Watch our Intel i5-13600K CPU review here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqOY0bqiYbyTgKw.html One correction in this review: We just noticed the power efficiency chart contains a charting error (I accidentally plotted the power efficiency for a different test for the 13900K, but the chart is for Blender -- so the numbers are correct but they're for the wrong software with the 13900K). This error doesn't change any of our conclusions nor does it change that the CPU *does* draw 300+/- Watts when under full load, to be clear about that, so power consumption is right. This is the only error we're aware of and, again, the numbers are right but the 13900K result for the Blender chart is different. That particular chart should be between 32.5-37.0, depending on which set of results you take for the math and if you calculate it warm or cold. This means it is still one of the least efficient entries on the chart; however, the 12900K is actually slightly less efficient than the 13900K here, not more. Sorry for that mistake! No excuses. Just too much data too fast, and I'll try to get a few hours ahead of the review cycle next time so I'm not operating so tired. My fault and thanks for your understanding! - Steve

@grapegod6646

Жыл бұрын

🥰

@Fxmbro

Жыл бұрын

I hope undervolting and tweaking can remedy this somewhat.

@chireaionut8473

Жыл бұрын

how about 490+ watts?

@romevang

Жыл бұрын

I'm assuming the chart at 7:54. If so, "Thanks Steve."

@marekciostek1458

Жыл бұрын

Yey my old R5 3600 still in charts :D

I love that you guys have the FX-9590 on your power charts for context lmao

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

Right the Intel fanbois need some perspective, this is NO surprise, Intel marketing excluded there's limits to physics.

@ramseychong8787

Жыл бұрын

Bulldozer is too much of a disaster to forget. It's like the Chernobyl of PC hardware. 😝😝

@NextEevolution

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't Steve still run a Bulldozer CPU in his personal computer?

@gustavobalmaceda2346

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was once a watt-hungry beast.

@ShogoKawada123

Жыл бұрын

Big difference was the FX-9590 performed *horribly* in all regards, though. They weren't gaining anything at all from all that power usage.

Now we have truly entered space heater territory with 13900 and 4090 combo

@WiiNV

Жыл бұрын

L🤭L Deathstar Fails Edition 🌑💥😂

@thetriplea9928

Жыл бұрын

honestly such usage could genuinely be an option for heating a relatively small room.

@tardwrangler1019

Жыл бұрын

forgot about ryzen 7 series?

@jaws3050

Жыл бұрын

Right, I mean at a combined 900w of heat output it would be hotter than the low setting of my space heater....

@praetorxyn

Жыл бұрын

@@tardwrangler1019 175W is a lot less than 300W.

4090 and 13900K seems to be the perfect combo for the upcoming harsh winter. Can't imagine though how much power 4090Ti and 13900KS would pull.

@trapical

Жыл бұрын

The two of them are going to pull over a kilowatt for a personal rig. That’s insanity. Meanwhile I’m over here with my Steamdeck gaming @ 10 watts…

@TokyoCinnamon

Жыл бұрын

I need that heater combo 😂 pls!

@qwer55555555

Жыл бұрын

yeah, and you'll have even more harsh electricity bill after winter with those two XD

@olliveraira6122

Жыл бұрын

The positive side is that you wont need any room heater during the winter To be serious though, I have an i9-12900k, & I honestly wouldnt dare to buy anything that runs hotter. Even with a triple fan AIO cooler I see temps up to around 80C at maxload with this CPU

@brokenstereotype

Жыл бұрын

I can hear the circuit breaker tripping already.

It's crazy the timing, at the worst and most expensive time for energy they are producing the most power hungry computing gear 😂

If you live in mainly cold areas a 13900k and RTX 4090 combo will be an excellent alternative to the usual heating solutions. Very cool!

@gogudelagaze1585

Жыл бұрын

*Very warm

@ethanwiebe6483

Жыл бұрын

i live in canada and my 5600x and 6900xt are already way too fucking much. there is no climate that justifies these heaters

@Crossfirev

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanwiebe6483 the vacuum of space

@hellfire92837

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanwiebe6483 Those are very efficient parts.

@noneB974

Жыл бұрын

bollocks, Uk ambient is 10-15c and it does nothing for my i9 12900

Small detail, not sure if anyone has mentioned this already, but the warmer lighting on the set really is a nice look. Looks more pleasing than the cooler white tones I'm used to.

@user-yv2rf8zz9h

Жыл бұрын

Way better vibes

Some feedback: 2:24 This chart stood out immediately as too small to me. Based on the cpu in the background, the chart sizing and placement seems intentional but on my 15" laptop the text was significantly harder to read than normal because of the size and/or font thickness. Great review! Thank you guys for the continued hard work - it is so widely appreciated!

@pistachiodisguisey911

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, it’s so small it’s nearly impossible to read on a phone bc of aliasing

The whole moving desk setup is an inspired production change. Makes these so much more dynamic and interesting to watch.

@zakelwe

Жыл бұрын

I was too busy doing the "13600k" drinking game ... is that Ian Gillan presenting this?

@Lishtenbird

Жыл бұрын

My only gripe is with monitors in the background - I find looping benchmark videos distracting, especially game ones. I understand those make it look more "busy" and "professional" - like blinking lights in a spaceship - but there's still a fair amount of spoken data, and it can be harder to concentrate on it, even more so if English is not your native language.

Thank you so much for including the FX-9590 here in the power consumption test. After owning one and struggling to cool it near enough a decade it's amazing to see a stock Intel pulling near enough 50% more power.

Something to consider for the next testing methodology update: most AAA games seem to respond very similarly when it comes to the CPU reviews. I'd love to see a more CPU bound simulation type game getting tested. Factorio or Kerbal Space Program or something like that would actually reveal a meaningful difference between CPUs.

@viesturssilins858

Жыл бұрын

Arma 3 !

