The way replacement effects apply if you have a Loam in the bin or hit the Loam at any point after getting Chains+Anvil in play you can dredge Loam instead of Applying Chains and you get to keep the card you drew for turn and break out of the lock. Source: it's me! I built the deck. Guess I should have put that in the provided info when I donated for the deck lol

@Tscherni

2 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say that, the interaction is convoluted as hell though. Seems like a fun deck, I might try it out. Good job.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Oh sick, then yeah I blew it haha

@robertbrinker1769

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. The only 2 times you had both in play you didn't have Loam against Delver and were dead anyway, and against Green Post you found it but were already dead at that point as well. Also like I said it's a very niche interaction that I definitely should have mentioned. Especially since it was sorta the Impetus behind the deck. I goofed.

@dirtydeeds4free553

2 жыл бұрын

Source? It's me mwahahahaha the evil chains man

@hashshashin000

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a revisit of this deck with that knowledge in hand.

I dies when he took Tourach with Inquisition because you need a whole team and Powerpoint presentation to understand Chains

Lesson from this league: there are two types of opponents: 1. Michael Mapson 2. Not Michael Mapson

take a shot everytime Brian says "hammer" instead of "anvil"

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck out there 😵 🥴

Back when Gitaxian Probe was still legal and you could play Cabal Therapy in your ANT decks, I used to love going game 2 or 3, turn one instantly blind cast Therapy naming Mox Diamond against this style of deck. It was particularly fantastic when my opponents tanked on their opening hand, because that meant they didn't have a hand which could kill me faster than I killed them, but they did have some disruption or they couldn't keep the hand, but the disruption wasn't a one mana thing you can just snap off. Which meant the most likely hand for them to have was at least one Mox Diamond plus a 2 mana disruption piece. A long winded chain of logic, sure, but it worked every time. Hit two Moxen several times, and got my opponent to think I was a goddamn cheater who somehow looked at their hand to boot.

Patreon subscriber Robert is a mad scientist who only lives to make people want to quit Magic

@robertbrinker1769

2 жыл бұрын

It's true. I do.

You know your combo is up to some extremely weird shit when you assemble it and then can't immediately tell which player it hurts the most... Well played! :D

I’ve been watching your legacy videos for a while now. Never been able to actually play legacy because of cost and such. But man if this deck isn’t exactly what I want to do in magic I don’t know what is. Plays almost all of my favorite cards. Such a cool deck

ChainsAnvil was my favorite deck back in early 2000s 😘👌

Anvil of Bogarden is an old favorite of mine. Before 8 Rack was a thing I had this janky mono-black that ran them with Megrim and Underworld Dreams. I'd wipe the board with Mutilate until I could tap out for about 40 black with multiple Cabal Coffers + Blanket of Night + Deserted Temple, then play Null Profusion and proceed to play about half my deck. They'd take 30ish damage in their draw step. It was loooads of fun.

Could a title to a video be any more enticing? Jesus!

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

It's a non-stop string of exciting words.

@danielwappner1035

2 жыл бұрын

I agree this is just fantastic

"Last time you were mean to me with bad cards" How many of these comments have you racked up :D

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Occupational hazard.

2:00 Cracked myself up because I imagined Brian's voiceover as the Demon on the card having to explain his torture to you and why you should fear it.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to ETERNAL DAMNATION! We have some… uh… confusing techniques here. Pls stay for the tutorial.

@EGarrett01

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll And the demon talking from the battlefield after the loss at 24:38 "You can see how, like, that would've worked though and how it would've been ironic torment, right?"

Watched about half of this when it was first posted. Finally had time to come finish watching. I love Anvil+Chains. One of my favorite Magic memories involve these two cards. I used to Stream MTGO Commander content on Twitch until my computer died. I havnt returned since I sold my collection to fix the computer. Someone I played regularly invited me to a CEDH Discord community he was a part of. Met some cool people and had some good games. One day I am Streaming a Nath The Gilt Leaf Stax deck with this combo in it. The guy who owns the CEDH Discord channel pops into the game with competitive deck: Thrasios/Vial Smasher I believe. Really quick Chains wins that game. I start another. He joins. Same result. Now other members of the group are joining in. I'm now playing straight CEDH pods with Nath. I reliably find and resolve Chains, Anvil, or both in each game. I win each game. After about five games of being completely destroyed by what is generally considered a low tier Commander, they get salty and leave. I go to message someone on the Discord channel and find I've been booted. I ask friends in the group. Guy's official answer is I was booted for playing non-competitive decks. Always makes me laugh when I remember it. I miss Commander. Love Chains and Anvil.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a group who needed a salty little Chains beating.

