I had a 63 Catalina with the 389 when I was in high school. It was my dads daily driver. Loved that car. I built it up with junk yard parts until I traded for a Road Runner. I miss the days when you could buy motors for 150 dollars and swap out parts without having to deal with emissions and engine computers. A tach and dwell meter and a timing light were as complicated as it got.

@imapisces5156

2 жыл бұрын

I remember those days, In 1960, I bought a new 283 cu 315 hp Corvette FI short block for $215, in 62 I bought a new 327 cu 360 hp short block for $245. You could have a great time on the street with either of those engines in a 57 chevy.

@darrylnicholson2197

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself

@rodgerhecht3623

2 жыл бұрын

I miss those days.

@jamesmooney8933

2 жыл бұрын

My dad had a '63 Catalina with a 389 2 barrel. It had a slim jim transmission. It had a quarky starting. If you let the car drift to 5mph. & then floor it. The car would go like a rocket. The only thing I can figure is that the tork converter had vanes that changed angles

@donf3877

Жыл бұрын

Late sixties early seventies, my city had the Trading Post newspaper. The "auto parts" section usually two WHOLE PAGES. Engines and parts, Intakes $30 and up, Four barrels $25 and up, Headers, trannies, rearends, just about anything. And, what you couldn't find there... the junkyards had. For a couple hundred bucks, you could turn a 327 two barrel single exhaust Impala into a real burner. Yeah... the old days. EVERY boy in school knew about cars. Now... put a "chip" in it is about ALL they know.

I'm an old Pontiac guy BUT they are both great cars; yes, those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end...

@andyfoley6906

2 жыл бұрын

I’m an old Pontiac guy too, but always dug that 409. Great 60’s song quote too!

@bugmandu1

Жыл бұрын

We'd sing and dance forever and a day We'd live the life we choose

Al Loy... Let me try to clear the air a little bit ... The two cars on the video are good friends, they have been pairing off for a number of years. At this time 2012 , the guy in the 409 was 65 years old , the fellow in the Pontiac was 71 .. Both cars are basically stock street motors , neither car has been stroked and so on, both 4 speed, cam headers and slicks and that is it. So this day the guy in the Pontiac says... To the 09 guy, hey man why don't you spot me a light or two since I've never beaten you? The 09 guy says you know what? Today is your lucky day, cause I'm going to give you the whole Tree !!!!! And with a slipping clutch, I still got him on the Big End ... I'm the owner and driver of the 409 ! Let me finish with this in mind...both of these cars run in stock form, ETs that were consistent with the early to mid 60's.

@ModSquads

5 жыл бұрын

Thx for the explanation. I wasn't sure why it wasnt heads up. Must be pretty cool to have such a friendship. Y'all keep Rock'n and drag'n!

@_dave4460

5 жыл бұрын

i thought maybe it was a handicap... great video!

@twinphill900

5 жыл бұрын

freakineagle what great story really brought a smile to my face.

@gregepperson1793

5 жыл бұрын

that ole Poncho should have been able to wipe the floor with that little 409

@bigsparky8888

5 жыл бұрын

I am 70 myself...Been to Lyons...Fontana...closed down that track(oh hek... I fergot)for Miller to make Lowenbrau...thank you kind sir... I love old iron...

The 409er really an incredible shifting technique you can see the car popping every time he does a power shift...and 2nd to 3rd is silky smooth a difficult shift for many "young" racers who miss shift often unless they use a straight gate...but as said here everything is stock! And so that 409 "wow, through 4th gear that's a fast car!!!And a slipping clutch???Both cars are just beautiful-loud!!!

@OxBlitzkriegxO

Жыл бұрын

thats a result of soft suspension, not any soft of massive torque or power lol. yes, its a strong running car but its not overpowering the chassis.

Owning a car back then was everything for a guy...Each car had ir's own personality and you could trick it up to be an incredible racing machine or a "head turner"..Those of you who weren't around back when muscle Cars were the pride and joy of American know how can't imagine what it was like.....

