250 Subscriber Trophy Wine Review: Chateau Palmer 2012 - 3rd growth Margaux

Based on the poll results, my subscribers and viewers chose for me to drink this wine and boy, do I appreciate this!
Chateau Palmer was established in around 1815. Prior to this, the estate was part of Chateau D'Issan and then used to produce Chateau de Gascq. In 1815, the winery was purchased by Major General Charles Palmer, a retired Englishman, who poured a lot of money into the estate. Unfortunately, by the 1840s, he had some financial difficulties and was forced to sell the estate. Even with financial issues, Palmer was still given 3rd growth status in the 1855 Classification. It should be noted that Palmer has, since 1855 added some more vineyards on the Margaux plateau, which is some of their best Merlot plots. This is probably why most people consider Palmer as a much better wine than a 3rd growth in the modern times.
Since 1963, a syndicate led by the Sichel and Mähler-Besse families have owned Palmer giving it stable ownership and deep pockets. They have a great location, right next to Chateau Margaux and are unique in that they have a lot of Merlot planted for a Left Bank wine. Since 2004, Palmer has been managed by Thomas Duroux.
Chateau Palmer consists of 55 hectares of vineyards, of which 47% is planted with Cabernet Sauvignon, 47% planted with Merlot and 6% planted with Petit Verdot. They removed all their Cabernet Franc vines, which is unusual for Left Bank. 11,000-12,000 cases of Chateau Palmer is produced each year and 7,000-8,000 cases of their 2nd wine, Alter Ego de Palmer is produced each year.
For the 2012 vintage, the blend was 48% Merlot, 46% Cabernet Sauvignon and 6% Petit Verdot. It was the first vintage of Palmer to use their newly planted Petit Verdot. 2012 was a contrast vintage in that the spring has lots of rain but the late summer was ideal conditions for grape ripening. The Merlot grapes ripening with lots of intensity and richness. The Cabernet Sauvignon grapes were lean and precise. Somehow, the contrast of the characteristics of the 2 grape varietals worked to produce an exceptional wine. Aged in 70% new oak for 18-20 months.
I visited the winery in 2017 and they are very modern. They are fully biodynamic since 2013. They are also fully organic. Because of their modernization, their wines are getting better and better and hit well above their 3rd growth status.
For more information about the winery, please visit their website at www.chateau-palmer.com/en

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  • @ysong00
    @ysong005 ай бұрын

    You know you are a top tier wine channel when you celebrated 250 subscribers with such an excellent bottle!

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    5 ай бұрын

    Allan: thanks..hope you enjoyed my video. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

  • @ysong00

    @ysong00

    5 ай бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter definitely! Always enjoy your content

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    5 ай бұрын

    @@ysong00 😀😀

  • @DjWicked0
    @DjWicked03 жыл бұрын

    I was fortunate enough to find a 02 and 05 after watching your videos. I know its mostly the newer vintages that show exceptionally well but I look forward to enjoying them regardless.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    wow, you are so lucky Older Palmer is still excellent. Might be a bit worried about the early 90s but the 2002 and 2005 should be exceptional. You can't beat their terroir. Stylistically might be a bit more reserved. 02 should be ready to drink and 05 will mature along the same timeline as 2012. Let me know how they are when you drink them. Cheers!

  • @wyattalexander4041
    @wyattalexander40413 жыл бұрын

    Some great insight on such an exciting Wine congratulations for the subscribers and getting to enjoy that bottle was such a great meal! Haha cheers 🍷

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    thx so much for your comment and watching the video. Cheers!

  • @wizeasz4035
    @wizeasz40353 жыл бұрын

    Great review Tony. Your reaction to this bottle shows that there is a difference in quality of wines and a reason for the cost. This kind of wine, as you so eloquently put it, is an experience. The taste and smell are always obvious components of wine drinking but, the joy of ambience and celebration, along with excellent food pairings really elevate a wine's presence and ability to just feel good for a bit. If you are happy after drinking a wine such as Palmer then it was worth every cent! Look forward to more good stuff bud!

