336: Pressure vs Powder - Which Is More Important To Accuracy?

Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode I try to unravel the mystery that is "pressure vs powder" when it comes to hunting cartridges. Which is more important to accuracy? We'll find out on this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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  • @sheethneaffer8614
    @sheethneaffer86146 ай бұрын

    My wife has a 7mm-08 that would stack two shot and then throw the third one low and left. No matter what load we bought it would always throw that third. I reloaded some cartridges for it and a coworker told me to play around with the seating depth. I figured out how to measure where the lands were and I moved the bullet 0.015 from the lands and that brought it from a 1" group with one thrown to a 1/4" group all stacked. Great gun! If you're a reloader maybe play with seating depth.

  • @martinfernandez5005
    @martinfernandez50056 ай бұрын

    I certainly enjoyed watching Ron's shooting/ safety techniques for his new .308 rifle and ammunition recently. Those of us who don't go to the range as much should take note from his experience and expertise. Safe fire arm handling, holding for accuracy even tho it wasn't talked about much will remain with me.

  • @JWZelch
    @JWZelch6 ай бұрын

    My dads model 700 ADL began to fire when the safety was disengaged. I was kind of young when this happened, but I remember it fired more than once when dad flicked off the safety. He had a gunsmith address it and it hasn’t done it since then.

  • @barbarapiercy4312
    @barbarapiercy43126 ай бұрын

    Love your channels!! How on Earth did you manage to make that opening statement with a straight face 😂 😂😂😂😂! You deserve an Emmy Award for that performance.

  • @gordyowens9570
    @gordyowens95706 ай бұрын

    I'm sure your not that old Ron I'm in my 50s and I LOVE Iron sights

  • @chadmorrison5094
    @chadmorrison50946 ай бұрын

    Hey Ron. Love your channel. I am 47 and been hunting the Appalachian mountains since I was 13. I was thinking about shooters today vs 25 or so years ago. Not having range finders and such we relied on our abilities based upon practice judging yardage and shooting our rifle of choice plenty enough to know our rifles. How they would perform at various ranges and such. Most hunters that grew up hunting with would zero at 100 yards or 150 yards and then factor what they knew the bullet would drop at different yards based on what we knew the average mature whitetail deer vitals are.. Sounds fairly similar to how you set up your rifles. My real point is, I wander how many hunters take the time today to really hone their skill. Not just practice shooting but also learning how to judge yardage. One way we practiced is to coyote or ground hog hunt with our deer hunting rifles in late summer early fall. Also, I appreciate how much you love and admire the beautiful world we live in. I do as well. But as a Christian and preacher I wander if you know the creator as well as his creation? Anyways, I really enjoy your work, so keep it up! Chad

  • @kioshiro482

    @kioshiro482

    6 ай бұрын

    Its cheaper to use a rangefinder to practice judging distances. No need to carry a rifle or fire a $10 per round ammo just to verify if you judged correctly. Think of a rangefinder like a measuring tape, sure you can build a house without it using itsy bitsy spider finger measurement, but why?

  • @chrisbird9234
    @chrisbird92342 ай бұрын

    Hi there Mr. Spomer, Christian From Ontario Can. I think all your podcast's with in depth info is AWSOME. I've been a farm boy in younger years and had, a red ryder bb gun at 8yrs. old, Bought a Chec made 177 pellet gun model 620 at 10yrs. old to shoot ground squirrels and magpies when I lived in Alberta, Can. and got paid 10 cents for a pair of magpie feet and 10 cents for a ground squirrel tail. In 1 summer I had saved up all my money and had $28.50 to go buy a new 22 rim fire single shot pull bolt with a rabbit on the stock. I can't remember the model , but I really took care of at much longer ranges critters. I am 65 yrs. old now and I can't get enough Hunting in every year. I have a Parker Hale In 6MM Rem. K98 Bolt, and have owned this Beautiful , Weatherby looking , since 1980 and have taken many Whitetails, coy-dogs and ground hogs etc. I will never get rid of this Parker Hale and love it. I have a Tikka T3X in 338 Win.Mag. SS 24''' Laminate That I use for BEAR Hunting , Spring & Fall, and really like the Vortec 4 X 12 X 50mm. I very much love all you do so KEEP UP the Great Job of the Latest and Greatest. Take Care Cause We Care, And Say HELLO to BETSY for us.

  • @RonSpomerOutdoors

    @RonSpomerOutdoors

    2 ай бұрын

    Good to hear from you. Betsy says HI back. My brother had one of those Parker Hales in 270 Win. in the mid-1970s. Wonder if he still does? Be well, and thanks!

