This sounds really convincing if you don't know programming on a deep level. You use a programming language but what you're making is more like a schematic. It's like saying people won't need to know maths because we can just ask for answers. No that won't work because English is not specific enough. To describe a system and its functions you need to express it in a way that removes ambiguity. So you'll always need programmers

@tempname8263

2 ай бұрын

That only works when your requirments are very specific. But customers aren't like that. They just tell coders or AI what they want to see, and the rest to figure on their own. If they aren't satisfied with result, they tell to change it. To them, both programmers and AI are blackboxes, that do what they're told. And unfortunately, the latter type of a blackbox will become better and better over time, endangering not only programming in it's entirety as a job, but also all other jobs out there; since there is no law of physics saying that this can't be done, or that it has to take >100 years and we'll all be gone by then anyway. There is no need to lie to yourself; - we ARE screwed.

@CorneliusCornbread

2 ай бұрын

I mean... that is a _thing_ it's called discrete math. Where you use special syntax + english to describe functions, data, and sets of data. But that also means you're learning this special syntax of discrete math

@santo998

2 ай бұрын

​@@tempname8263finally, I see more and more messages of awake ppl

@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat

2 ай бұрын

０．０

@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat

2 ай бұрын

Nah we're fine @@tempname8263

NVIDIA is not "worth more than canada"... You are comparing NVIDIA's market cap (total value) to the Canadian GDP. Which is how much their economy outputs in a SINGLE YEAR. The equal comparison would be to compare NVIDIA's annual revenue to Canada's annual GDP.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@EpicSlug Agree, it's a bit an unfair comparison. But just the idea of something about a company becoming bigger than other something about an entire country like Canada, is fascinating.

@TheDoughGetta

2 ай бұрын

No one thought you were saying all of assets in Canada. The slide showed GDP

@jakobljosnes5535

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story But it's not though, it is also not fascinating when the entire concept is built on two completely different ideas.

@BoogiemanGamingHD

2 ай бұрын

Imagine AI creates a huge bug that nobody knows how to fix but us the irony in that lol , which it does as a coder AI has made my job worst in some cases

@ghhdgjjfjjggj

2 ай бұрын

​@@BoogiemanGamingHDthat's actually a mind-blowingly interesting thought... I never thought of that... That's very true

The tech layoffs were more to do with over hiring while the world was hit by Covid and huge demand for tech. Now there is not the same demand, and employees were laid off. Along with various economics issues, and drop in share prices.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@clivemajor2389 That's the official version.

@clivemajor2389

2 ай бұрын

And correct when you research it!!

@Ali-cf5lm

2 ай бұрын

I completely agree with you. Before implementing AI fully into their projects, companies were not keen on laying off employees. They anticipated a longer duration for the pandemic, expecting that people would continue avoiding outdoor activities even post-COVID. Consequently, large tech firms, such as META, hired more staff than necessary, keeping them on standby in case competitors attempted to hire them. Specifically, META invested heavily in areas such as virtual reality and avatar creation, but these initiatives have ultimately not been successful. Many employees, particularly at META, where some developers reportedly did not write a single line of code for months after being hired, were kept as reserves for future projects. Unfortunately, these future projects did not come to fruition, leading to significant layoffs.

@akam9919

2 ай бұрын

That and also bad tax legislation that basically made the cost of R&D, instead of being a deductible expense, an amortized cost. This is also why it is so hard many people in tech to get a job. AI is not the reason for these layoffs. It's the result of a bad market and an aweful tax code that stifles innovation.

@paraax

2 ай бұрын

So many companies were just sitting on software engineers for no good reason. Twitter didn't suddenly get AI. Twitter has a need to cut down to it's true needed footprint. I guarantee you other companies are in similar situations. The AI the companies I am involved with is not capable of replacing most people, so if that is the reason the layoffs are premature.

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." - Prof. Al Bartlett

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@liberty-matrix Because our brain was not designed for it. You don't meet exponential processes too often in savanna.

@ledevin2304

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story well there is one : fire

@matthewcarroll2533

2 ай бұрын

@@ledevin2304 Pretty big one, even. lol I do like that quote, though.

@Axiomatic75

2 ай бұрын

This is so true. I've been dealing with exponential functions a lot in my life so technically speaking I "understand" them. But I don't, not really. When I encounter them out there in the world I'm just as clueless as someone who has never heard about exponential functions.

@beryllium1932

2 ай бұрын

Bartlett's essays were really cool. I read this quote first with the one where he explores the plight of bacteria in a half-empty bottle at like 11:59 when their doubling rate is 60 sec. They were really optimistic, given all that room they had. Kind of a micro-scale doomsday clock!

is much easier to develop an Ai to replace a CEO, than to replace a Coder.

@_FFFFFF_

2 ай бұрын

That was nvidias tech demo two years back.

@seriessplayer62747

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately that’s not true, unless it’s an experienced coder. If it’s just a kid out of college, then no.

@TheSulross

2 ай бұрын

much of the federal govt could be replaced by AI - the Federal Reserve System should be entirely ran by AI - most of income tax processing should now be AI - with a much smaller cadre of humans to handle certain exceptions. Many of the federal govt agencies could probably be downsized by 70 percent or so. That would be huge savings, a fairer system in its operation, thus curtailing much of the human corruption and abuse afflicted by these agencies

@theAmazingJunkman

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSulross An AI is only as partial or impartial as the data used to train it, and it isn’t 100% certain for ANY output it gives. What you are suggesting is a terrible idea.

@TheSulross

2 ай бұрын

@@theAmazingJunkmanNot really, there are people going at Google's gemini and breaking through some of its programmed censorship. Turns out you can engage it in a way and wear it down and actually start to flip it. There are fundamental levels of the AI that are hard to rig because it would impact the actual functioning to where would render the system defective in a way that could be easily exposed. And the competition is going to be fierce. The companies that try to dumb down their AI with lots of censorship and social engineering BS are going to find it difficult to compete against those systems that don't do that. You do realize there are also scads of open source LLMs, and there are already turnkey systems being designed so that individuals can have very powerful AI that is on their private premise and totally under there individual control. What we'll see happening is a battle between open source AI in the hands of the public that will be pitted against corporate proprietary and govt AI so as to effectively fact check them. And there are going to be large swaths of industry usage to where a rigged, dishonest AI isn't going to fly and will get exposed, and that will be crippling to the company or party trying to promote it. That already happened to Google with gemini. They took a huge blow in stock valuation on account of it. They keep that kind of thing up and it will get worse - to the point they could become a has been in the AI race. Public domain AIs are how the public at large are going to fight back.

i wonder how many companies will be willing to let the entire responsability of their code base in the hands of another company. What if NVIDIA says, "sorry your account does not comply with our standards , therefore you can no longer use it to edit or fix bugs in you app written with our online app"

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@sylvainbodji1124 I don't think they will have a choice. It is almost like Google. You're either in, or you are out.