@1badhaircut

3 жыл бұрын

And street-racing had not been demonized - cops wouldn’t arrest you - they asked questions about your car 😳- one told me we work till midnight and there will be 30 minutes till the late shift arrives

@rascal0175

3 жыл бұрын

Steven Berry - Born in ‘47, hit 18 in ‘65. Had a ‘65 GTO and a ‘66 427/425 Corvette. Then came war, marriage and kids. Man, but those were the days. All that’s left now is my funeral and that won’t be near as much fun.

@yLeprechaun

3 жыл бұрын

@Steven Berry, and we would cruise them on the weekend. Kids now days don't seem to care about a car. Sad. And noone cruises anymore. Hell, that's what we did Fri n Sat night; cruised broadway.

@kramnull8962

3 жыл бұрын

@@yLeprechaun Heck they banned cruising here in NC in the late 80's and early 90's...

@jamesguidry3995

3 жыл бұрын

Your so right Stevo , thats what we did every day & night all through the 60s , right up to 1971 . GLORY DAYS THEY WERE !

This must be a race for second place, no Mopar. Just kidding, these are two true legends of drag racing we’re seeing here. Awesome to see them still out there doing it.

@Shade_tree_garage01

2 жыл бұрын

If you see a fast car, if it’s not a Chevy it’s a dodge

freakineagle, great story. Thx for sharing it. I'm 63 now, 2021. My first car was a 64 Impala SS, 327 4 barrel, 2 speed Powerglide tranny. Got it in 73, $575 in perfect condition from the original owner. It wasn't a 409, but it was quick for such a heavy car. I was out running every 350 that Olds or Pontiac could throw at me. Outran Boss 302 Mustangs and 351 Cleveland's. 37 years later and I still miss my car. I often wonder what became of her, whether she died a violent death in some crash, rusted away in some heartless back yard, or hopefully still out there making some old man happy. All that just to say, man I really your car!

I too had a 409, in 63 Impala SS 425 hp 3/4 cam a 4 speed with 2 4 barrel carbs. The only thing she couldn’t beat was a 427 vet Or a 427 Camaro . GTO, 442, Roadrunner , Superbee It didn’t matter they saw taillights. Loved that car loved that Time

@johncronin5311

Жыл бұрын

What is a 3/4 cam?

@JoeNicks389

Жыл бұрын

I had about the same car except it was in a Biscayne. Had a 4.56 rear end with 1st gear maxed out at 6,100rpm and 30 mph. That 4th gear got most of them. Great that gas was .32 cent a gallon. never forget those days, long gone as are most of the guys a hugh with.

@samuelblacksmith2956

Жыл бұрын

3/4 cam … Mild racing cam

Very well put Steven. Thanks. I am glad I lived through those times. They were the best days.

@johannesvanhoek9080

3 жыл бұрын

Yes , the best of times ! 👍

back in 71 my bro in law dropped me off at a dealer to pick up a 63 Cat (a trade in ) and drive it back from the city to his little body shop which was 12 miles away in a little town. . I decided to take a back road , raced around a curve , slipped on an icy sideroad , stuck in a snow bank. Got a farmer to pull it out but rt.side was crushed. Drove it into the shop yard. My bro. in law screamed 'you had one job',,, that is where the expression was born ,I guess.

More than just fast, those 63 Catalina's were beautiful cars.

@dougburg3210

3 жыл бұрын

i lucked out and found a 1963 grand prix not far from my house. that was 1985. an old man had it. he had health issues and let the car go. you are right. they are really beautiful cars. and the stock 389 car had plenty of oats.

@kramnull8962

3 жыл бұрын

@@dougburg3210 Friend had a 65 GTO with a 389 bored and stroked to a 421 with a tri power. Had a heck of a "Hot For Teacher" cam in it. Thing was It would burn through the 3.90 posi all 4 gears like a chainsaw revving up through all the gears. That was on pump gas in the 90's so 92-93 octane....

@tomcherry7029

3 жыл бұрын

@@kramnull8962 not Posi , Safe-T-Track, posi is a Chevy term for limited slip.

i love both cars, but i have to say the pontiac is beautiful...but awesome shoot out... thanks for sharing

When I was 16 the first car that I ever drove was my Dad's 1964 421 Cu In Bonneville Convertible.