  • @mattevans-koch9353
    @mattevans-koch93536 ай бұрын

    Great Episode Ron. Thank you for sharing both the questions from viewers and your knowledge. Have a great week ahead, sir.

  • @eddybear771
    @eddybear7712 ай бұрын

    Hey Ron, Full length bedding of that man's WSSM, not only may stabilize the barrel, but may also act as a heat sink to cool the barrel faster.

  • @lukemagro6060
    @lukemagro60606 ай бұрын

    The 243 comment sounds like a case of "do you think if we keep a straight face we can convince this poor fella?"😂😂😂

  • @vincentrhea8723
    @vincentrhea87236 ай бұрын

    Tell Zach to tell his friends to change the oil in his turn signals.

  • @NoWr2Run

    @NoWr2Run

    6 ай бұрын

    I told a young C0-Worker this year if he changed his tires over from Summer to Winter Air. He's one who just puts gas in his car & checks NOTHING ELSE, KID'S.

  • @dr.froghopper6711

    @dr.froghopper6711

    6 ай бұрын

    @@NoWr2Runbe sure to tell him to carry a can of relative bearing grease, in case he gets lost.

  • @user-wy4dg9ty5o
    @user-wy4dg9ty5o6 ай бұрын

    As far as two shots grouping and one flying off to who knows where is concerned, you might want to check the crown. I had a rifle doing the same thing and discovered that the crown was to blame. Once it was re-crowned correctly, the rifle grouped as expected for me.

  • @paulmartin6895
    @paulmartin68956 ай бұрын

    Ron the thing about the 700 is the lube that was used in the factory would gum up . That is what the problem is , I had my gunsmith take care of the 700 22-250 I have and that is what he found. After he clean the trigger assembly and lube it the way it needed to . It took care of the problem . Do not need to replace the trigger .

  • @clintwaugh5323
    @clintwaugh53236 ай бұрын

    I'll second the 930! I've had one for 6 or 7 years. It shoots everything from light dove and target loads to heavy turkey loads without having to change anything on the gun. It has never failed me! And at 1/3 the cost of a Beretta or Bennelli.

  • @mqeqeshe1
    @mqeqeshe16 ай бұрын

    Peak pressure isn't the determining factor in muzzle velocity. It's the average pressure within the barrel that determines how much energy is transferred to the bullet. SAAMI specs only tell you the maximum peak pressure a manufacturer can allow in their product. When you shoot a rifle there is a "pressure curve" generated by the burning powder. Pressure is very high at first, then starts going down as the bullet travels along. That peak pressure occurs right around the time your bullet is being swaged down to fit the rifling. It remains fairly high for the first few inches. Cartridges with more powder capacity will sustain that high pressure for a longer duration so the average pressure will be higher even though peak pressure may be similar. Powder burn rate, bullet weight, caliber, and barrel length all affect this pressure curve. Double base powders essentially have 2 pressure curves that overlap so the average pressure may be higher without increasing peak pressure. So to boil all that down, a larger case capacity with higher average pressure will trump a cartridge that merely has a higher peak. Much like a cyclist needs the highest average speed to win a race instead of the highest maximum speed.

  • @NoWr2Run

    @NoWr2Run

    6 ай бұрын

    100% Now I don'y have to reply.

  • @jounlow

    @jounlow

    29 күн бұрын

    if only you were a girl with a lab[and chem manufacture contacts] who happens to be an introvert.

  • @jeffryburns2206
    @jeffryburns22066 ай бұрын

    I have a model 70 featherweight in .257 Roberts, ive noticed as the barrel heats up after about 5 shots my groups open up a bit, but still shooting 1 and a half moa after a full box

  • @jcows12

    @jcows12

    6 ай бұрын

    I have a 7mm rem mag model 70 with 26" barrel, it shoots 1moa or better but I've never shot it very much in one sitting maybe 5 shots I don't recall it opening up much?. Really good guns, smoothest bolt I've ever operated, and I own a beulher custom 2506. I put a boyds stock on it to free-float it. Probably less than 100 rounds in 20+ years. I'd hold on to that gun if I were you 👍

  • @davidzakrzewicz707

    @davidzakrzewicz707

    6 ай бұрын

    I have the same gun and caliber and mine does the same. Still shoots minute of whitetail so I don’t worry about it. Great gun.

  • @sinisterthoughts2896
    @sinisterthoughts28966 ай бұрын

    I think Zacks older friends are trying to give their younger friend a hard time. Like sending him for a tub elbow grease or snipe hunting.

  • @NoWr2Run

    @NoWr2Run

    6 ай бұрын

    2x4 Stretcher, LOL.

