Great review Simon. Had the first Rally Pro in 20, and loved it. Vibrations didn’t bother me at all. Switched to new 1200 Rally Explorer and that hasn’t worked out at all. Stalling problems etc, so I’ve ordered the new 900 Rally Pro. Can’t wait now. Thank you👍

@motos-passion42

Ай бұрын

I'm in the same situation With GT pro version😮

Good review Mr Hargreaves, as usual! I've been interested to see what the reviewers think of the Tiger 900 upgrade, and from the sounds of it, it would be easy to underplay what Triumph have done to the bike, but at the same time I'd say they have really nailed it in terms of improving those areas that needed a little attention. I had one of the 2020 GT bikes, and kept it for 2 years - I absolutely loved it. I'd previously had the older Tiger 1200 XRX which had a great engine and handling (when moving) but which was very top heavy at slower speeds, and the top heavy issue was why I chopped it in for the 900. The 900 did everything I wanted, and have to say that I didn't really notice any significant vibration. The only things I didn't like about the older 900 were the seat, which after 150 miles was a struggle, the chain drive, the electronic dash and the ability to devour long stretches of motorway (which may have been more related to the seat than the engine). So, looking at the new version where Triumph have improved the seat, upped the power and given it the new 1200 dash (still no shaft drive), all makes me wonder if i should take a closer look at this one...

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Thanks - yes, it's definitely better in the vibes/performance dept, the seat feels comfier to me (but I was fine on the old one for all-day riding) and the dash - I'm not a massive fan of the 1200 dash but it's better than the old 900, so that's a plus. I agree with you - I think the 900 is the better Tiger; it's a better balance of power, practicality, convenience and chassis dynamic than the 1200 imo. I'm not so bothered by chain drive - I think if you keep it lubed every so often, it's got some advantages over shaft drive (doesn't sap power, has less impact on rear suspension performance, you can alter gearing to suit your preference and it weighs considerably less). I think the Rally Pro offers a really nice blend of on-road performance, character, trim, practicality, styling and finish quality with moderate off-road ability - and no-one else really does all that at that price point. There are better off-road bikes (890 Adv R, arguably DesertX etc) and more dedicated on-road bikes (er, the GT Pro I guess) - but if you want all of it, hard to see past the Tiger.

So glad to see you on KZread after listening to your podcast in 2023

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I was up near Antequera, north of Malaga on a local ride just over a week ago on my Super Tenere and I passed about 3 photographers lining the road and a bunch of Triumph Tigers in a lay-by and a white Enterprise van. As a long time podcast listener I would have been stunned if I'd seen you standing there!

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

That was us! You shoulda waved :-)

Great review! Thank you.

Top review, Mr H. Good luck with the channel 👍😊

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Thanks mate! Brave new world, old dog & new tricks etc. Let's do a collab!

Awesome, glad to see you guys on KZread

Bloody awesome video. I’m considering the 900 GT PRO, so this detailed review has really helped. Cheers

I loved my 2023 GT Pro but riding it from Isle of Man to Turkey and back in May/June it destroyed my hands. I traded it in on return. Ran out of oil twice too despite checking every other day and engine just stopped in the woods of Bulgaria and in Turkiye. Great bike though and miss the heated seats. I traded for a GS (😱) and went to Hungary Poland etc in August Sept and it was a luxurious ride in comparison (hand wide). Looking forward to more of these vids as they’re great thanks.

Excellent review as always. Can't beat the ould lads for bike reviews 😊

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Cheers mon 👍

FEC'ing good stuff. Proper motorcycle journalism.

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

You know it! 😉

Brilliant review! Has made me decide to buy the GT Pro. Thanks!

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Hope you like it!

I forgot i subscribed. 😂 Great first review!

Cracking review. I rode Triumph Triple's for about four years loved them, and after the last two years on a GS12, this year will see me go back. I only ride on road, but the Rally Pro just looks awesome over the GT Pro for me, the paint job and the spoked wheels are the finishing touches. Watching this the Rally Pro seemed to be coping well on road with a pretty spirited ride, I'd like to know how it would fair on more road biased rubber around the quick twisties...test ride this year I reckon

Just started listening to your podcasts, and really enjoying them. (Makes decorating the house more bearable!) Great review. I'm seriously considering what to replace my F750Gs with later this year and the GT-Pro is definitely a contender, as are the Tracer 9 GT+ and Suzuki GSX-S1000 GT.

