#42 Citation Mustang Flight with Former TBM 900 Owner

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This week we flew with Chuck who brought his Citation Mustang in for some service with us at OCR AVIATION all the way from Seattle. He recently transitioned from flying several different TBM models for many years into his Citation Mustang. Chuck asked me to fly some departure and arrival procedures with him in our busy LA Airspace before heading back to Seattle. So we decided to fly up to Santa Maria and back to Long Beach, however the procedures where cut short due to some shortcuts given to us. Training and proficiency is the key to operate any aircraft, but that's especially true for single-pilot jets where everything happens quite fast and it's really important to be two steps ahead of the airplane at all times.
#CitationMustangTraining #Citation #JetTraining
0:00 Intro
0:45 Take-Off
5:41 Chucks Flying History - TBM vs Mustang
10:55 Approaching Santa Maria
12:20 Landing Santa Maria
12:58 Summary Flight 1
13:48 Take Off Santa Maria
14:33 Thinking Ahead
17:20 Approaching Long Beach
18:40 Joining Localizer
21:25 Landing Long Beach
22:21 Wrap Up
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  • @Parr4theCourse
    @Parr4theCourse2 жыл бұрын

    Loved this one, had everything in it, transition from SETP to Jet discussion on pro/cons of both . . .

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks - we see a lot of TBM to M2s not as many to Mustangs. Chuck obviously really likes the TBMs.

  • @jonclassical2024
    @jonclassical20242 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting content on this one....Chuck is brave to put himself out there in aviation video world, but seems to have a good ability in every increasing performance aircraft....it was funny you telling him about expected higher speeds by a jet in the approach mix...only to be told by ATC to slow down on the next landing pattern. Thanks again for taking us along for the ride.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Speed up so you can slow down! Thanks for watching.

  • @Dave5500
    @Dave55002 ай бұрын

    Chuck did a fantastic job! Very competent pilot!!

  • @bryanmaxwell7332
    @bryanmaxwell7332 Жыл бұрын

    Imagine getting the blessing of being trained by Rich….( with the way things are today )…👍🇺🇸

  • @jerplane400
    @jerplane4002 жыл бұрын

    Nice discussion on the transition from the TBM to the Mustang. Thanks for this video!

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for watching!

  • @wayne9638
    @wayne963811 ай бұрын

    pair of legends, chuck did great

  • @TIO540S1
    @TIO540S12 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video as usual Rich. Very interesting to hear his thoughts on the 310 to multiple TBMs to the Mustang. I wonder if he envisions the Mustang as the “final” airplane. I have to say that you deserve the level of subscribers of the more “famous” aviation KZreadrs. No slight against them but your videos are unique, interesting, and well-edited (so kudos to Kie as well). Also, your comment about hitting Nav vs. Approach struck a nerve and elicited a confession: Years ago I was cleared to intercept the localizer for 16R at KVNY and mistook it as cleared for the approach and started a descent. The approach controller immediately told me to climb to 4,000 and then… 🥵…”Possible pilot deviation, I have a phone number for you to call after landing, advise ready to copy.”

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Rob - I’ve never had to call ATC. What was that like?

  • @TIO540S1

    @TIO540S1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FlyingwithRich I called when I landed but they only confirmed my name, certificate, and the tail number. They said a FSDO rep would be in touch and, two weeks or so later, he was. We talked for about half an hour and went over what clearances mean and the importance of, basically, not doing what I had done. We went over it no less than four times, but he was courteous and friendly. At the end, he said thanks for my cooperation, fly safe, and that was it. I had another “possible pilot deviation, I have a number…” I had no clue what the problem was. When I called, the guy said “who is this?” so I told him. He said “let me check.” Five minutes later he came back and said “our sector controller thought you had violated the KONT Class Charlie but we checked and you were fine, the guy was just a little overly enthusiastic. No problem, have a nice day.”

  • @fred2228
    @fred22282 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are always great and informative. I'm getting back into flying after a 25 year break (Commercial, SEL, MEL, instrument) and I've got a lot of catching up to do before I even set foot in a plane. With the availability of excellent online learning materials, combined with videos like yours and the other great contributors, my re-entry into aviation will be smooth. Thanks.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear you are getting back into flying. Good luck!