  • @dr.froghopper6711

    @dr.froghopper6711

    6 ай бұрын

    Sky hook, relative bearing grease….

  • @Invictus2189
    @Invictus21896 ай бұрын

    Interesting bit about David's Steyr Zephyr II. I also got one recently in .22LR, and I think the trigger is terrible compared to my .223 Steyr Scout. Don't get me wrong, the Zephyr's fit and finish is stellar and the accuracy is great so I'm definitely curious to see Ron's take on it.

  • @jfess1911
    @jfess19116 ай бұрын

    Ron hit many of the important points on his answer about how the max pressure of a cartridge is chosen. There is also another strange reason for some of the variation that is related to the two systems used to measure chamber pressure (copper units of pressure vs transducer psi). For many cartridges, the max chamber pressure was chosen to be compatible with a particular rifle. The 30-30 was designed for the strength of the Winchester 1894 rifle. The 30-06 was designed for the 1903 Springfield rifle that was to shoot it. As Ron stated, by the time the 270 Win was developed, roughly 20 years later, Winchester decided that rifle actions had become strong enough to handle a bit more pressure. Remington, for some odd reason, tended to use slightly lower pressures than Winchester when they developed cartridges based on the same parent cases (280 Rem vs 270 Win, 7mm Rem Mag vs 300 Win Mag, 260 Rem vs 308 Win). These days, some cartridges are still designed around the strength of certain firearm actions whereas other firearms are optimized for a particular existing cartridge. For the majority of rifles, the weakest component is the bolt and the amount of back-thrust it can tolerate from a slippery (wet or oily) cartridge*. Once the 308 became popular, a number of rifles were developed specifically for it. Other, newer cartridges that used the same .473" rim diameter and 2.8" action length stuck to the same amount of bolt thrust to avoid problems. That is why over 50 years later, modern cartridges like the 6.5 Creedmoor stuck to the same 62,000 psi (transducer method) as the 308. Even the 284 Winchester, which has a larger diameter body, matched the bolt thrust of the 308 because it was designed to be used in the same rifle actions (Winchester Models 100 and 88). To do this, the max chamber pressure of the 284 was dropped 6,000 psi (transducer method) below the 308. Once the AR15, optimized for the 223 Rem/5.56x45 became popular, new cartridges designed for that rifle needed to keep the bolt thrust roughly the same. That is why the 6.5 Grendel, 6mm ARC, 6.8 SPC as well as the 350 and 400 Legend have max chamber pressures well under 60,000 psi (transducer method). Now for the confusing part. SAAMI still lists two different chamber pressures for older cartridges that are obtained by different methods (copper crusher system vs pressure transducer system). The chamber pressure numbers from the two systems do not agree. Worse yet, there is no simple conversion factor because the difference between the two varies cartridge by cartridge. For example, using the old mechanical copper crusher system, the max chamber pressure for the 223 Rem, 243 Win, 308 Win, and 270 Win all are the same at 52,000 CUP (copper units of pressure) . Using the newer pressure transducer method, the numbers for each cartridge are different: 55,000, 60,000, 62,000, and 65,000 psi respectively. *The thrust against the bolt is related to the max chamber pressure and the max diameter of the case's interior. Even though a dry brass cartridge in a clean, dry chamber reduces back thrust against the bolt, many rifles are proof tested with an over-pressure cartridge coated in oil as a worst-case scenario. 280 Rem

  • @johncoulter1223
    @johncoulter12236 ай бұрын

    Hay Ron I love your channel of I have a rifle with iron sights I will put a see throw scope mounts on the rifle

  • @mrV69
    @mrV696 ай бұрын

    I remember that 700 the military had videos sent to News that the guns were going off just by closing the bolt. my dad witnessed his friend back in the day. He closed the bolt and the gun went off and he was like I didn’t touch the trigger and it was on safety.

  • @jefferywilliams7687
    @jefferywilliams76876 ай бұрын

    Pressure limits have to do with all the various actions and brass. In addition it has to do with the evolution of various powders and primes along with bullet length of contacts with the lands. Different chambers and especially throat length changes working pressures. Great example, 300 Wby Mag in a Mark V has considerable freebore. Weatherby Factory Ammo was loaded by Norma. The brass holds more volume and is not as thick. This allows more powder. Also, MRP has a high relative velocity to low relative pressure. Velocity will be 3,250 with a 180. On the other hand, take a 300 Wby Mag in a rifle without the freebore in the throat, load Remington Brass which is thicker, loaded with 4831 and velocity will be around 3,100 to 3,150 before max pressure is reached. In closing, all chambers and throats are different. The difference in brass, priming, propellant, and bullet choice all impact pressure. Therefore, you always start with the recommended starting loads and work up until you see pressure signs then back off a little. Since the trend of high BC bullets is the rage, they are longer and can have more surface contact with the lands and groves. Which results in increased pressures. This is why the rings are being cut into bullets like the Barnes TTSX, Federal Terminal Ascent, Hammer, etc. It is an interesting science. I have worked for Bill Wiseman for decades and we make Pressure Barrels, Velocity Barrels, Accuracy Barrels and Universal Receivers for all type of companies. I tried to make this simple as I could by giving one example.

