Awesome match up, great idea to pit your EDC against the man bun pistol cartridge 👍👍👍. I know it’s outside the recipe for the video, but on this one I would have loved to see how well the shorty 4.7’ Rock conceals on you.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

"Man bun pistol cartridge" 🤣🤣🤣

@nikos6220

9 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets sure, it’s the side arm cartridge of choice for the well styled DMR 6.5 Creedmoor carrier

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're killin me! @@nikos6220

@DrQuagmire1

9 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets Dude, I dare you to do a Benelli M4 video sometime in the near-future

@ShastaBean

7 ай бұрын

actually, terrible match up. Comparing a weakened 5.7 x 28 to a +p+ is about as unbalanced as you can get...1700 fps is like comparing apples to -oranges- sunflower seeds. They've slowed it way down. Why they did that? Is up for debate. There are "theories" and it has to do with the ACTUAL capability of the round. This Speer round expands out of a rifle (see video I have on channel landing page). Prior to 2022 the Gold Dot was around 1850 fps and expanded like it should out of a pistol. But even that is not "+P+"...to compare to that, one would have to get a round from Elite Ammunition and now you are talking "great match up". Whoever it is that is forcing FN/Fiocchi to slow down the 5.7 x 28 - is the one wearing the man bun. Put a 40 gr up around 1950 fps and then let's see what happens? (I have tests into gel what happens).

I own a SW MP 5.7 and it is part of my carry rotation. The bullets are powerful enough to end a threat plus, I got plenty in the mag 😀

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

No doubt they would take care of the task if needed.😎👊

The 5.7 is a good winter round in areas where potential assailants could be wearing thicker jackets like Carhartt.

@billrowan1957

2 ай бұрын

They making Kevlar carhartts? What are you talking about?

@1Almightydeez

2 ай бұрын

@@billrowan1957😂😂😂😂😅

I carry a 9mm gold dot plus p, my wife carries this exact 5.7 load and set up. Don’t have an issue with either round

I would carry the 9 over the 57 as well but you have to admit the 57 round is pretty cool

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

It's nothing to toss in the trash for sure.😎👍

@buzsalmon

9 ай бұрын

​@ToolsandTargets you are a funny man!! For sure!!

@Modjammit

9 ай бұрын

All Rounds Matter 🔫

@timothywright2953

9 ай бұрын

No practice in an emergency 5.7 ,less recoil or blast .Average man or women how them times do they fire a gun . Ammunition cost more but does not matter since they never fire it .For a pistol that be kept in draw what would you recommend

@HWG-wm8ld

9 ай бұрын

How is it cool?

Gotta love the Underwood loaded Gold Dots!! They always flat out perform. I think the 5.7 is a good round but I’ll stick with my 9 in a short barrel for defense. Awesome test just the same. 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

Wow! I've gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised. I may have to buy a 5.7 after all. Thanks dude!

I’d carry either one. TBH the 5.7 with it’s less recoil would allow you a couple more follow up shots triple tap that sucker!!! 😎 I keep a Ruger LC 5.7 in the house for home defense, 20 rounds of that gold dot I got my home covered I believe.

5.7 to me is my favorite round. Thank you for doing these test.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Definitely wanna do some more tests with it.😎👍

I loved carrying my FN 5.7, even with 30 rounds it weighed nothing. But I switched to a FK in 7.5; now I have the bullet weight AND the velocity. Much better.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

Since watching your tests, I am very impressed with the Underwood ammo. Great job testing as usual !!!

I absolutely love 5.7x28 and my guns chambered in it are laser beams

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

@whatsup24_7

9 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets This round is extremely effective in terminal ballistics. It is very similar to .223 whereas it relies on speed to create damage. One hit in the t-box and lights out instantly. Very fast follow shots due to almost zero recoil and great capacity. It makes a great vehicle/backpack pistol.

@whatsup24_7

9 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets This would be a great choice to have if you were in the malls food court and a active shooter emerged. I would feel very confident putting accurate shots on target from a long distance.

That 5.7 didn’t do bad at all! I’m a 9mm guy myself, but I was very surprised at how well that 5.7 did.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

@mikejohnson9118

9 ай бұрын

That wound channel is telling. You would not be wrong choosing it. Especially since the recoil is so low. You could easily double or triple tap on it.

@jebstuart3

9 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!