@Fesaru75

4 жыл бұрын

When i was young, that was m'y dads 1980 renault 18 wagon ( TL model ), very popular in France in the 80's. Not the same category :D

@samwalker7821

3 жыл бұрын

My Dad also had a stock 421 Pontiac Bonny coupe. He always complained about a sore left leg because of the HD clutch. lol

Aww the 409 aka scallop heads with a awsomme sound &Pontiac good ole American muscle

Joe's Esso in Jupiter. We built a ' '56 210 Chevrolet with a 348 3-2s that ran in 13s. We had fun. We drove it to PBIR and back.

The Pontiac was impressive, but God damn that Chevy was on a mission

@mikerieck306

2 жыл бұрын

No kidding......that thing hits hard.

Great race, must be friends messing with each.. love the cars, dont make them like that anymore..👍

I would love to have either of these cars.

@michaelpashalian5585

3 жыл бұрын

To think that I had both of those cars 62 409 2×4s and 4speed &65 2+2 4spd. Both beasts, but best of all I loved my 66 Satelite 426 Hemi 4spd.I think I located one in Tennessee.

@chevyblue10

3 жыл бұрын

You and me both

Awesome video My dad had a 65 8 lug black on black was a fun car with 421 4 speed & 411 gears ! I was in my glory sneaking out that car Bonneville was a real sleeper & cops always pulled over the novas & cameros and it was that poncho making all the noise !

Now that's how shift a fucking 4 speed!!! Awesome man!!!

That 409 speed shifting

That's REAL racing there!

I had 8 uncle's. They had all those cars. They were crazy guys and did a lot of dumb things. Chevys with 409's and Pontiac 389 Tri power's corvettes 283 and 327's. Gtx 440 six pack. 65 galaxy with 427. 64 1/2 mustang with 289hp. I was only 12 and that's what I remember. They were always in trouble. A 39 chevy coup they built a house around it. That's right. It was inside a house in front room. The house was torn down and my brother has the car. In the 1970's they had 30 cars laying around grandma's yard on the farm. Chevy impala and chevelle's. Parts all over the place. My uncle sold me a 65 impala for $25. One small dent. It smoked but ran. Then the county told grandma to get rid of the cars. They all went for junk.

@freakineagle

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Montreuil Man love the comment. You were a lucky kid. Everyone had stories from back in the day, but yours is really cool and true. I am sure you could write a book on what you saw and heard. Thank you. "Hotrod" and #CoupeZilla

I took my drivers license test in a 1964 409 Impala. I dad was a real performance car nut. I know when I went out in the 409 there were not many cars they could hang with me on top end.

Yeah, they were some awesome cars back then. Thanks

Little did people know that these early 1960s cars would lead the way to the muscle car era only a few years later. The factory race cars weren't designed for street driving but a few did end up racing on the streets. The Chevy 409 really did become the stuff of legend during this time but the Pontiac 421 wasn't a bad engine either

@donjennings9034

2 жыл бұрын

The 409 was fast if you could get it to stay together.

The 421SD with the dual quad set up is the baddest engine Pontiac made in that era. Imo superior to any 389,400, or 455

@timreichert9982

5 жыл бұрын

If your talking stock? Yes. In which I conclude the RA IV 400 for it's volume must come pretty close.

@kennycamaro2361

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Thompson 505 hp

@Fesaru75

4 жыл бұрын

@@kennycamaro2361 505hp for the catalina 421SD !!! Wow ... So that was maybe the quickest car at this time ? How much ft lbs ?

@jeremythompson9122

4 жыл бұрын

@@kennycamaro2361 I saw a video where they pitted a bone stock Pontiac 421 SD against a bone stock Chevy 409/409. The SD cranked out 488 horses at 6000 rpm. The 409 was good for 406 peak horsepower at 6000 rpm. The 421 SD vs the Chevy Z11 427 would've been more of a fair comparison because the 421 SD was a full race engine and the 409/409 was a street engine. But nearly 490 horsepower bone stock is pretty incredible. Thats in 426 Street Hemi territory

@pgh1all1

3 жыл бұрын

Wow the 409 even with giving the pontiac half a track lead,readily caught right up to him. hmmm......I say long live bow tie power!!!