@shin-ishikiri-no

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story The difference is with coders being laid off, they have more opportunities to build up the competition.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@shin-ishikiri-no You mean coders will be able to create competition ti NVIDIA?

@FrazyNondoTV

2 ай бұрын

​@Scripter_story companies still have a choice. Especially finance companies who don't need sophisticated algorithms but need high security

@MatthewCleere

2 ай бұрын

Once an AI model is trained, it exists as merely a few GB of data. This can be used off-line making it completely secure. Data security concerns are not going to be a problem, at least not for proprietary reasons (although AI cracking all encryption will definitely be a problem)

Whoever let their employees go because of some tech bro hyp, deserve the struggles that will follow.

@numalesoybea1348

2 ай бұрын

Or they will get filthy rich as AI is the real deal

@Lolerburger

2 ай бұрын

​@@numalesoybea1348 current AI doesn't solve big problems that developers tackle on a regular basis. If you've used AI as a programmer you know the thing needs babysat every response or it will quickly pile up garbage that will make your project unusable.

@numalesoybea1348

2 ай бұрын

@@Lolerburger every programmer who uses it knows it's better than the average programmer. It's only limit right now is its context size. In a couple of years programmers and possibly all types of engineers will be replaced.

@Lolerburger

2 ай бұрын

@@numalesoybea1348 No... it lacks basic problem solving skills. It knows more facts than the average programmer, but your average programmer has 1000x the problem solving ability. Maybe AGI will change that, but it will take nothing short of human-level or above AGI to replace programming. Programming is just generalized problem solving in the computer domain.

@williamflynn7527

2 ай бұрын

@@numalesoybea1348 If this omnipotent AI is all knowing, then why can you go back to it 3 minutes later will generate a completely different answer? Replace engineers... 🤣 I am someone with a background in industrial automation. AI doesn't stand a snow ball's chance in hell to replace engineering in its entirety. What might replace is - is a bunch of grifters.

I went from doing System Engineering and Network Engineering for 13 years to teaching myself how to program and started my own business, and after 4 years of programming went into "cloud" computing and learned kubernetes, after 3 years of that, open source llm's became available, 1.5 years later and here we are with open source llm's that are almost as good as gpt4 and some better in certain areas. Knowing how to program is still critical to know because that's how the llm's will improve until they become self recuring learning agents. Then programmers will need to transfer from programming, to prompt engineering.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@chieftron this is an impressive path of a warrior!

@philipkumi2759

2 ай бұрын

I am a network engineer and find it difficult to learn programming...is there any hope and guidance brother

@timtanhueco1990

2 ай бұрын

To being a cyborg the,selves due to the AGI and ASI industrial revolution hahahah

@chieftron

2 ай бұрын

@@philipkumi2759 I started by learning how to program from making scripts in lua for FiveM. My suggestion would be to find something you're passionate about, and start from there. Make meaningful products for you that you're interested in. This will keep you more motivated to learn, and when you do achieve something it will feel wonderful because then you have an actual use for what you just built. Also, microdosing psylocibin mushrooms can greatly help as well. At least it did for me. lol

@LunnarisLP

2 ай бұрын

LLMs are still dumb as fuck as well. I once asked one to provide me with a decently simple algorithm on self supervised learning and specified the parameters it needed. The best it could do was offer me some sample code with very limited value. Now idk how good chatgpt is compared to the best LLMs we currently have when it comes to coding, but I feel like the more complicated things get the less useful these LLMs are. Like they are really cool when it comes to answering questions and so on, but they have their limitations and flaws.

I still think natural language is too ambiguous to replace coding. The word "fuck" can mean so many things. You can't have that in coding.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@calvink.4511 I think it is not long before AI invents new meanings for the word "fuck".

@denisstepanenko3037

2 ай бұрын

It means -revert latest changes

@karenmkrtumyan6902

2 ай бұрын

The thing is that you as a developer are still told in natural language what to do, and then essencially after some thinking translate that idea into some programming language. I don't see why a "smart" LLM can't achieve that if not already, just in a few years.

@calvink.4511

2 ай бұрын

@@karenmkrtumyan6902 yea but you are able to ask it to do something because you code so you know it's capabilities. At first principle, computer works with binaries, yes and no, 1 and 0. There is no Inbetweens and no grey area. Natural language has a lot of grey area.

@karenmkrtumyan6902

2 ай бұрын

@@calvink.4511 no, it's we that know what to ask for now, but it will behave as a really smart person interfacing with the world, and do the deeds behind the scene later as a human would, just cheaper. All we do as programmers is taking natural language and old code as input, and producing natural language and code as output. I can't think of a reason why it's not possible for an LLM to do just that. Sure, it won't be perfect at first, but humans are far from perfect too. I believe that in a few months, with the next version of GPT, autonomous tools like Devin will become much more usable.

This is how the computers they hired at NASA must’ve felt getting replaced by a computer lol

@kenydemeza

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@chrisstucker1813

2 ай бұрын

Except those people probably pivoted into other roles like programming and data analysis since they were smart asf. For them, the computer simply enhanced their abilities ten fold

@worawatli8952

2 ай бұрын

@@chrisstucker1813 Yea, it's like giving a calculator to complete idiots, they will not make correct calculations, still need someone with deep knowledge. This clickbait video is just clickbait fearmongering.

@chrisstucker1813

2 ай бұрын

@@worawatli8952 yup, I doubt nasa like were “yeah time to let all these smart people go”. Instead it was “get these people a computer each, we going to the moon”

@jamesclark2663

2 ай бұрын

"Computors"

The amount of bullcrap to sell a new large language model... AI is as contaminating as NFTs

Good luck debugging that. Also, a game or photo is nice, but useless unless you can build around it some way of monetizing all of it. Usually games are multi player, there are credit card processing, takes tens of thousands of man hours and testing. How are you going to deal with customer service issues when the software takes their money and isn't giving them access?

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@KarasCyborg Debugging and lack of transparency will be the main initial challenge. Which is why the technology will be first deployed in non-critical areas. And then a debugging NIM will appear...

@MatthewCleere

2 ай бұрын

If I had a dime for every time I saw someone say "AI can't debug!" Sorry to disappoint you, but yes it can. And it is only getting better at it, and not at a linear speed of improvement, but exponential.

@KarasCyborg

2 ай бұрын

​@@MatthewCleere Do you even know what you are saying? If it could do that, every code repo on Github would go through an AI one-pass Debug and the entire defect forum would be wiped out. Haven't quite seen that, have you?

@MatthewCleere

2 ай бұрын

@@KarasCyborg I didn't say it was on GitHub... YET. But I have literally pasted error statements into Claude and it immediately read the error, explained what it meant, explained how to fix it, and then spit out code fixing it. This is CURRENT technology. This could be automated to scale right now fairly simply without any improvements in AI at all. Add exponential improvements in AI and you will have your full service automated debugging service quite soon, Sir. Very soon. Of course they will want to make money off of that, so don't expect it to just fix the entire GitHub. Lol.