@PatriciaCross

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll they really did. Honestly I think they didn't like being beaten. Group makeup seemed to speak to that. And he clearly never played against Chains before, or made any effort to understand it. First two games, he played a Brainstorm right into it. Me *plays Chains, pass* Their turn *Brainstorm* At the end of the last game he was saying I was only winning because nobody was countering my Chains/Anvil/Stax piece. He filled the table with CEDH players with excellent lists for multiple games, I just played accordingly and resolved what I wanted to resolve. Could not recognize being outplayed. It's really sad; because an attitude like that actually prevents you from becoming a better player. If I find I'm losing to a specific player or strategy, I throw myself into it. That's how you become better.

Loam pox has to be one of my favourite decks in all of magic. Been experimenting a bit with a version that uses exploration. I think it has the potential to be a real deck, ultra hyped for the vid, liked before even watching. The only considerations i'll add on this is list is cabal pit. That card saved my ass many times for a very small opportunity cost.

As someone who has a Nath Stax player in many of my cEDH pods, I'm here for Chains!

I feel like the win condition is the opponent concedes

I am here for this legacy action

This is the most metal sounding deck I have ever heard of

This deck should just be called 'What 2Chainz do'

Would love to see a version of this with Sevinne's Reclamation

"If you have 2Chainz in play" I'm ridin' around I'm gettin' it, I'm ridin' around I'm gettin' it...

I’m convinced Brian kept saying Hammer instead of Anvil just so he could say it’s Hammer Time

Something to think about: add white for cheap removal and heliods hall of generosity to recycle your stax engines ;)

8:55 to be fair he helped you. The saga still has the second ability even if the counters got removed ;)

Although the Hammer + Chains lock is a central part of the deck, you could probably cut a hammer or two in favor of other cards, since Hammer on its own is beneficial to your opponents, while Chains on its own is not.

Winning games by confusing the enemy.

Chains!

#ETERNAL KING BABY!!!!!!

Came for the chains stayed for the pox

Wouldn’t it be better to keep needle versus cloud post then the fourth loam?

Shame that those chains, are so expensive to get... The deck is very spicy... But have a huge cost in paper. Sad because I could see myself playing it like a lot.

You had great success with witherbloom command in other decks do you feel a 1 or 2 of would be a fit?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it fits this shell. Command really wants you to pick smart spots to cast it, Pox decks want you to dump all your cards and function from hellbent.

Anyone see me at PT97 earn this nickname from Tom Hovi? Mir/Viz Rochester was the format... I was the guy with all the boomerangs, etherwells, lapses and like 6 vision charms and 2 anvils... (IIRC my sb even had that blue rare that exiles graveyards)

Is there a reason not to SB surgical in round 2 versus loam/uro goodstuff?

What about Chains with Eruth, Tormented Prophet? That way you can't lock yourself!

Instant like, this is an og black players wet dream

Kinda sus that there are no leylines of the void in the sideboard, it just handicaps delver and uro decks, whilst the liliana hope and toxic deluge seem just kinda bad

dark confidant effects also get around chains. maybe not Bob himself but dark tutelage?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Tutelage might be interesting. I'd want to look if there's a planeswalker at 3 or 4 mana that does something similar. Definitely can't play creatures because of Smallpox.

@knifeceiling

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll grist might be a house

@SuperSilverSerpent

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll Sorin the mirthless? He’s a 4 mana PW that upticks for a confidant.

Do you think Squee could fit into this deck? Seems great to not lock yourself with anvil and works well with Liliana, loam, pox, and anvil.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a cool card, finding deck space would be the challenge

@PatriciaCross

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll if you were going to add Squee, I'd also add a couple Entomb. Lets you find Squee or Loam. That way you can make cuts with the idea that what you are adding is increasing consistency. A few Sideboard options could even potentially be Entomb targets. Ancient Grudge for instance.

7:00 Dream Halls was 1998, what is he talking about? Chains is 1994.

6:28 But then wouldn’t you want to just add the fourth Smallpox instead?

Why aren't we playing kaheera?

Hi. Can You send me list. Did not get all the cards. The cards after Lili, what is?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a decklist link in the video description.

Why is there no "Snuff Outs"? Not even in the sideboard... Also, just 1 "The Rack"? Is that enought?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

This deck has a ton of removal in it that doesn’t cost 4 life. What does specifically Snuff Out add that isn’t already covered? The Rack is a bad draw and you only need 1 to win when it’s good, you find it off Urza’s Saga when the time is right.

@meaningfulmax9351

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll My point is: Fatal push doesn't kill Murktide Regent. But you have experience with "Pox decks", and I don't. In fact I don't particularly like the "Pox thematic as a hole, lol. I find it boring, haha! But as always, great and original content! Keep it up man!

At 9:30 why would you dark ritual out chains to leave two mana up? You can just play chains and leave ritual up. Are you that afraid of Mental Misstep?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

In my head I was leaving up mana for the removal spell, but it doesn't matter what order I do it in and would have been better to save the Ritual.

Not once did you have 2 chains & I'm not even 100% sure if that works as intended to be honest

WTF?!? This is my kind of sh*it lol

Could a title to a video be any more enticing? Jesus!