Rout is 7 open mana if you want to deploy after casting it on the opponent's turn. Very hard to justify and telegraphes a lot

@compassghost

17 күн бұрын

I feel like at that point just running Leyline of Anticipation would be a better option if you were running UW.

@skandragon586

17 күн бұрын

might be better (more playable) if run in a deck that untaps lands at the end of turn, or on opponent upkeep or something,...no telegraph...

@danilkinilya1242

17 күн бұрын

@@skandragon586 good point

@Sivarias

17 күн бұрын

No more than Cyclonic rift

@firestalker11

16 күн бұрын

So is cyclonic but that's still one of the best cards in the format

Wash out has been my budget cyclonic rift since I started playing edh years ago. That card is bonkers good

@everitthesketh3856

10 күн бұрын

It’s also all permanents not all non lands

@jonlamoreaux2228

9 күн бұрын

@@everitthesketh3856 yeah, but you have to find a way to give lands a color if you want to bounce them with this. Still awesome though

Tragic arrogance is really slept on

@harleybaker4684

16 күн бұрын

It and mythos of snapdax are my personal favorites

@Npocommander

14 күн бұрын

I like by invitation only

Funny part is I actually play expel the interlopers in my arcades the strategist deck since all my creatures have power 2 or less.

@travisunderwood7898

17 күн бұрын

I was just about to say that it does Legendary Work in Arcades

@jorgeramirez6749

17 күн бұрын

I've got a Doran deck and it's one of my favorite cards to play

@evilanimegenious

15 күн бұрын

I just realized this myself as I have an arcades deck 😎

@zakbrooks7354

13 күн бұрын

You absolute madman genius. Why didnt i think if this

Slaughter the strong is another great boardwipe, and for 3 mana

@assassinace2110

15 күн бұрын

Especially in my arcades deck

i use expel the Interlopers in my Doran siege tower Treefolk edh deck.

Wash out can be quite the awesome card, i play it in a couple of decks and it usually performs well. The only issue is it completely misses colorless permanants

@iancofer2272

16 күн бұрын

Agreed this is a really good card it's better than that one from a while ago was it evacuation I think I like this better this card man in my mono blue Sphinx deck it just crushed people

I discovered Expel the Interlopers while playing against a defender deck. Heck of a card 😂

Promise of loyalty is awesome too cuz its sac not destroy

Love rout. Aetherize is also okay as a budget card.

Expel the interlopers is one of my favourite control pieces, but if im in blue i would choose Flood of Tears bc you can bounce everything, then get a free Jin-gitaxias, then flip it with all the cards that you bounced.

Yes! More niche cards, either budget or old and forgotten. You usually find good shit that I’ll have overlooked. I can go look at the price and list of new card sets, but being reminded about old/niche ones and your insights into which cards may become valuable in the future are always my favorites to see be posted

That last thing, most people not knowing the power until it resolves important but often if playing with friends, not the case because you’ll read it naturally by saying the number, and then will counter

I feel Planar Cleansing is really slept on. Soulscour as well. Both can be extremely brutal.

And then there's Farewell....SoB card.

washout is a table full of green players worst nightmare

I like the great aurora great choice for mono green decks that have a hard time dealing with overwhelming non flying boards

Wash Out + Painter Servant, that thay's a deck I can get behind

Another underated board wipe is Vanquish the hoard. From innistrad midnight hunt. Its costs 6 and 2 white but it costs 1 less for every creature on the battlefield. So really every time i use it, it only costs the 2 white.

Been running wash out since it first came out!

Wash out seems great in my ninja (umezawa) deck. Returning ninjas to my hand to then trigger umezawa again is nice

Just a reminder lands are usually colorless

If you're in green, you should try running The Great Aurora. It's very fun, especially if your deck goes wide with tokens. One of the few board wipes where you want MORE on your field to get rid of

I have expel the interlopers in a "wall" deck, works well

Hallowed Burrial is also underrated. In my opinion.