@rkrams1989

2 ай бұрын

​@@Scripter_story it won't be able to keep up with newer stuff atleast for the foreseeable future, ask it code a cube in js inside a index HTML it will do well, now ask it to do the same thing but using webgpu, it spits out error after error even after many tries it couldn't fix it by itself despite me giving it debugging data as well as tell it what to do. This is a niche example but webgpu is popular. Now imagine the same thing for various custom software and applications. It will get there someday but I feel like this ai wave is more fluff than stuff.

in a gold rush only the shovel seller makes becomes rich

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@morphtek You've just nailed it.

@gavinlew8273

2 ай бұрын

Only to realise there's no gold at all!

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

The men who supply the camps with pleasure women, alcohol, and drugs also make out like bandits. Servicing the vices of the wealthy is always profitable.

@edelweis303

2 ай бұрын

@@gavinlew8273Which is why the shovel seller becomes rich! they are not digging for gold, they advertise their shovel that capable of digging the potentially imaginary gold and successfully sold their shovel to those greedy bastards! What's funnier is that they are not really selling their shovel if you think about it, they are just renting their shovels for others to use.

@CodingGeek101

2 ай бұрын

​@@gavinlew8273 and the shovel is a stone with decoration

This will be a monopoly. Also, I wonder it is efficient to run the whole LLM just for a simple application (if the LLMs serve as application we want to create). It is like shooting an ant with a rocket.

@stepananokhin693

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. We will still need to make the model to actually write the code for the sake of efficiency. But this doesn't change anything from the labor market perspective.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@randomforest_dev I was thinking about it - we will probably have one big western AI and one other big Chinese AI. And everything else (including governments) will be just branches of these two models.

@abhishekrbhat8919

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story Lmao sounds like the series, "Person of Interest"

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@abhishekrbhat8919 True)

That dream that an artifact will reach a level of intelligence so that it can program itself according to our directives has been a consistent dream since antiquity. The truth is that humans remain the prime mover, and will continue to do so for long time yet. We are consistent at putting the cart before the horse throughout history.

@TheGalantir

26 күн бұрын

The problem with that is once we are no longer the prime mover we're done and over with. Because if it becomes the prime mover, it becomes it's own prime objective. At that point the human is just a thing in the way of it's prime objective.

So what are people supposed to do to make money? It’s not just programmers that will be replaced. I couldn’t imagine paying a financial advisor or analyst, or accountant, lawyer and eventually doctors

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@Ynerson9003 Exactly. This is a trillion... No, what is after trilllion? Quadrillion dollar question.

@gabydewilde

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_storyThe zero dollar question

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@gabydewilde Precisely)))

@horridohobbies

2 ай бұрын

Basic Universal Income.

@tiventiva7177

2 ай бұрын

It is not "eventually" doctors considering tbe cooperation between NVDIA and Hippocratic AI kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5tkz5qegprRYpc.htmlsi=drsmmLrthEwMt2kd

I believe that programmers should focus on the essence of programming. This is to communicate with the computer. AI is just the next step in the process. We are the most fast paced industry in the world that constantly changes, and if you are not willing to adapt you will find yourself obsolete without knowing what happened.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

Nobody argues about adaptation. The question is adapt into which direction?

@entium1

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_storyok , don't attach reducing employees to stock market prices. Most people coming out of colleges don't have the same coding capabilities compared to programmers from 15 or 20 or 30 years ago. It takes a good 5 years for new programmers to get the same experience of those guys when they got out of college. This is the nature of how kids are taught today. They need to go back to how they were taught before, where they were able to think out of the box early on and show AI what they want. You still need the same people just they need to be capable of understanding software development

@AK-ox3mv

2 ай бұрын

​​@@Scripter_storyadopt into specialization. Focus on one industry that Ai can impact and learn that industry

@horridohobbies

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. But writing code, especially with languages such as C/C++, Java, JavaScript, and Python, will go the way of the dinosaurs.

@valenrn8657

2 ай бұрын

Why? Should Nvidia diisallow competing AI solutons?

Real Software development is neither about coding nor building a snake game. It's very different and those who work on real software dev knows that. NVIDIA is selling its product by claiming "coding" is obsolete.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@sabyasachimitra5719 And, I think, they have been quite successful doing that so far)

@jeanchindeko5477

2 ай бұрын

Taking Ostrich posture with the head in the sand doesn’t change the thing unfolding in front of our own eyes. Pretending they is a cast of real software engineering which will be protected from the evil AI is just laughable! The challenge here is not AI, but corporate greed. Organisation in all industries are becoming more and more financial institutions there to cash as mush in the shortest amount of time. So anything that will give them the power to do so, they will take it. AI is giving them the opportunity to cut in one of the biggest cost in organisation: software developer. For now AI is only augmenting developers productivity and tomorrow it will replace them all in all. AI researchers have already proven than coding gives AI new emerging abilities, so do you think they will not push further to the point it can replaced developers?

@josephaggrey9972

2 ай бұрын

This is the point. I laugh when people say, human beings who are creating these so called intelligent machines are by themselves going to be replaced by their products. It’s absurd. These guys are marketing their products.

@kmoney53

2 ай бұрын

The problem is that we've programmed AI to "think". this "thinking" I'm referring to is much different than following a set of orders or algorithm. Deterministic Algorithms have weaknesses, biases and key tells that we can always pin-point. Non-Deterministic Algorithms, that utilizes Deterministic tools and vast information about the world, it drastically reduced the gap between AI code and human thinking

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@kmoney53 This "non-deterministic" path was pre-determined (unavoidable).

I still see adverts saying there is a shortage of coders. I'm getting mixed messages here. After this maybe i should start growing potatoes.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@DavidThomas-fb8bq Indeed))

@ritsukasa

2 ай бұрын

even growing potatoes may be hard, authorities are setting too many requirements in agriculture, they can't even manage the dystopia they fantasize about

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@ritsukasaAnd who knows how good AI will be at growing potatoes...

@zoeherriot

2 ай бұрын

There is still a shortage of coders, at the more skilled end. And the reason entry level programmers are not required as much is not because of AI but because of a glut of inexperienced programmers. AI is coming, but it’s mostly hype right now, and will be for some time.

@DavidThomas-fb8bq

2 ай бұрын

@@zoeherriot how are inexperienced coders going to get up to speed and become more skilled? If I knew how to code or got taken on by a company I'd be happy. Get experience and go freelance or set up my own company.