@zacgaylor1518

8 ай бұрын

The rock 5.7 is 24 rounds :) light recoil and from the test the terminal ballistics look very close. I carry 9mm and 5.7 love them both… PSA also has good prices for 5.7 ammo

@geronimo5537

5 ай бұрын

As someone who has daily carried a FN 5.7 for over a decade. I want to add that +p+ is the best the 9mm can do, max powder. The speer gold dot 5.7 is actually underloaded for its cartridge's capability. You can pick up custom 5.7 rounds doing 2.7k fps and they hit pretty hard. Almost like seeing a .45 hit in similar gel tests. So dont discount the 5.7 round. It is being fairly tame thanks to fn underloading their blue tips as the first large commercial product. I actually prefer the FN ss195LF rounds as a good all around 5.7 product. They pen, punch, and tumble making them ideal at 2k fps. Many of these defense rounds are underloaded to penetrate at a certain distance in gel tests. Probably for legality reasons. But either way I love 9mm and 45. 10mm is great to.

Nobody is under-gunned with either of these rounds. Good comparison.

I would consider 5.7x28 if I was loaded up with some black dragon T6B or something else that makes 3A body armor look like paper. Without that added capability, you’re kinda just carrying a full size gun for less lethality per projectile. Although, you to get a lot of them in the mag and lower recoil. I’d say the main barrier for me is price.

Both did very good, the 57 seemed a little slower than normal, but it is a 40grn. The Underwood hands down is the clear winner here. I own both, but my Ruger 57 isn't for everyday carry unless OWB due to it's too dang long, but with the right ammo, it's a serious penetrator, and prices have started to come down. Very cool test comparing the two different tools and ammo!

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. Appreciate ya!😎👊

@DrQuagmire1

9 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets a guy I know at work had told me at how good the Ruger-57 is, as he used to own one

@ShastaBean

7 ай бұрын

You are right. It's slow. They slowed it down. I have a video demonstrating this and the difference in gel is very apparent, especially out of the pistol.

Big fan of 5.7X28MM in carbine style guns. Also the CANIK MC9 too. Two outstanding ammo rounds, good looking results by both. A1 performance there. Great test and commentary, really glad you did that side by side test. Good call. Nice, have a great week and be safe! ⭐️⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️⭐️

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊

Man, This is definitely one of my favorite channels! Thanks for everything you do!

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate you!😎👊

@timrobinson6573

9 ай бұрын

I second that

I’m carrying the 5.7. I have 24 rounds of very minimal recoil.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

It'll do the trick.😎👊

The problem with the 5.7 is it takes the barrel lenght to get the speed required for it to be affective. You have several duty sized pistols available for it, but no real conceal carry sized. I also carry a Canik MC9 as my edc, but own a couple of 5.7's also. I really like the 5.7 in my Ruger LC carbine, in that lenght of barrel I think the 5.7 shines, plus it's a fun gun to shoot!

@Jaybird-oo3ih

7 ай бұрын

Agree !!

Awesome test and i see why you have the underwood as carry rounds, The 5.7 did good also. Good job my friend, thank you .

No advantage to switching. Also, never commented but your jelly test titles are always a laugh. Definitely a trademark and a highlight to your videos. 😄👍👊😎🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

@JohnnyBravo02

9 ай бұрын

No advantage is an exaggeration. There’s give and take with every caliber. There’s definitely a few advantages

Thanks, tools! I really like it when you compare different calibers to each other makes for a good reference, I carry a 40 so I wouldn’t switch to either one of those calibers myself

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

Need to check out Super Vel 115+p SCHP they perform perfectly from short barrels. If i have to step down to 9mm its all i will use in short barrel

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I tested that a while back after someone sent some to me. Not bad stuff but not even close to this Underwood.

Both did very well. Impressive stuff

I had a 5.7 and I remember it being extremely loud. Also expensive ammo. I am sticking to my 9mm also. Thank you for all of your videos

I recently shot 5.7 for the first time and it's so quick shooting. It's like shooting a 22lr. That alone makes me consider it. Imagine shooting 10 of those gold dots at a target before you let off 3 of that +p+ 9mm

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I can dump 20 rounds out of this MC9 as fast as I can pull the trigger. There's no improving on that split time unless my finger gets faster. kzread.infoeH-ouGsi7g4

@rickytaylor5076

9 ай бұрын

​@ToolsandTargets WTH you just 20 round mag dumped a baby 9mm hitting the little circle inside the silhouette every time. I can't see a reason for you to think about carrying that 5.7 unless you just wanna try something different 😅

@PeterAngles-jq7gr

9 ай бұрын

​@@ToolsandTargetsGrandpa Jerry accepts your challenge

I've become a fan of the Fed 9mm Punch. The performance in gel look as good as that +p+ without the extra snap in recoil

👍👍definitely the 9 over the 5.7. Big difference in foot lbs. Thanks Tools.