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    thx Gordon for viewing the video and your comments. I am appreciative that during COVID, I got to drink some bottles by myself. It makes a huge difference if you can drink the bottle over several sittings with and without food. I just finished off the last bit tonight (2 days after initially opening it) and it is still silky smooth with lots of dark fruit flavors and earthy aftertaste. Wine critics have their usefulness and they have a job to do but in my opinion, just opening a bottle, sipping it, giving some tasting notes and then rating the wine after less than a minute really doesn't give justice to the wine and is not the way ordinary consumers drink wine. So I do try to present a consumer friendly view and give you my honest opinion while also recognizing I have my own personal preferences that affect my opinion. Ultimately, you are right....as long as you are enjoying the wine, then it is worth it. I do have a problem with people who buy an expensive bottle of wine just to trash it and say it is overpriced. People fail to take into account the history of the wine and the effort that goes into making these wines. My viewpoint is that most wine drinkers are pretty smart....so if a wine has been at a certain price level for several hundred years, there must a be reason and once you discover that reason, you have to figure out whether it makes a difference to you. In my opinion, what makes Palmer special is the high degree of Merlot plantings on good terroir sites (most Left Bank wineries would save their best plots for Cabernet Sauvignon), the switch over from using Cabernet Franc to Petit Verdot in their blend and their innovation with becoming organic and biodynamic. They are humming now and their new wines are, in my opinion, must fresher and vibrant that their wines in the 80s and 90s, which are still excellent. Keep watching and keep the comments coming!

  • @wizeasz4035

    @wizeasz4035

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree 100% on your philosophy. Palmer is one of the more expensive third growths for good reason. People love this and Alter Ego. Many believe it is more of a value second or first growth Margaux in reality. Forsure wine appreciation can be pretentious if one wishes or it can just be something you like to drink or not. I like the aspect of luxury. A $200+ bottle of wine is to most, an opulant and extravagent amount of money to pay for 5 glasses of liquid. This, I find, forces one to appreciate the entire experience over a longer time span and really reflect on nuances and subtleties of the wine. The expertise and history of wine makers as well as the vineyards is all added value. Excellent job. Keep it up.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@wizeasz4035 thx Gordon for your support. You are on the same page as me. There is no way to justify an expensive wine on purely taste and there is a huge luxury component to drinking expensive wines. This is what most people don't understand. Having a bottle of Chateau Palmer for a person like me is like a basketball enthusiast having the chance to shoot hoops at Madison Square Garden. I can never understand why anyone who doesn't really enjoy wine would pay for an expensive wine. They will mostly be disappointed so why would you spend that type of money on wine just to be upset? That is why I try to give some background about the wine as even if you don't prefer the taste, you learn a lot about wine/history and you add something to your knowledge base. If you only base on taste, it is very easy to be disappointed. It is so easy for people to say wine lovers are crazy for spending over $100 for a wine. The harder part is to understand why the wine community would pay over $100 for that wine. I hope my videos give viewers a sense of the story/character of each winery and what they are trying to express. It is like viewing a painting...if you just stare at it, it doesn't have much meaning but if you go on a tour with an art expert, they help you to notice all the different techniques or hidden symbols in the painting. As you can tell, I love talking wine...cheers!

  • @m.p.sutherlandjr.6905
    @m.p.sutherlandjr.69053 жыл бұрын

    Had a bottle of Rombauer for Father’s Day, but this looks extra special! Cheers!

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    M.P: thx for watching my video and Happy Father's Day! You mean Rombauer Chardonnay? That is all we get up here from Rombauer. I hear this wine is quite controversial but personally, I love the style of the wine...lots of oak and butteriness. Huge alcohol. Not a shy wine at all. Cheers!