  • @jasonneugebauer5310
    @jasonneugebauer53106 ай бұрын

    A posible improvement for the light barrel is to have it cooled in liquid nitrogen. This will help normalize the crystalline structure of the metal and relieve stress which should improve accuracy when the barrel warms. This will not always fix non uniform stress in the metal causing non uniform expansion but it should definitely help significantly.

  • @anthonymeyer183
    @anthonymeyer1836 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the content

  • @jameswhitaker1324
    @jameswhitaker13246 ай бұрын

    20:42 steel cases do obturate the gases, look at the 7.62x39 or the steel case 5.56. They are a lot more of a pain to reload and probably don’t cycle as reliable the straighter the case wall. I suspect this is the reason for the hybrid case on the .277 sig fury. I expect there are more complicated reasons for the hybrid case design, though.

  • @TK33173
    @TK331736 ай бұрын

    Hello Ron, been watching you since the early 90’s on TNN. Yeah showing our age lol. Any way you said something about doing a scope review with Chase. I would like to see a review on the budget minded scopes. Most of the ones like was reviewed on 308 week was more of the higher end especially for someone who love to hunt but can’t afford the $1000+ scopes. Thank you for the content.

  • @EDCandLace

    @EDCandLace

    6 ай бұрын

    Good ol "The Nashville network "

  • @Plumcraziness

    @Plumcraziness

    6 ай бұрын

    MAN, I miss TNN. Those were the good days with all of those great fishing and hunting shows. Saturday mornings haven't been the same ever since it changed to "Spike". Ugh. 🙄 As far as budget scopes, I'd love to see a Bushnell Banner 2 as a part of that roundup. It's a fantastic scope with quality optics and construction that belies its paltry $90-$100 asking price.

  • @TK33173

    @TK33173

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Plumcraziness I’ve bought 2 of the Arken Optics SH series scopes for under $500 each and don’t have any complaints about them. Well, if there had to be one it’s they are a bit bulky for hunting but that don’t stop me taking them lol. But I agree, that one could be a budget minded scope.

  • @jfess1911
    @jfess19116 ай бұрын

    The comment about issues with MPBR just includes the accuracy component of the rifle. The (incorrect) assumption is that the vital area of the animal is exactly the same as the "target diameter" used in the calculations. If this were the case, even a tiny amount of bullet dispersion could cause a miss of the vitals. Ron Addresses this in his article about MPBR. To compensate for bullet dispersion and aiming errors, he suggests that the "target diameter" used to determine MPBR be reduced to well below that of the vital zone of the animal being hunted. With a 2 MOA rifle that is likely to miss the target by 1" at 100 yards, 3" at 300 yards, etc* you just make certain that the target diameter used in the calculations is small enough to account for the maximum bullet dispersion. * This assumes that the rifle is zeroed in the center of the 2 moa group, so the bullet should go only half that distance away from the point of aim (1" up or down at 100 yards, etc).

  • @archeryhunter86-

    @archeryhunter86-

    6 ай бұрын

    The last sentence is what threw me off before. I was thinking about MPBR at 300 yds plus 3 inch group if your rifle shots 1 MOA. Eventually realized what you just said, it should really be off by half that so 1.5". I would think you would also tend to use a little bit of"Kentucky windage" when you think (or confirm) something is at 300 yds. Know that you are ok for MPBR but go ahead and hold a couple inches high as well.

  • @jfess1911

    @jfess1911

    6 ай бұрын

    @@archeryhunter86- Yes I probably could have written that more clearly. I have tried to fix it, but it is still confusing. If you read Ron's article, it starts with "Let’s say we’re setting up for an average-sized whitetail with a 14-inch vital zone". He suggested that you drop down to 10" or even 8" diameter for your calculations to account for wind, nerves, bullet dispersion, etc. I am not a deer hunter, so I take Ron's word for the actual size of the vital zone. Like you, the perfectionist streak in me would make it difficult to avoid trying to compensate a little for distance rather than just holding center.

