probably is a metaphor for the Original Hydro Dragon Sovereign because he was the Heart of the Ocean who ideal was to Judge.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

phanes made those mf mountains

The oldest beings on Teyvat are the Sovereign Dragons. Apep is the only confirmed one to still be alive, and Neuvillette is a reincarnation of the Hydro Dragon so he is much younger. Let's see if Hoyoverse decides to add another living original sovereign

I still wonder how zhongli still has that bod when he suffering from erosion😅 .

What happened to egeria? Was she not create the guard the primordial sea after the sovereigns were vanquished? But ig we’ve never met her so-

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

yeaaa weve never met her so i left her be

Ganyu mentioned seeing Guizhong around while she was alive in the 3.4 Lantern Rite IIRC, so she’s definitely 3700+ years old.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

is that a fact

@nilubensonofnimruzir1637

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Ganyu: Although I met Guizhong a few times, I never knew anything of this particular story... From 3.4's Lantern Rite.

@lratioyourmom5608

28 күн бұрын

​@@DawitsLookingforEmiliacheck the 3.4 lantern rite bro

massive problem. we never met the greater lord rukhadevata. therefore, she can't be on this list, since the title of the video is "oldest characters WE'VE EVER MET". also, since she was erased from history, nahida basicaly did everything the greater lord did. this mean nahida's livespan was even greater then the greater lord's since she was alive after her "mom" got erased. also, shouldn't unknown god, which is 1 of the 4 shades be old enough to be at least top 2? we did meet her, after all.

@_datsu

28 күн бұрын

I think you’re taking the semantics used a little bit too seriously. That’s only as the people remember. Physically, Rukkhadevata still did everything, but people THINK that it was Nahida who did so. The events didn’t change, only people’s memory of what happened.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

we interacted with rukk's consciousness. i figuered thats us meeting her, even if it wasent in the flesh. as for the unknown god, we have no confirmation shes a shade. i personally believe she is, but we dont know for sure.

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

Hm. But if memory ghosts count then we also talked the the ghost of Aberaku who might even have been alive during the Ancient Civilization before Enkanomiya fell into the sea. Well he was a bit out of it but that may have been because his soul was split into parts. @@DawitsLookingforEmilia

@ericcardinal9138

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia sure, but nahida was existing as a leaf/branch of the irminsul before being nahida. the tree itself existed for either more time or as much time as the greater lord and nahida continued to exit after she stoped, so nahida is still older then the greater lord.

@ericcardinal9138

28 күн бұрын

@@_datsu you're mistaken. the irminsul's memory having changed changed not the memory of the people, but the history of the world. scaramouch story quest is a great exemple. scaramouch changed history itself. that's why he wasn't scaramouch anymore, but wanderer. the god boss at the end had no scaramouch inside. it was empty, but in this rewritten history, there was no scaramouch for the doctor to put inside. what nahida did ain't "erasing the greater lord from everyone's memory, but erasing her from history, making it so that everything the greater lord ever did, nahida did it herself. a proof of that is nahida's profil dialogue. after the main scenario of sumeru is done, is there still a single mention of the greater lord in her dialogue? nope. some of her profil dialogue were changed, while other straight up disapeared.

Methology is giving Heavenly Principles😂

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

:D

I think Scylla is as old as Apep. 4.6 Artifact called him “The prince of vishaps who once served the spirit of the ancient sea,” so he seems to know the original Hydro Dragon.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

do we know when the hydro dragon died

@davidjohnson8273

25 күн бұрын

Might mean Egeria?

How about the sustainer? We ran into her after all

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

21 күн бұрын

do u know hold she is

@another_eu_player8035

21 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia she has to be older than at least ganyu right? Wasn't she the one that dropped the sky nails?

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

21 күн бұрын

the master of the heavens dropped the sky nails

LORE!!!

