It must have been maddeningly irritating for Dawkins to listen to all this bullshit.

@peterbartley9155

4 жыл бұрын

EmisoraRadioPatio he does it all the time.

@user-H0000

4 жыл бұрын

exactly

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

"The opium of the people now is that they will not be judged by God when they die." Czesław Miłosz

@wolfthequarrelsome504

4 жыл бұрын

@@wordwarrior2350 that's not the rational.

@user-H0000

4 жыл бұрын

@@wordwarrior2350 its not rational because your spelling is wrong.

What makes Dawkins such a devastating debate opponent is that he is intelligent, calm and maddeningly descent.

@ItsSVO

2 жыл бұрын

And he’s armed with facts.

@michaelmcfeely6588

Жыл бұрын

decent

@YortOK

Жыл бұрын

But sometimes he's seems underpowered when dealing with religious zealots. Dawkins is a matter of fact scientist whereas Hitchens would've philosophically eaten Pell for breakfast.

@pauljcross2289

4 ай бұрын

and usually correct

Good to see that Pell believes in redemptive suffering. He'll have plenty more time to reflect on it.

@reviewreviewer1

5 жыл бұрын

Or not seeing as how his appeal will likely be upheld after the prosecution failed to provide any real justification or arguments for the verdict.

@bloggaloggs

4 жыл бұрын

@@reviewreviewer1 Well that was a dumb thing to say now, wasn't it?

@reviewreviewer1

4 жыл бұрын

Not really, he is appealing to the high court now, the Judge who dissented in his favour is one of the most experienced and respected in all of Australia, the two judges who upheld the verdict basically said we believe survivors, an accuser=guilt. They studied too much at Kafka. The facts haven`t changed.

@bloggaloggs

4 жыл бұрын

@@reviewreviewer1 So the sole dissenter who was of the opinion you prefer can be described as "one of the most experienced and respected (judges) in all of Australia" while those in majority opinion are dismissed as having "studied at Kafka". Looking forward to your next cognitively idiotic comment...

@reviewreviewer1

4 жыл бұрын

Sole dissenter out of a total of 3 judges in total, but more importantly, a dissenter whose judgement is highly valued, and will likely be considered by the High court. But in the end this of secondary importance, since it is not about opinion. Pell has the facts on his side. Arguing that a single accuser constitutes proof beyond a reasonable doubt violates any presumption of innocence and makes it easy for the government to persecute its enemies. It is especially dangerous when the police had been looking for people to accuse Pell even before any complaints had been filed. Government officials looked for accusers against a man they didn`t like. They found an accuser and he was convicted based on that. In a secret trial with a gag order. I suggest you read about the Stalinist show-trials. Or the trial against Stepinic. It took around 70 years before Stepinac was legally exonerated. So how is it cognitively idiotic to argue that a single accuser does not constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt? Also look up Mark Weinberg`s record. Read his dissent. If you had lived half a century ago you would have liked defended the trial against Mindszenty.

Pell - "We are free we can control our instinct" looking forward to the court case!

@janetamplin7318

3 жыл бұрын

You have won

@robertpoverello7288

3 жыл бұрын

did you enjoy the court case - he was proven innocent???????

@zebraimage

Жыл бұрын

@@robertpoverello7288 No he wasn't. The court couldn't prove him guilty. There's a big difference.

@jello-tarzan

4 ай бұрын

​@@robertpoverello7288 Pell was found guilty in 2018 and spend 1 year in prison.

It warms my heart to see the realisation on pells face that the catholic church doesnt wield as much power/fear anymire

Whenever Pell answers a question he just rambles, he always strays from the question and pettifogs his way around.

@unggrabb

3 жыл бұрын

Useless twat

@anon8068

3 жыл бұрын

He’d be a good politician

Pell does not seem to be the brightest. His prison sentence will provide some time to study Charles Darwin, David Hume, Bertrand Russell and the Enlightenment.

@chaosbynature

5 жыл бұрын

six years in jail is plenty of time to learn about evolution.

@iainrae6159

5 жыл бұрын

@GMBCATASTROPHE 6 years for the man to serve and we still wait for some remorse.

@iainrae6159

5 жыл бұрын

@GMBCATASTROPHE I forgive you for your ignorance of evolution by natural selection . 10 hail Mary's from you each day for 6 years.

@hassangz

5 жыл бұрын

Iain Rae He believes in a man or woman in the sky talking to him, what do you expect?