  • @Jet2416-Reloading
    @Jet2416-Reloading5 ай бұрын

    Ron, putting my 2¢ worth in on the question of "what is a good 12 ga autoloading shotgun for multipurpose use", one my absolute favorites is the Remington 1100. In my experience with several of them in different gauges, they are very versatile and durable. I've also had excellent service from my 1180 Premier which is basically an upgraded and classier version of the 1100 but I don't know if the 1180 is still made. In any case the Remington 1100 is a hunting shotgun that will last a very long time with decent care and maintenance and won't break the bank.

  • @davewinter2688

    @davewinter2688

    5 ай бұрын

    1100 definitely one of the most reliable ever made. You just have to keep them clean and make sure gas ports aren’t being plugged up. Also always have some of the rubber O rings with you at all times. They do deteriorate over time and your shooting will be over for the day if they reach their limit when you are in the field. I assume you meant a model 11-87 instead of 1180. 11-87 definitely an improved 1100. Supposed to have even less recoil. I got one to use for waterfowl because it has interchangeable chokes and can shoot 3 inch magnum steel shot. That was a few years ago and haven’t even got to try it out yet. Some of the later 1100’s had interchangeable chokes which make them just as versatile as the 11-87. Remington always said do not shoot steel shot in any of their fixed choke barrels with chokes any tighter than modified and no shot larger than #2.

  • @Jet2416-Reloading

    @Jet2416-Reloading

    5 ай бұрын

    @@davewinter2688 Thanks, you're right. The newer model Remington 12ga is 11-87, not 1180. Good catch. 👍 In the past I had a collection of Remington shotguns, mostly 12ga and several were pawn shop finds. I have always heard about gas ring failures of the 1100's but honestly, I never had any fail except the one time when I put them in backwards after complete disassembly and cleaning. The O'ring is another story. I've had them burn through in the middle skeet matches and that is annoying! My local gun range used to sell a better, heat resistant O'ring that virtually eliminated that problem.

  • @michaelwilson9986
    @michaelwilson99866 ай бұрын

    See Through Your Choice.. There too high for proper quick alignment ..many times high n super high rings do the same. I heard it bunch couldn't find it in scope but could open sights.Duh the scope too high.. Here's an option that from the Day..Weaver Swing Overs. They allow lower mounting n the ability to swing scope over if do need irons. Still available on ebay etc. I recently picked some bases for a couple just in case wish to go back that . Then there's always detachables

  • @charlesschenck911
    @charlesschenck9116 ай бұрын

    By my calculations and graphing, MPBR is best for short range rifle work. As you move your zero out to different ranges, your "field of range" of MPBR gets shorter y shorter.

  • @CalebDeBoer
    @CalebDeBoer6 ай бұрын

    I think when it comes to rifle steels and actions they can probably(at least in modern rifles) handle far higher pressures than the cartridges are listed at. My assumption is most of the maximum ratings are based around what the case and more importantly what the neck can handle, that said in relation to things like the 30-06 vs .270WIN you have roughly the same powder capacity but a smaller neck to send that explosion through. Same scenario with something like the .308 and 22-250, the pressure allowed must change due to the pressure coming through that neck changing.

  • @falconcowboy9995
    @falconcowboy99955 ай бұрын

    I just recently started using 30-06 in a browning bar safari.....ive had bad experiences with 30-06 and the BAR........this one seems like a keeper Am looking forward too 30-06 week😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

  • @RonSpomerOutdoors

    @RonSpomerOutdoors

    2 ай бұрын

    Hoping to finish it in April.

  • @jounlow

    @jounlow

    29 күн бұрын

    I think i got mine in like 6th grade maybe. It has never stopped scaring me when i pull the trigger. i'm 30 now. I assume you mean " BAR MK II Safari" correct? if so i'm jealous bc that semiauto has to take off A LOT of kick. But seeing the number of parts that puppy has I'm not so envious. [i looked at the owners manual]

  • @justinjoy6115
    @justinjoy61156 ай бұрын

    Change your scope before full length bedding.

  • @johncoulter1223
    @johncoulter12236 ай бұрын

    Hay Ron I have a question for you I do a lot of deer hunting down in the lower Michigan where no high power rifles are aloud so Hunt with shotguns and most of the time I use the Bird barrel and do good with it but I'm wondering should I look into a rifled barrel I would like to hear what you think I hope you had a wonderful thanksgiving

  • @walkercustoms
    @walkercustoms6 ай бұрын

    I used the over under mount rings a lot. I personally really like them but I like the scope higher to begin with. And they allowed me to use the scope as a carry handle, yes I've used a few scopes, couple cheap ones even as a carry handle. Never had a problem with doing that even. My point is they're great if you like or need your scope higher and have an added benefit.