@MaTpOcMaN

Жыл бұрын

And 4K resolution)

@mtutoriales

Жыл бұрын

​@@MaTpOcMaN That's GPU bound, the higher the resolution the less the CPU matters.

great lighting in this video, nice to see the set and shooting angles develop like this. the intro hair light, the decorative incandescent above the PSU tester, just great colouring

@alexandertrego879

Жыл бұрын

Steve's hair looks NICE

@Candidplayer

Жыл бұрын

@@alexandertrego879 🤣

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Andrew has really been studying lighting lately and he's been killing it!

@maxwellgriffith

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad the harshness of those high-kelvin background lights is gone, the improvement is very noticeable.

@foobar-9k

Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus Not that my opinion is worth much... but this video looks weird to me, compared to eariler ones. Feels "fake" somehow, like if the framerate was too high, or something, hard to describe 😞 Edit: it feels almost as if it was speed up... or skipping frames at the same time somehow, Really weird. I can notice the lamp shaking in the border of the screen, for example. And I'm watching on basic 480p. It doesn't feels right, sorry.

It strikes me that with this power consumption level alongside the 4090's consumption EVGA's decision to focus on their power supply business looks like a really solid move.

@ColdRunnerGWN

Жыл бұрын

It's almost like they knew this was coming.

@EkiToji

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if this continues they'll have to start dealing with the power limits of a single 15A circuit.

@luanphan2706

Жыл бұрын

@@EkiToji We're gonna start seeing 1000W as the new normal for PSU shoppers soon.

@4gbmeans4gb61

Жыл бұрын

THIS IS NOT STOCK. if its using 300+ watts then he has unlimited power on, this is not how the CPU is sapose to work.

@aflury

Жыл бұрын

It was still a dumb business move for EVGA to dump their GPU business, but this makes it look less dumb.

I would love to see power-normalized performance testing. I understand that this is a crazy ask, given how hard it would be to do in a way that lives up to GN's commitment to perfecting methodology, but it would be massively useful even if the data is a little less perfect than usual.

@Smallman647

Жыл бұрын

der8auer did it and the 13900k is really efficient.

@purplegill10

Жыл бұрын

Hardware Unboxed did it in their 13900k review if you're interested

@primozsuhadolnik5468

Жыл бұрын

Like Smallman647 said it. Der8auer did it, so maybe check out his channel/video. Its a great review. Amongst other, he put AMD 7950X cpu to ECO mode (90W), and then did the same for Intels i9-13900K cpu. Its amazing how you almost lose no performance and yet the power consumption goes wayyyyyy down. Im a bit surprised that GN didnt try it. Probably becouse they have lots of work, especially with all the new tech coming out.

@ThirdLife86

Жыл бұрын

@@primozsuhadolnik5468 Well its not almost the same performance. If i limit my 7950x to 100W its slightly faster than my 5950x @ 230W with about 30500 Points in CBR23. With PBO and CO on it at 5.5 Ghz it clocks in at over 41k Points. Thats a 34-35% increase in Performance. Although its burning through 300W of power then. I like the new CPUs as they can give you ultimate performance if needed and still be friggin efficient if need be. So if i wanted to encode a Video over night i can just set it to 65-100W and it'll barely even heat up (about 50C maybe).

I know you guys hear this all the time, but thank you all so much for all of the effort and time put into each and every video!

@canadianbakn

Жыл бұрын

Oh God the scammers are still here. Edit: context for future people reading this in case it's removed, somebody replied to this with a scam message

@KensleyInnocent

Жыл бұрын

@@canadianbakn traveler from 2069 here.... These bots are still there... They even worsen with Ai implementation.

We've reached the realm of completely impractical. When a 360mm AiO can't control temps on a CPU you know things have gone beyond anything reasonable.

@whitekong316

Жыл бұрын

Don’t think people buying i9s usually throw aios on them though.

@ProXcaliber

Жыл бұрын

@@whitekong316 I personally just recently bought a 7900x and I am using a Corsair 360mm AIO. A custom loop is still just too expensive IMO, or at least for a good setup.

@spectraleggings

Жыл бұрын

@@whitekong316 don't think people buying i9s have brains tbh...

@Kuri0

Жыл бұрын

Pentium 4 all over again

@whitekong316

Жыл бұрын

@@spectraleggings 🤷‍♂️

I never thought I'd have to install three phase power to run my gaming rig

@davidfeddanigga54

Жыл бұрын

if you dont want it than just dont buy it

@DerpUSA2025

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfeddanigga54 ok jensen huang

@emenesu

Жыл бұрын

@@DerpUSA2025 you murdered the poor man

@tringuyen7519

Жыл бұрын

HUB even used a 420mm liquid cooler on the 13900K to try and stop thermal throttling. It couldn’t be done!

@zimtage1744

Жыл бұрын

@@davidfeddanigga54 I love it when foolish people make up things and put words in my mouth. What else do I not want?

I just installed a 13900k today after upgrading from the 9900k. Going from one inefficient generation to another feels great! Not going to lie, the performance uplift is phenomenal. Also "Raptorlake" is officially the coolest generation name ever.

With the winter months coming, I must say it is very considerate of Intel, Nvidia, and AMD to provide their users with space heaters that also compute to help them keep warm! They truly have your best interests at heart.

@NovaDoll

Жыл бұрын

Man the 13900k draws more power than high end GPUs and at least AMD’s 7950x doesn’t thermal throttling.

@blkspade23

Жыл бұрын

So much irony for me in that post. I mined BTC like 10 years ago in my bedroom that had a broken radiator. If only I had the foresight to hang on to those 6 BTC.

The power everything is starting to pull is just absurd. 1000 Watt PSUs are about to be the bare minimum for a upper mid range build lol.

@chillnspace777

Жыл бұрын

Real talk

@bigbob3772

Жыл бұрын

pRETTY SOON, YOU WILL NEED 2 separate circuits in your house to plug in two power supplies, one for the gpu and one for the rest

@___DRIP___

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbob3772 Unless you live in Europe or Australia where our outlets are 220V or 240V respectively.