Expel the interlopers is my wiper of choice. Saccing your own critters is almost impossible to prevent. Gets rid of indestructible as well. Only does not work against people going really, really wide.But perfectly fits my own token decks. Sure, Lemme sac 9 tokens while you sac your army of synergizing monstrosities.

wash out is actually insane since it basically just forced 1 player to discard most of their board on their next cleanup step, its particularly horrific for mono-color players

I use wash out in my merfolk deck and it does pretty good when playing against color token spam decks

For blue green oversimplify is fun. Everyone gets an X/X and exials all creatures where X is the total power and toughness of your creature's

Expel the Interlopers is one of my favorite board wipes, the only one I really hate is farewell, legitimately you can have the most beautiful turn and have a board state that's impossible to stop unlesssssss we have the farewell... Especially because one of my favorite commanders is Sythis, Harvest Hand and they can just call enchantments and ruin my entire day

Last one is good for wall decks

Washout into a wheel lol

I really like wave of vitriol.

Wash out also returns lands. Don't think my pod would be down for that.

Been running Expel the Interlopers in my walls deck. Very nice when most of your creatures have 0 power

I am using Expel the interlopers in my Mr. House deck cause I can always keep him safe since he has 0 power and just call 1 if I need everything else gone.

I play Expel The Interlopers in my Arcades deck, since almost all my creatures are gonna have 0 power due to them being Defenders, it's a very easy boardwipe

I prefer fell the mighty to expel the interlopers since although it’s not as flexible, it’s one white less. Not a huge deal though and expel doesn’t require you to have a creature with low power out

There is a reason they dont see play in many decks

i know im too deep into the mono white rabbit whole when i knew all of these but wash out

Wash out Eldrazi. Oh wait.

I considered Wash Out for Merfolk, but sadly it doesn't hit artifacts or Eldrazi.

No; with expel the interlopers, you casting the spell must make your choices of things on the card before you pass priority. Same as anyone choosing targets for a spell before you pass priority.

Those are definitely good cards

All half decent in casual play as “budget” options when there are just better cards you can be running even in a casual space

Jokulhaups sees less play than any of these according to edhrec and has won me the game every time I've resolved it.

Mix painter servant with wash out for better results

@FinalDisnerd

11 күн бұрын

But then it just goes back to being a reset board wipe

I like ritual of soot can be onesided if your opponent is platying chep creatures and you play 4+ mana creature

Combine washout with persecute and you could end games right there

@Leviathan894

15 күн бұрын

There are many things you can do for 8 mana and one card that would be more effective and reliable and also wouldn’t make you look like a jerk to whoever you targeted with the spells.

while I understand why you might think this there is a good reason for all of these. There are simply better options for all 3. Wash out isn't played because it isn't instant speed, Rout isn't play because Fated return is just better(though people rarely even play that because mono white is rare and better options exist in blue red and black), Expel the interlopers isn't played because the few decks that run these like arcades run board wipes that force players to sacrifice creatures above a certain power or cost less mana and effective do the same thing it's the fourth best option and people don't generally run more than 3.

I washed out a Citadel today!

So does wash out also hot lands? I never really had to think of it but I always thought lands were also the color it produces

@Patronux

13 күн бұрын

Nope. Lands are colorless.

Everything Comes to Dust. Easily the best Doctor Who card. With Convoke its the premiere tribal removal

With eldrazi on the rise I think wash out is a bit weak compared to the other options

I play wash out in my talrand deck

Isn’t wash out also land return?

Love expel!

I literally play rout and wash out in one deck

Any mono white deck i make as rout in it lol

Expel the Interlopers can't even kill Char-Rumbler :/

I use wash out, I did a one sided board wipe with my dimir deck and ended up winning the game (I chose green and wiped my buddy who was winning)

I run wash out in my niv deck. It’ll put a hurt on a commander game. Slow everything down.

Rout being as low as it is while cyclonic is a staple is odd. I get that cyclonic bounces indestructible creatures and all non-land permanents, but the difference in play percentages still seems way too high.

@Waffletigercat

17 күн бұрын

There's two major differences though: 1. Cyclonic Rift is asymmetrical, while Rout is not. That inherently gives CycRift a huge advantage. 2. CycRift is in blue while Rout is in white. Blue doesn't have very many options for board wipes, while white has tons.

@DUxMORTEM

17 күн бұрын

​@@Waffletigercatalso three cyc Rift hits ALL nonland permanents. Rout only hits creatures.

I agree with you on wash out. The other 2... nah those arent underrated, theyre just stone cold bad cards that could only ever possibly see play in limited or super low power decks. White has better options, theres never a single justifiable reason to play those two

Damn, wash out can bounce lands?