  • @sc3434
    @sc34343 жыл бұрын

    Another great review! I would love to try Palmer one day. I have only had their Alter Ego...which was very good, but I believe done in a different style compared to the Grand Vin.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey SC 34. Thank you for your kind comment. Alter Ego is meant for earlier drinking and a bit more fruit forward. I would try it if you could get it at a good price.Cheers!

  • @MM-ov3ne
    @MM-ov3ne2 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic review! Maybe it goes to show that there’s some great value to be found in the non-classic Bordeaux vintages.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    M M: thanks for viewing my channel and your kind comments. I find most people make too much of great vintages mostly because they really don't drink these wines that much....they just read about great wines and great vintages. From my experience, most "soft" vintages drink better young and with less than optimal preparation. Yes, spectacular vintage drink magnificently after 25 years but any Palmer over that last 10-15 years is very, very good. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

  • @grigorhaig
    @grigorhaig Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic wine.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    Жыл бұрын

    grigorhaig: I agree. Cheers!

  • @dennishyun7173
    @dennishyun71733 жыл бұрын

    Thanks~~!! Love your wine selections

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    Dennis...thx so much for viewing my channel and your kind comments. Keep watching and hopefully I will be able to bring you reviews of some incredible wines.

  • @grigorhaig
    @grigorhaig2 жыл бұрын

    I drank my very first Palmer three hours ago. It was 2006 vintage. I loved it!!! A truly sublime wine…

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    grigorhaig: thank you for viewing my video and congrats on drinking your first Palmer. 06 is a splendid vintage for Palmer. Did you put in decanter and for how long? Did you pair with food? Cheers!

  • @grigorhaig

    @grigorhaig

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter Yes, I put it in a decanter for one hour only. It was amazing. This wine gave me more pleasure than a Château Margaux 1994, that I tasted about six months ago (!).

  • @grigorhaig

    @grigorhaig

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter I paired with grilled filet mignon and asparagus.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@grigorhaig wow...good intel. Thanks for sharing. Palmer's quality is quite comparable to Chateau Margaux, especially off vintage Margaux. I am particularly impressed with newer Palmer (after 2000). Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!

  • @sanjaypatelmd4669
    @sanjaypatelmd46692 жыл бұрын

    Just started collecting chateau Palmer from 2018 vintage… I am going to look some auctions to buy older vintages!

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sanjay: Palmer is an exceptional wine but you don't have to go back too far as there was a time when Palmer (and most Margaux wines) were underperforming. I would say stick to anything after 2000 and in particular after 2010. Cheers!

  • @sanjaypatelmd4669

    @sanjaypatelmd4669

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter thank you sir!

  • @fun2collect
    @fun2collect2 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video Tony! Thank you for sharing your in depth knowledge. I just purchased the "Chateau Palmer 3Me Cru Classe, Margaux 2016" bottle for dad's 60th birthday. Hope he'll like it! Do you have any thoughts on this specific bottle? Many thanks

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    Monty Python: thank you for viewing my video, love your handle name and than you for your question Palmer is a magnificent wine but 2016 is super young. Great vintage but problem with great vintages is you really have to wait for them to develop. So you really need to wait another 5 years before it starts to approach its drinking window. If you must drink now, double decant for like 10 minutes continuously to try to get some life into the wines or decant for 4 hours before serving. Eventually it will get a bit fleshier, with a milk chocolate type texture. If you open it, let me know who it goes. Keep watching! Cheers!

  • @fun2collect

    @fun2collect

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter Oh wow! Thank you so much for this great advice, i'll be sure to pass this on to dad so that he knows what to do if he'd like to drink it now :) Very much looking forward to your upcoming videos! Not only educational but also entertaining! Many thanks

  • @jayaldeguer6002
    @jayaldeguer6002 Жыл бұрын

    Great video as always! Probably watched this 5 times as Palmer is up there for me. In the video you mentioned you could’ve mistook this as a Pomerol wine if it were blind tasted. Been quite curious about Pomerol and have only tried them a couple of times. Which of the Pomerol wines do you think would be close to the 2012 Palmer you just tasted?