@Richard-tj1yh

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense, 1000w has still plenty of room to spare even for highest end

@digantamajumder5900

Жыл бұрын

Seems like corsair 1600i will finally be a common psu on pcs 😂

At this point I think the industry is conspiring towards getting 1000-1500w power supplies off the shelves again. I remember when the leading advice was 650w-850w is all you need. Also a fantastic time for EVGA to focus on the PSU market 😂

@DenverStarkey

Жыл бұрын

i just got a evga 850 watt 80Gold plus PSU lst year . about to finnally have the money for a 3080. people keep saying wait for radeon 7000 series ... but naaah , not waiting , i'll probably be building a whole new computer next year any way. and by then they'll hopefully have all new hardware launches any way.

@lilkidsuave

Жыл бұрын

EVGA must have had a godly 8 ball kekw

@ChristopherGreerCDN

Жыл бұрын

It's getting more and more to the point that, in North America at least, you need to have a dedicated 15A circuit just for your PC and peripherals.

@beH3uH

Жыл бұрын

LMAO just bought EVGA PSU for my upgrade

@Crossfirev

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherGreerCDN I unironically am rebalancing my room's load because of my computer upgrade for this very reason. :(

It's wild that we're living in a time where these new parts individually cost as much as an entire budget build did not that long ago.

You've become my favorite PC KZreadr. I appreciate your very high standard of journalistic integrity and always mentioning your experience with measurements. You're wicked smart on top of it, I don't think I've heard another youtuber speak so fluently about deep hardware knowledge--you could be an engineer. Thanks for your content and your mission. One beautiful person you are. And your coasters are sick.

@sprocketmoss

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, second this

300w is insane, but one has to also be impressed with the material science involved. When I worked in the semiconductor space, a quarter century ago (man I’m getting old) a chip running at those clocks, with multi-billion transistor count, at that node size, pulling that kinda power to make it all work, would have been thought to be totally impossible (billion+transistors - sure; multi-GHz clock rate - sure, both - no way). Setting aside our lithography limitations of the time, the material limits and Black’s Equation would have dictated nearly insta-failure. Modern semiconductors are pretty freakin amazing.

@LeOneToyota

Жыл бұрын

I'm about to graduate as an engineer and I wanna work in this industry. How does one go about it.

@Lizardwarrior1

Жыл бұрын

@@LeOneToyota phd, go into process engineering, become a tool owner at an intel fab

@christopherjames9843

Жыл бұрын

@@LeOneToyota If you aren't an electrical engineer forget about it.

@EkiToji

Жыл бұрын

Yeah just being able to deal with hot carrier injection and electron tunneling currents at this scale is impressive.

@vladchenkov9215

Жыл бұрын

Piece of lazy trash, telling me it has to pull 50 watts more to be competitive. Intel is now trash 🗑

With the new gen of AMD and Intel CPUs coming out, I'm just glad I upgraded to a 5800X3D. It's casually hanging with the top CPUs with a 105W TDP. Best value CPU right now and it's not even close.

@reappermen

Жыл бұрын

Or to be more precise, hanging at 108W all core power draw by the power draw graph in this video. As a recent owner of a 5800x3d I totaly agree with you :D

@MrWebster191

Жыл бұрын

Wonderfull product, 7800X3D would be great too, i think.

@Sgt_Glory

Жыл бұрын

Built my system last year with one of the last 11th gen i9's (one of those fictitious CPUs that don't exist heh). Doing just fine with it, both power and temps wise. Probably not upgrading for a good number of years.

@MarkLikesCoffee860

Жыл бұрын

A used 5800X is the best value. People are selling them cheap because of the 5800X3D.

@Tugela60

Жыл бұрын

We are glad too, since it is one person fewer snapping up stock for the rest of us to worry about.

I love the new style of changing background settings during your videos. Excellent video as always.

I love how you guys tactically add a sense of humor to your videos like this one. LOL.

I love how the team is using work stations meant for other members to have variety background going on instead of a studio set that's been used previous. nice change and addition to video quality.

Remember when a computer would be the size of a desk or even take up an entire room? We are heading back in that direction.

@anonony9081

Жыл бұрын

The components can only get so small so at some point this was inevitable without a major shift in architecture.

@aMMMMungus

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's not going to happen anytime soon

@rododendron85

Жыл бұрын

but for additional cooling

@LondonCrusader

Жыл бұрын

All of this has happened before... and will happen again.

@jackielinde7568

Жыл бұрын

Oddly enough, "Yes, I'm that old". My employer used to have an Amdahl system that was 26 cabinets, each with the dimensions of a standard server rack enclosure. The room was fairly large and (at the time) used four chillers to force cold air into the subfloor to be blown up into those cabinets. The room was exceptionally chilly, until you entered the maze of boxes that made up the Amdahl system. It was replaced with a single IBM box of the same dimensions.

OEM pre-built thermals will be amazing with the 13900K! Finally something I can use to roast marshmellows in my house. 😂🤣

Small error, at 13:49 even though you've just mentioned GTA, the chart is the same as the Far Cry 6 one from earlier. Besides that, excellent piece once again! Loving the new "station to station" shots recently, awesome increase in production quality.

@MaTpOcMaN

Жыл бұрын

gta !

Intel and AMD is providing just the right CPUs for the winter

@railshot888

Жыл бұрын

Intel has AMD beat easily too.

@gatonetwork1788

Жыл бұрын

I'm a fan AMD cpu's they don't consume as much power and run cooler.

@nothorren

Жыл бұрын

@@gatonetwork1788 go back in time and say the same thing, people will tell you're crazy lol

@whitekong316

Жыл бұрын

@@gatonetwork1788 doesn’t the new amd cpu run at 95 degrees?

@RyanFennec

Жыл бұрын

@@whitekong316 yupe

I really hate the trend of increased power consumption. Newsflash hardware makers, some people want their PCs to not sound like a jet engine, to actually last a good while, and to not feel like they're in a sauna when they boot up Minecraft.

@sowa_9543

Жыл бұрын

Don't buy 4090 or 13900k problem solved

@Sam_Saraguy

Жыл бұрын

At some point, state and federal regulators will step in and set power limits for consumer CPUs and GPUs. It's getting out of hand.