Fabulous insight Simon, particularly liked your summary at the end… I had the Tiger 900 in May 2020 kept it for 3 years and 16k miles… the vibration from the crank was awful, tried grip puppies, Rox anti vibration bar risers, bar end weights! Eased it a little but never cured the feeling of numbness in the hands… can’t believe Triumph deliberately engineered it this way and called it ‘character’… a 60s BSA Goldstar hac ‘character’!!! Hard to believe the rubber mounted washer has eliminated any such vibration, like you you suggest possibly better engineered and the combustion cleaner! Great to see the valve clearance extended to 18k miles, never did mine at 12k as many were suggesting they didn’t need adjustment. Always thought Triumph were conservative and creating jobs for the dealer! Definitely worth another look but I’ll also look at the new Africa Twin Adventure Sport DCT when it comes out in 2024… well done Simon great honest review 👏👏😊🍻👍

Great review. Your observations and comments are pretty much spot on. Bike reviewers usually rave about all the positives of the new model upgrades with little or no negative comparisons. I traded my 2020 Speed Triple RS in on a 900 Rally Pro and I agree about the different vibes but in normal use the vibrations aren`t an issue. It`s mainly when you are on motorways on constant throttle that the vibes suck. Anything over 5000 rpm while cruising is awful except while offroading. I`m subscribing so I can watch some more videos. Great work.

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! It gets harder and harder to critique new bikes because in the old days, when I started out, we were mostly obsessed by measuring speed and performance, because that's what people wanted to know about. So it was stuff we could actually measure. These days, bikes are much more about what you personally like and dislike, so it's more about opinions - and the 2020 Tiger 900 was a good example. In pure engineering terms, Triumph did something bold but odd; they deliberately unbalanced a balanced motor and added vibration for more 'feel'. In pure engineering and empirical terms, that's at best unusual and at worst a backward step. But they did it for a subjective reason: to make it 'feel' better. Which is always dodgy ground because you're not relying on numbers and science as much as your customers' opinions - and who can measure that? You might as well paint the bike Nuclear Pink and see if people like it (oh, hang on, Triumph actually did that once with the Speed Triple!). So with the new bike they've rolled it back a bit and tried to damp the vibrations they actually created in the first place, with rubber-mounted bars. And it works. I mean, it's not going to stop bolts vibrating loose, but it's much nicer to ride!

@shaunefoster6694

6 ай бұрын

@frontendchatter I haven't experienced any loose bolts yet. The overall package (bike) is a winner on and off the tarmac. Minor niggles are part and parcel of vehicle ownership. Most of my previous 64 motorcycles had some annoying issues, some minor, some major but I enjoyed them all to varying degrees. I've done multiple 1000 km days(dirt and road) on my Tiger and numb hands do happen but it's easy to stop or even just put cruise control on. Versatility always means some compromises. Yes I would prefer a 'normal ' Triumph triple engine in it but such is progress. Cheers.

Absolutely fantastic mate. Your reviews are so enjoyable because you live bikes. I take my hat off to Triumph, they obviously listen to customers. The Tiger looks like a finely polished machine now. I tried the last one but to me it felt just a little stiffled at the top end, everything else was really good. I bought a Tracer 9gt but in the end I hated the wind blast and rearward biased handling. So I bought a ZX10R . I know........🤷‍♂️

Great first review - now subscribed! Been looking at dropping down weight wise from my 1250GS and the Triumph looks like a contender. The stance on the Rally Pro looks considerably better though than the GT Pro but as I’ll likely use on road only (other than the odd gravel track) - losing the electronically adjustment rear and 21” vs 19” front would that be too much of a compromise? Guess test ride both!

Best wishes for the new channel Simon. Subscribed! (done my bit 👍)As regards the Tiger it is a shame that the significantly better looking of the two derivatives, as with the previous version, is the off-road Rally model which is just too tall for most of us.

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

Great review. My only complaint is that they don't produce a optional 19 inch front wire-wheel (rears are both 17 so interchangeable between models). In reality for a heavy adventure bike (as opposed to Enduro, Trials or Trail bike) nobody needs a 21 inch front wheel on a bike laden with 40 kg of extra luggage etc because you are not riding it fast enough off-road to need it. However, the difference on road is very marked and the down-side of a 21 in comparison to a 19 is sacrificing a hell of a lot of dynamic ability for what in reality is just "coffee shop" posing styling and if anyone can't tell the dramatic difference on road between a 19 inch and a 21 inch then frankly they ain't riding well enough to own either of these bikes. I am considering a 2024 GT PRO and sourcing a 19 wire front from a Ducati or Guzzi, one of them should fit with a little modification.BTW I completed the 7,350 mile TAT in a record breaking 27 days on a 17 inch shod 690 SMCR overtaking scores of 21 inch equipped riders which really puts things in perspective. Marketing today has convinced people that no one can venture off-road without 250mm of suspension and a 21 front when in reality all the worlds long range off-road adventure records were broken decades before 21 fronts even existed.