421 super duty, one of the best hi-po engines ever made. Little known until you run up on one

@freakineagle

6 жыл бұрын

You are so right Sherry Setliff. Really bad ass just like the Pontiac Ram Air IV. Thank you for the comment. Me and #CoupeZilla

@VincePGallant

6 жыл бұрын

Sherry Setliff She's real fine my "409" This isn't Drag Racing.....this is Bracket Racing! The 409 always eats a 421! But the 421 is fucking great motor!!!!😎

@packingten

5 жыл бұрын

@@VincePGallant Hey bud not so fast I had a bonneville with 421+ 4spd. 421s were pretty fair engines. All of you guys who got hold of a Bech boys album think the 409 was the poop..it was one of the FIRST engines over 400 cubes. Guess what they were considered junk in they're day. A Lot of 348s replaced them. My Bonneville was FASTER than 409s. Ford had some bad boys in the race too bud. 406....427sq...So burn the BB album 409s were a LOT OF HYPE!

@VincePGallant

5 жыл бұрын

@@packingten I think we're both too emotional. They're both great engines. I'll have to admit that the Bonneville is the prettier girl😎

@NipkowDisk

5 жыл бұрын

The 421 is one of the most underrated engines out there IMO; they were quietly brutal.

Yeah, RJL the 409 got the Poncho on top end. Thanks

Those big Indians were sleepers on the street....my `66 Grand Prix 421 HO, 4-speed, 3.70 Posi embarrassed a ton of Chevelles, Goats, 442s, Boss Mustangs, etc. It ran 13.90 @ 103 in the quarter at Englishtown....not bad for a big sled :-) And you guys are right...bracket racing and 1/8 mile is a joke. Whoever gets to the Finish line first WINS !. Period.

@freakineagle

10 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great comment. I love Ponchos!

@mlm3165

9 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to seen that! Did you ever race any Buick Grand Nationals with that '66 Prix? ('62-68 GPs are my favorites!!)

@USCisgay

8 жыл бұрын

+mlm3165 i had a 99 prix... lol

@grumpyoldfart7302

8 жыл бұрын

I had a GTO, 400, 4 bbl, 4 speed. Ran good, nice car, but the 3 deuce, 389's would smoke it.

@1979cl1

8 жыл бұрын

I'm a Chevy guy but i admit the Pontiacs are real ass kickers!!

Chevies were known to beat their opponents at the top end after the horsepower kicked in

The Chevy driver was power shifting the 4 speed. Nice to see someone who actually knows how to race the 4 speed.

THAT is a badass 09!

Talk about style, the 409 had white painted rimes and still looked bad ass.

Clark Kent etc. A close friend had a 63 Catalina like the one shown. It was 421 cu. in and 370 h.p. They had a higher hp options as they had a lightweight aluminum front end car and also swiss cheese frame cars. Union Park Pontiac ran one of the latter. their dealership is like 5 blocks from my home. Anyway , growing up in the era in question and running a 406 Galaxie that never lost to a 409 on the street and only a couple times at the track , the 409 myth continues. there were way more 409's than the big block pontiacs and fords . Whenever you play the numbers game , its just the law of averages that many of the hottest cars are campaigned by dealerships that sold them,and had some of the best drivers / mechanics.When the 413 / 426 Mopars arrived and make no mistake , they kicked most everyone's asses..... guys jumped on the Mopar bandwagon.When Ford started backing dealers / drivers ... guess what , the T-bolts and later the Cobra Jets ,they dominated. in my opinion , that's why it was cool , as we always had the competition and we cheered for our make of machinery

@freakineagle

10 жыл бұрын

You are right on the money Nicholas. That was THE BEST era of cars ever. Most people today missed it all. Not every 409 was fast...I had a 62 409 Biscayne with the 385 horse, not the one with the two fours...that was the bad ass. And you have to consider that on the street back then the tires were narrow and crap. It was who ever could "hook up" their machine. Usually the real bad ass cars would spin and the lesser car would win, but not always. Thanks for your great comment. I can tell that you are one of the guys that I would love to just sit down with a "six pack" and just talk about "back in the day" car stories.