@EnigmaticGentleman

Жыл бұрын

@WT95 I mean, this kind of crazy wattage usually affects the whole stack, not just the top end. Otherwise i would be completely fine with this

@liammcleod159

Жыл бұрын

Buy an i3 then

@88flack

Жыл бұрын

@@Sam_Saraguy The high end one might require a you to apply to recive.

Imagine sitting in a cold room, no AC, all you have is a 4090 and a 13900k open case ❤️ sounds so sweet

If you limit the 13900K by current(A), it becomes much more energy efficient than if it is limited by PL.

@elgreco502

Жыл бұрын

Any suggestions how exactly to do it? I used the Bauer advise to make it run 90w and made a custom 1.050V. Anything else? Thanks.

DerBauer showed that the 13900k only loses about 10% performance when you reduce the power draw by 65% (90W), maybe worth looking at efficiency with custom settings.. not with the absurd volatage its pulling right now... its still getting 5GHZ+ all p core with less than 1.1V

@luistigerfox

Жыл бұрын

that seems to be a theme right now. Considering that you have a similar story in limiting the 7950x to around that area. You can also see a mere 5% drop in perf. of the 4090 when dropping the power limit to 70%. Everything seems to be pushed well beyond the peak of its efficiency curve.

@walkir2662

Жыл бұрын

So there *is* an eco mode? Great!

@RyanFennec

Жыл бұрын

Sounds fun

@bowi1332

Жыл бұрын

Such thing should be available out-of-the-box, IMHO. Like an "eco mode".

@JayMaverick

Жыл бұрын

That's insane. Should be tuned like that out of the box.

It's as expected, we entered the territory of "if you want to upgrade your system with current gen hardware, you are better off buying a new PC all together as you will have to change absolutely everything". And prepare for the electricity bill...

@2ndcitysaint52

Жыл бұрын

i get the power arguements for EU where the bills are stupid high but in NA i promise anyone dropping 4-5k on a top of the line system doesn't care about the power bill its just the reality.

@crylune

Жыл бұрын

I just bought a 6800 XT. I'm happy with this and my 5900X. Not going to fund the next generation of power grid destroyers.

@miragept

Жыл бұрын

Derbauer is also benchmarking hardware without the factory overclock, rtx4090 is basically the same performance at 350W and this one works quite well at 90-130W. Would be nice if gamers nexus started doing that testing too. Its like my rx6600, at 50W(1/2 stock) it has 90% performance.

@danieltatar7575

Жыл бұрын

@@2ndcitysaint52 Unless someone is really pushing the system a lot of the time, people shouldn't care about the energy consumption in Europe either. Especially compared to the price of the actual components.

@Liberty46

Жыл бұрын

atata s-a putut

When running actual games and software under heavy load the draw is more around 125w.. it's benchmarking that causes it to be ridiculously high. You also have the option to use the Intel ETU to lower those settings. Stock Intel ETU settings is 243 watts.

13700k is the one I'm most interested in. Looking forward to that review.

Interesting review. For gaming focus I also recommend the Der8auer review, he goes into detail on how well the 13900k still performs when cutting the power usage massively.,

@thegamerboy1000

Жыл бұрын

Yup watched that before this as well, I love that he adds power consumption to everything

@bricaaron3978

Жыл бұрын

That wouldn't be conducive to irrationality and fear-mongering, though.

@zedexish

Жыл бұрын

@@bricaaron3978 that's irrelevant for stock vs stock.

@skilletpan5674

Жыл бұрын

@@bricaaron3978 It's relevant to most people. R9-7950x uses much less power for near the same or better performance. 13900 uses 30% to 75% more power generally than R9-7950x. The extra cost of R9-7950x will pay for it's self in a few months in power alone.

@noname-gp6hk

Жыл бұрын

@@skilletpan5674 consumers don't think of TCO when they buy things. Things are getting interesting once gaps in power consumption reach a point where there is a total cost of ownership break even point where a cheaper part is more expensive within a few months due to increased power bills, lol. Wonder if any computer maker is going to take a nod from the car industry and start publishing estimated electrical cost figures over a 12 month period like cars do with estimated fuel cost in the window sticker.

You should definitely look at some of intel's claims r.e. power such as the 13900k on very low wattage can match the 12900k and all that stuff. I'm sure there will also be a sweet spot where you can get 95% of the performance for a lot less power as well.

@djnorth2020

Жыл бұрын

The same seemed to be possible with the 4090, cut back power draw 100 W and still win

@akev2794

Жыл бұрын

@@djnorth2020 Yeah - I don't own a 4090 (because I have a 3080 12gb (for £490!) and that's more than enough for a while) but for sure there's efficiency gains to be had everywhere, same with the 7950x as mentioned

@ripleyhrgiger4669

Жыл бұрын

So why buy this CPU or the 4090 if you're just going to gimp their performance? Waste of money.

@nateTrh

Жыл бұрын

This is happening because Intel and Nvidia are finally afraid of AMD. It kind of sucks that once competition arises, they'll go all out to try to beat one another.

@owenaser6673

Жыл бұрын

@@nateTrh but on that same note, that's exactly what competition is good for!!

6:15 the big difference: the 95°C is a temperature target that the CPU actively seeks, whereas the 100°C on Intel is just bam, I'm here, now what to do next.

I appreciate your emphasis on (in)efficiency. It's easy to ignore, but it's important.

Thanks for the great review GN! I’d really like to hear commentary against the 5800x3d as you get to the lower cost units. I think it’s seen as a VERY popular alternative to going next gen so the direct comparison is gonna matter for a lot of people.

@tbrowniscool

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing that the X3D is STILL! Beating these huge motherfucking retarded power hungry chips.

@trailblazinn

Жыл бұрын

If you plan to use a top end GPU, 13th gen cpu crushes 5800x3D. Check out LTTs review.

@Polaren

Жыл бұрын

@@trailblazinn Not in gaming it doesn't. Especially in efficiency. Intel shit the bed once again.