@iainrae6159

5 жыл бұрын

@GMBCATASTROPHE I forgive you the sin of abusive language but not the sin of being a creationist. Make that 20 daily hail Mary's.

Pell coming up with cop out answers as usual.

@pauljcross2289

4 ай бұрын

Almost no answers

Wow,, that cardinal is such a charlatan.

@peterbartley9155

4 жыл бұрын

RubberCoxshRacing all religions are

@existentialbaby

3 жыл бұрын

So are all cardinals

Pell reduced to meaningless babble, he doesn't at this point appear to know what on earth he's talking about. Classic.

@pauljcross2289

4 ай бұрын

I agree

9:41 "My life would be much simpler and much easier if I didn't have to go to bed for a number of Christian principles." - George Pell Boy, that quote didn't age well. Neither did all those choir boys.

@YortOK

Жыл бұрын

He didn't say "bed" he said "bat".

@TB-wvvvw

10 ай бұрын

He was not honest here, either; his life wouldn't necessarily be easier, because he'd have to get a proper job and work like most people instead of living a luxurious life benefiting from the gullibility of others.

religion remains the most blatant example of ancient beliefs that continues to hold back the entire human race from progressing forward to a higher state of consciousness......

@gas_grass_orass4712

3 жыл бұрын

How were you able to measure consciousness to arrive at that conclusion?

@Omgr4Gaming

Жыл бұрын

@@gas_grass_orass4712 Science is the pursuit of knowledge - it's fundamental purpose is that it holds no bias. Religion on the other hand is a BELIEF system that fills in the blanks with a complex divine creation of which humans are 'not supposed' to understand which especially in the past 100 years raises questions about religious validity as humanity has advanced so astronomically through science. I can go into this more if you still don't understand

@jatticusfinch9015

Жыл бұрын

@@gas_grass_orass4712 maybe we’re not able to measure consciousness, not at least whatever we mean when we say humans are sentient. But being aware of the facts - having our consciousness raised - in a strictly metadata sense then, sure, religious belief, ‘wish-thinking’, has played a role is obscuring our consciousness.

Hmm, I wonder why this kid is suffering while he's choking on my member?

@TheSeanpatrickobrien

4 жыл бұрын

Woe woe woe woe woe

@versioncity1

4 жыл бұрын

He didn't have to think such things, everything is the will of God, who is he decide wether a child is suffering while being buggered by an old man? Surely the child has freewill, or maybe God has provided such a good looking boy for his satisfaction, or maybe it is a test, or maybe the child is being tested or punished by God, maybe it is way of showing love to the boy through God, maybe, maybe, ahhhhh there we go, blown my load, maybe I don't have to consider such things. Now wipe up, stop crying and fuck off....

@unknownchannel3141

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

Q: Why does God allow so much suffering? A: Because he doesn't exist.

@tonymoruzzi

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@tercio4596

4 жыл бұрын

In you maind.

@ed1726

4 жыл бұрын

@Floofy shibe He didn't prove that no.

@antonralph6947

4 жыл бұрын

Dawkins the dunce

@larjkok1184

4 жыл бұрын

*Floofy shibe* Wrong. Tell us what the Kalam concludes. It makes no mention of a god, or a prime mover.

Cardinal Pell waffled on this question - over and over. There's no good Christian answer for the suffering of innocents in the world. Saying that Jesus suffered too doesn't answer the question. The answer is God is either a sadist or God is impotent, or God doesn't exist.

@benjogumba4002

6 жыл бұрын

Like the illustration of father and son relationship,You will never kept him in a safety room forever like a prison, but you will set him free in order to give that love. God has an unconditional love to us, in order to give that love, he gives us a free will, and there is a free will there is a suffering. We live in the world that are so complex and there is so much evil in this world. Its starts when we disobey God.

@BarbaraManor

6 жыл бұрын

Benjo - please tell, witch god? Who's religion? What book? And so on... It is what you have been told by your parents, your surroundings, your culture. All of them reflect the traditions, the fears, the lack of knowledge of the area they come from. What all Religions do, is pray on the fears and hopes and insecurities and guilds and different character triads of human beings. Human nature is human nature - except that bad people will do bad things and good people will do good things - but for good people to do bad things - you need religion!

If “the scale of justice” doesn’t exist then it’s up to us. We should make things right.

I don't think Pell actually formed a full sentence during this clip...

I cant unsee how he is staring at the monitor in front of him after the poll said that 76 % of people dont think that religion makes the world a better place. It is the face of defeat.

