Velcro has a "service life" of 20,000 uses while the 3m dual lock can only get around 150 uses before it becomes weak. That's something to consider if you plan to fasten and unfasten your stuff often.

@0xsergy

4 жыл бұрын

usually dual lock I stick on to leave for a long period of time. but yeah, that's fair enough it is stiff plastic so its not gonna last.

@NewMusicWeekly

3 жыл бұрын

That's true for this low-profile Dual Lock. But the normal Dual Lock has a 1000-cycle lifetime.

@williecunningham3725

Жыл бұрын

@@0xsergy I would like to put a power strip on the back of my rolling kitchen Island? Will it be best or Will velcro brand 10 pound heavy duty work better for constant plugging and disconnecting cords & cables and etc to the outlets???

@0xsergy

Жыл бұрын

@@williecunningham3725 power strip fell off the underside of my cabinet after like 10 months of hanging there. i only used a couple tiny, tiny squares. like 0.5cmx1cm for a big power strip. use a bit more tape than that and it will last. imho this stuff holds way better than velco, velcro will be wobbly and might not hold when unplugging. I use dual lock to hold my motorcycle license plate on. 30,000 kms and 2 years in the sun and it's still on there. 4 squares in each corner of the plate, nothing crazy.

@williecunningham3725

Жыл бұрын

@@0xsergy I have some #8 1inch multi surface screws and I spotted a small sized power strip with 3 electric outlets, 2 usb ports, and a c type port, so I will secure it with tiny screws instead of velcro to make sure it stays!!!!!

Been there, tried that went back to Velcro. Used the dual lock in a high vibration environment and it left me with shit flying everywhere, whereas as Velcro always got loose too but not as quickly nor as abruptly as dual lock, I always have ample time to notice my Velcro retained items getting loose before they go flying off into Oblivion like dual lock did to me..... I'm sure in a steady, vibration free environment where you're not releasing the item to be retained many many multiple times, dual lock is great but as far as I'm concerned Velcro is still the king for my HD applications. Lastly even though I disagree with you, thanks for taking the time to post a video of your findings and opinions. Always great to see someone take the time to post an informative video on here. :)

i'll stick with velcro. budum-pish

@Gabz532

3 жыл бұрын

Say "I'll stick to velcro. Budum bitch"

I use this on my some of my builds and it works great, 2500mah 3s mounted underneath 2 small sections about 1x2 no other straps. Holds up to some pretty good impacts.

"You can see its very secure" **a few moments later** "I can pop it off reasonably easily" Buh?! No sale.

I picked up some of those lipo condoms which I've been using on my 4" quads instead of Velcro. They've actually worked very well to keep the battery from sliding under the strap and I like how easily the battery falls out once you loosen the strap. This stuff looks good though, I'll have to get some. Thanks for the info.

Is the Velcro glue strong, does it stick firmly to the wallpaper?

I always end up with the glue sticky side letting go when trying to detach something.

My local dollar store started selling this 3m dual lock velcro. It's beige color but it's 1/2 the price of the hardware stores so whatever :) What I found was trying to slide the battery back and forth is pretty much impossible. Pulling straight up it releases much easier than the industrial velcro. I use a battery strap to hold the battery down so I find this 3m dual lock stuff better than the hook and loop type velcro because the hook & loop eventually wears out.

hi Josh. I've been using this for a while now on my quads in exactly the way you describe. what I have found thou is that sometimes in the crashes those mushrooms get sheered off and you have to replace the sticker. other than that no complaints

I saw some type that didn't have anything visible and you couldn't feel what was making it work. I thought about nano stuff that are used here and there. I was fascinated by this since it was very strong and was just one part from what I remembered. For different reasons I could not find what the brand or so was and no one to ask. What was that? Someone that knows?

What is the thickness of those connected to each other? is it 1.7mm like on their website or is it just the thickness of one side?

Would this be suitable for stopping furniture cushions from moving around when you sit on them?

Which type to use to keep a big cell phone from falling when hitting bumps in a car ??

Grown up Stickle Bricks! Used this all the time in motorsport, it's great stuff.