@glamdring0007

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that the 5800x3d is providing 95+ % of the same gaming results at literally 1/3 of the power use...13900k is a sad joke when talking thermals and power draw.

@fredericmontpetit5709

Жыл бұрын

​@@trailblazinn No it does not.

"No were not rounding that one up because we won't give you the satisfaction." Pure Gold.

I love that you have the old FX-9590 on the power consumption chart :)

Don't matter this computer is my personal heater also during this winter I love it !!!!

@kaptenhiu5623

Жыл бұрын

Ha! And laughed so hard when AMD released their Bulldozer FX 9590 with 200W of TDP back in 2014 calling it a heater 😂, and now it becomes the industry's standard.

The insane power consumption on both platforms makes me really want to see some AMD ECO mode benchmarks. Given the way Zen 4 is thermally throttled and not power throttled, running in ECO mode supposedly makes stuff all difference to actual performance. I'd desperately love to see some proper benchmarking on this - maybe a proof of concept test on the 7700X, perhaps. It could be the genuine difference between the two platforms.

@flintfrommother3gaming

Жыл бұрын

Except that voids warranty if I'm not wrong, correct me if I am.

@funkysmokee8764

Жыл бұрын

@@flintfrommother3gaming ??? how do you void warranty? by changing some settings?

@Donnerwamp

Жыл бұрын

@@funkysmokee8764 You're running the chip out of spec, in theory this voids warranty, the same als activating XMP voids the warranty in some prebuilds. But then, unless it's some damage that's obviously the users fault, and they don't log stuff on the chip, it's close ro impossible to proof (and, from my experience, even to cause) damage by undervolting/limiting the powerdraw. You're theoretically not entitled to a warranty claim when running out of spec, but it's pretty much impossible to proof.

@skilletpan5674

Жыл бұрын

I think @OC3DTV did something like that. TTL also mentioned the difference between the bios eco mode stuff and ryzen tuner etc.

@flintfrommother3gaming

Жыл бұрын

@@funkysmokee8764 Literally the Ryzen Master has warnings EVERY SINGLE TIME you boot it up. Also there is no way to prove it so they just slap it there even if they probably don't care. Unless your CPU dies when in that state.

This new LUT is quite nice and complements the graphical design changes well.

@chickenpasta7359

Жыл бұрын

yeah i really dig the aesthetic change and better production as a whole. its nice to actually see some saturation and warmth from a video of theirs

13900k and 4090 is a nice alternative to warm us in the winter.

@Freshman_FGC

Жыл бұрын

Ya, the 13900k and the 4090 are our "little friends" right "Toni Montana" 😆

Wow, you upgraded your lighting. It makes the video look a lot better.

Something that I think will be increasingly relevant, is to perform tests where cpus are power normalized - like for example limiting them to draw only fx 150-200 watts and redo all the tests, just to see exactly how the individual efficiency curves play out. Imagine if you could pull back half the 13900K's power consumption but retain 80% of its performance, and what would the AMD counterparts look like at that point too? I think in general, the more the manufacturers throw away all power limits, it becomes increasingly tempting for end users to do their own downclocking, undervolting, etc because realistically even in professional workloads, you don't want to obtain the last 10% performance if that performance comes at a vastly higher power consumption. Power draw is also consistent money out of your pocket, and realistically all of these cpus perform better than last generations so nobody is going to complain that their workflow is worse, even at less than peak performance. Speaking of, I run my own home-based company with design work, lots of Photoshop and 3D rendering, and I am working off of a now relatively old 9700K. It's still pulling its weight, but my workflow would be vastly improved with one of these new cpus. Realistically though, since I am not working in a major enterprise company, every second doesn't really matter to me. I have tons of things I can be productive with in the meantime while the pc renders etc, saving a couple seconds here and there helps workflow fluidity but it doesn't directly put more cash in my pockets, I simply don't have enough work to fill out every single hour like that - nor do I want to do it since it's the thought process that actually is worth the pay, not just the renders. If the job only consisted of people sending me files and asking me to render them in good quality, sure, then the cpu would directly pay for itself with its higher performance, but that's hardly the case for most creatives I know. So what we're really looking at, are cpus that are now more expensive than last gen flagship gpus, and also using the same amounts of power from stock settings, plus they require a massive investment in cooling and the motherboard too in order to handle that high powerload consistently. All in all, performance just isn't worth the cost, and if my company was larger I'd go with a Threadripper anyways if unlimited performance is truly what matters for the business. These consumer-grade cpus that are pushed way beyond their natural power limits to cosplay as enterprise hardware, and now also close to enterprise cost, is honestly a bit of an insult to the common creative worker. I really dont see who these chips are marketed for anymore. May as well go with the second-in-line cpus that are also half the cost and half the power draw, with performance that won't make or break anyone's workflow.

@WirrWicht

Жыл бұрын

Look at Hardware Unboxed, they did exactly that, a power scaling comparison...

@Real_MisterSir

Жыл бұрын

@@WirrWicht Thanks for the suggestion! I actually went to check Derbauer instead, really interesting findings and made the 13900K look a lot more promising and competitive, especially at its much lower pricepoint. Would be great if this was the new focus for all tech tubers, instead of just taking the frankly stupid stock clock settings that only exist for bragging rights and doesn't benefit end users at all. The 70w power level for gaming really made the 13900K shine, that's legitimately really impressive how much performance you get for that low power consumption. You could game on mediocre air cooling and still outperform the 12900K at 70 watts.

@WirrWicht

Жыл бұрын

@@Real_MisterSir Interesting, now here is a problem. Hardware Unboxed uses CB R23 and their results show a 13900K needs 170 watts to achieve the same results as an 7950X at 75 watts.Which of the results is now the better one?

@Real_MisterSir

Жыл бұрын

@@WirrWicht As someone who uses Cinema 4D professionally (which Cinebench is based off of), I question the HU testings and would like to see them verified by other independent testers. May have to do with unutilized hybrid core architecture, not sure why exactly as it seems that wouldn't be difficult to fix if it was the case but it's the only immediate thing I can think of. Definitely sounds like some part of the cpu isn't utilized and other parts are forced to compensate as a result, which would lead to that comparably much higher power draw. Don't take my words for truth though, I wouldn't want to claim anything without having the cpu in my own rig doing independent testing.