I definitely agree the 5.7 out of and smg, sure, but not out of a pistol. I'll stick with my 9 mm also. Great video, as always, brother.

One of the best channels on KZread. I vote HST +P 9mm 124

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate that!😎👊

Good test. I would have go with the 9mm. Over the 5.7 . Thanks for sharing 👍

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

Agreed. Thank you sir. Great visual.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you, my friend!😎👊

Thanks Tools 😊 I like the Underwood as well. Be safe brother 🙏

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

Appreciate the video sir really love your content you should test some of the aac ammo

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate that. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aolkwZR7ppefiqg.html 😎👍

Never had an interest in the 5.7, carry a 9 daily with HST’s. The 5.7 makes more sense to me in a 10.5 inch SBR type rifle. Have a box of 147 Gold Dots plus p plus Underwood, but with the extra snap in a small 9 stick with standard pressure. Thanks for the test Tools!

I used to carry the 147 +p+ Gold Dot from UW but they stopped loading it so I carry 147 HST now.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I still have a few boxes of that 147 too. Such a shame they don't load Gold Dots anymore.

@TriggaTrey361

9 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargetsthey probably can’t get their hands on it anymore

@MR.Gunworks

9 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets is that because Remington when out of business

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

From what I've heard, they just can't get the bullets from Speer anymore.@@MR.Gunworks

That's a ton of penetration from the 9mm. I did not expect it to go 20 inches.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

It means business.😎👊

I think the whole point of 5.7 was to be, specifically for a sub machine guns, basically equivalent to 9mm ballistics but with soft armor penetration and more capacity. GREAT fit for a P90, but for a pistol or a rifle, they’re a compromise (as are all things I guess). The FN 57 pistol makes sense just because it pairs with your P90. Cool guns/round, but it gets a reputation it doesn’t deserve (and isn’t seeking) sometimes.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Totally agree 😎👊

@John_Redcorn_

9 ай бұрын

It actually still doesnt make sense considering the pistol cant take the same mags as the P90. The 5.7 makes sense in a sub machine gun for the listed reasons but not so much for a pistol.

@timrobinson6573

9 ай бұрын

Paul Harrell has said before that for civilians 5.7 would be good for a bank guard or armored car guard. Two jobs where its likely that a PLANNED robbery will occur with multiple criminals and they wear armor. These 5.7 pistols can carry 30 rounds per mag to handle many targets and do well against soft amor.

@HWG-wm8ld

9 ай бұрын

Who is Paul harrrell and don’t you have your own opinion?

@trevorlarson3984

2 ай бұрын

@@John_Redcorn_ Enter Keltec with their goofy p50 pistol

I watch as many of your videos as I can find. 9mm Gold Dot, HST, Underwood always perform. So I'll go with that. The original 5-7 pistol was the FN with a 20 rnd mag I believe. That may have been it's selling point.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate that and yeah, It's hard to go wrong with the proven winners.

I like your choice of carry-ammo , I too carry the same round but in a Glock-48 . Anyhow , I agree that the "9" is the better choice for S/D . More weight , greater diameter , and definitely more power . The nice thing about the "5.7" is the ammo capacity and it's plenty powerful if that's the gun you've got as an EDC . But , Bigger is Better and those Gold dots have a good record of performance . As always , great job , Love the video !

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

🤔 The 5.7 did better than I thought it would. 😄 A 5.7 vs 22mag would be an interesting test. 💥

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mnV-tMF9dMrJkbw.html 😎👊

@147CombatMedic

9 ай бұрын

I'll watch that right now! 👍

@travisweldmaster7815

9 ай бұрын

I'd roll 57 just because of it having an actual primer

@147CombatMedic

9 ай бұрын

Well, the 5.7 wins... 🤷‍♂️ It's centerfire vs rimfire, more giddy-up. Rock mags are faster and way more forgiving to load than pmr30 mags. That being said, there will always be a soft spot in my heart for 22mag. (That might be my wallet trying to influence my heart, tho... 😂)