@kctransplant70

10 жыл бұрын

freakineagle Exactly. The top of the line 409's (dual quads) pushing 425 HP most definitely WERE fast, and could run with ANYTHING back in the day. But the more tame 409's simply weren't fire breathers. The same can be said for ALL makes, whether it be Chevy, Pontiac, MOPAR or Ford. Big blocks installed in family station wagons were quite tame, and they were still tame when the same engines were installed in two door coupes. The only real exceptions are the 426 Hemi, the Ford 427 cammer, and the Chevy ZL1. Everything else was tuned anywhere from mild to wild. Look at the Chevy 350. The 1970 LT1 ran like a bat out of hell. ANY 350 from say, 1978 was a dog.

@bubub56

10 жыл бұрын

kctransplant70 dont forget the pontiac 400 ram air v engine

@wendlormsby

8 жыл бұрын

+Nicholas DiPinto ...The big myth that Chevy couldn't hide was the fact that the "409" would grenade after 5,000 rpm unless extensive bottom end work was performed on them. Chevy advertised their 409 in 1961 at 360 hp @ 5800 rpm, '62 @ 6000 rpm (Oops!), '63 @ 5000 rpm.

@icedragon642

8 жыл бұрын

+Sierra Foulke most people know about the Ram Air III and IV's but very very few know about the Ram Air V!!!! A 520 hp monster!!! They did a test of it in a 70 T/A bone stock straight from the factory and it ran in the low 10s. Pontiac was not allowed to advertise this engine due to corperate BS so only a few were ever ordered, but man think of the possibilities. Those tulip shaped ports on those head would flow like nobodies business!!!!

409 gave him a head start and almost got him on the top end.

I'll take the Pontiac. I'm a Mopar guy but Pontiac is my favorite brand other than Dodge and Plymouth. Those early 60's full size Pontiac's are beautiful cars...particularly the 61-62 bubble tops. But my favorite big Pontiac's have always been a 62 Catalina 421 Super Duty and a 65 Catalina 2+2 with the Tri Power 421 HO and a 4 speed. Always liked the 69-72 Grand Prix SJ/SSJ, 58-59 Tri Power Bonneville's, 60-61 Catalina 389 Super Duty, and the 57 Bonneville too...Pontiac's very first high performance car. I am primarily a Mopar guy but Pontiac definitely made the coolest full size performance cars. Mopar concentrated more on their intermediates and pony cars when it came to performance. All those big early to mid 60's Pontiac's with high performance versions of the 389/421 are awesome cars. Big, beautiful, comfortable, and FAST!!!

409 rowin thru the gearz. and love that big Poncho w/ trips. . .

Herb "Mr. 4-Speed" McCandless, is thst you again???? 😆

If you look at the record books 409 was the best in the nhra with its biggest greatest win in the us nationals. 421 was the best in the nascar biggest win the Daytona 500 both GM sisters in 1962 knew how to win and win big.

I have a 4 sp. 62 Grand Prix with 389 & three twos. When you kick it open, it goes. Sure would like to punch a 421 Super Duty through the gears one time.

I agree with you 100%. I had so much fun at this event and cannot wait to go next yr. again. Old School is where it is at. Thank you for the comment.

Pontiac dominated nascar with 421 during this era. Also, look at the 7th suggested video down on the right. One should not argue with a word like 'never' cos you'll be proven wrong. Great vintage footage though. There were simply more chevys and chevy parts back then for the average guy at the track to mod your own. All 409s didn't have 2-4s and neither did many 421 Pontiacs but in this race I'm pretty sure there is a 409 2-4 and 421 tripower (which is only 750cfm) and not the 'best' 421, the SD 421 which owned the 409 (both having 2-4s). Takes homework.

@freakineagle

10 жыл бұрын

Great comment! Thanks.

@ztwntyn8

10 жыл бұрын

Yes sir!

I have the best of both I have a1964 Canadian Pontiac Strato Chief with chevrolet running gear. A 409/425 HP 4 speed

@boostjunkie2320

6 жыл бұрын

You lucky devil you!