I want to stick a mini car clock on the wooden dash. It will need to remove yearly to change the coin battery. Will the 3m work better or the Velcro brand hook and loop fastener? Will temperature affect the stickiness on both the back tape and the hook and loop?

Will this new stuff stick to drywall? And how long? I have an LED light pad I want to install that has some magnetic bond, but think it might give away and may need a second bond.

Thanks for the great video! I want to attach my carorganizer Basket to the felt floor of my trunk. I want to try out velcro for this. Do you have an idea?

Hey I like alle your videos! I learn. New things every time I watch you! I have 2 questions. How does dual lock compare to a Silicon anti slip piece? And from all your battery testing what are your top5 lipos?

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

I think the dual lock will hold better, but it does require sticking stuff to your batteries. Right now, the batteries I am most interested in are the Infinity graphenes from Banggood. The Indestructible Quads Black Label is a solid standard LiPo, although I think it is completely sold out right now.

It has amazing direct strength, but comes off as soon as you roll the item away. Awesome for holding a multi extension cable to the wall for chargers, strong enough to pull plugs out without any detachment

Is it moisture resistant? I need something to put my window shades up in my van. Would this work?

I use this for my plane batteries... just dual lock along the length of the lipo, no velcro or strap around the battery is required. In fact, the adhesion is so strong that i can lift the entire plane (1.2-1.5kg) by just holding the battery! I usually get this from HobbyKing

always wondered what velcro this was, thanks!

would this be a good option to hang foam boards?

Can the 3M dual lock stick on cotton fabric?

Hi yes, can this Dual Lock stuff hold up something that's about 50 lbs? If not, is there a product u can reccomend similar to this or is there a Dual Lock that's even stronger?

I love this stuff. Use it on all my batteries and add it to me GoPro mounts. It is much easier to work with and and has a nice snap to it as you show here. Fun stuff!

@itechhen

3 жыл бұрын

Why the heck does everyone keep bringing up batteries with dual lock, don't you people put your batteries in any actual devices?

I can attest that the high profile is crazy strong when trying to pull directly appart. I have seen two people tear finger nails loose trying to get this stuff loose at work.

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

When I originally put it on the USB hubs, I put a full strip on, and found I had to press too hard to get it to engage. I was worried about damaging my screen.

@NewMusicWeekly

3 жыл бұрын

Besides being weaker, the other downside of the low-profile version featured here is a 150-cycle lifetime rather than a 1000-cycle lifetime, meaning that it loses strength through damage much more quickly if it's regularly re-connnected.

I want to Velcro a 40 inch tv to a padding but Judy not sure . I can’t do regular mounting .

How does it work with fabric? I'd like something other than Velcro to put up curtains in my van

I don't use velcros bellow my batteries anymore. Just stick a soft rubber piece of something on your top plate, use 2 velcro ruberized straps as usually to hold the battery and it will not slip out anymore. I've been using the ping pong racket rubber. Very soft and sticky.

Will this or velcro attach to leather purse?

Will it stick to a settee cushion?

hi mate . on micro copters when using just velcro , batteries move a little sideways , wobble... creating extra momentum . big difference in controlling with velcro or mini strap. this product can help. thanks a lot.

Dual Lock has many type. Don't buy the 400 type.... the "mushrooms" are very tiny and easily pull off if we pull it frequently. As we use it to secure battery we fall in that category. I use the 250 type, which works like a charm.

@alperuzi

7 жыл бұрын

We make fixed wing UAVs and we use the 250 version on all our planes. Beware of transmitters that heat up though. The double sided tape does go loose with heat.

@TerminatorDuo

6 жыл бұрын

I discovered these sticky pads do a pretty good for my battery's kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWZhsqyoXbbOiNY.html

@DermitHypnosetantzt

4 жыл бұрын

The comparison is not fair. He has to compare the 3M product with Velcro Alfa-lok, then Velcro is much better. Velcro has so much experience that they simply offer the best products

@NewMusicWeekly

3 жыл бұрын

3M doesn't recommend that the 400 be mated to itself. Rather, the strongest combination is 400 with 250: multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/998834O/3m-automotive-dual-lock-rolls-datasheet-english-germany.pdf#page=4

@JM.COSMIC

2 жыл бұрын

I just bought 3M sj3551 wich is 400 Didn't notice :((

Nice! Good info, thanks. Going to try this.