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    Жыл бұрын

    Jay: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. I think it is like Trotanoy or Vieux Chateau Certan in terms of taste profile for me. Cheers!

  • @jayaldeguer6002

    @jayaldeguer6002

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jayaldeguer6002 Cheers!

  • @eisenhower22
    @eisenhower22 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Trophy, i was looking for review of Chateau Palmer 2008 and i found this, I got 2 case of this and recently I opened one bottle, and while it not cocked, it just did not impress me like compared with even a Razuan Segla 2006. Wonder if I did not decant it enough ? Any idea how it should taste or it is just over-rated ?

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    Жыл бұрын

    Willis: 2008 is a funny vintage...good wines but nothing exceptional. Palmer is only really hitting it stride in the last few years so I am not surprised 2008 Palmer didn't thrill you. Perhaps try waiting a few more hours or overnight in fridge. Palmer does take a long time to open up. Although it is a softer type wine, treat it like you were opening Leoville Las Cases. Cheers!

  • @coryz6880
    @coryz68803 жыл бұрын

    Great review. Where did you get the bottle (i.e. local store, online, auction, etc.) & how much did it cost? Thx.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    Cory Z. Thanks so much for watching my video and your comment. I believe I bought it a few years ago at the BC Liquor stores for around $500.

  • @sanjaypatelmd4669

    @sanjaypatelmd4669

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cory Z you can buy this wine at Costco. I paid $338 plus tax per bottle.

  • @derekcontreras7494
    @derekcontreras74943 жыл бұрын

    Great video I don’t have much experience with Bordeaux wines, slowly getting introduced.thanks What’s your thought on Chateau Pape Clement?

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    Coming around to it. A lot of people really like it and swear by it but I haven't drank a lot of it. What I did drink I thought was OK but it could be that people around me where hyping it up so much that I developed a negative attitude towards the wine. If you are coming from drinking Italian and American wines, I would start on the Left Bank with St. Julien or Pauillac wines, which are predominantly Cab Sauv based. You can also drink Bordeaux Superiore or wines from Fronsac if you don't want to wait for the wines. Cheers!

  • @sanjaypatelmd4669
    @sanjaypatelmd46692 жыл бұрын

    I just bought one bottle of 1970 chateau Palmer… I will be doing side by side with 2018 palmer this summer

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sanjay: haven't heard from you for awhile. How was your trip....I think you went to Bordeaux, correct? Yes, let me know how that goes although I think the 70s were not a stellar time for Margaux wineries. Cheers!

  • @sanjaypatelmd4669

    @sanjaypatelmd4669

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter we are going to Bordeaux , northern Rhône, French rivera , Versailles june 18-July 9

  • @sanjaypatelmd4669

    @sanjaypatelmd4669

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was on call for 3 wks…had some sick babies in our ICU

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sanjaypatelmd4669 Nice!

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sanjaypatelmd4669 ah...work comes first...time to drink!

  • @Spiritchaser93
    @Spiritchaser93 Жыл бұрын

    Hey, would you reckon that I would like Chateau Margaux given that I'm not a fan of Palmer? Is Ch. Margaux made in a similar style (prominent oak & extracted fruit) with spicy/peppery and savory character as that of Palmer? As you know the wines that speak to me tend to be elegant, laser-like precision (Las Cases, Figeac and Ducru to lesser extent) rather than broad shouldered (Cos, Montrose, Baron). In a recent 85 tasting I was unimpressed by the 1985 Palmer and preferred the 1985 Figeac. I also recall not being impressed with the 2005 Palmer. Its strange because I really enjoy the likes of Brane Cantenac and Rauzan Segla from the region. Appreciate your thoughts. *Ps. Motive for asking this ques is that I have a budget but considering getting a bottle for an upcoming special occasion, and am deliberating between Margaux or Haut Brion or Cheval Blanc.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    Жыл бұрын