@sherrysetliff2502

5 жыл бұрын

Doug Carter cool car.

@69newportking

5 жыл бұрын

I would rather have the 421 in it .its a faster engine

@sherrysetliff2502

5 жыл бұрын

69newportking yeah, the car in the vid had the 421. But you are right. Pontiac should have never got rid of this engine. I think the 421 held the speed record for many years. The sd 421 was a beast.

@packingten

5 жыл бұрын

My first cousin had 59 Pontiac convertible with a 235 chevy engine & cast iron powerglide. The model? Parisiene(not sure spelling).

Thanks for the comment. Very enjoyable day and great people at the event.

Back in the day(60s) street racing for money, street guys were more leary of 64-66 Pontiac's (inc. GTOs) than a Hemi. A bottled up (thru mufflers) Hemi did not run so good. One of the hot rod books, back then did an article on that subject and claimed a bottled up Hemi on the street thru stock mufflers, lost almost 120 HP. Once I saw a good running 327-365 HP Corvette coupe beat a Hemi twice in a row. Exciting days/nights always action going on which I was right in the middle off for years.1955 to 1971. I had many,many cars Gassers, S/Stockers, Modified Production and a very special Corvette coupe. (had many 'Vettes).From the nightly hangouts to the connecting highways of NY where they ran the "Flying Mile" races at night. To quote Elmer Kieth "HELL I WAS THERE".

@user-hc9yt5gd6r

6 жыл бұрын

A.T. Martino Same in our era the late 70s the 421 open headers sound like thunder pounding the street.

Am I seeing things? Or did that '409' make the 'World's slowest start' and then proceed to out-run the Pontiac???What the hell?

@freakineagle

5 жыл бұрын

The guy in the 409 gave the Pontiac that head start on purpose and said, "I will still beat you", and he did.

@insulman100

5 жыл бұрын

My guess would be the Chevy has the top of the line 409 with 2 4 bbls vs the 421s 3 2 bbls had the Pontiac been a top of the line 421 SD it wouldn't have needed a head start to beat the 409 the 421 SD also has 2 4bbls and like 409 other factory high performance goodies

@falconater68

5 жыл бұрын

@@insulman100 So two barrels changes the outcome that drastically? ....Doe K. I better get a dual quad for my stock ranger.

@insulman100

5 жыл бұрын

Well yes falconator a duel 4 BBL set-up does make that big of a difference to start 2 650 cfm 4 bbls will flow 2 twice as much air or more than GMs 3 duce set-up second the duel quad intake Pontiac used on the SD was a high performance piece it flowed far better than Pontiac's 3 duce intake but the main difference is the SD part a 421 SD was basically a factory racing engine with high flow heads a radical high lift solid lifter cam light weight aluminum header 13 to 1 compression and more from the factory as you can see the 421 SD was much more than adding 2 bbls. the chevy 409 duel quad was Chevy's race engine it wasn't bad but the Pontiac 421 SD made about 80 or 90 more HP than the 409 with both engines in factory trim there's a video on you tube showing a dyno comparison of the two as far as your ranger goes now that would pretty muck be a waste of time and money now wouldn't it Tell ya what if your ranger has the V6 you can do something's to make a nice sleeper out of it those V6s run pretty good btw Chevy's 409 W (mark 1)big block wasn't a very good performance engine due to its stupid combustion chamber design but the mark 2 big block aka the mystery motor only about 50 427s were built and the mark 4 big blocks are really good performers in you're case wondering Chevy canceled the mark 3 before producing any engines they bought the design from Packard and decided not to use it

@insulman100

5 жыл бұрын

Ron I've seen it spelled both ways but just to clarify in my comments if I type duel quads it refers to an engine that has 2-4 barrel carburetors mounted on a single intake manifold. sorry for the confusion my spelling and grammar suck but real gearheads that aren't smart-asses understand me just fine

"SRFM409"... MY LICENSE PLATE ON MY 62' "BUBBLETOP"👍

Morgan and Morgan for the people my ass. Law firm commercials. Their not for the people. Their for themselves.