Hopefully one day it will get good enough to move things forward, but right now Nvidia and OpenAI are hiring developers like crazy lol

@azhuransmx126

2 ай бұрын

It will not last

@iamanderson

2 ай бұрын

There are a lot of companies hiring us to get rid of us, recently I've been contacted for one of such recruitment processes, it seems that the work consisted in training and refine how this generative models approach programming, sadly I couldn't pass the initial test, it consisted of a non that common algorithm, kind of FAANG or MAANG level, very theoretic manipulation of data, arrays, I didn't saw something like that before, but, I think we as developers, at least the ones that we have many years of experience we are capable to do many, many things outside of "pure coding" and sadly they are just focusing on that part, that's in my opinion a big mistake In the real world the clients, the people don't even know what they want, and we can propose solutions based on previous experience, and I think the AI can do this only with the same "experience", they have to develop many "successful projects", feeding them with data like github commits is not going to help them because they would need to find a link between code and success, and that "ambiguous", so, for now I think we are safe, maybe in a couple of years an AI can code like a dev, anyways is not going to be able to do "everything" that a dev does We are problem solvers, and at this point even the best in GPT-4 and Claude get stuck many times with small problems, I think they're going to produce the next WordPress or No-code like set of tools (someone said Devin), and even considering that those are very useful, they didn't replace us, they only incremented the demand of devs, we are still going to be needed to "fix" what these models are going to produce, maybe in 2, 5 or 10 years the things can change if they launch something that isn't already ready for the public, but I don't think they are near to replace a dev, they can't even replace a "pure coder"

@EngenheirUber

2 ай бұрын

@@azhuransmx126 there is stability in the coders game.

@professorfroopynoopers1171

2 ай бұрын

No they're not, if you look at the jobs they offer, every single one has incredibly steep requirements and they're almost perpetually open, never filled because they want super senior ultra expert unicorns. All the posting are for very high level roles because they are in fact phasing out any positions that are close to entry level thanks to AI filling those gaps, they only need unicorn humans for directing and high level strategy, a couple seniors to oversee and tweak things, that's it. The job market is fucked.

@MaybeLoveHate

2 ай бұрын

@@professorfroopynoopers1171 I mean, what use does Nvidia or OpenAI have with entry level code jobs haha? Just not the market for that. But they are hiring high level code jobs as expected.

when was the last time you were debugging copilot's code?

@SahilP2648

2 ай бұрын

You mean the boilerplate non application specific code it generates? Lol. And sometimes you do need to debug its code or you need to tell the error at least in order for it to figure out and correct itself.

Big tech is laying off people because it had too many of them after the pandemic. The pandemic was great for Big Tech, working from home meant a revolution of companies moving to the cloud. They needed a lot of IT staff to make this possible. But now? Things are going back to normal and you don't need the excess staff anymore. It has nothing to do with AI imho (for now). AI will have an effect, but mostly because developers become more efficient, generating boiler plate code etc. It might kill off junior jobs. The seniors will become AI whisperers 😅 I'm alteady using Copilot to generate code. Sometimes it makes no sense and it's annoying, but at times it's a real time saver. It will be hard to keep up with a developer who knows how to use AI to his / her advantage. THAT will cost jobs. One developer doing the work of 5 others.

Would it be affordable for a small to mid business or by individual?

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

Eventually, yes.

@mdzidane9620

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_storynot for 3rd world countries

@vinayj1763

2 ай бұрын

Should we just buy 3-5 acres of irrigable land and go live there without any hassle, anyways software engineering is too complex

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@vinayj1763 This might be a good idea, assuming you do not overpay for this land, and you enjoy living there.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@mdzidane9620 There will be a point, where it will become highly scalable. So, it will be for 3rd world countries, too. It will affect everybody, but in different ways.

Thank you for that insightful video. I get the gist of it. I am a coder by myself, mainly coding in C# and VB, and there are a few questions open to me. OK, the model becomes the game... or the app... then the question is, once that "software" is created, will it remain stable or will it change with every prompt you give it? How long will it take to run until it gives an output, and how many tokens (= money) will each run use up? And will the code be able to go beyond a given complexity? Right now, I can use free models such as ChatGPT or Copilot to create very simple code snippets where the question mainly is "how do I do that?", like opening or saving a file from C# or accessing a specific kind of database. The code I'm writing myself is far more complex though, and the question is how and if a LLM can reliably code, or transform into, something like this. But maybe some of these questions are answered in that NVIDIA 2-hour talk which I haven't watched yet...

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@KurtWoloch The models are already able to adapt - they change based on previous steps and data. It is like a pre-trained base model and get's additional layers based on previous interactions.

@TheBest-sd2qf

2 ай бұрын

​@@Scripter_storyso they just create the final executable or what?

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

@@TheBest-sd2qf The current generation of AI does write code. Bad code, but it's still code.

@mateiacd

2 ай бұрын

@@TheBest-sd2qf Will the new AI generated apps be running on a new AI based runtime framework, like Java or .NET are today ? Will the current programming languages be replaced by some new AI oriented programming languages ?

@TheBest-sd2qf

2 ай бұрын

@@mateiacd I dont know

NIMs as NVIDIAs Interference Microservices are like different LLMs working together towards a goal like Multiagent Systems. There are many jobs arisng from that, who builds the workflow, who trains the LLMs, who knows the APIs of the LLMs and so on. And inbetween all that there willl be many many code.

Thank you for the video! It's a paradigm changing as always. Looking forward to your next video.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

What you didn’t realize is NVIDIA has been on a hiring spree for said coders even though AI is the goal. They are telling consumers not to become coders/developers etc yet going out of their way to get the talent pool to create further AI initiatives. Why not use your AI lol cause it don’t work the way they imagine it to.

Bro I am currently 16 years old and want to be in robotics and ai and ml But I am worried that by the time I graduate college there willn't be need for engineers because of AGI or AI. Any tips

@cristianandrei5462

Ай бұрын

Go for it bro, don't think about it. If such a system will be created, everyone will lose their job except for a few odd ones. But, until then, people have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

Title misleading. Nothing to do with a new Programming Language

Then why does my voice to text not understand basic grammar?

What I cannot see with this concept is how is it going to do updates? I can imagine that it would use huge amount of resources for such operations.

How do you capture that game and distribute it? How do you customize it? How do you specify complex requirements?

Can Nvida's new AI create GPU drivers for AMD GPUs?

@md.mostafakhan4529

2 ай бұрын

🤣

@matthewcarroll2533

2 ай бұрын

I wish, then I could just buy AMD GPU's and save myself a fortune.

@vinayj1763

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely not, there are millions of applications running on licensed software from SAP and other tech companies, they won't even allow their documentation go public, now they are on safer side, most of the AI data is from public sourced data.

@valenrn8657

2 ай бұрын

@@vinayj1763 My statement is against NVidia CEO's claims.

@valenrn8657

2 ай бұрын

@@vinayj1763There's on-premise AI i.e. buy Blackwell AI GPUs and related software stack for on-premise generative AI.

That's an accurate reading of the presentation. I haven't seen any other content creator talking about that. Mr. Jensen literally told us that to our faces! After many years of self-learning software development, I've completed a few freelance jobs, but I'm still struggling to find my first developer job at a company. This really concerns me. I'm really looking forward to your next video. I hope you reach 1 million subscribers soon, Mr. William. Thank you.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, Martin. It's not the easiest time to be a developer, indeed. Wish you luck. P.S. And thanks for reminding me about the presentation.