  • @sinisterthoughts2896

    @sinisterthoughts2896

    6 ай бұрын

    Good for you, but the thought of using a scope as a carry handle put my hairs on end! Happy hunting.

  • @NoWr2Run

    @NoWr2Run

    6 ай бұрын

    @@sinisterthoughts2896 FOR SURE, It's not a M-16, LOL.

  • @johnnash5118
    @johnnash51186 ай бұрын

    Yeah, that's why the military no longer uses tracer rounds, wherever it hits, it welds the holes.

  • @gusloader123
    @gusloader1236 ай бұрын

    Ron Spomer: Hello! --- The problem with the Remington model 700 was not just the trigger, but the "Safety". When people moved the safety towards the "Fire" position, the rifle went "Bang". They filmed a U.S.M.C. Sniper unit that was training with those rifles. One of the Marines aimed the barrel downrange at the targets, then pushed the "Safety" to the "Fire" position, (his finger was NOT on the trigger), and it went "Bang". The N.C.O.I.C. looked at the camera operator and said: "We call that the "Remington Moment". 🤕 It was a very accurate rifle, no doubt, but the first court case had to do with a mother accidently killing her son as they were finishing a hunting trip and were unloading their rifles at their pick-up truck. The Dad talked to the Film crew, but the mother would not. Very sad. {I have owned 3 of them over the years but sold them all.} That safety, plus the trigger (iirc) was the main part of court cases. There was an elderly gent who worked at Remington years ago and he was interviewed on a TV documentary. He said that he warned the Remington bosses "back when" that it was a potential problem, but they never changed it.

  • @jcows12

    @jcows12

    6 ай бұрын

    I remember seeing a 60 minutes episode about that and remember it was like a 2 penny or 20 cent fix and Remington told their engineer or machinist they couldn't afford to recall the guns because it would cost millions. Not a high moment for Remington

  • @gusloader123

    @gusloader123

    6 ай бұрын

    @@jcows12 Correct.

  • @WayStedYou

    @WayStedYou

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@jcows12instead it cost them their entire company

  • @CharizardFan_og
    @CharizardFan_og4 ай бұрын

    I have a similar question as was address in this podcast about pressure. SO the question is: Is it the case or the chamber that is the limiting factor in max pressure allowances?

  • @RonSpomerOutdoors

    @RonSpomerOutdoors

    2 ай бұрын

    A bit of both, but mainly the chamber. The 7x57 Mauser, for instance, has max av. chamber pressure is 51,000 psi, yet the 6mm Rem., made by necking down 7x57 brass, is 65,000 psi. It's mainly the bottom of the case that must be thick and strong the hold the backthrust pressures. The side walls are thin and elastic enough to expand and seal the chamber. The chamber steel is what holds in the pressures.

  • @rsaboertjie2109
    @rsaboertjie21096 ай бұрын

    Hi Ron, South African here, I was wondering if you could help me decide between a 22-250 and a 243 and would love your personal opinion. I am mostly going to use the rifle for hunting Jackal and Springbuck and we would mostly be shooting at night for Jackal and going for headshots on Springbuck, I know you wouldn't approve but i believe in shot placement rather than caliber. Everyone is telling me to get the 243 but ever since I started looking for a hunting setup the 22-250 has been calling to me. I have a Lee Enfield for bigger game like Kudu and Gemsbuck but I'm a bit recoil sensitive therefore I'm still leaning more to the 22-250. Love your videos, haven't missed one episode since I discovered your channel and love learning about new and old cartridges.

  • @georgehager4248
    @georgehager42486 ай бұрын

    1” isn’t really a lot shorter assuming similar barrel lengths??

  • @keithmacris2182
    @keithmacris21826 ай бұрын

    I am enjoying being able to get knowledge of guns and ammo loads. I do have a good question for you I don't really expect that you personally answer my question but maybe there are some others who might make responses from this. I have always used fiberglass automotive kits in Walmart to make any extra bedding for a rifle. I use a lot of cloth to give it extra strength and better accuracy than wood and plastic. Now I have only done this with bolt action rifles. I don't know anything about epoxy so which is where my question arises. What is the best strategy of the two because I can make it very strong with the fiberglass cloth and control forward weight to make the rifle recoil more directly to the butt and lower the upward recoil. Can that be done with epoxy also

  • @NoWr2Run

    @NoWr2Run

    6 ай бұрын

    I use Devcon Plastic Steel ( NOT THE 5 MIN. STUFF ) for bedding Bolt Action Rifles in many Calibers, even the BIG BOYS. I've never had one come back but my Bench Rest buddy gives me crap about not using the EXPENSIVE ACRAGLAS that he uses, LOL. He even bought me a kit but it still sets in my safe since the 90's. I also use Johnson's Paste Wax for a release Agent, works GREAT. You can actually hear the difference afterwards when working the action. I've never messed with Fiberglass though, I fixed a McMillan stock with Fiberglass but that's about it. There's many How To vids. out there about doing this it's not funny, that would be your best bet. GOOD LUCK.

