Just to expand on the Pancake Editing technique on Premiere Pro: There are 2 stages you go through to get this working: 1. Stacking the timelines 2. Opening a sequence in the source monitor (this step is super-important in order to make full use of this technique) We are going to have 2 Timelines here - "Selects" and "Main" This is how we do it: a) Double-Click on the "Selects" Sequence in the Project Panel so that the Sequence Timeline opens b) Right-Click on this Sequence (in the Project Panel), then select "Open in Source Monitor" c) Go to the Source Monitor and click on the Wrench icon, then select "Open Sequence in Timeline" d) Now stack the "Selects" and "Main" timelines on top of each other One example of using this technique is when someone gives you a one large clip and you need to split it up into small sections. Putting the large clip into the "Selects" timeline enables you to scrub through it and drag/drop what you want onto the Main timeline. Hope that helps someone out there, Tony

@ionutpop7671

4 жыл бұрын

Hello ! Thank you for this useful information, I never knew that you could open a sequence in the source monitor. There's one thing I don't understand though. Why select "Open Sequence in Timeline" if you already double-clicked the same sequence to open it ?

@EvanFotis

3 жыл бұрын

This is soooo helpful! I was used to this workflow in AE, where one can lock a timeline to a viewer, but could not get Pr to do so. Adobe should add a function lock to source / program monitor to make this workaround straightforward.

@m.a8735

6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

3-point editing can also be done without dragging. The 3rd point can be in the timeline. You can also mark two points in the timeline and the third in the source. Just click the overwrite button.

Great! Love the simplicity of your explanation. I tend to use a combination of all of these. 3-Point to pull Selects. Timeline edit to organize my Selects. Then pancake for the rest. 🔥🙏🏻

Thank you! I did not know about pancake editing. Will definitely try it out :)

Simple great, to the point, pro as usual! Thank you!

Finally After a long time

Great video! Pancake is on Davinci Resolve too!

Excellent job, I’m new to Premier, but I’m enjoying it so far.

I have edited in FCPX using two Project windows and it was quite successful. Being originally a film editor this system seemed to be the nearest to hanging up my shots in the order I wanted to assemble them and leaving me just to trim them as I added them to the edit. To do this what I did was to rough assembled in one project window (my film bin) and then open a second project (my editing bench with pic sync) for the edit. By using the arrow above the timeline I switched between the two projects choosing the parts of shots I wanted to use from the rough cut and then copying it to the edit project. This is similar to timeline editing but I did not have to fly up and down the timeline which I would have found a bit confusing and very time consuming. Dave Knowles - Director/cameraman/editor.

@FilmEditingPro

4 жыл бұрын

Dave Knowles - Filmmaker A great method for sure - thanks for sharing it!

@rosepan6769

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Hope there will be a tutorial to demonstrate this method on FCP.

Thanks for the great tips!

I've been timeline editing for years, because I never heard of pancake editing. I'm probably never going to go back to timeline editing ever again.

Very useful, the pancake timeline worked for me to finish the editing of the movie trailer, thank you very much.

@FilmEditingPro

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent! That’s a great use-case for the pancake timeline. 👍

I think 3-point editing is the best (for me) because I find it faster than timeline editing and I am not yet organized enough to use pancake editing.

I just came to know the names of this types! Apparently I use a both of 3 Point and Timeline type I first drag potential clips from the bins, then I start playing around with the shots and after some tries, mini-categorize the bests clips in different Video Tracks (the higher, the best clip), then I use Timeline editing to make some final touches Great content as always!!

these are useful tips! thanks for sharing it! and please update more video about these topics! you guys are really great!

@FilmEditingPro

3 жыл бұрын

fun yo thanks so much - glad it’s been helpful!

Thank u so much

Very Good. Useful, Thanks Again

@FilmEditingPro

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremiah Lyles you’re welcome!

I Really appreciate your hard work. ❤️❤️ Keep it up. Very informative content

good work

When I began editing, I only knew three-point, but I grew up in timeline since it is easily navigated. I only use pancakes on a rush project...yeah

I didn't know that I used to use 3-point editing since I started in post, thanks for this new methods but really missed the guy who used to make tutorials here before.

@FilmEditingPro

4 жыл бұрын

Syed Asad hey there - Chris is still making tutorials as well. We have multiple trainers, not to worry!

@SyedAsad

4 жыл бұрын

@@FilmEditingPro Man, Thanks, you're way of explaining is amazing but you know, I'm used to get deeper in knowledge with his tutorials. He's kind of inspiring and you, too. Thanks for the reply.