As high as they both are, $100 price premium for the 7950x sounds like it would pay itself off on the electricity bills. Seriously tho, was worried Ryzen was going to lose their efficiency edge, but they've still got it, despite being pretty close in all aspects. Would be very interesting to see how these CPUs compare head-to-head in an "eco" mode / undervolting situation.

It's interesting how Intel created the P-core/E-core architecture to make the processors more power efficient, but then it draws 300W anyway.

I'm still on a I7-8700k @ 5Ghz with a RTX 3080. Definitely tempted to upgrade motherboard, CPU, memory now as it looks like 2024 for the next Intel Desktop CPUs. Bit disappointing that it's a 300watt part though. I primarily use this desktop PC for gaming though, and 6 GHz would be a huge performance increase for smooth gaming at 1440p (especially given the throughput and memory speed increases that come with it over my current Coffee Lake platform).

In the future, we will look back with fond memories how the i9-13900K and the 4090 kept us warm as we huddled around the PC, holding hands out to be warmed by its computational power in those trying times.

@VicRaptor2589

Жыл бұрын

Intel is looking into the future, u know… “nuclear winter is coming” 😂

thank you for the review! for the gaming benchmarks with the 4090, i think it'd be helpful to add 5800X3D, one of the better gaming chips out currently.

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

Yup, a well performing chip that doesn't double your energy bill and is affordable. Sure, it's "last gen", but it can still hold up and is in stores.

@WirrWicht

Жыл бұрын

The 5800X3D benchmarks with the 4090 would have been way more interesting than the 7900X...

@randommcranderson5155

Жыл бұрын

LTT has them. Almost no gain.

I had this on while working and that Adobe CC crashing joke made my heart drop as I immediately thought I was going to loose all my work for the past few hours

Your comedy chops are really unmatched in the tech reviewer field.

You should make a chart in a couple benchmarks for TDP limits. 13900k @ 15w 30w 65w 90w 120w etc. This is very valuable information for underclocking for Small Form Factor PC

@MrFredscrap

Жыл бұрын

Checkout the HardwareUnboxed review, they made that chart, bacsially you can forget about 13900K on efficiency and thermals... Power scaling is poor.

@gunturbayu6779

Жыл бұрын

AMD will easily win mobile CPU this gen with this kind of power figure

@eniff2925

Жыл бұрын

Derbauer made these charts. Efficiency is very good at 70W it beats AMD, at 90W they are equal

@agenericaccount3935

Жыл бұрын

Someone will. SFF isn't really GN's niche, they have enough on their plate.

@ChrispyNut

Жыл бұрын

@@eniff2925 Intel wins at games (if paired with a suitable GPU/resolution where it matters), but AMD still beat Intel at "content creation". 13100 - 13500 (which aren't yet released) would be the best gaming CPUs.

This really just made me feel better about getting a 5800X3D and skipping the new stuff from AMD and Intel. I'm betting AMD will unlock a little bit of performance on 7000 series with AGESA updates and will have a 7000 X3D SKU at some point, but for the 5800X3D will be good for a while.

@shootinputin6332

Жыл бұрын

A while being the next decade. Ran my 2500k from 2011-2017. 5800X3D will similarly stand the test of time.

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@shootinputin6332 I still scrape by with my 3570K, for the simple reason that I wanted a proper step up in terms of performance. This is basically the right time.

@InterAliaa

Жыл бұрын

@Lui that 3800x will still kick for a while

@christopheroconnor4665

Жыл бұрын

Yup as I do a lot of racing sim stuff in vr I'll be going from a 5800x to a 5800x3d in the next few months too

@recession_guy6613

Жыл бұрын

Core i5-13600K beating everything except the other Raptor Lake. - Core i9-13900K still beating 12th Gen and all Ryzen when it's locked to 88 Watts.

I'm glad I upgraded my 3700x to a 5800x3d. Total cost is considerably lower than getting a "more" expensive cpu, new motherboard and new ram. Also 120w all core load isnt't too bad either, and frees up my 750W for a better gpu. The 13900k is a total beast though, and is much better than my 5800x3d in almost everything.

@crylune

Жыл бұрын

13900K is better in productivity. 5800X3D still goes toe to toe with it in gaming at 200W less. Like... not much better. I'll call these CPUs 'much better' when they do it at the same power draw as AMD. 5800X3D is a great CPU though, got one coming in the mail soon.

@9mmisahighcaliberround546

Жыл бұрын

@@crylune 5800x3d is still a great CPU. Main problem for me is it’s cached architecture, and it’s core/thread count. Intel still outperforms it 10-15% when it comes to gaming and is clocked higher. Depending on what games you play and how you use your workstation, I’d honestly go with the intel if you can afford it. However the AMD chip is great as well.

MOAR POWERS!!! My 5800x system already makes my apartment too warm... in CANADA. In OCTOBER. Mind you, the weather's effed right now; I'm still growing jalapenos and habaneros *outside*, so...

I'm feeling pretty good about getting a 5800X3D two weeks ago, no regrets

@maanmahmoud4537

Жыл бұрын

is i9 9900k old !

@recession_guy6613

Жыл бұрын

Core i5-13600K beating everything except the other Raptor Lake. - Core i9-13900K still beating 12th Gen and all Ryzen when it's locked to 88 Watts. Go look at reviews.

love how you guys still put the "venerable" FX 9590 on the EPS power consumption slide to compare between possible space heaters.

Got this today as an upgrade from i7-8700k and it's a world of difference. Reduced my C++ project compile times by ~70%.

Color on the video looks great, good job GN team!

I like the idea of, in a few years, having a 6090Ti pulling 850w and an Intel 15900K pulling 600w, and needing a 2000w power supply to power it all but can overall save us money on energy by hooking up the water cooling loop to my houeshold radiators to heat the house during winter. It's going to be great. Nvidia and Intel really looking out for us during this energy crisis.