@Patronux

13 күн бұрын

Nope. Color is dictated by the colors in the mana cost. Lands don't have costs, so they are colorless

1st one hits lands too. Diabolical

@Leviathan894

15 күн бұрын

Lands are colorless so Washout doesn’t hit them.

@justinholmes-kh9cs

15 күн бұрын

@@Leviathan894 nah lands are the color of the mana they produce

@TheDownSmasher

10 күн бұрын

@@justinholmes-kh9cs Yeah everybody thinks that when starting the game, but no they're colorless

lol, I play ALL of these. :P

I won my last game with farewell🎉

@Leviathan894

15 күн бұрын

I’m sure many would because the card is dumb in how much it does.

@Dutch-e7o

14 күн бұрын

@@Leviathan894 you don’t have to be so mean about it I killed my opponent with the planeswalker. Chill man

I feel like they only updated mantis because it was selling poorly and they wanted up the sales. Unfortunately black suit tobey is probably selling well so there’s no incentive for them to fix it.

Tragic Arrogance. End of the debate

I think I’d rather just play Final Showdown over Rout. Cheaper to cast at instant speed, and way more versatile

I like invitation only better than these these are good spells though I do use these spells but I think invitation only is better

Wash out is worse river rebuke

@MTGRecon

17 күн бұрын

Eh, yes and no, Wash Out costs less, it hits more than one player, and it’s just less mean so it’s less likely to make someone have a grudge against you.

@mr.wafflesrz1137

17 күн бұрын

@@MTGRecon TBH if you river rebuke someone they kinda deserve it

Route is an excellent example of a card that seems good until you actually try and use it. 5 mana for a simple board wipe is already ridiculous for white, which has many cheaper options. Trying to justify paying 7 mana to just destroy creatures is ludicrous. You pretty much skip your turn and are telegraphing hard that you're probably gonna do something.

Wash Out with Painters is great for face punches

@DUxMORTEM

17 күн бұрын

But you bounce your own stuff too... Lands included.

@architectofdreams73

16 күн бұрын

@@DUxMORTEM yes. That's why it's great for face punching. That was the joke

Wash Out + Painter's Servant to bounce all lands

@WookieRookie

17 күн бұрын

It bounces everything. Including Eldrazi with Devoid as Servant's ability is stronger than Devoid

Final showdown is a much better instant speed board wipe

@MTGRecon

15 күн бұрын

Yes, but what if you wanted two instant speed board wipes? Or what if your group doesn’t play with it proxies and you don’t want to spend $8-10 on the card? What I personally love about commander is that you don’t have to play the most optimal thing to have fun and that allows for a lot more cards to get played.

@adamdesimone2658

15 күн бұрын

@@MTGRecon thats true 2 is better than one

I play rout in almost all my white decks

I think the problem with more niche board wipes like these is that most commander decks only want 2-5 board wipes total, and it's really hard to beat out the really powerful ones like Farewell, Cyclonic Rift, Final Showdown, Tragic Arrogance, Blasphemous Act, Toxic Deluge, and Vanquish the Horde. Past that, you have to then justify them over the less popular or more restrictive but still powerful ones like Ruinous Ultimatum, In Garruk's Wake, Damnation, Supreme Verdict, Merciless Eviction, Sunfall, Evacuation, Damn, and good old WOG. This might be one of the most competitive slots in a commander deck.

@MTGRecon

15 күн бұрын

I really dislike most board wipes that just fully reset the board and give you no advantage. Commander, to me, is not a super competitive format, so I’d literally rather lose the game than just wipe the board and pass. That’s why I like board wipes that can be asymmetrical and are played to help you win, not reset the game or bring it to a halt. But that’s just how I feel, and I understand some people don’t.

Stupid question here, but does Wash Out also bounce lands of the chosen color? Normally these kinds of cards have “nonland” in their text, but this one doesn’t. It just seems really powerful to me (maybe even too powerful) if it targets lands too.

@MTGRecon

16 күн бұрын

Lands are colorless, unless a card makes them a color (like Painter’s Servant). So thankfully it doesn’t bounce lands.