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

YES GABEL LORE

Eageria(however it's spelled) should also be extremely old

@Elti979

28 күн бұрын

We haven't met her so that is the reason she is not in this video

You can actually do age scaling on people like Ei You can find out that shes about 4000-5000 years old The Archon war started 2600 years ago, Ei and her Sister were fully fledged adults by then, and in her teaser trailer we can see what life was like for her *BEFORE* the archon war took place, one *EXTREMELY* important note is Kistune Saiguu. She was a divine priestess and she was able to turn into a human In Japanese Mythology Kistune can turn human when they reach the age of 100 years, and Kistune Saiguu was stated to be Yae Miko's elder, Yae miko still talks about her as if Saiguu was older than she is now which is around 500 So if the archon war was 2600 years ago, kistune Saiguu is atleast 500 years old at the point it started That should make Ei and Makoto around 3100 years old *ATLEAST* take into fact inazuma was built by the twins and nations take thousands of years to build, and the fact Ei gained another 500 years in her battle against the puppet And Ei's plane of Euthymia works differently than the real world, as when we enter her plane and exit it's as if time had stopped or had been extremely slowed down, evident by the first time we escape and Thoma and Paimon are still in their same positions even tho realistically they should be swarmed by Guards, so for Ei she literally could have been in there for tens of thousands of years

@LaSignorasfav

28 күн бұрын

And there's this weird thing about the Twins and Nahida Nahida technically existed since the beginning as she was a branch of irmuinsel but Rudukhavahta gave her consciousness Same with the twins as they're just lightning given consciousness again lol, I personally theorized that when the Electro sovereign died some of its power slipped out and struck the ground as a large bolt of lightning The positive charge of the lightning was Makoto and the negative charge was Ei

@The_original_one

28 күн бұрын

Wtf Archon war ended in monstate 2600 years ago It didn't started around that time Also earliest records of the archon war is around 3700 years ago when guezong died and lyue harbour was founded.

@hype5471

28 күн бұрын

We have no confirmation that kitsune saiguu was there for the archon war. 🤔

@LaSignorasfav

27 күн бұрын

@@The_original_one my bad then this simply proves my point even more, thank you tho actually

@LaSignorasfav

27 күн бұрын

@@hype5471 Ei's teaser trailer shows her whole friend group, saiguu is there and the tengu warrior, he died fighting orobashi presumably during or a few years after the archon war, so Saiguu also participated

im confused, so neuvilette when regaining his full power has the memories of the previous hydro sovereign or what?

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

ya

@drip6856

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia so does that kinda mean neuvilette is mentally as old as apep

Alice named once mentioned in Enkanomiya

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

WHERE

@sangonomiyakokomi1054

28 күн бұрын

The Byakuyakoku collection; Arisu= Eris/Alice

where the age of our beloved sustainer of heavenly principle >/////

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

:3

10:20 legit thought it would be the primordial one

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

havent met phanes :(

The Twins are 168,694,207 Terran (Earth) Years Old!

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

WHAT IS TERRAN

@EthHawke94

28 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia you gotta mention this meme age in you videos!

Isn't azhdaha older than Morax himsel ?

genshin mention which means lyney mention

@WardFortuna

27 күн бұрын

i have no other adding thoughts to this post . dawit upload 👍

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

earth mention which means lyney mention

@WardFortuna

26 күн бұрын

@@DawitsLookingforEmilia universe mention which means lyney mention

APEP OUR FAVOURITE LIZARD GRANDMA 🫡

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

SMOKIN THAT APEP PACK

song name at 7:00?

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

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@Azzywrld224

28 күн бұрын

8:03 Uhmm???

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

27 күн бұрын

NO UR COOL AZZY :D

Could the traveller be older than the primordial one?

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

no clue

What about Azhdaha?