@wforbes87

2 ай бұрын

Hi Martin, consider adding an email address to your youtube profile. After reading your comment I was tempted to contact you and request your resume. Finding a developer job without prior years of dev job experience will be challenging. It was for me. For many, it requires an extremely outsized effort on your part to apply to as many jobs as possible, in as personal a manner as possible - cold calling/messaging/email recruiters and individuals working at the companies your interested in. Right now AI driven bots are flooding many dev recruiters, hiring managers, etc. with applications and resumes so you need to do what you can to stand out with a more human approach. I don't mean to undercut the premise of this video, but we will need more developers now than ever before, and the dev job market already has an extreme lack of qualified talent. You need not worry about this Nvidia propaganda, you can expect to have 10-15 solid years of work ahead of you if you continually learn new skills and progress. 👍

@Blah888

2 ай бұрын

i'm just startingmy masters is programming still a good job will it be in the future job market or not ?@@Scripter_story

problem with skipping the coding is energy efficiency, it will always take more energy to run the inference model than to run the optimized code, how close you get is another story

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@wanfuse Human coding costs $10 per line. AI coding of comparable quality costs $0,01 per line. That is the real efficiency.

@wanfuse

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story I would counter argue two points, current state is the LLMs do not produce the most highly optimized code, especially in languages like C, C++, rust, although, python is slow and inefficient any way you cut it ( staple language of LLMs) --- that is not to say they wont get exponentially better. Second is efficiency, if easy to create is important, the limit gas been that the average coder is only slightly better than a coder with a few years experience, while superior coders and optimizers are rare, with LLMs we have the potential to produce optimized code every time. Efficiency becomes more and more relevant, in both energy and processing time. Thats my probably poor counter argument. Thanks for replying, it is greatly appreciated! At least till we get to polymorphic, analog or quantum stage, this holds true?

@msimon6808

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story And if that code is widely deployed it won't make much difference in final cost.

@soumyadeepdash4805

2 ай бұрын

@Scripter_story now tell me what about the programming on microcontroller which requires highly optimized code due to the small size, are we gonna deploy an AI model on that along with a crazy big hardware😂

@wanfuse

2 ай бұрын

@@soumyadeepdash4805 no I mean a compression system that needs to be written in low level C code, heuristics, shift registers and simd, possibly cuda, but more likely not a good fit from my own tests

One of those "Not yet" sort of developments I think. The increase in accuracy and utility will come I am sure but one of the big reasons why coding is difficult is because, at its base, it relies on the ability of the coder to clearly define the problem that requires solving. Doing that with words is always too vague or requires acres of description and that will rather hamper AGI's ability to perform. EDIT: Ahh, I see others have already made similar points :)

AI still has a long way to go before it can really get a grip on complex software design and architecture. Speaking from experience, working on a project with a super complex design and dealing with tons of microservices, there's no way AI is helping us out with this any time soon. It would need to get to the point where it can actually join our daily meetings and discussions. Until then, it's pretty much a long shot.

Hi, nice video. So, AI won't generate code in this or that specific language, but it will generate a "pure" software. How do I google this concept?

@marcelo123456789lope

2 ай бұрын

Not to mention how inefficient it would can to run simple apps like a CRUD form in an expensive model deployment. I believe the gen ai will output classic code and we will continued to deploy it the way we deploy today

@marcelo123456789lope

2 ай бұрын

Too expensive to have snake games running on top of AI deployments… gen AI will surely output code, not run it

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

@@marcelo123456789lope It would be like Visual Age for Smalltalk that required 15Mb of memory to run a "Hello, world!" program when developers' PC's typically had 8Mb of memory and end users' computers had 4Mb or less.

@mateiacd

2 ай бұрын

​@@marcelo123456789lope Like anything new, it is very expensive in the beginning (today). But the total automation of software application development will become cheaper as times goes by.

@scripter I can see the concept you are communicating, but I have a question. If an AI produces a snake game without that game having code, then what does the game run on? The AI would need to produce code to run on a computer right? Operating systems need to be given code to create a program...right?

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@JasonWhittle1 yes, you right. But for those operating systems you don't need millions human coders.

@SkySentry7

2 ай бұрын

Exactly, I just asked this question before seeing your comment. Its just making people panic, don't worry of programming vanishing anytime soon. We will se other jobs vanish first we aren't on the first queue we're at the end of it

@seansanb5527

2 ай бұрын

I was wondering the same thing. Hard for me to grasp for now how to create a game (or any digital product) without writing the code first.

@SahilP2648

2 ай бұрын

​@@Scripter_story asking an LLM to create a snake game is not worth anything since pretty much all LLMs have been trained on human code which has snake game in different repositories. Instead what you would want to see an LLM doing is to add more snakes (after eating food) which can randomly turn and turn into an obstacle for the main snake (different snake colors). If an LLM can do this with little to no debugging or engineering then we are getting somewhere.

Frankly is all bluff for VCs. ChatGPt 4 can't even generate a proper json file.

@thevikingsock8527

2 ай бұрын

now. You dont get it, you cant judge it by the quality it has now. Its about where it will go and just going by the progress over the last year well...

@JorgeIvanovich

2 ай бұрын

@@thevikingsock8527 LLM cant escalate forever,the more data its gets the more can make wrong predictions.

Complete non-sense.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@CodingGeek101

2 ай бұрын

​@@Scripter_story how much code did you write last night?

@ghty-kw7hm

2 ай бұрын

Cope

@CodingGeek101

2 ай бұрын

@@ghty-kw7hm buddy you definitely aren't a programmer. If you were you'd had known what are the limitations of these ai chatbots

Are you sure they fired coders? Most fired people were not into tech dev but HR and commercial positions.

@maervo4179

2 ай бұрын

He has no clue what he is talking about, the layoffs were also only because they employed too much people while corona.

@techampgaming6001

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, someone who actually knows what they are talking about. The layoffs were not and are not due to coding being extinct and the advant of new AI tech, but because of extra hiring that was not needed. Media plays a huge role and people are very gullible @@maervo4179

@bluex217

2 ай бұрын

I also heard there were a lot of Crypto related layoffs, though I'm not sure how much of a percentage it is relative to the sum of tech layoffs as a whole.. Isn't that funny though, all those Crypto centric positions which were opened around and slightly before COVID. Why? Because "Blockochain", you know, the BUZZ word in the tech industry about 4 years ago that, like always, is overhyped. And, what's the current BUZZ word in the tech industry? "AI" 🤡🙃

@manw3bttcks

2 ай бұрын

@@maervo4179I"m a bit puzzled too, even if these fancy AI chips work, they actually have to be in available products, get sold to companies which then have to adapt their processes to use them. Even if the AI is great, there's ton's of bureaucracy involved with changing things. I was working at a place that was using ClearCase for god sakes, I tried to convert their CC to git but found that it's very difficult to do that and retain history. So what I mean is there are lots of slow managements out there. I really doubt these blackwell chip is causing layoffs this soon. Maybe in 2027 or later.