Is that a real clicking sound when it locks together??

I use dual lock to hold my open log sd card device. It lets me bury it inside my copter where it is safe, but also unstick it so I can easily insert and eject the SD card.

How much of the high grip stuff to hold 25 pounds? Thanks

JOSH, I am 47 and have been doing bodywork my whole life as my trade and the 3m doublesided tape is great there was another brand of tape that has a superglue type of adhesive in the tape its used to restick molding on cars the only thing is once you stick it on and press it is on there!! it would tear fresh paint of a car if you tried to remove it! thank you for all your help answering my questions about multis and all of your great videos!!

@eliasrenner555

7 жыл бұрын

How is this super double sided tape called? I have a few different double sided 3M tapes but I'd love to have something that's really strong.

This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Jesus. Thank you so much.

@mozby76

5 жыл бұрын

Jesus: “you’re welcome, my child”

is the dual lock better for hats?

what's the weight rating ?

Was using this stuff back in summer 2015 for my batteries!

I think there is VELCRO & velcro lol I have always bought the one produced by Velcro Europe SA and i had never been disppointed! With a good battery strap, that LIPO won't go (almost) anywhere! But i will be happy occasionally to give 3M Dual Lock fastener a try :) Thanks for sharing and have a great week

Is it easy to remove the adhesive that holds the velcro the the object, after you no longer need the velcro at some point in the future?

@JoshuaBardwell

5 жыл бұрын

Not particularly. But it does come off.

Memories of dismantling a Lotus Europa dashboard held together (ex factory) with this stuff. It's been around a very long time.

Can You attatch it to faux leather?

is this not for fabric or lealther?

We hang all our pictures with this stuff!! Landlords love it. No nail holes in the walls lol.

@DJURBANBG

4 жыл бұрын

Is the Velcro glue strong, does it stick firmly to the wallpaper?

by chance could you tell me the specific type of velcro that is? like who its made by and what its called.

@Kimberlite66

3 жыл бұрын

BarbequeJo the packet is right there in the background the whole time this dude is talking. That is the product. Open your eyes

Great stuff for holding on batteries, so good in fact I ripped a top plate off my quad when the battery strap broke :p

Looks like something that needs to be tried, that's what we all do in the quad racing/flying world try and see what works best for us

I am Peter Woo and I have learned something today. (Although I knew it already 😂)

@DragonDevil100

2 жыл бұрын

Shoulda said im peter woo and i learnt something new

yeah i have been using it too for 3 years awesome stuff it doesnt wobbles either and doesn't have teo surface types like velcro.

I had this kind of fixing on a controller of my motorcycle to control the lubricant of my chain. As it was new, it worked great. After a half year (and approx 10 uses) it holds my controller anymore. I would be careful using it. When the mushroom-heads getting bend, it's not strong enough any more. Be careful ;)

@JoshuaBardwell

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it has to be replaced every now and then.

Looks real good to me I will give it a try

Hah! Yeah this is good stuff. I remember buying a bunch of this after finding out what they use for the EZ Pass up here in NY. This is the same stuff they use in the kit to attach your pass to your windshield.

@sprusedgoose162

4 жыл бұрын

Same here!

The best part to waking up, is Joshua Bardwell in your ears!

That's amazing that it makes an an audible click

I was interested to learn velcro alternatives. I wouldn't say velcro sucks. For your application I agree that dual lock work can work better vs velcro. However many applications that dual lock system simply just not a viable option.

can you use it underwater

I suppose it all has its applications, for example I can use velcro to attach lights onto the inside of a gun safe or like how some come with pouches, holsters etc. Attached onto the inside of the safe door and is kind of almost the only option, unless there are metal areas where a magnet will work. Otherwise I'd say that this stuff sounds like it out does velcro if you're looking for a pretty permanent or longer term application. Plenty of other uses I can think of, definitely one of things that's good to keep around or to keep a roll in the drawer..