@pathbelow6652

5 жыл бұрын

@Donald Lewis GRRRRRIIIIIND 😠

I owned a 66 Grand Prix as well, It wasn't a 421, it was a 389 car, but it was still a good runner. Probably my favorite car I have owned.

@charger19691

9 жыл бұрын

*****, Pontiac ruled back in the 60's, back when GM was run by real car people and built quality vehicles!!! I really miss the old Ponchos roaming around..

@wendlormsby

8 жыл бұрын

+D. J. Tanner ...the pathetic 389 in your 4000+ GP made just 335 hp which ruled nothing in the 60's. Ford's big Galaxy in 1966 with it's 425 hp and 480 ft/lbs, dual quad 427 easily squashed any GP back then, even the 421's. And we need not even bring up Mopar and it's killer big block wedge motors and it's Hemi cars which hit the streets in 1964 in big cars like the Polara and Belvedere. And as for Chevy? How about the 409 hp, 409 in 1962 which they stuffed into every big car they made; Impala, Biscayne and Bel Air, all big cars. Their badass 427 came out in 1967 with 385 hp and 460 ft/lbs which which was tuned up to 425 hp and 460 ft/lbs for the '69 Impala. So, come on DJ, the GP was a beautiful, great handling car but it was woefully slow in drag racing, especially with one wheel drive, on the streets.

@charger19691

8 жыл бұрын

Wendl Ormsby, sure there were faster cars in the day. But Pontiac built great cars. Cars with class.

@charger19691

7 жыл бұрын

Tyler Labriola , you are correct sir.

@thomasadams7795

6 жыл бұрын

The 389 engine is the one that made Pontiac famous in racing

Looks like some kind of staggered braket-race start. Shoulda run it straight-up for us viewers. Of course the lousy camera-work means we can`t read the E.T.s. Coulda actually been a decent video. Oops.

Thanks for the video brother,.

Cool cars love the old factory muscle

Waynesboro, Va. Eastside Speedway. Thanks.

My 63 galaxie 406 would have needed more than the tree..

Thanks, and I totally agree.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

THIS IS THE VERY HEART OF THE 60S THAT WHEN YOU BOT NEW FULL SIZE CHEVROLET FORD DODGE AND YOU'RE OUT THERE DRAGGING THE STRIP FOR THE OWNER SHIP.

That is one good looking chevy.......

yeah Chad, some people still do not understand "bracket" racin'

@FaeryTraditionBitch

9 жыл бұрын

409s liked to blow up and they did that frequently.

@FaeryTraditionBitch

9 жыл бұрын

***** they also blew up a lot. Why else did Chevrolet replace that engine so quickly by 1965 ?

@FaeryTraditionBitch

9 жыл бұрын

***** fast car yes, but 409s were notorious for blowing up. Pontiac stayed with their engine, Chevy had to replace the "W" engine with a stronger engine.

@grumpyoldfart7302

8 жыл бұрын

They couldn't rev high like the competition.

@grumpyoldfart7302

7 жыл бұрын

***** Well I was at the drag strips every weekend, back then, And anyone who knew anything about engines knew you couldn't rev the 409 or 348. They were the biggest Bore/Stroke of any engine of the time, but had a weak crank assembly, (no 4 bolt or cross bolted mains) and weak pushrods. It was common to see pushrods sticking through the valve covers. Full sized Chevies were lighter than Ford and Dodge. I raced motorcycles for a dealer at he time and was a machinist, so I got a lot of the engines in our shop.

Always wanted a Catalina 421 sd

is like to to see two 61's, 348 vs 389

Curious as to the rear end gearing- of both.

Automotive GODS right there. Like to see them run a full 1/4 with a more even launch. If ya ain't banging gears, y'ain't truly driving. Never owned an AT vehicle and never will.

@toddsocal2

5 жыл бұрын

Owned a 65 Pontiac Catalina, 2 + 2, with a four-speed, no way could I ever handle a heavy clutch like that again--screws up my back!

Good friends don't let friends show their track times so their reputation isn't smeared.

My dad did! Had every muscle at one point or another! Good ol Texas!

No nothings don't realize the power of the poncho when it pushes that big iron down the track.