Let me put it this way: When AI will be able to 'replace' coders, shortly after it will be able to perform * all * jobs no matter the difficulty as it already surpassed the sum of human intelligence & knowledge anyway (exponential growth). That is the same moment where * money * as a concept of goods & services exchange currency, basis of the world economy, will NEED to be revised across the world as it will become irrelevant. People can work - but not for money - and only if they want to.

@Scripter_story

29 күн бұрын

@dorusan Agree with you 108%. As a matter of fact, in a scifi book I am currently working on, there is a society of scientists with scientific achievements playing the role of "money".

Im waiting developers of open ai being fired

what a bunch of nonsense. 😂

@Dan-oj4iq

2 ай бұрын

Those are the same words that the Wright brothers heard.

So in order to progress we have to learn it rather than use it to became a customer of NVIDEA. Likewise, I did from now on but the problem is from where I can learn this. Is this available on any coding platform for free, please suggest if did.

In order to train the model you need to "digitise" the domain area you want to model first, so you can then gather gazillions of data to feed the neural network. For LLMs, images, videos - this is easy, as you just have string tokens, pixel values, etc. For something like game development there is no easy way to do it at the moment, and it's for sure not as easy as you make it sound. I'm not saying that's not how it'll unfold, but if ever, it'll take a lot of time to get there.

Well, code is needed, because running an enormous NN for a snake game is not efficient. But having a NN type a program is efficient. Besides, although the dimensionality reduction and amplification are indeed powerful, they are not inherently logic based, and that leads to error, because it is just an approximation, not the exact equation that solves everything. Don't take me wrong, AI can replace everyone on this planet with enough development. As all of that happens, well either adapt or perish.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@kepler_22b83 Adapt. We need to adapt.

@bluex217

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_storyOr we can always just recognize when something causes more harm than good, and prohibit the widespread use of something that is objectively detrimental. Nah, that makes too much sense for it to make sense to over 7 billion people....

For the love of God, you guys have you ever seen a real production ready project in your life, and have you ever tried to write codes with gpt. Do you think that programming is simply writing codes?! No, there are so many layers of complexities in it. Do you think that one instance of GPT or Devin will replace the whole field. Eventually, these AI agents need to be developed, orchestrated, and maintained by developers. Oh, by the way, after emerging AGI, I can assure you no one will be able to use it except the big companies, so do not rely on that.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@omidnoorshams4280 Coders are already addict to Co-Pilot and ChatGPT, even in their current "non-perfect" stage. Fast forward a few years, and the picture becames fairly clear.

@omidnoorshams4280

2 ай бұрын

@Scripter_story First of all, your title is "lost." Now you are saying fast forward. Secondly, again, programming is not just writing a code snippet the whole orchestration is much more complicated and important.

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

When you consider the changes in U.S. tax laws which require amortization of development costs over 5 years for software developed within these United States and over 15 years if developed in another country, there will be no small software development companies. No small startup can survive when only 20% of its expenses on developer salaries can be written off per year. This will make companies look very profitable but will generate negative cash flow.

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story I'd hate to see the garbage software being churned out by development teams which are using code written by CoPilot or ChatGPT.

When “talk-ie” movies came along, what did all the violinists (the ones who would improvise LIVE music while a Silent Movie played) do?

I get how this is good for some situations but how do you maintain, update, change and adapt the application made by this tool. Customers always seem to want or not want different features I wonder if this will end up as better at meeting business needs.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@daveman9468 You just ask the model to do an update.

You are absolutely correct. It’s fascinating to watch the reactions of current ‘software engineers’ to Generative AI. No, the point is NOT that AI will write code better and faster. The point is that with generative models there will be NO CODE at all required to deliver apps. Ironically, systems that generate code like Copilot, Devin, etc are simply transitional and temporary. Fleeting artifacts that conventional software engineers compare themselves with. The irony is delicious.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

And scary

@abadyr_

2 ай бұрын

Ridiculous take. There will still be layers of code behind the strings of letter you type to the LLM and the LLM processing these strings. And sometimes, when the IA screw up or simply when we need to make sure it did not, people will need to dig into the code to fix the mess or figure it out. Besides, AI cannot adopt new tools or improve the tools (and data) it uses. It can only copy and past old data and mix it with other old data. Developers will have to maintain and update "AI apps", and to monitor the AI tools evolution.

@entium1

2 ай бұрын

@@abadyr_this is true, AI will not take away anyone's job for now. It needs to learn from what is already been done, and it can't teach itself anything more.

These videos only focus on big tech and completely out of touch as the majority of the software engineers jobs are come mid large size or small startups, big tech is only like 5%. It’s totally misguiding the beginners and turn them into following all the KZread cults

@iulianalexandrudragan5531

2 ай бұрын

“5%”, source?😂

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@reptileandad BigTech is employing the vast majority of leading edge coders. Plus BigTech was what kept coding salaries so high. Remove BigTech, and it all falls apart.

@AllioNeo

2 ай бұрын

Well now all those small and mid size companies have tons of extra talent they can hire for less.

@watherby29

2 ай бұрын

​@Scripter_story i don't care about salary as long as I have a room with a laptop and internet and mattress and some basic food

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@watherby29 Still, competing for these basic necessities with a machine is not a very pleasant experience.

How did this game created ? Its uses another coding system ? Or its just visual generation ? What about network and internet gaming ?

@OnigoroshiZero

2 ай бұрын

Video Games are literally interactive images/movies that respond to user input in very specific ways based on the genre, setting, and game design. There will be no need to even develop games within 2 years, because there will be models capable to generate interactive images in real-time, and they already know the concepts behind game design, and how game mechanics work. People will just choose a genre, a setting, and maybe provide additional information about what they want to play, and these models will immediately start emulating the game for them. And the user will be able to ask for changes or additions on-demand as he plays, and the model will just generate the appropriate images/video to accommodate.

@pavelyankouski4913

Ай бұрын

@@OnigoroshiZero As its was expected. Probably, more advanced games will be the same as current games, but generated with more advanced AI systems or mix of the systems. So its a new genre, visual generated games

@matrixgaming3906

Ай бұрын

@@OnigoroshiZero That's not feasible. It would be way too costly to run an AI for as long as the player wants to play. It's much more cost-efficient to generate the code of the game you want and then run the game code.

How exactly model going to become a program at request? as I understand it can be good enough for generating code but to run it? it need to be some kind of OS driven by AI as opposite to what we use now

@Scripter_story

19 күн бұрын

@meetarthur9427 The easiest way to see it is to imagine the GenAI model generating video stream that is changing based on real-time input. Yes, of course, the model will need OS that it can run on. That that OS is likely to be written in traditional code (at least at the early stage). But the program won't need the code. It will be just a flow of visuals. Hope this makes it more clear.

For me, today AI it's not able to make a unit testing for a small angular component...

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@valikonen Based on my experience, unit testing is not an issue

@horridohobbies

2 ай бұрын

That's not how AI will create software.

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story Why is that? I'm assuming it is because the AI generated software is so broken there is no need to perform unit testing.

