distorted audio right off the top inspires confidence

Great video. Your audio is rough though.

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jared, appreciate the feedback. True, it’ll be something I work on in future videos.

@JonasStuart

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 You've just gone in too hot. -10db is where you want to top out °¬)

Awesome 👏 video, C-Dubz! This man is a legend in the game

Checking your audio levels is a good idea.

I'd say rolling shutter or motion capture performance is another very important aspect of any camera. And the URSA Mini Pro 12K has virtually no rolling shutter in 8K mode. That's huge in my opinion.

@chriswarren112

11 ай бұрын

My apologies for the late reply, but you are absolutely correct. I don't think Iv've ever shot 12k on this camera for paid work. Its always 8k.

Awesome review, man. Cheers

Thanks a lot, man. That was very interesting and highly appreciated

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey TopicRuben! Thank you for watching! Appreciate the comment.

@topicruben

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 no problem, man. Keep rocking

Thanks it's really useful

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Maogan! Glad I could help a bit!

Muchas gracias por el video. Qué lentes recomiendas para cada una?

this was helpful

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Qvision Media! Glad I could help! Thank you for the feedback.

good explanations ..

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Haris! Thank you for commenting!

Where have bmd said their going to update the g2 because I don't think they will to sell more 12ks 🤔🤔

So it’s possible to use lenses designed for super16 format and get 6k or 4k resolution from that super16 sensor size/crop? Depending on the sharpness/resolution specs of the lenses of course

@chriswarren112

Жыл бұрын

Sped Slojp that is correct. Back when I had an UMP G1, I shot Super 16 2k ProRes 444 a lot for narrative work. The affordability of renting solid S16 glass was great and here in LA, there were a lot of lens options. I have yet to do that on this 12k camera.

thank u man. the only advantage of the 4.6k is the greater dynamic range. Really strange that on the 12 it is slightly lower. But on 12k is there a very high crop when shooting in 8 6 or 4k? I wanted to understand how come they have the same price. some rip off in 12 there must be XD

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Deca_ph! On paper, the advantage is DR, but I do think its really close. The crop discussion is interesting with the 12k. There is no crop when shooting 12k, 8k, and 4k, it scales down the S35 sensor. Now, there is Super 16 modes in 6K (the only mode for that resolution) and in 4k (you have the option to shoot full S35 or Super 16). So that will crop in. The 12k was originally $10,000 US when released. However since it is BRAW ONLY, I do believe that was a reason it didn’t sell well. I am super happy with my 12k and haven’t been limited with it at all. The color is truly beautiful.

@Belamarimages

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 I have 12K and G1 and would definitely say that 12K has the same or even a bit more DR than my G1. I don't have G2 but think that G1 and G2 have the same DR, so go figure....;)

When shooting lower resolutions on the 12K, does it crop in like the G2 does? Shooting Braw of course.

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey John! Thank you for commenting. The UMP 12k does NOT crop when shooting lower resolutions. It only crops when using S16 mode. There are S35 and S16 options in 4k, and only S16 in 6k.

I know the Blackmagic Ursa min pro G2 has a bad fixed pattern noise problem when it’s recording in low light settings and I mean it has to be very dark, you might see horizontal lines in the sensor. My question is, is there an improvement in the 12K sensor where FPN doesn’t appear as much as it used to compared to 4.6K G2 in very low light maybe pushing around 1600 iso, 3200 is extremely visible.

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Wonder Circle Pictures! Thanks for commenting. I do think most G2 sensors were improved in low light settings, you are correct that you’ll see FPN or like symptoms beyond 1600 ISO. The unit in this video I wouldn’t use past 1250, whereas my G1 I would constantly shoot 1600. As for the 12k, I haven’t used it in settings were I would need to go past 800 ISO. There IS an improvement in this sensor though, and they just released a firmware update (7.7) that improves shadow detail. That’s a great idea for a video actually. I just might shoot something entirely at 2500 just to see and I will post the results! Thanks for the idea!

@criminalvictory

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 PLEASE DO!

Hi chris, a bit late to the show but woud you recommend the Ursa 4.6k g2 for live streaming recording? We want to record in low light environment (clubs) and then broadcast to our App. Thx

@chriswarren112

Жыл бұрын

Hey! Thanks for commenting. It really depends. I'd say go with the UMP Broadcast G2 as its the Pocket 6k sensor in an Ursa Mini body. Plus you get more friendly streaming options, multiple recording codecs, and dual native ISO at 400 & 3200. And, with changing the lens mount, you can then use that camera in a variety of settings (broadcast, narrative, music videos, etc). Hope that helps!

@aiiirlife9273

Жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 Cheers for your feedback. I've been also looking into the Panasonic LUMIX BGH1 as we need 6 mounted cameras. Any experience with them in low light environment?

Did you record the audio with a Nokia 3310?

@chriswarren112

Жыл бұрын

@hmacc ha! I should have, would have sounded better. My buddy who helped shoot this put a lav on me and a zoom h4n on auto level 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️ Live and learn! Next one will be better.

I can't decide between the G2 and the 12k. I'm tempted to go with the 12k but I don't want to shoot all the time in 8k, and even less in 12k, I wish it was a 6k sensor...I also saw that in 8k there is less dynamic range than in 12k and even less in 4k. And with the G2, if we select gen5 in post (DaVinci), does the colors are the same than the 12k?