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

gimmie number

I think Ei is older than ganyu and even the other adepti- given the fact that the archon war started in inazuma over 2500 and she seemed pretty mature and we can say that gods stop aging after a while we can say that she was already abt 1000 years old and Ei was alive for the ALL of the point- but we also know that life was peaceful before that and Kitsune saiguu had abt 9 tails or close to that meaning she was over 900 years old to which she may have known Ei for half or more than half of that age putting Ei at round 3600+ and if we’re being technical she did fight the puppet for 500 years putting her at around 4100+ but eh idk

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

yea both the twins are super tough given we know nothing about their history

So like, we just straight up forget Egeria? Azhdaha, the Shade's and the Moon Sister's? I feel like spots 3-1 are wrong/inconclusive.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

title g. weve never met egeria, shades (that we know of) or the moon sisters. we dont have a number for azdahas age, nor a confirmation hes a sovereign let alone an original sovereign

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

I don't understand why people seem to want to deny Azhdaha is the sovereign. He's billions of years old. He goes out of his way to tell us that. Are we saying there's a bunch of other geo dragons that old and he's just one of them? Azhdaha: "Water? You kids today. When I were a lad, we didn't have and fancy stuff like LIQUIDs. Back then we only had ONE phase of matter and it only worked on a Tuesday. I remember when they invented water. Bad idea if you ask ME." @@DawitsLookingforEmilia

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

27 күн бұрын

​@@DawitsLookingforEmilia Mb, but we did meet Azhdaha and whilst we don't have a specific age for him, we don't have one for Apep either, even still we still have an age range for him at least and we know he's older than Zhongli and Teyvat. Him being sovereign or not isn't relevant to his age. Also this sovereign Azhdaha debate is knackered by now and not even really a thing in CN, I suppose we can thank EN localisation team for this but there's more than enough to imply it by now. I don't even think explicit confirmation is necessary either, Apep is never explicitly referred to as a sovereign but people were able to join the dots for her, they'll just need to do the same for Azhdaha eventually.

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

26 күн бұрын

The problem with Egeria is that she was created to replace the heart of the primordial sea... I reckon people just assume that was AT THE BEGINNING of creation which might not be the case, knowing the PO used to have ABSOLUTE authority and only needed to create such avatars after the second war or vengeance, before that event, they held on to the full authorities... Therefore Egeria must have been created after the second commer.

👀

8:20 i hear gamer word 💀

@IAmNotDiluc

28 күн бұрын

?

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

gamer word lmfao no shot

traveler gotta hit on ganyu she a baddie cmon

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

THE BADDEST

i am disappointed that THE PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS isn't on 1st place and i know that 1. we haven't encountered him yet 2. Apep was there before he came, although that argument can be countered since THE PRIMORDIAL ONE A PROGENITOR GOD HAILING FROM BEYOND THE STARS must have been already old when he descended to teyvat, since he was so powerful that said ngl i still feel disappointed

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

the way u put it in caps lmfao yea phanes is a tricky one. the whole list just becomes very different if i dont make it just people weve run into

@thebettafish3239

27 күн бұрын

​@@DawitsLookingforEmilia have a noice day

1:46 they don't say the Twins have seen the birth and death of the SAME star. Hell you've been alive long enough to have had stars be born and die in your life time even if you only count the stars in this galaxy. There's about 100 billion stars in the Milky Way. The difference is you never saw it happen because they were all too far away, so you can't really be said to have witnessed it. Having said that there have been two Earth visible supernovae since 1604, so you wouldn't have to be all that old to be able to say you've witnessed the deaths of stars plural. Witnessing the births is harder as it's less spectacular. But you get the idea. You don't have to be all THAT old in cosmic terms. For this and other reasons I'd clock in the Twins at somewhere around 6 or low 7 digits. 4:02 I think Ganyu was in the army from at least Guili days and my guess is that the scene of her as a kid is from Guili. But Guili ends in 3700 so this shot may be a fair bit older. I'd put Ganyu down as 4000-ish. 6:55 oh yeah I forgot Nahida is probably one of the older gods so she'd be in my 7-10,000 year old slot. But not old enough to have seen the Nails come down so not as old as Ukko. Don't sweat the desert/rainforest stuff because the range on a Nail isn't as great as all of Sumeru anyway. Otherwise all of Mondstadt would be ice and half of Inazuma would be foggy. 10:25 Well it seems like the ages of the Sovereigns simply track the age when the planet had that element so in the case of Apep it's as old as a typical planet has had any forms of life. So she's younger than Neuvillette because life is sourced from water, but then Azhdaha is older again because you get rock before you get oceans. As for Kapatcir I assume between Azhdaha and Neuvillette. Azhdaha says straightforwardly that he's older than the oceans. On earth the oceans formed about 3.8 billion years ago, which is presumably about how old Neuvillette is, but rock formed a little earlier. While we don't know the numbers for Teyvat this is a reasonable way to approximate things. As such with life forming almost as soon as the oceans, Apep would be about 3.7 billion too.