@Matt_Alltrets

16 күн бұрын

@@MTGRecon Oh, I see! Thank you for the explanation! I have that card in my collection, but didn’t dare to play it in my friend group to test out! 😅😂

Rout is god tier

@Leviathan894

15 күн бұрын

How? There are numerous cards that accomplish what Rout does. If you’re a mono white deck, you have many ways to interact with other peoples creatures before Rout becomes the better option.

@spartan316kaos

14 күн бұрын

@@Leviathan894 nah, instant speed board wipe is better because you can let your opponents over commit and think they've got an opening to win the game then you wipe the board. Instant speed interaction is always better than sorcery speed. There are a lot of board wipes in your that are cheaper or clear the board on other ways, but this is the best instant speed board wipe (easier to cast than fated retribution by a {w} at instant speed, and is cheaper to cast at survey speed by 2)

All of those cards are unplayable chaff

@MTGRecon

15 күн бұрын

Why is something like Expel the Interlopers “unplayable?”

If younsre running some mix of temporary lockdowns, wraths, depopulates, settle the wreckages, supreme verdicts ect rhen i feel like a 4 mana wrath only reallynjustifes itself if it does something weird and good (read sunfall for example)

Wash out includes lands by the way

@MTGRecon

16 күн бұрын

Lands are colorless, so unless you make them a color, they’re safe (thankfully).

Ok Ok so lets do this again.... Wash Out is Crap because 1) It Only Hits Colored Cards, making it useless vs Artefacts, Eldrazi and basicly 80% of the Things which make the Core of a Commander Deck. 2) Wash Out is utterly useless if someone plays the Same Color as yourself, because outside of very specific Decks/Combos(which use this card) you lose mostly more as your Opponent. Expel the Interlopers basicly is the Same, just instead of color it "checks" Power of Creatures, making it even more restricted. Therefore requiering even more of a spcific deck.

@MTGRecon

15 күн бұрын

First, while this video is about board wipes, I do think of Wash Out more as a multi-targeted removal spell. I never expect it to fully “wipe” the board. It’s best in either lower color decks or higher color (with low multicolor count) decks that can use it to remove 3+ good permanents all at once, with you most likely casting the spell to get rid of 1 or 2 in particular. It’s especially good against token decks, and while it can bounce your board if you choose one of your colors, that’s really a “press button in case of emergency” option that still isn’t the worst in the world since blue often has lots of ETBs or is more spell based. It really depends on how your deck is built, and what your meta looks like. (Also I don’t find commander to be that much fun when everyone’s decks are built on a colorless core that could be in any deck, as I like restrictions in deck building that make each of my decks feel different. I’ll run a couple of the big ones like sol ring/arcane signet, but that’s about it. Although that’s just me. As for Expel, I really like Expel the Interlopers because it always has the mode of “destroy all creatures” in essence, because you can choose power 0 or greater. I personally love it in token decks where most of the time I can choose 2 or 3 and get all of the big threats leaving my tokens alone, but if I need to get rid of a bunch of my opponents’ creatures i can choose 0 in that moment too. Even in non token decks you may just be in a situation where a number works out really well for you, and leaves you with at least something while dealing with the problematic creatures.

@sensen9900

15 күн бұрын

@@MTGRecon Yeah thats Fine. And in such Situations or Decks the Cards can work good, even Great. But this is Basicly in Specific Decks. I mean you basicly Name such Decks yourself in your Response. So it makes sense that these Cards only Used 1% or so, of all Decks. Thats basicly the Whole Argument here ^^

Wash out also targets lands, so be careful of the 🧂

If you don't have something better to do with 7 mana in white than wrath at instant speed, that's on you. Rout is played as much as it should be.

@MTGRecon

16 күн бұрын

The intention is that you can cast it that way if you have the mana, but it can also just be a normal board wipe for 5.

@suzikumieda2452

16 күн бұрын

Exactly! It's a mid-on-a-good-day card with the option to cast it as an even worse card! Versatility at its finest.

Those are all trash

@MTGRecon

15 күн бұрын

I find them all to be very modal, and focus more on winning the game rather than just saving yourself, which is what I value in a board wipe.

@JuanRodriguez-fh7vn

15 күн бұрын

@@MTGRecon washout problematic if your opponents are running similar colors to you. Rout is over costed and instant speed is hard to make useful unless you have away to make creatures also indestructible so it non symmetrical and expel the interlopers is over costed and only tokens decks and smaller creatures decks.