@CtrlAltRetreat

9 ай бұрын

​@@147CombatMedic 25c a round is a lot more training than a buck a pop. 30 pills in a mag is also fun. I used to look down on rimfire for self defense but getting a sw mp22wmr has been changing my opinion. I currently still carry a snubby in 9 but having 6x the rounds with something i actually shoot surprisingly well has had me looking for holster options

Nice test! 👊👍

Love the 5.7 round

Another good ammo test

I'm with 9mil. All day. The 57 is not to shabby. Great video Tools 👍🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

I still miss that Underwood loaded stuff with the Gold Dot projectiles. You used to be able to get the Gold Dot projectiles cause I had a few boxes of the 124 grainers I got from Midway years ago, but I have not seen them available anywhere for some time. The thing that was nice about Underwood was they loaded them to some proper speeds, that's why they were such good performers. I sure would like to find more of them along with some HST projectiles other than pulled ones. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I know what you mean. I still have a handful of 9mm HST bullets but don't think I have any Gold Dots left.😣

Both performed well! 9 mm for me HST 124 +p. Underwood has those berry bullets now I think. Great test 👍🏻

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@timrobinson6573

9 ай бұрын

Yea, 51 cal expansion and 20 inches penetration is pretty good. Thats close to how a Critical Duty performs. The Gold Dots they used to load in 124 +p+ got crazy expansion and relatively shallow penetration.

Nice choice in carry ammo . I wonder if that’s a tougher lead alloy in the underwood gold dots? I’d have expected slightly bigger expansion. Awesome penetration 👍

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I can't remember if I've tested these in bare gel, but I imagine the cloth keeps expansion down a bit.

@timrobinson6573

9 ай бұрын

I dont know if they're gold dots. The box just says bonded. I think they are Berrys bullets.

I'm with you on the 9mm 124g good test 👌 👍 thanks

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

💥😎👊💥

Good job from both good video Tools supreme test enjoy the videos.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. Have a great week!😎👊

Good job Tools GOD BLESS

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

The 57 done better than I figured it would but the 9 mm done great good video Tools Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

I've carried the Underwood 124 +p+ with a Unicore bullet for around 6 or 7 years. I get 1310 to 1320 pretty consistently from a G19 gen 3. I also have the Underwood 124 gr +p+ with what I think is Nosler JHP. It runs the same velocity but has the typical cup and core expansion. Not bad just not the Unicore / Gold Dot. Other than that its Federal 124 +p HST or Hornady Critical Duty 135gr +p+. I also do something lots don't but have never had an issue in all my years with the weapons used. Stagger my loading. Every third a Hornady 135gr +p Critical Duty as of recent. Same point of impact at 25 yards from my sidearm. This isn't everyday. Certain places I go, things I personally do. The Critical Duty doesn't expanded to wide measurement but it does penetrate very well and has a great trait of traveling straight after impact. Glass, metal, reasonably dense bone. So as a tool it has it's place in my toolbox. Without extensive testing I don't recommend staggering.

Great review brotha! Have you ever tested or tried out Underwoods 9mm 147gr +p or +p+ JHP's?

A good test. The 9mm did a great job.

The 5.7 is a great fast round but when you watch the force that 9mm Underwood Gold Dot hits the gel with there's no doubt which to choose for protection. That 5.7mm Gold Dot will be great on coyotes etc. Good comparison!!👍

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@billdye3530

9 ай бұрын

​@@ToolsandTargetsI wonder if the government isnt involved in Underwood not using Gold Dot projectiles. Maybe going to other sources?😱🥴

Really enjoyed this video. The Rock 5.7 is really fun to shoot, but too big for me to carry, regardless of the power considerations vs. 9mm. My carry rounds are the Federal 9mm+P 124 gr HST's.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

I own the PSA 5.7. For me its just to big to conceal carry. Its fun to tote around the property and you only need one mag with the carry capacity. If you practice with it, you can put alot of bullets down range and on target quickly.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Great gun for sure.😎👊

The 5.7 did surprisingly well, but the two rounds are in different leagues as far as size and mass go. And size and mass count if they're used defensively against something with bones.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely.😎👍

@foxhound9285

6 ай бұрын

It will get the job done. The PSA Rock 5.7 can hold 23rds and 30rds with an extension.

I agree and 9 is cheaper which equals more practice

Both good looking guns.

I have fired a lot of different 5.7 ammo the spear gold dot to my thought is the best round out there. It is all I have loaded in my S&W.