Thanks you

How I do it is I use File Explorer where I can see the thumbnails (Large Icons) of each video file then I relabel them and scenes with the same similarity I just add -2 -3 -4 etc. after the actual name like crane-1, crane-2, beginning-inside-1, beginning-inside-2, etc.. Then I work from the absolute important end clips towards the beginning. I find what is super important in the beginning then I work the insides because if I don't start at the end first, it will be hard to try to include what is important at the end due to lack of space. Knowing how much you have to work with at the end and having less makes it way easier imo because I'm usually using it with a pre-made song so having flexibility on the time just isn't there unless I'm making a video with no song then it doesn't matter. Dragging them into the Project from Windows File Explorer like preliminary keeps it also efficient as you can see what clips make more sense to keep than having like 200 files inside the Project area and then having them in Folders and Subfolders which would make it even more difficult/impossible to see what are working with. The harder it is to compile a proper final video the more editing that has to be done as the clients remain unhappy as they aren't getting what is expected.

So 3 point editing is mainly editing from the source window and the media bins rather than putting stuff on the timeline? Then I've been doing it the "3 point" way without knowing what it's called! Great informative video.

It would be great if you could compare the timeline editing experiences between Media Composer, Premiere, Resolve, and Final Cut

@FilmEditingPro

4 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea for a video - adding it to our short list!

0:36 what’s the name of keyboard shortcut that allowed you to bring all clips together. This was such an informative video

@FilmEditingPro

3 жыл бұрын

Oppai Senpai I’m glad it was helpful! That’s the Close Gap tool - it’s amazing. I mapped mine to shift+x

@MrSenpaiTV

3 жыл бұрын

Film Editing Pro excellent! Thank you so much, I just mapped mine to “b” witch works with my shortcuts workflow. I’ve been binge watching this channel for the last 48 hours, def going to watch all your videos, so informative

You can probably use sorce tape in resolve and now it's not unique to premiere

I am mainly used 3 point and pan cake

how can watch other video sir in your website free training

I like to edit using the timeline method but I hate having to scroll to the end to grab new clips. I think I need to try pancake editing

@miiistyles

3 жыл бұрын

you could use markers ♡ I've been using timeline editing since I started vidding and markers were a big help :))

Which one do you think is more effective for editing a feature? For example, could you pull off editing a feature film with the pancake timeline?

@FilmEditingPro

4 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, 3 point editing is going to work best for feature cutting, as you'll likely have your clips organized by scene and take in your bins rather than a selects sequence. For something like trailers, where select sequences are common, pancake editing works great!

@UKR636

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve cut over ten TV movies and one feature doc using pancake editing. I’ve a 32” Cintiq so plenty of real estate for two stacked timelines. I’ve also setup up the Cintiq’s EK Remote with hot keys. So I mark in/out from my top timeline string out, then press a button on the Remote. It insets or overwrites the selection from the top timeline into the bottom and then jumps back up to the top timeline. Very fast and intuitive.

I use timeline editing for my projects, but 3-point editing when I'm editing in class because we have to use AVID and I don't understand why sometimes it inserts the clips (pushing the rest) and sometimes it overwrites them. I can only use Premiere at home, so.

@FilmEditingPro

4 жыл бұрын

A is my name - in Avid you’ll want to check whether you’re using an insert edit (yellow arrow that pushes media down) or overwrite edit (red arrow that overwrites what’s already on timeline). I believe the default shortcut keys are b (overwrite) and v (insert).

@bornxntuesday

4 жыл бұрын

@@FilmEditingPro Wow, thanks! They didn't really explain the difference between the arrows and one of my classmates made a mess with our team project because we didn't know that.

What command did you use at 0:36 to put all clips together and ripple delete the gaps in beteween? 👀

@FilmEditingPro

Жыл бұрын

Close Gap tool - amazingly useful!

I really like the way Adobe is working to make Premiere more intuitive to work with, however, once I mastered Media Composer, I don't believe I could possibly cut in any other program. Armed with my Wacom tablet and configured keyboard shortcuts, it's like conducting. It allows me to enter flow so easy. I don't believe that would be possible in P PRO.

@isaacbedford3644

4 жыл бұрын

I have the exact OPPOSITE experience. I'm a film student that started and got good on Premiere Pro and I am now learning Media Composer for an editing class. MC is such an excruciating program to edit in compared to premiere to the point where I've compiled a laundry list of missing features, inefficient workflow counterparts, and other grievances compared to Premiere Pro. Some of these include the fact the MC only has 2 to 3 layers of keyboard customization compared to Premiere's 8, how easy it is to lose sync between video and audio, and terrible clip lasso functionality. The interface is a series of floating windows the become a mess when using multiple monitors (except for the latest update). Premiere Pro has a stockpile of small features that make a big difference like "paste insert", finer keyframe creation and manipulation (bezier curves), and the ability to lift or extract clips w/o marking in and out points. Premiere Pro also allows for better project file tree structure where there's simply bins and sub-bin that can be opened down to the clip or sequence files. Avid forces you to make folders which are just headers that hold bins that hold files that must be opened in other floating windows. In terms of importing, Premiere will smartly allow the importing of entire folders including contents w/in the subfolders. Avid does not. Premiere Pro will intelligently relink footage after manually finding one clip. Avid's relink feature simply does not work (I'm not the only one). Basically, Media Composer is still the industry standard b/c of its robust server architecture for working with multiple editors and its ScriptSync features for TV editors. It's clearly meant mostly for picture cuts that are sent off to other people for color, audio, and VFX work. I truly believe that if you tried Premiere Pro (or DaVinci Resolve) for a week you would transcend into editor heaven.