@_datsu

28 күн бұрын

> “Well it seems like the ages of the Sovereigns simply track the age when the planet had that element” What are you basing this off of? Also, why’s kapaticir mentioned here? > “On earth the oceans formed about 3.8 billion years ago, which is presumably about how old Neuvillette is, but rock formed a little earlier. While we don't know the numbers for Teyvat this is a reasonable way to approximate things.” This isn’t a reasonable way to approximate things at all and is unprecedented, the planet of Tevyat could be much younger.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

fight fight fight !

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

Well it's based on Azhdaha's bragging. Good Azhdaha says; "that which is derived of the earth is no more or less than the earth itself..." Bad Azhdaha says: "No, no! It is I, Azhdaha, forged of elemental crystal, bearer of the weight and memories of the earth, older than the mountains and the oceans that decides! I will not swear allegiance to this insect!" So I am merely saying oceans are about 3.8 billion and Azhdaha says he's older. But there's more to it as Azhdaha claims some affinity for the earth itself as a concept. Similarly according to the legends of the Hydro Vishaps the Sovereign of Water gives rise to all life which corresponds to the scientific origin of life in bodies of water (as it is currently supposed). Again Apep's gut bugs say, "The Dendro Dragon nurtured the earliest life-forms, and protected us inside of itself" suggesting a link between life itself and the Dendro dragon. So there is a correspondence between the element and the dragon. Of course the dragon is made of the elementary energy and is in some sense a personification of it. We're told that if Apep were to die there'd be a sort of explosion of Dendro energy. Since the Sovereigns simply keep reincarnating if they die, it's logical that the same beings have been around since the beginning of the accumulation of the elemental energies that they represent on this planet. Therefore their ages are the age of the element (more or less). @@_datsu

@nilubensonofnimruzir1637

28 күн бұрын

@@davidjohnson8273 I mean, it's a fantasy world. We can't really apply real world conventions like oceans or continents taking hundreds of millions of years to form to Teyvat.

@davidjohnson8273

28 күн бұрын

then what does Azhdaha mean by saying he's older than the oceans? seems a pretty straightforward sentence. @@nilubensonofnimruzir1637

Yeah I hate the propaganda against the The Primordial one, a progenitor god hailing beyond the star

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

amen

I’m late I’m sorry :(

@IAmNotDiluc

28 күн бұрын

Chill we’re not gonna grill you on open fire

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

shit im even later

Ah yes the methodology that really doesn’t work because we have no idea of the ages of people like Ei.

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

true

@citoyenneteavanttout7273

27 күн бұрын

But we know for fact that she's younger than Zhongli and Venti, given that these are the oldest of the seven in Zhongli's own voicelines

Pramodial one = paimon Zhongli= sun god I am not watching your video because my gf is rude 😅😅😅 How to break up Mr dawit

@IAmNotDiluc

28 күн бұрын

WHAT….

@IAmNotDiluc

28 күн бұрын

Yo these comments are wild 😭

@DawitsLookingforEmilia

28 күн бұрын

ELITE ANIME NOOOOOOOOO

I like how they joked about the harem route