  • @mqeqeshe1
    @mqeqeshe16 ай бұрын

    The 243 sucks so much it actually pulls the blood from the bullet wound back into the animal.

  • @edwardabrams4972

    @edwardabrams4972

    6 ай бұрын

    🤔😳😂

  • @Plumcraziness

    @Plumcraziness

    6 ай бұрын

    The miraculous vacuum round! LOL! ONLY in .243 though! 😂

  • @dougchandler1248
    @dougchandler12486 ай бұрын

    I got away from see thru mounts in the 70s, had more field of vision at 3x with no sights hindering my view.

  • @pepepepito623

    @pepepepito623

    6 ай бұрын

    Myopia...

  • @sinisterthoughts2896

    @sinisterthoughts2896

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@pepepepito623has absolutely nothing to do with field of view.

  • @falconcowboy9995
    @falconcowboy99955 ай бұрын

    Mabey try having the barrel frozen........professionally........ive heard some good results 🤷‍♂️

  • @approachingtarget.4503
    @approachingtarget.45036 ай бұрын

    I'm curious about the 80 000psi and steal case. I don't think it has to do with what you mention.

  • @sinisterthoughts2896

    @sinisterthoughts2896

    6 ай бұрын

    In what regard? The two part steel/brass cartridge is pretty much exactly what he said, and is designed for the reasons he gave, and the higher pressure to achieve more power out of a 308 length cartridge is also true.

  • @anthonymeyer183

    @anthonymeyer183

    6 ай бұрын

    Its the .277 SIG fury

  • @jfess1911

    @jfess1911

    6 ай бұрын

    You can do a search for "SIG hybrid case' to see photos. The front of the case is brass, and the last half inch of the case, base and rim are steel. The civilian version is the 277 Fury and high pressure ammo is available, although it ain't cheap.

  • @michaelwilson9986
    @michaelwilson99866 ай бұрын

    On the pressure ? When you dig around go back in time n compare the pressure then stated n method used. CUP vs PSI...Also any research into it is also necessary to check Sammi against Europe CIPs n there ammo standards. Re read an article a bit ago on the so called weak small ring masuer. Mention was the above differences n that the ol 96 was used for 3006 in the 50s n 60s.n Husqvarna built them in 06 and others. I think its more to do with Lawyers n related crap than anything else. Shooter Beware of course there are actions that shouldn't be loaded hot for lack of better term. That old steel is capable of being stronger than today. A good Smith can test.

  • @jk-kr8jt
    @jk-kr8jt6 ай бұрын

    Ron, Good fun video tonight. I real enjoyed to pressure v powder discussion. I too often woundered about this. Naturally in older rifles of questionable metallurgy, or alchemy, questionable maintenance and wear and tear, we all understand the call for a lower pressure. But with modern actions (70, 700, 77, 7) (alot of 7's in there) if they are designed to handle the highest pressure of a cartridge that will be loaded in that action can a lower pressure cartridge be loaded to that higher pressure? Say loading a 30-06 to 270 or 300 Win pressures. Naturally I'm attached to all 10 of by fingers and my head may not be pretty I want to keep it's round shape. While speaking of pressures, it raises a question. In a modern 257 Roberts (Ruger 77) it is designed for the +P loads, but is all 257 Roberts brass designed for the +P loadings? It seems hard to believe the brass would be different but the new 277 Fury has me wondering. None of the loading manuals that I've seen address this and since the few that show a case capacity based on water capacity shows a difference. Of course internal capacity will very slightly from lot to lot. I'm not looking to turn the Roberts into a hot rod, that's what the 257 Weatherbys are for. Even in new factory ammo there is not a +P designation on the head stamp, only on the end flap of the box. One last question for you Ron. What is on the table tonight on your left hand side? To me it looks like an old style baseball glove. Thanks, Ron Cheers, Jeff

  • @RonSpomerOutdoors

    @RonSpomerOutdoors

    6 ай бұрын

    Yes, my Dad's first baseball glove. I believe he used it when he won the MVP for the 1948 South Dakota baseball championships.