@Ma1q444

4 ай бұрын

Catholics have better things to do then be critically online

If there was no suffering religion wouldn't exist. It was invented by humans, due to the fact that we are afraid of anything we cannot control and religion steps in as a comfort blanket.

It just seems that hell is a type of psychological satisfaction for revenge.

@lilchaos4792

3 жыл бұрын

Yup

The irony of that first statement by Pell is palpable.

Rotten to the core. Good people do not need a cover to be good. Rotten souls do need a glittering cover to claim that they are good.

The God botherer is just waffling and babbling out of his depth.

@SCHEY101

4 жыл бұрын

Always on the moral high ground with nothing to back it up.

The Cardinal lost all credibility when he tried to tell us Hitler wasn't a Catholic. He needs to at least be honest.

@eetuaalto7214

9 жыл бұрын

Ozzy Man The cardinal lost his credibility when he was trying to bribe abuse victims!

@crismcoy8548

6 жыл бұрын

Hitler wasn't a Catholic he denied the virgin birth. Denied that Jesus was born of a virgin. Hitler did not believe in the Catholic Church.

@blakewright4786

5 жыл бұрын

@@crismcoy8548 well he was a thiest

@FMB_Bmg

5 жыл бұрын

@MELA anti-church, definitely not anti-christian.

@gilbertcandco

5 жыл бұрын

@@crismcoy8548 I believe, need to check, that the Catholic church used to celebrate Hitler's birthday. Fuckin disgrace.

What if you don't want freewill...we have no choice...that's from the Hitch

"I believe on behalf of the innocent victims that the scales of justice should work"...............Lets hope he's correct and if he is guilty of the crimes for which he is now charged that he is punished!

Tont Abbots spiritual adviser good judge of character Tone.

Hahaha Pell got a question about gay equality!! Being gay himself!!!

I like how he said the catholic church has done much to help with HIV and its suffering... I'm old enough to remember when HIV kicked off in Africa and the un advised everyone to use protection. The catholic church told its followers not to use condoms and hiv exploded killing millions ... something else that was swept under the rug.

Mick Walsh was my cousin. He's passed away since this episode.

That's why I love being debates in Australia. There was a girl in the audience who said, 'What? when the Cardinal was blubbering about 'HIV when the topic was about homosexual marriage.

I wouldn't even buy a car from Pell - he's obviously dodgy. Pell rhymes with HELL....

This has been one of the most unprofessionally hosted debates I've ever seen.

Will do, thanks!

If human beings came from a collections of cells.please explain how is that cancer cell do not come togethe to to cure the person . If the cancer cells can not come together to cure the person. How the they form a human being that is well organised .with every part has its own role to play in the human body

Thanks, good comment.

Pell said we need the laws of justice ...Hope he remembers that when the laws reach him

Both men make money from religion and we enjoy the arguments. Benifits for all.

Did He say that Santa doesn’t exist? My life has just complicated :(

Schepisi's The Devil's Playground from 1976 is an excellent film which fits really well into this debate.

he'll probably be asking this very question as he is being assessed in prison

@suckmybat

5 жыл бұрын

And if karma has anything to do with it, assraped in prison

Would Richard pay him a visit in jail?

@daraa151

4 жыл бұрын

Albert Stegeman Hahahahaha..... he should hey🤣

what is he referring to when he says no-one has suffered more than the Germans?

@tommym321

8 ай бұрын

God only knows. What a moron. Maybe he was talking about the situation in Germany after the treaty of Versailles, which was (justifiably) punitive towards the German state. But only a moron would say, in the context of a discussion about WW2, that the Germans suffered the most. What an idiot.

Homosexuality is of course natural, because it is frequently observed in nature, nearly all mammal species have homosexual individuals. Clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about, you should consider reading scientific papers on this subject. You just state what you think, but this is irrelevant as there is evidence for the contrary. It also makes sense if you look at it from an evolutionary perspective, which you would know if you would study these things before talking about it.

christ died/resurected on the cross 2000 years ago ..or so......and since we have no proof of this.....how do we know he suffered?

One thing I hate about Q&A is the ever present "we are running out of time"

'Perhaps he thinks he knows better than his own magic sky god.' you sound like Gore Vidal in his thesis on sky gods, ;-)

Good point.

Dawkins answers with logic and Pell answers with mumbo jumbo. Sad

Pervo Pell,really struggling to answer questions. Richard Dawkins, brilliant as ever.

Ah George, if you are the figurehead of religion we are all doomed. I bet you're praying for compassion now

Jjjj is not work of athean find the thrust, is work of scientifics. The fanatics cannot find his own heat.