@OCUBOX

4 жыл бұрын

@@isaacbedford3644 you make some very good points, yes I read every word, yes you have to find workarounds to things, but the fact is, more features does not mean better. And I definitely would edit in davinci before I edit in premiere (I feel it lacks finesse, for me). Especially since I can go from editing to CC seemlessly. Though with avid, when I want more grading control, I just export to DNxHD and color correct in resolve. I used to do a round trip from media composer to AE for effects and CC, until I could finish in MC, from cutting, to effects, audio still went through iZotopes RX, then brought back, colour correction with the baselight plugin, and even all effects sfx and motion graphics (though very clunky and not the best without plugins), but I like being able to just stay in one program, instead of round-tripping into other programs. That said I've not edited anything in well over a year, so...

@isaacbedford3644

4 жыл бұрын

@@OCUBOX I feel as though working with Creative Cloud apps using dynamic linking between AE, Audition, and Photoshop or using Davinci Resolve with its included Fusion, Color, and Fairlight panels are both better workflows than using Media Composer which requires far more round tripping and offers a far less enjoyable cutting experience in its timeline. But I respect your opinion. :)

@crawlinginfilm9683

4 жыл бұрын

OCUBOX Is there a good information source (book ?) on workarounds for Premiere users using MC ?

@vandall1981

8 ай бұрын

Toggle source record in avid is the single greatest tool of any NLE. Premiere sort of does it when you can open sequence in timeline from the source monitor, but it still isn’t the same. I love avid for toggle source record and its source patching functionality. Those two things make avid king. Now animating photos…that’s another story.

I am a three point and sometimes timeline editor lol

👌🙏

Using multiple timelines is not specific to Premiere. Lightworks' interface is very well suited to complex workflows involving multiple timelines, exchanges between those and so on.

hi, I have a question about pancake editing. Which timeline is the one the gets rendered out?

@vooshmoozik6185

3 жыл бұрын

you choose which timeline to render, at least in premiere, you focus on the target timeline panel, then export, that's all

@CrystalRecords

3 жыл бұрын

@@vooshmoozik6185 thx

How can you delete all of the filler between clips like he did at 00:35 ?

@FilmEditingPro

4 жыл бұрын

That is the Close Gap function. So useful!

@Zeigerful

4 жыл бұрын

@@FilmEditingPro How did I not know this feature yet?! You learn something new everyday. Thank you!

Davinci has pancake editing. Not unique to Premiere

@FilmEditingPro

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's a good point, yes you can pancake in Resolve now.

meh. that pancake joke made you weasel out of demonstrating the clear argument for which is the most professional method: pancake. a cheap joke and audience-pleasing diplomacy wasn't worth sacrificing the opportunity to show the main argument for pancake editing, which makes it superior above all other methods if you work in a professional, modern fast-paced editing environment like commercials, etc. and that is: backtrace-ability. If you do your selecting (the pendant to in-and-out points in 3point, which you left out for pancake because there you used still images that don't need selecting within the shot) by cutting and nudging up a track, you will later always be able to go back and see which section of the shot you took and what else is left of it EVEN if you made several selections within one and the same clip - this is where three-point falls apart because it resets in and out points with every new selection on a clip. also having to click from one clip to the next is snail pace galore and ludicrous to imagine doing when client or director are sitting on the couch behind you paying serious money for every minute of your time. unless you're working in a totally scene based environment like linear drama film editing, there is NO reasonable argument against pancake except this: I'm an AVID-fetishist and will hold on to outdated overpriced technology and methods just because it makes me feel like I'm working on the same platform my favourite movies were made on. How can you be calling Three point editing 'fast and efficient'? And timeline editing?! oh my god. You're destroying your selects while you're forming your edit. Imagine a director or client, just before your cut is finished, going: hmmm, let's check out those other shots we had selected from that scene and you start scrubbing through the mess of discarded clips you've bunched up at the end of your timeline. Fireable. Sorry for the harsh words, I find your content very valuable normally, but this is a strange misstep for your normally professional-grade advice. 'Cluttered on your screen'? Get a bigger screen...