@hotrodray6802

3 жыл бұрын

Look up the specs. Apples to apples there was 100 pounds difference.

Here in Georgia, we rode the strip all the time during the 70s-early 80s. Cool ppl wouldn't leave the house to buy a pack of cigs without riding the strip at least once to see who else might be out there. The 70s were the best years ever imo. The great muscle cars of the 60s were used cars by then and could be bought unbelievably cheap...the music was the best, weed was cool, hard drugs weren't addictive, beer was cheap and the girls were skinny!!! Mini skirts were in, so were hot pants and halter tops. I often wished mini skirts would make a comeback, but it's too late now. Chics these days couldn't wear them. And if they did, they would still be ugly with their phat asses, botox lips, nose piercings and ugly ass tatts. Yep, those days are gone forever. You can't tell a Chevy from a KIA from a Nissan these days. And nobody cares. They are all just little piles of plastic shit. I am so glad I was a teenager in the 70s. It's so sad that young ppl will never get to experience the enchantment of such a beautiful world.

Just wish you would leave the video on long enough to see /read the winners? This seems too, happen all the time on the site.

What were the times?

Any more videos of the Catalina?

Damn look at that 409 get it

Hell yeah, and run the 48!!!!!!! We would have a blast.

Where is this track?

409 and all Chevy performance invented developed by Zora Duntov a Russian Jewish engineer for.GM. He was father of Corvette also. Chevy rules

Why do I think those 421's came stock with a tunnel-ram?

Thanks for the COOL comment.

Who won?

I got a 1975 chevette that can smoke both them cars in a fair race......yes my 4 banger sure has the slam you back in your seat....face stretching..tire smokin....fire breathing bone stock power........oooowwooweee!

I grew up in the wrong era lol. New cars suck ass. Old school is where it’s at 💪

SHE REAL FINE MY 409!

I am a GM fanatic. With Cadillac, Chevy, Pontiac, OIdsmobile and Buick being my favorites. I also own Mercurys and Fords. The main thing I do is tell it like it is. See Skip, I own a 409 and I have the dyno sheets to prove what it puts down TO THE GROUND. I don't deal in fanboy dreams and thinking that if I can stay within 3 car lenghs of someone I am racing that it was a close race. Now run along and play Matchbox cars, Junior. Mommy has din din all ready for you.

@packingten

5 жыл бұрын

Wow your really badass...whoa...Having all those cars like that did your daddy put blocks on the PEDALS so your littlr tootsies wud reach?. I bet some smart ass with a Big wheel never knew what hit him..Well gotta go now. Be sure to take your Flintstone vities...Barney Rubble your fav??. Later Snaglepuss my fav is on toodle loo.

giddy up 409!!!

I am the 409th like 👍 for this video.

No, but I wish I had. It was a gorgeous car! Thanks

I miss the seventies 💪

Red lighted Poncho🥺

For people that believe rebrand engineering didn't exist

E.T hid behind a pole not worth a crap.

I got a old bugeyed, sittin?

409 409 oh baby my Peggy sue

You are probably right! Thanks

love the nailhead . gave ponty the tree and got him

@sergeantmasson3669

Жыл бұрын

Michael Edwards, Buick had the nailhead, not Pontiac, PUTZ

@michaeledwards8058

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeantmasson3669 exactly .putz

Didn't show the tree, who won, what et, and what mph. Otherwise, great job!

@hotrodray6802

3 жыл бұрын

Uh ya its there, just look. 9.021 Pont 7.945 Chevy 1/8 mile

Get rid of that dial-n crap!!! Cars like this need to b running heads up!!

@chuckd7423

3 жыл бұрын

That was just a pre-planned handicap agreed on between two friends who'd raced each other numerous times, and who already knew which car was faster. The Chevy still won the race, even after spotting the Poncho a car length or two.

poor 409 clutch is slipping like crazy

You are 100% correct Tim. Thanks for the great comment.

First car 1963 stratochief 327 3 spd stick

If I win the lotto Every car like those that I ever wanted I will buy Drive them once then sell them At 65 I've never had a car i really wanted only what I could afford

I WANNA GO NEXT YEAR!