2:05 I think a life full of suffering is much more interesting and valuable. We'd have no concept of joy without times of angst and despair. We'd have no reason for introspection. How can you have empathy for your fellow man if you've never felt pain or need?

Now audience will realise what george pell is

I don't pretend to enter into Australian jurisprudence, but I'd lock Pell up for abuse of logic - and speaking..."and, errr, and, errrr"

That's a good question So I won't answer it

God is a de-lusion not a il-lusion.

Pell was always and is a complete and utter nutter.

My hero is the girl he said "WHAT?" at 7:15 😄

a vegas buffet, shall keep it in mind.

um.... yes it does

George Pell: "We can control our instincts"??

@reviewreviewer1

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, check his appeal.

"Dear George, what's the Bible about?" Oh dear, George is out of his depth again ...

I suppose i'm suggesting mainstream media doesn't merit overly serious consideration these days considering all their lies?

thanks, by the way.

"ThAtS a GoOd QuEsTiOn"

yes

Get rekt Pell!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dawkins' patience is evidence for the existence of God. How he stayed calm and didn't explode in rage clearly shows divine intervention. I could not have kept myself in check as Pell smirked and cajoled.

I removed my last comment because it seemed respectless for the late Christopher Hitchens. But I would love too see Cardinal Fulton sheen debate Christohper Hitchens :)

We can control our instincts !!! Well ... I can.

Great session.. Congrats frim India.. And Dawkin wins.. 👏🏻

Natural selection and evolution cannot exist in a Darwinian ideology / worldview without the hypothetical Abiogenesis process. A person does Not need to have a Phd (or even an undergraduate degree) to question the validity of the Abiogenesis Hypothesis, or any hypothesis. As long as people have an understanding of basic scientific principles, common sense, and open mindedness to seek the truth, they can come to a more accurate conclusion for themselves. Basic Science 101: Wikipedia 2021, *_“A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the SCIENTIFIC METHOD requires that one can TEST IT … Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is NOT the same as a scientific theory.”_* Hypothesis is also referred to as a Hypothetical or Educated GUESS. Wikipedia 2021, *_"In evolutionary biology, abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life (OoL),is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds. While the details of this process ARE STILL UNKNOWN, the prevailing scientific HYPOTHESIS is that the transition from non-living to living entities was not a single event [i.e. spontaneous generation]... There are several principles and HYPOTHESES for how abiogenesis COULD HAVE occurred."_* One of the reasons that abiogensis is merely a "hypothesis" and has not advanced to the status of being a "scientific theory", is that abiogenesis hypotheses still lack the experimental data required by the scientific method. Abiogenesis Hypothesis has passed the scientific method process zero (0) times.

First he made a statement about Hitler being in hell and then 20 seconds later said he hopes no one is in hell and he believes in a place of redemption. So does that mean Hitler can be redeemed he totally contradicted himself and no one calls him on it

I believe in rebirth and Karma thats my hell.

@abracadeborah7855

5 жыл бұрын

Greg, then your belief is your ticket out of this hell. Any place that has suffering as the norm in all kingdoms, Animal, vegetable, must by definition of suffering be hell. We suffer for our whole lives, work sleep, eat, repeat with occasional snippets of joy to keep us motivated to keep going. I can’t wait to leave this prison planet.

@ramaraksha01

5 жыл бұрын

@@abracadeborah7855 And what do you think will happen after you die? Some magic sugar Daddy is waiting to keep you in nice comfort? Babies, Children die here on earth, some of them horribly, raped & Killed, go hungry, accidents, evil people and God doesn't do anything to help them but as soon as YOU die, you get to live the easy good life? But Hinduism does say that you can have the easy good life - as a Tree or a pet - dog or cat. The tree sits around doing nothing all day - so does a pet - zero worries or responsibilities - enjoy!

@ramaraksha01

5 жыл бұрын

Have you ever wondered that life is an opportunity? You have been given this Gift of life - think of what good you can do to make life better for all Einstein, Gandhiji, Michalangelo and so many unknowns the police, soldiers, doctors, firefighters - all instead of running away from a dangerous place, run towards it Life is bad but running away is not the answer It is one answer though - but so many are fools to think there is a nice Sugar Daddy waiting to keep them in nice comfort in Heaven

Religion started when the first conman met the first fool.... Mark Twain.

How does Dawkins think something can be made from nothing

What the hell are you talking about?

10:16 the answer is not really "no". Because there hasn't been a world without religion to compared to. A world where religions and gods were never conceived.