You said the Underwood 9 is no longer available what brand carries that projectile in 124 +p+? I just switched to carrying a PSA Dagger compact and I would like to get some of those. Great video as always thanks brother!

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

The problem is, nobody can get Gold Dot bullets to load anymore. I assume Speer is holding onto them. Their item 113 is another 124 +P+ but it uses a Nosler bullet. I actually tested them beside these not real long ago. They expand great and have near the same velocity/energy, but not quite as much penetration. Some people will probably like that better. Here's that vid kzread.info/dash/bejne/e2uE1rSBls2rkrw.html

He’s getting comfortable. Now he is using roach clips for a pointer

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

The carry benefit of the 57 would be the increased capacity. But for the size of the tool, I could carry a fullsize Canik 9mm with similar capacity. And solid 9mm defensive ammo would cost the same as 57 FMJ. In the gel, though, the 57 rocked it pretty well for what it is. I would not like to be hit by it. I think it might fit in someones collection better if they had the 57 rifle, as well, to share the ammo across platforms.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's definitely not a pocket carry.😆

🇦🇺😎👍Mann I love💕 these gun videos, I can’t get enough😉👍….great velocities…they’d both get the job done🏁…..great results , stick with the 9🏁

I am seeing a More dramatic wound channel from the 5.7. I love the 5.7 because it is more controllable with follow-up shots, however, is less concealable than your average compact 9 mm. The 5.7 is the most efficient round on the market gram per gram which means more fire power in one magazine.

@ToolsandTargets

4 ай бұрын

It was destroyed in virtually every way by this 9mm round.

Let’s see what we got here 🧐

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

I had a .22 TCM, I'd carry that before the 5.7. My EDC at the moment is Speer 115 gr. standard pressure. Great round.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

Late af but when testing penetration you have to remember 5.7 is designed to spin out once it hits a soft Target to maximize damage. Gel testing is not showing the real penatrive advantage of the round. Maybe ice or entry type of body amor 🔥🔥

R&R Weapon systems makes a phenomenal Hollow point for 5.7 and going correct velocity for the caliber. On average break 2000 fps and other companies pushing the hollow point to 2200-2400 and it absolutely smacks. These gold dots are like 40 s/w in a 10mm package in my eyes.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Agreed. All of the off-the-shelf common 5.7 ammo sucks when compared to real deal stuff.

Good video! For the price, 9mm for the win.

The 124 grain gold dot loaded gold dots in +p are what I carry along with HST and maybe 115 grain XTP's loaded by AAC.. Sig V crowns work great especially the 115's but they have setback issues and get setback the first time you chamber them pretty much

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I noticed that when I ran V Crowns too.

Good test! Gold Dot does the trick!

You can make all the comparisons you want. What makes all the difference is are you mentally prepared to shoot the bad guy? Will you have good shot placement? When under stress, I’ve seen the best range marksmen miss man sized silhouettes 7 yards in front of them. Prime example…in NYC, 5 police officers shot over 60 rounds and only hit the gun wielding perp with 3 rounds. When your heart races, vision narrows, breathing increases, palms get sweaty, and mouth goes dry…it’s a whole different ballgame

Buffman range on yt is the king of 5.7 testing (no offense you're like my favorite ammo tester overall 😜) the speer gold dot 5.7 is anemic compared to even the factory fn green tip ammo. Solid copper jhp they perform a lot better than the gold dots, idk what speer did to that cartridge in 5.7 because they are good in any other caliber usually. I feel like expansion isn't the goal of 5.7, but it's designed to perform more like a rifle round with tumbling and fragmenting. Elite ammunition and the black dragon fang 5.7 loads are some of the best... But dang are they expensive and hard to get. Good test as always thanks for bringing this comparison!

@5900trek

8 ай бұрын

Well said. The Underwood cartridge is a formidable EDC round. Not so with the Speer Gold Dot. I'm guessing that most of us who sometimes carry the 5.7 don't carry the Speer Gold Dot.

Ima seriously consider the Rock 5.7 compact, 4.4 inch, 20 rounds when it comes out.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

😎👊

If the Underwood Gold Dots are discontinued, I would save them for carry-only use. Indeed, I rarely shoot my 124gr and 147gr HSTs, maybe 10 rounds a year. I found that Federal American Eagles are close enough to the HST at defensive ranges for training.