  • @240greyhawke
    @240greyhawke2 жыл бұрын

    Great video. As always. I actually stopped by one day just to shake your hand and say thank you for putting these videos out. Unfortunately you were not in at the time, so I hope that one day soon I’ll be able to personally thank you for putting these videos out on KZread.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks and you are welcome. Hope you stop by again!

  • @saschamenesi4865
    @saschamenesi48652 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always Rich👍

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👍. I appreciate it!

  • @robertg5393
    @robertg53932 жыл бұрын

    Great video, Rich. You are a great mentor to so many. Keep up the great work.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the message!

  • @donandhisstationair2382
    @donandhisstationair23822 жыл бұрын

    Rich, you are something else! You fly everything!! Awesome

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @JanKoltai
    @JanKoltai2 жыл бұрын

    As always Rich, Great video brings me back to my CFI days always fun to watch a PRO as yourself at work👍

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I appreciate that!

  • @TheFirePilot
    @TheFirePilot2 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy seeing insights watching others transition to larger / faster aircraft. From the 150 / Piper Arrow / to our 310 I've learned so much along the way but really enjoy seeing others and their journey doing the same. Good Job Chuck and Rich

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you and thanks for watching!

  • @paultaylor9939
    @paultaylor99392 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks for sharing and great tuition there in between each transition of the flight ,and what a great jet they make Cessna cheers

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @scotty11782
    @scotty117822 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Rich

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @garciajose702
    @garciajose7022 жыл бұрын

    Great videos, very informative and enjoyable to watch and learn. 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @m.candan6935
    @m.candan69352 жыл бұрын

    Great video Rich. You are the best Pilot teacher

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! That's nice to hear!

  • @rfriesen1644
    @rfriesen16442 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Enjoy videos that include some of the phases of IFR flights such as departures, procedures, arrivals etc. Thanks again Rich.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the comment and watching.

  • @Abdiyaretube
    @Abdiyaretube2 жыл бұрын

    The fisrt time i watch a training video on a jet !! Woow. Nice video Rich. Waiting for more videos. 😘🥰

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you - more coming!

  • @Allegan49010
    @Allegan490102 жыл бұрын

    Great comparison flight!

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching!

  • @garybelbeck6946
    @garybelbeck69462 жыл бұрын

    Great video editing. Nice work.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @jasonalpha
    @jasonalpha2 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting video

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson37582 жыл бұрын

    Nice landing

  • @operationcenterbravo
    @operationcenterbravo2 жыл бұрын

    A really calm guy as a guest.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching!

  • @eglide73
    @eglide732 жыл бұрын

    To approach and land that slow in a jet is just amazing. I can remember when the 421 was Cessna’s top of the line. No turboprops and no jets.

  • @BlackHawk-yl5gu

    @BlackHawk-yl5gu

    5 ай бұрын

    That’s a beautiful aircraft

  • @karlheaton3848
    @karlheaton38482 жыл бұрын

    Rich is a fantastic mentor, so calm and collected. Would love to fly with you on day shame i'm in the UK i would learn a great deal from you.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @slowsteve3497
    @slowsteve34972 жыл бұрын

    Owner is rock solid pilot.

  • @superskullmaster
    @superskullmaster2 жыл бұрын

    Use that checklist!!!

  • @DonAv8s
    @DonAv8s2 жыл бұрын

    A great video and a great subject. I am looking at transitioning from Vision Jet to a TBM or light twin jet. I think I need to talk to Rich!

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes please feel free to reach out to me! Thank you!

  • @DonAv8s

    @DonAv8s

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FlyingwithRich Thanks Rich! I will definitely do that…

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson37582 жыл бұрын

    I’ll fly with him and be his SIC and do more IFR cross country flights

  • @bernardanderson3758
    @bernardanderson37582 жыл бұрын

    Let’s do this Rich and I got the back seat for the Camera 🎥

  • @gtr1952
    @gtr19522 жыл бұрын

    His comments on the 900 fuel burn and maintenance were interesting. Most TBM owners are happy with them? That PT6 is even single lever FADEC I think. I also thought by now some clever engineer would come up with something to help with prop torque. It was all very interesting. 8) --gary

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. My take from Chuck was that he loves the TBMs but was also very pleased with the lower mx costs ( in his experience) performance and reliability of the Mustang. Thanks for watching.