What a bumbling CARTOON Pell is!

@tommym321

8 ай бұрын

Indeed. He gives the awful impression of a man who has NEVER had his beliefs questioned in any way.

If George is wrong about afterlife he'll never know .. if right then maybe he's not in heaven but the other place

How can a compassionate god 'punish unto the fourth and fifth generations, for the sins of the father?'

Does believing in God make the world a better place? Most say no... But nobody has ever lived in a world where there is no belief in God.. The belief in a spiritual being is very common in our world across a wide range of religions and still provides direction to millions about doing what is good and fair. Take out the belief in a superior spiritual being and what happens?

A lot of the sentiment regarding suffering comes from unbelief in God's promise to end all suffering. If the spiritual eye can see the promise it makes a big difference. Since God is just, he provides free choice to us. The earth is a temporary place where we can learn to choose or not choose eternal life. If no place were provided where there is space for repentance that would be merciless. People disbelieve only because of unbelief, not because if evil in the world. David Burchfield

how can people believe a imaginary none existant form is responsible for the universe

George Pell is the Jimmy Saville of the Catholic church

@colmmacionraic3838

5 жыл бұрын

I very much doubt that.The case against him is very flawed.

@ableone8956

4 жыл бұрын

No No the Jeffrey Epstein of the Catholic Church.

Apparently, in Hitler's words he did not get close to the Christianity as it was introduced to Europe from another part of the world (the middle east) and not part of his heritage. It appears he was closer to pagan beliefs.

@ricklocket2812

Жыл бұрын

"Christianity was introduced".. that sounds nice.. And I thought christianity spread to europe just like it spread to all other parts of the globe: by genocides (massacre of verden), wars, disgusting brainwashing etc etc.. Please dont stop fooling yourself: There is no antisemitism in paganism, compare that to the jew pigs on catholic german cathedrals or Martin Luthers writings about jews. 95% of all germans were christians between 1933-45. And you think somehow some pagans lured those good nice christians into doing what christians did althrough history? Get your damn head checked sshole

2:14 Free Will

"Priest in Catholicism don not just blindly follow the bible, they use their heads" - They use our current understanding of morals to pick the good bits out... which means the bible is of little use as an authority regarding what is right and wrong...

@redblade43

5 жыл бұрын

Mark... In other words they cherry pick from the Bible and leave the bad bits out in the hope this will clear their conscience and carry on being hypocrites...

A pity Neal Donald Walsh wasn't on the panel. He reckons he spoke directly to his God.

Pels deserves to rot in jail. What a disgusting human - spent a life lying to others, and making a living out of it.

please see reply to 'simondrift'. thanks.

Cdl George Pell is now resting with his Maker whilst RDawkin is roaming somewhere in space, still figuring out the ‘narrow path’ that leads God’s chosen home.

@jordanmason7127

7 ай бұрын

didn't realize god was in hell? pell is a pedophile protector and a child abuser.

Poor Richard

I think Pell is quite adorable as a person, despite his illogical arguments. I am an atheist however I cannot hate believers, as it is their opinion, and they are entitled to live a blind and blissfully ignorant life.

Allen Jones in reply...on your comment below, re: the suffering of the innocents. How do YOU contribute to stop the suffering, that you mention. What do you do as a concerned and worried person, whom this existence of suffering bothers? How do you live your everyday life, so that your lifestyle, diminishes suffering. Because you and l are to blame for the suffering of the "innocents"...we don't live 'holy ' lives, that when people see your face and my face, the beauty of Christ doesn't shine out on to others, to convert them. Our beauty doesn't 'convert ' them, because we are ugly inside... sinful.

"Religion shouldn't be taken literally - it's just guidance. This is what creates conflict." Probably the BEST bit of advice we can get from this video.

@absoutezeo2126

Жыл бұрын

Some guidance it is then. Why take seriously at all a book that condones slavery, endorses genocide and killing children, treats a woman as 2/3 the value of a man, and so on? Guidance is the genuine effort of a wise individual to support and teach another, it is not blind, uncivil tradition sloppily passed along from barely literate cultists in the desert. If you want guidance, start asking questions, don't look for easy answers from people who want to spread their "truth." This goes for fundamentalists and moderates, for the more moderate you become, the less you're relying on religion yet the more you're attributing to it.

Why hasn't god destroyed the devil if god is all powerful?

Perhaps someone should ask why there is so much criminality and filth amongs Catholic clergy!!!!!!!!

what makes pell thinks he will get a chance to ask god anything