@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature

Жыл бұрын

Yes, if my PC could heat my house I would shut off the furnace and render stuff all day.

I must say the 5800xd is just too good I can't believe AMD released it.

@halrichard1969

Жыл бұрын

Wait until the 7800X3D drops into Retail. 😆😆

@Celatra

Жыл бұрын

@@halrichard1969 it will draw double the power tho

@shepardpolska

Жыл бұрын

@@Celatra and if you limit it to half the power it will still be much faster then the 5800X3D. Zen4 is just past the best efficiency point on stock. Eco mode on 7950X is what, 145watts with like 5-10% less speed?

@Actiatam

Жыл бұрын

This is what I'm seeing. We're still putting way too much emphasis on the averages in gaming. If you look at it that way, it's just additional synthetic benchmarking that nobody cares about. We're at a point with hardware where lows and stability are the most important metric. I'll take a 150avg/90low over 200avg/50low every. single. time.

@LucidStrike

Жыл бұрын

@@Celatra Not in gaming.

The new lighting finally looks modern and great, Steve!

As a supervillain I now know the final component I need to acquire in order to make good my threat to melt the polar ice caps! MWAHAHAHA!

The ryzen+radeon combo for efficiency and not having to buy new power supplies and breaker panels seems like the way to go.

@TheBURBAN111

Жыл бұрын

Ryzen 7000 is also power hungry and hot asf...

@singular9

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBURBAN111 Its hot for a reason, its not throttling like the 13900k, did you not watch the video's? The 7950x AT WORST pulls 150w less than the 13900k...and any radeon GPU pulls 200w less than rtx 4000.

@Celatra

Жыл бұрын

@@singular9 ...no? the 7950x pulls around 50 watts less

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

​@@singular9 For the electricity of a 13900K/4090 setup you could set up two AMD builds.

@recession_guy6613

Жыл бұрын

Core i5-13600K beating everything except the other Raptor Lake. - Core i9-13900K still beating 12th Gen and all Ryzen when it's locked to 88 Watts. Go look at reviews.

Great comparisons. In the future, as a photographer I'd LOVE to see the Puget benchmarks for Lightroom included. This is a CPU intensive load and is a big deal when I'm considering an upgrade 🙂 looks like I made the right decision going with 7950X but we'll see 🙂

@TRD_Kyle

Жыл бұрын

Same here. On an old 8c/16t xeon and looking for an upgrade. Personally think the 5950x is looking good for the power consumption alone and it hopefully being a bit cheaper.

@R055LE.1

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious what demand photography can put on modern CPUs

@TRD_Kyle

Жыл бұрын

​@@R055LE.1 On my workflow most of the load is in busts. Say going from 10-20% CPU to 100% many times per minute and depending on what edits you are doing and the resolution of the photo will change how long those 100% periods are. Since lightroom is pretty poorly optimized, those 100% spikes lock things up and you just have to wait, pretty rough when you are playing around with a bunch of different sliders to see what looks the best and your changes aren't happening live. There are some sustained loads like panoramas but those are usually only 10-30sec so not terrible. Importing and exporting is where you can have pretty long sustained loads similar to video editing. Imports are probably the worst for me since you are importing all of the photos from a shoot whereas exports is only the select good ones. I've had imports last for an hour or so when you have thousands of images that you are building previews for while importing so that they are easier to work with once editing. So it is quite taxing on the CPU and also ram where I'll sit at 100% on both of those (8c/16t xeon + 32gb) for quite awhile at times depending on what I am doing where some editing functions are heavier than others.

@FlorinArjocu

Жыл бұрын

In case any option is on the table, I could see the M* Macs rule the lightroom test by a large margin. We have to see the tests again with these new CPUs, though.

@luanphan2706

Жыл бұрын

@@R055LE.1 I do a lot of Batch editing with Affinity. It is a very demanding task for the CPU and it is also very ram-hungry. Currently my 3700X can hold out enough for a batch of 100-250 photos, but it will take like 10-20 minutes to finish apply lighting and effects on the entire batch. From what I can see, the 7900X will be a really good upgrade for me, since with the same amount of time, I may be able to load 250-500 photos into a batch, making things much more productive. But with current price, it sucks to go AM5. So maybe I'll hit the 5950X :D

I would love to see a video hosted by Andrew and Mike where they talk about what they look for when new Hardware is being announced and when you guys do any testing, seeing how they are on the (post-)production side of this whole operation and probably have some interesting insights that aren't necessarily about about gaming. On that note, I do want to highlight how much I appreciate you incorporating benchmarks like Blender and Adobe products :)

thank you steve for saying that extra sentence for the ones who wanna build projects and have the... that was really nice of you :)

1 of the reasons I personally love this channel's reviews is because I do work (It's really a hobby) in Texture Processing for 3D. This includes Processing the Textures in 1K, 2K, 4K, and even 8K resolutions. Then each one of these gets compressed. To test the Textures I then load up whatever Mod Engine or Game Engine I am currently working in which "Cold Loads" the Shaders that will be compiled later by the Engine. These are then Decompressed "On the Fly" as needed. So for me 4 of these charts are extremely relevant in my workflow. This doesn't even include ANY of the 3D work that gets done with the power of High Poly counts destroying the framerate in my DCC applications. For a multi-disciplined workflow these charts shown are essential in making my decision to finally jump the ship from my 9900K + 2080ti, OC'd and water cooled system, that I am pushing the limits on daily. Not counting the 11 Gen Puke that came from Intel I can still extrapolate based on certain AMD CPU's that competed with my 9900K. With almost identical numbers with those AMD CPUs the performance difference, though the 9900K is not represented (no reason for it be at this point), with these modern CPUs is staggering. Cheers! Stay Healthy and Stay Sane!

@assetaden6662

Жыл бұрын

If you decided, what's going to be your choice? Just curious, nothing more

You're power bill is up considerably, I don't even want to think about my power bill. Can't imagine how bad yours is wow!!! Thanks for keeping and improving the incredible job you all do there to keep us informed.