Now That Is Some Sho-Nuff 9mm, Thanks Brian. 👍🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Yessir.😎👊

@josephpacchetti5997

9 ай бұрын

Enjoyed It. 🇺🇸@@ToolsandTargets

I carry the Underwood +p 124 when I carry 9mm. Most of the time, I carry my G22 with Underwood 135 gr JHP (1400 fps, 588 ft lbs)

Absolutely love my PSA dagger extreme carry and the lowers I've built out from them, too. Can't hate an American company that sacrifices their own profit margins to arm lower-income households and supports the 2nd Amendment. May have to get myself a PSA rock as my intro to 5.7x28.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

This Rock is a great gun.😎👊

@armedpreacher

9 ай бұрын

PSA is also pumping out some great priced 5.7 ammo

The 5.7, as you said, really was meant to be an SMG round. It shines with a slightly longer barrel, volume automatic fire, and penetrator rounds that aren't legal in the US for civilians.

That Speer gold dot is too tough! I think it would be great from the PS 90 or an AR platform with more velocity.

That's the exact same 9mm ammo that I use. It's a dang shame underwood stopped loading the gold dot. I treat what I have left like pure gold! I just can't get on board with the Nosler loadings

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I know what you mean. I was just looking at the video where I tested these beside the 124 +P+ Nosler. If they got the penetration of these, they would be nearly just as good. I'll probably retest them soon and maybe beside the 9BPLE Hi Shoks again to see which one comes out on top there.

I get the same results with my 9mm Gold Dot 124+P.

You should use lehigh defense 105 grain 9mm maximum expansion vs 57 grain 5.7x28mm.

The five seven for a snipers secondary and shot it looks like at 100 yards. And physical weight with three full mags isn’t bad on weight.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

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I have a PS-90 I don’t own any 57 pistols. But I’d only run the fn green tip because of its velocity. In my opinion, the 57 round was designed and only causes damage when it consistently tumbles. To tumble you need that 2000fps or 2200 and up. Firing a hollow point in 57 thats going 1500 fps is no different than a .22 magnum.

@30rdMAGA-vl9ul

9 ай бұрын

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@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Yep

After all the videos I've watched of yours i still havent bought any gold dots or hst's...i do have underwood in several configurations and barnes , vcrown , punch & fmjs...one of these days I'll be there ! Lol

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I just like these cause they're fast.😆

Underwood has a really light weight 9mm (62-68gr +p i cant remember). Has the screw driver head and is all cooper. Very very fast, about the same cost per round as 5.7 and about rhe same speed. Would be a good test to see compared to 5.7

What are your thoughts on the G9 external hollow points? I see they have it in 10mm as well. I’ve even saw multiple people say they like it better than underwood extreme defenders/penetrators

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Probably do a fine job like the other fluted rounds. Don't have to worry about cloth.

Now i want Underwood to load 5.7 . Elite and others has show that a projectile of 40 gr loaded properly in the 5.7 should be around 2000 fps out of a handgun.

I wish 5.7 ammo would come down in price. As you get older quick followups would be much easier with it considering next to no recoil, particularly in the S&W M&P with its rotating barrel.

Great test, I agree I’d rather have 9mm in smaller gun better performance and 9mm is easier to carry.

I will stay with my 9, Just a heads up brother, people are going crazy buying ammo again because of the lake city news LOL Thanks for sharing

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

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@andrewgates8158

9 ай бұрын

What new news?

@Bob-lq9ys

9 ай бұрын

@@andrewgates8158 Lake city quit selling 5.56 to the consumer market, I don't know if its just a temporary deal or from now on

@kimness7796

9 ай бұрын

Lake City (556) producing only for the military. Due to Isreal. @@andrewgates8158

I have 16 rounds left of the same underwood but 147. They’re gold

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. I think I have about 12 boxes of these 124's. Hate that they don't load em anymore.

Could u try out some black tip sabres 308 and 150g 300aac?

I wish in the 5.7x28 they carried underwood solid copper non expanding with the funky tip you use on the 9mm. That would be interesting seen thier wound channels and penitration. Not saying energy isn't important.

The Gold Dot 5.7, the 380 xtreme defender out of the lcp max and the 380 liberty civil defense out of the lcp max all have approximately the same muzzle energy. Wonder which is the most effective stopper, that is, most effectively change behavior? I'm guessing the liberty.

@ToolsandTargets

9 ай бұрын

I'd personally go 5.7 given those choices.