  • @jk-kr8jt

    @jk-kr8jt

    6 ай бұрын

    @@RonSpomerOutdoors that is really cool. Obviously it deserves a place in the Spomer Hall of Fame. Keep well. Cheers, Jeff

  • @06triton06
    @06triton066 ай бұрын

    Berretta a400 only shotgun you'll ever need

  • @WayStedYou
    @WayStedYou6 ай бұрын

    Even if it was 1500f it wouldn't be touching the skin long enough to cauterize the wound.

  • @jounlow

    @jounlow

    29 күн бұрын

    the blood would turn to steam so it might just hover on a thin film of blood vapor. The real question is when does physical contact[bullet head] turn to non physical contact. I mean will the vapor be strong enouph to repel the wound's skin. that's as far as i'm willing to speculate.

  • @mikerobinson6606
    @mikerobinson66066 ай бұрын

    Benelli is inertia not gas operated.

  • @Russ1tonram
    @Russ1tonram6 ай бұрын

    Offline hot bullet

  • @Plumcraziness
    @Plumcraziness6 ай бұрын

    *Cauterizing flesh:* it's not just a matter of temperature, it's a matter of duration. Even if the bullet actually is hot enough to cauterize flesh (I _highly_ doubt this), the duration of the bullet's track as it passes through the entry wound and wound channel is not enough time to cauterize anything. The bullet is literally passing through those tissues at lightning quick speeds and it would literally have to sit in a stationary position for enough time AND maintain temperature for it to cauterize anything at all. Which it does not do. Another thing this theory disregards is the initial wound cavity and tissue trauma a bullet creates upon impact, starting within 1-3 inches of entry, which devastates a large circumference of tissue. This is many times larger than the caliber size and there is no amount of heat or velocity that can cauterize that to keep an animal from dying from that kind of trauma. The idea of an animal getting away due to cauterized flesh with a .243, or any other caliber for that matter, is a complete myth. Furthermore, the .243 is one of the most effective and time-tested deer rounds there is. It's just unfortunate that people see a bad result during a hunt, and then blame the caliber instead of the bullet they chose to do the job. Oftentimes, it's poor bullet selection that is the issue, and NOT the caliber. The thing is: there are different bullets with different weights with different construction that determine different terminal performances at different ranges. Not all bullets are created equal to perform a particular job. The .243 is a MORE than capable cartridge. It just comes down to proper bullet selection for the animal being hunted and the distance it is being shot at. This is universal, regardless of the cartridge being shot, whether it's .22LR, .220 Swift, .243 Win, .30-30, .30-06, .300 Win Mag, 7mm PRC or .45-70 Government. *Budget scope:* for the gentleman in Maine who is looking for a good scope on a budget, I would suggest looking at the Bushnell Banner 2 in 3-9x40mm, as well as the reviews for it. It may only be a $100 scope (even cheaper on sale), but the quality of its optics and construction are WELL beyond its asking price. Once you see pictures and video of it, you'll be surprised just how sharp, clear and bright the optics are (it performs very well in low light), and how premium feeling the dials and adjustments operate. Despite its cost, it is a very confidence-inspiring scope. It is made of all-glass and aluminum, and the optics are nitrogen purged and fully waterproofed to a high IPX7 standard with excellent coatings that repel dust, fog-up and scratches. All of this in a package that only weighs 14.8 ounces. On top of all of that, the Banner 2 also comes in two eye relief versions: 3.3 inches and 5.1 inches, with the 5.1 inch eye relief version being better suited for your .300 Win Mag. Oh, AND it comes with a lifetime warrantee from a long-standing, reputable company. For the price, the Bushnell Banner 2 is very hard to beat. I'd highly suggest looking at one before spending considerably more on a scope. Best of luck with your 1978 Model 700!

  • @jcows12

    @jcows12

    6 ай бұрын

    I agree and thank you for your excellent comment. I've never used a Bushnell banner 2 but I have heard some good things. Ultimately holding zero is my biggest concern with a scope and anything after that is icing on the cake. 👍

  • @EDCandLace
    @EDCandLace6 ай бұрын

    0:45 do people actually believe that? Lol

  • @sinisterthoughts2896

    @sinisterthoughts2896

    6 ай бұрын

    I'm thinking they are pulling his leg. At least I hope that's it...

  • @jfess1911

    @jfess1911

    6 ай бұрын

    I can picture the conversation in the woods: "Me miss the shot?? No way! It must be that the danged bullet went straight through the deer but somehow healed him up afterwards."

  • @diggernash1
    @diggernash16 ай бұрын

    LOL, no that is not how it works at all...

  • @dualsportrider3221
    @dualsportrider32216 ай бұрын

    Remington under fire was bs story by the same editor that did 73 to 87 chev pick up side impact. Completely false