@newfie-dean5803

2 ай бұрын

This stuff is so much better than Velcro or double sided tape for long term mounting. Anyone who says differently has never tried this. I was very impressed by it. I had an engine bay hood liner that was not securely attached in all places. I tried Velcro and the double sided tape from 3M to secure it and neither lasted. I tried this stuff 2 years ago and it secured it perfectly in place and you cannot even tell it’s there.

also try power grip pedal board tape... same concept, stronger hold.

@7.62eclipse8

4 жыл бұрын

I use that on all my pedal board and also to mount my racepac inmy turbo car

above the barcode, what does it mean: "closure life 100" ??

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

+arfyness after 100 closures, the grip strength will be reduced to a point that 3M no longer considers it serviceable.

@gabrieljordan9977

4 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell And you consider this better than velcro???

They're just two different things. The dual lock requires more force to engage. The hook loop, on the other hand, is weaker, but gets caught faster, and may suffice or even be preferred on lighter objects. Dual lock is not the be-all-end-all of fastening systems as some people seem to preach.

@thysonsacclaim

2 жыл бұрын

Blah blah

I even used Dual Lock to attach a Gimbal, plenty strong enough. And if you do crash, it just separates. Never used it for batteries though. I will definitely try it.

Could you try using this to mount your motors to the copter instead of screws? My thought is this might save a prop or arm in a crash, especially on a twig/thin frame.

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

+Adam Sparrow you are severely underestimating how much force the motors make.

@Woodsywoodsy-sj9qy

7 жыл бұрын

Adam Sparrow Hahaha hahaha ha. No don't be silly. But you cud try.

I'm restoring an old corvette that has a lot of broken fastener holes. I'll just velcro the door panels on! lol

Be it strong enough to hold a small-mid size power bar?

@JoshuaBardwell

2 жыл бұрын

Depends how much of it you use.

lost a gps transmitter on dual lock :(

Is "Dual Lock" a special patented fastener that would require special permission to use in a new product? Is "Dual Lock" a generic name like "hook and loop"? And do you know if I can buy it in bulk from China?

Thumbs up for a good presentation, but Velcro looks like it'll be stronger, and will attach easier. Good to know this exists though.

dual lock sometimes get mini broken.. with the time, it's not really perfect

This is first time that you say"im joshua bardwell and you gonna learn something today" :)))

I use this for hanging picture frames to the wall. I havent used it on my drones yet becuase i use a silicone sheet and lipo strap and hardly have lipos eject

@DJURBANBG

4 жыл бұрын

Is the Velcro glue strong, does it stick firmly to the wallpaper?

@brendan6093

4 жыл бұрын

@@DJURBANBG i think the sticky backing is fairly strong i only had 2 x pieces cut at about 40mm by maybe the width of the strip roughly 25mm one top and bottom I think they may pull paint off walls if not removed carefully. My picture frames were not huge though maybe A4 paper sized

@DJURBANBG

4 жыл бұрын

@@brendan6093 so its strong enought , i want to use it to attach acoustic foam to the wallpaper , i`ll give it a try

@brendan6093

4 жыл бұрын

@@DJURBANBG i would give it a go man but maybe test a panel first. If you plan on living there you could use a concealed screwing option im sure good luck with it

My main issue with velcro is I use more of the prickly side than the soft. I have miles and miles of the soft side, but not nearly enough of the prickly. The dual lock eliminates that problem.

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

+Kel Varndsen very good point! Helps make up some of the cost difference.

Hi Josh, Personally, I use a wide rubber band on each battery, so when it gets strapped down (preferably with a rubbery strap) the battery does not slide around at all. Cheap, quick, easy... By the way, the vlog was good, hopefully that petty stuff is put to rest. My opinion? Hey, at least you're wearing something!:) Later...keep the good stuff coming:)

The adhesive comes loose before the Velcro.

Dual Lock on all my batteries and one long strip on top of quad + a battery strap If it is going to sit flat, this stuff is the best!

I use Velcro, well kind of, i just use hooks only, almost the same as what you are doing here

It should have a weight rating on the roll or packaging.