@nadirjofas3140

Жыл бұрын

your

@ItsJones

Жыл бұрын

@@nadirjofas3140 yor

Sweetspot is to limit power draw to 150w (throttlestop), you will get like 70% of all multicore perf without temp spikes or fan noise.

2:30 that overlay is such a good idea, props to the editors!

I wish you did a gaming power consumption test. That would be more relevant to more people compared to the all core full load test

@Kenshiken

Жыл бұрын

Agree

The 5800x3d is looking really good for existing am4 users or even new as it's 349.99 on eBay at the moment.

@recession_guy6613

Жыл бұрын

Core i5-13600K beating everything except the other Raptor Lake. - Core i9-13900K still beating 12th Gen and all Ryzen when it's locked to 88 Watts. Go look at reviews.

@Demon09-_-

Жыл бұрын

@@recession_guy6613 I see reviews like gamers nexus where a 5800x3d trades blows with a 13900k depending on the games and cost only 350usd and can use my ddr4 and a existing am4 motherboard. I'd like to see how the performance of 13 series drops with ddr4 to compare it's value. It's funny you said to go look at reviews when we are literally on one of the best reviews for accuracy out there.

I m waiting for the i11. Why is it always an off prime number ?

DerBauer explained in his video that when you set the power limit to 70 Watt for the i9 13900k it will turn into the most efficient CPU you can currently have.

@MotokoKusanagi

Жыл бұрын

wasn't it 90W?

The EU is coming after TV power consumption in 2023. They announced it the other day. So 8k TVs might be a thing of the past unless panel tech change. Chipmakers need to keep an eye on the EU. They will probably start coming after PC power consumption pretty soon.

@Weaver_Games

Жыл бұрын

I can't believe Europeans are just putting up with this shit.

@walkir2662

Жыл бұрын

Intel, Nvidia and AMD have noone to blame but themselves with this bold strategy there.

@WybremGaming

Жыл бұрын

And rightly so, apples m1 chips shows chips can be fast and efficient. The old x86 pc hardware is a god damn joke.

@shad0w_dragon178

Жыл бұрын

Just waiting for someone to pair a chip like the M1 with more open and unrestricted software. (MacOS is beautiful and easy to use but also substantially more locked down than windows or linux.)

@user-eu1uk8br7y

Жыл бұрын

I remember when dear old me bought a 1000W PSU 2 years ago thinking it will last me a few generations.

Energy companies: Bitcoin mining is down what do we do.... CPU/GPU companies dont worry we got you fam

perfect timing. elec bills are tripling right now. makes you appreciate amd even more!

Perfect, now our PC parts can serve as a heater!

I would love to see you test their claim that the 13900k performs on par with the 12900k at 65w versus the 12900k at 241w. (There was a chart they showed Scalable Performance per Watt with Multi Threaded Performance). I sincerely doubt this claim holds up from their presentation.

Don't know whether it's the lighting or maybe a different process, tools, etc., but the quality of the video in this review is excellent! It stands out as superior to others, although I can't explain exactly why it strikes me as thus. It super clear and the colors & contrast are warm and professional.

It's crazy, the more CPUs come out the better my 8700k looks, the fact to that at the time I've paid it 200€ instead of 300+ because of an error from the vendor is a nice plus

@duohere3981

Жыл бұрын

Pay him don’t be evil 😈

Still rocking a 1700 here @4GHz Going strong!

CPU now pulls what your GPU used to pull at the absolute MAX l o l

18:02 the quad core i3 12100F just chilling there with hexa and octa cores. Honestly one of the best budget cpu

You're doing an amazing job, guys! I'm convinced now you do the best hardware reviews ever. I watched a bunch of others and they don't even talk about the power consumption and throttling behavior. They focus on "but Intel is now 5% faster for gaming and cheaper". Yeah, right, definitely not cheaper if you start accounting electricity bills for a year.

I think a reasonable compromise of performance and power is to run the 7950X in one of the ECO Modes. Still great performance and much lower power consumption. That's where I am leaning at the moment for my new build.

@TheDiner50

Жыл бұрын

Problem is that AMD stock is not running in ECO mode. And they do not market the product or price it like that. Why AMD did not use there RAGE MODE for 7000 series. Making you have to opt in to RAGE MODE to turn a fine CPU into a Intel one.

@papu90

Жыл бұрын

Pay more for less.. sounds awesome👌

@lazy_cameko

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been running a 7950X at 115W or so, right close to the 105W eco mode, and it’s a noticeable power drop (like 80W package power) and temperature drop for a fairly small performance drop. Eco modes seem like they’re the right idea on both the 7950X and 13900K.

Great review of a very interesting product, with interesting ramifications for future hardware development! Just one quick thing - the chart for GTA V is mislabelled as "Far Cry 6" at 13:45, just in case you missed it.

I must say.. your production quality in the recent videos have shot up. Well done to you and the team. Keep up the great work

@mattholwood

Жыл бұрын

And they invested in testing equipment well before the superficial production "values". Such a high quality channel.

I got a 13900k and a 4090. Put it in the middle of a small apartment. No winter heating needed.

Team Red wins yet again. Looking forward to building with the 7950X

@recession_guy6613

Жыл бұрын

Core i5-13600K beating everything except the other Raptor Lake. - Core i9-13900K still beating 12th Gen and all Ryzen when it's locked to 88 Watts. Go look at reviews.

@neoqueto

Жыл бұрын

@@recession_guy6613 no but the underdog is always better, remember, the bigger the corporation the more thumbs up your comment will receive if you shit all over them without giving it any thought and fair evaluation. So, there: Intel and Nvidia bad, only AMD good, now like my comment!

As higher power draw becomes more and more prevalent, i keep saying the same thing. I would love some discussion and accommodating graphs showing total system power draw given the highest, or among the highest, computer hardware available and approximations to how much it would cost to run the system at various electricity costs something like 3 computer set ups. an average gamer computer, an energy efficient setup, and a maximum power draw setup, here's a range of power costs per hour, just as an example

@mob9900

Жыл бұрын

+1