@chriswarren112

13 күн бұрын

Yo! Thank you for the comment. The dynamic range doesn't change with less resolution on the UMP 12K. The thing that does change is the rolling shutter. It gets better the lower the resolution. With the G2, if changed to Gen5, you get a similar profile, but the colors will never be as good as on the 12K due to the different sensors. The G2 is still a fantastic camera. I recently rented 2 of them for a pilot for Adult Swim. Now, choosing between the two cams, I was presented that choice when my G1 died on me late 2021. The 12K was out for year and the G2 for 2 years. I went 12K to future proof myself. Its a tough decision, as both cameras are amazing, but different.

Im guessing you could use an external recorder and get prores on the 12k?

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Jeremie you are correct. Personally I use a 7inch BMD VA 12G HDR if I need ProRes.

Youre the only other person I have seen using those Anton Bauer batteries lol

@chriswarren112

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, they're an older style that I got re celled. I have newer, slim ones too. Gold mount is the way to go!

What kind of memory to use for the 12k? I just got it and not sure what to use like a memory card or the other option? Just for shooting music videos, nature KZread👏

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Disheartened66, I have 5 Cfast Cards that I use. All Lexar, 2x 3600 256gb, 2x 3500 256 gb, and 1x 3500 128 gb. I haven't shot 12k yet for an actual paid project, 8k has been plenty so far. I do like memory cards because I treat them as mags. I'd rather swap a card out than to load a whole day on one storage unit.

@Disheartened6

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 awesome! Do you use lexar for memory cards? You haven't had any trouble with memory cards though? The minimum speed is 90 isn't? Just wondering if they could handle the camera. Maybe not 12k or even 8k?

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

@@Disheartened6 They can handle 12k at Q3 or 12:1. Anything less they cards cannot handle it. And yes, they are all Lexar.

@carros123

2 жыл бұрын

Donnde estan los videos

Man, the BRAW only kills the 12k for me completely. Even ProRes just on 4k would have been absolutely fantastic for the 12k.

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Anneke, I totally agree having ProRes would be great but it’s not a deal breaker for me. So far many of my clients haven’t minded the BRaw files.

Where did he get 14 stops from? I thought official was 13 stops?

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Daimen, the official stops for the 12k is 14, as listed on their website. Personally I think they are being conservative with that.

@pilsplease7561

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 Thats a lot of dynamic range

You missed the rolling shutter difference and framerates

@kinoromantic

Жыл бұрын

+ rolling shutter on 12k in 4k recoding mode is practically non existent or very negligible at most

How huge are the files if you record in 12K? Can you reasonable shoot a whole feature film in 12K with a few SSDs?

@chriswarren112

10 ай бұрын

Yo Dylan! Honestly, I don't shoot 12k often. I've only done it a handful of times for specific shots. Also, I don't use SSDs just because I'm not a fan of an exterior cable from the body to the SSD that can potentially lose the shot. For that reason alone I use CFast cards. I popped a 256gb card into my camera, and at 12k 16:9 24fps I get 12 mins at 8:1, 18 mins at 12:1, and 28 mins at 18:1. I mainly shoot 8K on the camera, as I find it to be a great balance between media space and ideal roller shutter speeds.

@DylanAsfur

10 ай бұрын

@@chriswarren112 Gotchu, thanks! I was debating whether there is any real benefit to shoot 12K, or if it's just a number to make it sound like the camera has 3 times better quality. Do you notice any quality difference between say 8 and 12K, or is it only when you need to punch the image in during post?

@chriswarren112

10 ай бұрын

According to BMD and DP John Brawley, its better to shoot in 12K for best color and downscaling. I don't disagree with that, BUT I have never tested that. I've shot 8K & 4K on the camera and nobody has complained about the image :) @@DylanAsfur

have they added gen 5 colour to ump g2 now?

@chriswarren112

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately no

@captainradio5894

Жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112how bout now ?

@chriswarren112

Жыл бұрын

@@captainradio5894 ☹️ still no

@BloomfieldProductions

11 ай бұрын

They’ll never add Gen 5 to g1/g2

@chriswarren112

11 ай бұрын

@@BloomfieldProductions I'm no expert, but I would have to agree with you.

Hey Chris that 1 stop of dynamic range. Does that make that much of a difference??

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Asmith, that is totally debatable. To me, I see it more in the shadows.

Are the sensors the same size?

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Robert! While both are Super 35, the 12k sensor size is 27.03mm X 14.25mm, and the G2 is 25.34mm X 14.25. The larger sensor in the 12k allows it to shoot 17:9. Great question!

@robertpaterson5477

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 That's pretty close. Thanks for answering Chris

So the 12k has better iq than the g2 in your opinion?

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

LT Digital, yes, in my opinion I do. The horizon level/crosshair combo is much needed for the doc/handheld work I mostly do. Plus the additional frame guide options are helpful.

@TimandLauren

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 damn thanks chris, u think low light 12k is better too?

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimandLauren you know, it’s hard to say as I haven’t really pushed the 12k yet. I do plan on doing some tests to see. I did do a short recently where I shot 1 stop underexposed and it looked great.

@TimandLauren

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriswarren112 thanks mr warren, appreciate the insight man. I'm coming from the sony fx3, and looking to get into the black magic world would you advise starting out with the bmpcc 6k or saving up for that 12k? lol

@chriswarren112

2 жыл бұрын

@@TimandLauren Yo no problem! Honestly I would say the common answer of what suits your needs the best with the content you’re shooting. I started with the bigger cameras and I make it work for all types of work I do. Granted, I don’t do gimbals and if I need one, I either rent an R2 or hire an owner/op. I just recently picked up a pocket 6k mostly for a B cam for more two cam jobs. With all that said, if it were me, I’d go either G2 or 12k.