    Spiritchaser: based on what you have told me about your drinking preference, I would think you would like HB or good vintage Cheval better than Margaux. I wouldn't describe Margaux as a precise wine but also it is not spicy. HB is earthy/minerally and Cheval in good vintages is structured. Palmer (and Margaux region in general) doesn't do that well in hot/austere vintages. So 85 and 05 wouldn't be the best vintages from the Margaux region. 2012 would be a vintage I would try for Margaux region. Let me know what you end up deciding to buy! Cheers!

  • @Spiritchaser93

    @Spiritchaser93

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter Thanks! Right now I'm leaning more towards freshness and clarity in terms of my palette preferences so I'm looking at Cheval Blanc. Even though the 1998 HB was stellar with such a divine lingering minerally aftertaste, it did not have the exotic aromas I was looking for to back up the palette. I feel like taking a shot at Cheval Blanc which I have NEVER tried in my life before. Which good vintage Cheval would u reckon? I have been reading up and many have said 2015 is their all time best vintage. Furthermore, the 2015 seems to be the cheapest compared with their other past great vintages.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Spiritchaser93 I love Cheval so I am not the most impartial. To me, every vintage is different. I would also look at 2011 and 2012 which are drinking exceptionally well right now. I really don't think even in a bad vintage, Cheval makes a bad wine. But I am very biased towards Cheval. Cheers!

  • @Spiritchaser93

    @Spiritchaser93

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TrophyWineHunter Hi TrophyWineHunter sorry for the late reply, could you elaborate more on why do you think I wouldnt enjoy Ch. Margaux if I wasnt impressed with Palmer? Is Ch. Margaux also like a Pomerol wine which is fruitier and more oaky than the producers which I tend to gravitate towards? It baffles me when critics say Palmer is elegant but to me its more hedonistic, and stylistically I presume Ch. Margaux falls into the same category as Palmer.

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Spiritchaser93 I don't think I said you won't enjoy Margaux...I said I think you would prefer HB or Cheval Blanc to Margaux but again, that is just my guess, based on your taste profile. Having said that, really difficult to pigeon hole people as I like a lot of wines that are not similar. Cheers!

  • @khangtran-om2ve
    @khangtran-om2ve3 жыл бұрын

    why do you think palmer is so expensive, especially compare to the super seconds?

  • @TrophyWineHunter

    @TrophyWineHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    thanks Khang for viewing my video and your thoughtful question. I think there are a number of reasons, not all related to the wine quality: 1/ they have, since the early 2000s made tremendous changes and innovation at the winery. They were one of the first Bordeaux growths to go organic and biodynamic and they invested heavily in new fermentation tanks. 2/ their style of wine, which uses more Merlot and the addition of the softer Petit Verdot grape (rather than Cabernet Franc) is easier for most people to accept compared to the harsh tannins of Cab Sauv dominated wines 3/ their label is iconic with gold and black being a stunning contrast. It looks like an expensive wine; 4/their name is easy to pronounce. With the growth of the wine market in Asia, it much easier to pronounce, remember and ask for, without looking like a fool by killing the French pronunciation. as compared to wines like Cos D'Estournel, Leoville Las Cases or even Ducru Beaucaillou. Palmer steep rise is price has mostly been in the last 10-15 years because the quality of the wine has improved so much but the time to catch this as a rising star is over. If you would have started buying Palmer in the early 2010s, you would have caught an underpriced wine. I see that type of potential now wines like Canon, Figeac and to a lesser extent Leoville Barton and Malescot St. Exupery. Also watch out for Lynch Bages after 2020, as they are just finishing up their brand new winery and fermentation facility. I believe their prices will skyrocket after the improvement of the quality of their wines. Keep watching and commenting!