I always love videos/articles where people tell you not to buy something but 'buy this instead'....and the price tag is always 4-5 even 10 times of what they tell you 'not' to buy...

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

God forbid a superior product should also cost more.

@stephenh7336

7 жыл бұрын

God forbid you mention the hefty price in your advertisement

@ryanmalvey429

6 жыл бұрын

Only $10, not too much. www.banggood.com/RJX-Dual-Lock-Double-Sided-Attachment-Tape-Reclosable-Fastener-1000x25mm-Strip-p-1225071.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN

@marybird2010

6 жыл бұрын

superior only for what you're using it for! I've been looking for an alternative for cosplay armor attachment (I need something high strength and sewable) and this wouldn't be nearly as nice as using velcro since it comes apart so easily. I'd rather have a little give when I move and have it stay on my body than no give but it can pop off if I catch on something.

@GlennMarshallRocks

5 жыл бұрын

Hell, stop whining, will ya... you can find this stuff for around $4 - 5 all day long on eBay...

I had a feeling you were a Thinkpad guy!

I've tried a similar product. The only problem is this stuff holds too well. it will rip the heat shrink off batteries. You have to pry at corner and pry from there. For that reason i use velcro when it comes to securing batteries. Plus velcro is much cheaper.

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

Just use less of it.

My only argument for velcro would be that unlike dual-lok, velcro gives good vibration dampening.

I had a hood liner on my car that was not firmly attached in all places. I tried 3M double sided tape on it. It never lasted. I tried 3M Velcro. It never lasted. I tried this stuff 2 years ago and it secured it perfectly in place and it has not budged since and you cannot even tell there’s anything there. I have nothing but good things to say about this product.

Preach!

I have absolutely nothing to do with radio controlled anything I only stumbled upon this because my stupid mat I connect to my step with velcro keeps coming off! I think this might be my answer I'll probably go to the standard.. who knew a 4-year-old video would help me.. 👍 TY

Don't feel too secure about dual lock, it doesn't hold a receiver module

i use SJ3550 - it a total crap, the adhesive layer sticks to heat-shrink tube of a battery very bad

Dual Lock is way more expensive though(in Europe).

I suggest you use magnets instead or rails made of PVC

Hahaha. been doing this in combination with the battery strap to stop the battery popping out. Been trying to push it to my flybros but they won't have it. Their loss I say.

3M dual lock and the velcro heavy duty fastener have completely different attributes from one another.

@JoshuaBardwell

5 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. If they were the same then how could dual lock be superior?

I'm sticking velcros not a chance of using that stuff

This stuff is great but you have to stick it on all your lipos, if your having problems with your lipos slipping out from under the battery strap you could try some thin rubber sheeting, you can buy it in multiple thicknesses, I use 2mm sheet with little dimple pattern its super grippy! I cut a square and use double sided tape and stick it on my frame where the battery will contact and saves me having to put velcro/3m fastner on all my lipos. i.imgur.com/hfBzggD.jpg

Velcro has suffered the same fate as elastic (rubber) bands. The quality has dropped in proportion to the amount of cheap products available. Now you can get these things in the $ store it is hard to justify producing high quality products. The high quality stuff is out there but costs much more money. When I was installing cable in a data center a bag of 100 straps cost about $35 and had to meet very strict code, mostly about fire resistance, but they were also superior to the standard velcro you can find at consumer level.

@JoshuaBardwell

7 жыл бұрын

For wrap straps, I think Velcro is fantastic. I've never really liked it for securing things to other things, but maybe I've just been using cheap Velcro.

@gboulter

7 жыл бұрын

Dual lock great on small things with large strips you can't get the whole length to reengage I used to attach VCRs to racing cars the best is 100mm wide High temp adhesive genuine Velcro. Try Dual Lock with Velcro loop massively strong but pretty permanent loops dont cope with parting from it

@tomc1380

7 жыл бұрын

The blue velcro from HK is the best/strongest I have ever used and seems to last forever; hobbyking.com/en_us/polyester-velcro-peel-n-stick-self-adhesive-v-strong-1mtr.html

Velcro makes Alpha lock now