Yeap, in the meantime I keep coding, good luck with the Terminator pal.

The issue with using prompts to code, is that there is information loss in simple requirements. An engineer gets to make thousands of fine tuned decisions to make the software using their experience. Im not saying AI cant do this, but I do think IA might still leverage the abstraction of legscy langauges to accomplish task, so prompt engineers can examine the cesign and make more granular suggestions of the solution.

I work in AI. These models are cool tools, but one must not overlook the extensive software required to make an AI microservice function. Additionally, the AI needs a new set of tools for every new application. Ultimately, it eliminates a lot of the busywork but also introduces numerous new challenges to be addressed. MLOps and locally hosting AI models on a client's machine will be the focal points for the next decade. Not to mention, Nvidia's stronghold on computing power is just ridiculous at this point, .....everyone is looking for more affordable alternatives.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@jayleo500 Agree with you - MLOps for on-prem LLM + GPU programming / CUDA seems like the areas where things will be happenning.

Gen ai isn't really good at coding though but it's damn good at creative art and writing. I can now write code and generate all the content and art. But I can't for the life of me get it to write production ready code.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@benjaminhon86 It is a question of a few years, if not months...

@outbook

2 ай бұрын

it will take some time but companies still do require coding for Maintenace and other aspects of SDLC.

@horridohobbies

2 ай бұрын

For now. AI is still in its infancy. Eventually, it will have ALL the capabilities of a human engineer.

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story I've been hearing such promises for more than 30 years. If I should live another 30 years, I'd still be hearing idle promises.

@gaiustacitus4242

2 ай бұрын

@@horridohobbies No, it won't. AI is not a true intelligence. It simply lacks creativity, instead making derivative works of the creations of others.

It’s a very cool concept, to go straight from a neural network to the game without needing code, but this is a trivial example. There are snake games that the model can be trained on, but the real challenge in software development are the business rules, which is where the complexity lies. Programming is fairly simple compared to business knowledge. It’s not often the case a developer can just go to a company and start writing code of any significance, because it takes time to learn the business. When the developer both understands the business and is good at writing code, then they become valuable. AI can write code better than humans in certain circumstances, particularly when the problem is well defined, but getting a well defined problem is where the difficulty lies. I’m sure AI will get better at that than humans, and it probably won’t take too long, but we’re not there now, baring technology that’s not publicly known yet.

@MadsterV

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. AI is great for well documented boilerplate. If you need anything novel you have to give step by step detailed instructions on what you want, and that's 90% of the way there. If all you do is regurgitating code from elsewhere according to a clear spec handed to you, yes you are replaceable. Actually writing that spec? no AI is gonna do that.

@ewallt

2 ай бұрын

@@MadsterV Not yet! I suspect that’s being worked on assiduously.

While AI can and will replace junior devs (and already has at a lot of companies), senior and above devs write less and less code and are essentially safe from AI. The bigger issue is how we are going to get more senior level devs if we don't hire and train junior devs anymore. Perhaps we will still get them but we won't have the great filter process we've had over the past few decades where a fraction of juniors become regulars, and a fraction of regulars become seniors, and a fraction of seniors become principles. It might be more of a direct jump from university to senior. Or, more likely, we all have the same number or programmers but everyone is 10x more effective.

Programming is creativity. An AI model could write something that already exists but not make things creative like a human. Or the humans will lose their creativity and only rely on already created stuff

Since I'm a researcher and was a professional HPC engineer on both GPUs and FPGAs I strongly oppose your point of view. The layoffs are not because the Neural network model can replace commercial software, but rather based on various facets of recent days. You seem very naive and don't understand the limits of generative models both optimization, reliability and legal aspects. Yes, it will replace some of the programming jobs. But, don't forget we are still creating new software that powers up generative AI!

As someone once said AI can only solve coding problems that have already been solved.

Wow. My mind is blown. Thanks for explaining this 💪💪

I'm a software engineer myself and will say this that ai is advancing really fast. Software engineers that use ai will replace software engineers that dont. Mostly all low level coders will be replaced. A high level engineer that uses ai will replace 10 low level coders example as ai context length and it's coding abilities increases their will be 1 software engineer fixing bugs instead of 10 or 20 . 1 high level engineer can design extremely complex systems with ai alone removing the need for a team. Most frontend work be replaced with ai. Best thing to do is learn to incorporate ai into your coding and grow with it not only will you be ahead of the curve but I promise you you will be a way better coder with ai by your side.

@fitforever9328

2 ай бұрын

Flutterwebbuilder I'm currently building all alone 1 man team. Ig is the name and so it the site. I can't type it or the comment will be removed.

Hey Nvdia! Please, make Call of Duty "Moonshot" vesrion!

Click bait alert 😂😂😂

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

I disagree

@user-mu1in6el5p

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story What's your next click bait video? Vision Pro will replace human heads?

@ghty-kw7hm

2 ай бұрын

Keep smoking that copium bud

Around the topic of "the model won't write code the model itself will become the program" - I mean I guess, but how do you suppose any program runs? The instructions have to be somewhere. Whether you're getting them from a remote server or running them locally the instructions are somewhere. The way we interact with computers is physical. We type, we scroll, we watch. Not everything can be a conversation.

@MatthewCleere

2 ай бұрын

Yes. I have said for years to people I work with that computer languages are not for the computer, they are for the programmer. This should be obvious, but I usually would get an "Ahhh..." moment from them. Theoretically AI could take our natural voice instructions, leverage modular patterns that reuse pre-existing optimized libraries and repositories and directly create binary code. It could then create high level representations like flow charts. It could write its own unit tests and display them at request, etc. Once we remove the need for a human to understand every line of code, there will be no need for any language except binary. The entire compilation step could be eliminated.

it is a fact that IA will replace us, its just a matter of time, it can be in 3, 5 or 10 years but no more, if the current speed at which AI advances is maintained, the maximum it will take is 10 years.

It sobering to realize that the last human software engineer has already been born.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@dirremoire Yes, very much so

You still need coders to build the AI.

@dwight4k

2 ай бұрын

What if the AI can build its own AI?

@timtanhueco1990

2 ай бұрын

Thus, self-serving Agent AIs are born.

@kamu747

2 ай бұрын

For now. Please look 15, 25, 50 years up the road, tell me what you see? But as you do that, keep in mind the technological jumps we have witnessed in the past 15,25,50 years (it'll inform your sense of possibilities)

@anatolian6269

2 ай бұрын

im a game producer and i don't think i'll hire a coder

So which area of coding do you suggest to learn to a neophite ? Which language ?

We can make Websites in Site Makers in few clicks, but we likewise pay to programmers to make it and serve for this

I don’t buy it. AI image generation still gives extra fingers, extra legs; Chat GPTs understanding is I believe genuinely worthy of the label “understanding,” but it’s context window is weak, and it’ll be a while before it does the right thing most every time. It’s still incapable of implementing a whole project for the vast majority of projects. There are a lot of problems and bugs. So before the cash register software is just written with the words “be a cash register,” the accuracy has to get to absolutely 100%. It’s more like the software today “pretends” to be a snake game. If apples appear suddenly or other snakes appear and disappear, that’s fine for pretending to be a snake game sure- but we need things that are perfect in industry. We need bugs that are solvable so that they do not arise in the future.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@LionKimbro First, this will be areas were reliability and precision are not critical requirements. And then, it will be everything else.