  • @dralbuquerque5162
    @dralbuquerque51622 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Is the maintenance on a Mustang really less than a TBM? Curious what the engine overhauls run on a Mustang?

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Based on my experience, Mustang cheaper. Chuck has owned both, he agrees. Thanks for watching.

  • @johnfitzpatrick2469
    @johnfitzpatrick24692 жыл бұрын

    To the untrained eye, the plane looks like the premier 1A jet. "Lands the same" 🌏🇦🇺

  • @spiro5327
    @spiro53272 жыл бұрын

    Interesting how a single engine turboprop is more costly to maintain than a twin engine jet from what Chuck was saying. Thanks Rich

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is interesting but my experience is it’s true! Thanks for watching.

  • @tombrewer8509
    @tombrewer85092 жыл бұрын

    What’s your vector, Victor? Roger, Roger… huh? 😂

  • @Agislife1960
    @Agislife19602 жыл бұрын

    I was an A&P for over 20 years, Im just having a hard time understanding how two turbofan engines are less expensive to operate than one turboprop, and the fact that the owner says that the TBM burns more fuel on the ground than the Mustang blows me away

  • @dawgdaes
    @dawgdaes2 жыл бұрын

    He mentioned a left wing down accident. What does that mean?

  • @mbh677

    @mbh677

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stall/spin of the left wing which demands prompt opposite rudder, hence his “teaches you to work/use the pedals” reference of a multi-engine rating as you’re trained to use opposite rudder of the failed engine during engine out training to maintain control of the airplane. Single engine training doesn’t emphasize life-saving rudder use to the extent of multi-engine training although certainly the more any pilot thinks about and actively uses their feet and aircraft control the better and hopefully safer they fly.

  • @sampasultana4285
    @sampasultana42852 жыл бұрын

    Is it for sale

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    No this one. Thanks for watching!

  • @tims1288
    @tims12882 жыл бұрын

    I want to push that heading bug so bad

  • @dmitryrykov831
    @dmitryrykov8312 жыл бұрын

    First)

  • @cokeforever
    @cokeforever Жыл бұрын

    This guy is really tense, it feels like he's doing things twice: once in his head, then in real world... he's gotta relax a little, maybe get more simulator time... and work on phraseology too, his constant "okay"s are wasting his own time... and as for airspeed, he needs to be ready to hold 170kts until outer marker at all times, it is a twin jet

  • @smartycummins2500
    @smartycummins25002 жыл бұрын

    Phenom 100 is so much better than the mustang

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pretty broad statement - market demand doesn’t support it. Thanks for watching!

  • @robertg5393

    @robertg5393

    2 жыл бұрын

    LOL - what a BS. The Phenom is a great airplane; So is the Mustang. The Phenom has a nice airstair, and has a slightly higher speed (30kts) - but maintenance is much more expensive (check into the mandatory gear overhaul), and has poor high and short field take off performance.... Also the acquisition cost is higher (20%) ... The Mustang is a fantastic single-pilot Jet....it does everything very well. So as Rich says, a broad (mis) statement.

  • @smartycummins2500

    @smartycummins2500

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@robertg5393 10 year landing gear overhaul is covered under the ESP plan. I’m an owner operator of a 2009 100. 1,000lbs full fuel useful load. Acquired for under $2M. Does .61 with ease and burns under 600lbs/hr. I do agree that the short field isn’t the best in the industry, but I’m not taking a jet into a 3,500ft runway. Mustang was what I originally was going to buy until I saw the numbers on the Phenom. 5 years later and I couldn’t be happier.

  • @robertg5393

    @robertg5393

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@smartycummins2500 That's great that it works for you. I fly a Mustang and I like the Phenom as well. But to say that the 100 is so much better is just not correct... My next plane would be a Phenom 300 though - NOW you are talking.

  • @FlyingwithRich

    @FlyingwithRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    What is ESP?

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