@LionKimbro

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story I agree with that, but I think it’ll be about 2035 before software that requires a high degree of precision (which is quite a lot!) is being written and used without much verification required on a routine basis.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@LionKimbro Partly agree. But BigTech is forward looking - once they know that they will need less coders say in 5 years, they will reduce hiring now.

Careful with the Jensen kool-aid that stuff can't be good for you

Great show! I am old enough to remember when the internet first came out, and we knew it was going to change everything. This feels like that but even more impactful! Amazing times we live in. Thank you.

Some people get, some don't, and some still live in denial.

Upon history, the calligraphers were paid handsomely. Then came a typing machine. These days, the programmers are paid handsomely. Now, AI is coming.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@klaymoon1 A good analogy.

i disagree, programmers are more important now more than ever... to continue to improve on the underlying code that powers all of this

@MingEr8

2 ай бұрын

They will need less coders over all.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@MingEr8 And they will be paying for coding much less.

@AdamFiregate

2 ай бұрын

Coding was not the task needed. Problem solving skills are needed and paid. 😉

@TheRealUsername

2 ай бұрын

Personally, I see AI taking our jobs inevitable, but AI give people power, productivity, process automation, probably now it's the best time to launch our own business. AI will accelerate the global GDP by allowing more people launch their businesses.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@@TheRealUsername Exactly. I think, running own business (ideally, AI-driven business) is one of the very few occupations that will remain being human.

What you mean "the model create the game" ? How is this game runs without code behind? How is that snake moving on the display by accepting the input commands from the keyboard? Give me a pratical example... The model can create the snake game but there is still code behind... "The model itself will become the game"...what you mean?

@qazyhn94

2 ай бұрын

"The model itself will become the game".. i LOLed so hard from this, this dude is completely delusional :D

We have now made AI in our own image. We’re definitely in trouble, as evil is part of that image. 😅

AI model improvment is on a logarithmic scale, considering how much power they already take to train that means to get them to levels to replace devs would require such an unfeasible amount of energy

Does this mean it is even worth learning to code on the side? I started late last year for a few days while between jobs, but once landing the new job, I got too busy and distracted with family and work life. I was just talking with my wife last week about picking it back up a few hours a week and then teaching our son and daughter the basics. The local high school also has basic classes for all students who are interested. I was thinking if the kids could learn some coding, they would have another oppertunity that could possibly try as adults if it interests them and have a leg up over some others just starting.

They always teach you not to use the go to command but at the machine language they use the go to command. Soon you realize that higher languages just make it more human friendly and less error prone.

The pace of advancement in A.I. and robotics is mind blowing. It is not hard to see someday soon jobs are going to be eaten up until there are none left.

@techampgaming6001

2 ай бұрын

There will always be jobs, new segements will be invented and yes some jobs will be replaced, but please stop exagerating with "all jobs". Just makes you look foolish

The problem: you cannot really predict the outcome na the flaws of the generated code. This might be true to a certain extend for human created code as well, but at least you have some sort of understanding of the capabilities and shortcomings of the person in front of you. You might not get this understanding of the AI in such a way that you might be able to convince it to produce the result you want to get. Or it might be just as tedious as it would be to write the software by yourself...

According to ChatGPT: "An Nvidia inference microservice is not meant to replace programming languages but rather to leverage specific hardware and software to efficiently run machine learning inference at scale. It's a specialized application of technology designed to optimize and deploy AI models in production environments. This kind of microservice is often part of a larger system architecture that includes various other microservices and components, each potentially written and running in different programming languages." So traditional programming languages will still be required in order to execute code. A AI model cannot "become" a programming language.

I have been hearing similar claims since the early 1800's. So, is it finally here?

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@cbbcbb6803 Immanuel Kant with his "thing in itself" started to suspect something as early as 1780s.

Do you happen to have linkedin or a git account on any platform ? Tried to find any traces of you as a programmer/coder, no traces were to be found. I saw a web link which doesn't work.

@antonkalashnikov572

2 ай бұрын

Yet you are positioning your self as a coder/programmer I suppose.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@antonkalashnikov572 William Topchiev is my pen name. And sometimes it feels like it has become the main one - the line between fiction (including sci-fi) and reality is blurring.

@user-ui8my9zs7o

2 ай бұрын

@@Scripter_story still don't public code under that name.

@antonkalashnikov572

2 ай бұрын

would be great if you gave some credentials to your work, thanks @@Scripter_story

If one of the original computer scientists from the 50s time traveled to today he would not call modern developers programmers or computer scientists. At most, he would compare them to construction workers assembling a house from prefab blocks. And he would not be wrong. And yet these people who make this assembly are very much needed.

how did you arrive at the number 210 000 coders? can you quote the sources? thanks

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

layoffs.fyi did a good job of keeping track of mass layoffs in tech (layoffs.fyi/). Since early 2023, there were 300k+ gone. Then you deduct non-devs like HR...

No way no one can replace coders.. Don't believe this😢

Mmmm yeah, so... it looks like we need to solve the problem of energy production because GPU powered solutions are incredibly expensive to power. What company is solving this problem? Or... am I wrong? Really enjoy your insight.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@bmanndotcom4023 Thanks. I think you are right - energy supply will be a bottleneck.

@geoattoronto

2 ай бұрын

And after solar EMP wipes pot all electrical infrastructure, digital memories and electronic communication we get to start over with farming!

You finally said the quiet part out loud

Just 50 years ago I played the first coin operated game, "Pong" at a restaurant. I and my friend were amazed. (This was during the era of pinball.) Now after just five decades, coding is becoming outdated. Unbelievable.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@waverly2468 Fascinating, indeed. A new spiral of evolution.

If so , most of the job will be wiped out. Like accountant, office worker , etc etc. It can’t be the future , or it will be horrendous for us normal people

3 years ago I worked together with some eastern european developers on a project. Basically my boiler plate stuff sped up by factor of 1000 and within a nice package. I had to spend some hours with them explaining the very complex engineering problem behind the data its analysis and iterating with them. And they were really worth their money. The true value of AI is freeing creative people like them from dull standard patterns or offering them some concise options and libs for speed testing. I think that is the way of AI: enabling developers to get more creative and focus on the customers needs.

so, how then do you propose to validate the wild west of open source prompts, custom LLMs, etc before you take them in? do you have any idea how hard it is to keep consistency and avoid breakage just managing open source now? this really just shifts the burden to the 3rd party providers a business uses to "automagically" make sound logic components.

@Scripter_story

2 ай бұрын

@KK-dv3wh Startups will figure it out. This is a whole new industry for them.