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

I agree - I thought Suzuki got it right wheel-wise with the 2020 V-Strom 1050 and its spoked 19in front (wonder if that would be an option?). Funny how Honda are now taking the Africa Twin Adventure Sport down to a wire 19in front (maybe that would be an option for you too?) just as Suzuki move the wire-spoked V-Strom to a 21in front... Honda says this in their blurb: "The most obvious change over the previous model is a substantial update to the front end. Led by the addition of a new 19in front wheel, suspension stroke from the now standard Showa EERATM has been reduced by 20mm. Alongside the fitment of a wider front tyre, these combine to give the rider more front­end grip and feedback, especially when fully loaded or two up, without dramatically compromising off­road performance. This change to the front end also lowers the centre of gravity of the CRF1100L Africa Twin Adventure Sports, contributing to improved low speed manoeuvrability and ground reach." I would take issue with you a little on the 21in v 19in road and off-road thing tho. It's all about what people prefer. I prefer the looks of a 21in front on the road and happy to trade off some of that dynamic ability because I don't need it to ride as fast as I want to ride. Off-road, however, I DO need the extra dynamic ability of a 21in front because I'm not a good off-road rider. So in a way, I'm like you in reverse. I'm good enough on road to not be too bothered about 21in v 19in... but off-road, gimme a 21in all day :-)

@jamesfairmind2247

6 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter Personal preference as with all matters on bikes. Interesting about Honda though.

Hi Simon …thank you sooooo much for the awesome review…just a quick question..would rally pro be a huge upgrade from my 2016 tiger xrx…in terms of power / handling and vibes ( I love the smooth engine)… iam mostly on road kinda guy but I like the look of Rally pro …is it like a huge difference between the two bikes in a corner ? …Thanks In Advance Mate❤

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, I would say not hugely in terms of pure cornering - maybe a bit more ground clearance on the new bike, if you drag the pegs! There's a lot of dubious stuff talked about the difference between brand new models and bikes only a few years old in terms of handling, but in my experience the biggest difference comes with a few years and 10k miles on a set of springs - if you get the suspension serviced (or uprated to your weight and specification) on your 2016 bike & fit new tyres, it will make a more noticeable improvement over feel and confidence in the corners than jumping on a 2024 model. In terms of performance... I think the 2016 120° crank motor *feels* like a more powerful engine than the dyno says it is, and it's very smooth and distinctive. The T-plane on the 2024 bike has more vibes than a 120° for sure, but also certainly much less intrusive than the original T-plane model. I would say you might notice the extra engine performance in two ways - a sharper, stronger throttle response and more top end power. At the end of the day, going from 94bhp to 107bhp, and making more of it available int he midrange, is a decent improvement and back-to-back you will notice it - but it's not going to be like, blimey, change your life, if you know what I mean. But then... you know... it's a new bike and it looks great and new and you *know* it's better in many ways, no matter by how much! If you want it, you want it!

Awesome review , thank you! I have 2022 900 Rally Pro. Vibrations is a huge thing with these bikes, especially when traveling long distances, which I have done quite a lot with it. Always after a 2-3 hours (including short stops) my hands were numb from the vibrations. But besides that, my worst problem with the bike is the engine ticking sound which starter after about 10K miles. I got lots of nonsense from Triumph about this and I know that other owners experience the same issue as well. Triumph kept the bike for about a month "exploring" the problem and finally they came back saying that they adjusted the valves clearance ... I am wondering if the new 2024 engine has or has not the same issue.

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! We'll keep trying to add more! Yes, I read a lot of stuff about the vibes online. Like I say, I mention it on the original T-plane bike launch video - I remember during the ride, I was chatting to some other journalists at a lunch stop and I mentioned I thought it vibrated a lot. Another, very experienced journalist, was a bit dismissive and said, "It's an engine, it vibrates..." as if I was making a big deal of it. I was also told, off the record by a source, that the factory test riders had made the engineers aware of the vibration but presumably no-one that mattered thought it was significant enough at the time - although clearly it IS an issue, hence the rubber-mounted bars. And I still think the extra 10mm seat padding has a positive effect too. But the bottom line is this bike is MUCH better - the vibes are still there, but much less intense. I don't know about the ticking sound - I've not done 10k on a Tiger! Sounds like a top-end thing, but standard advice is: no ticking could = tight valves, which is worse than a bit of ticking from being a bit loose. Certainly didn't hear anything unusual on the new bike, but it was just run-in and we did about 150 miles, ish.

@specialandroid1603

22 күн бұрын

@@frontendchatter The vibration on the bars is minimal but on the foot pegs its from hell at times

Great review Simon, thanks. Is there any difference in the seating triangle between the RP and GTP considering GTP seating position is lower than previous model?

Are you remaining part of the Bennett's Social platform? Congrats on the new channel. Love your work.🎉

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Thanks you! Very much still part of Bennetts. But will be sharing extra content on here, plus have some more new bike launches and other stuff coming up too, so keep an eye out!

Subscribed! Great Review. Any views on engine heat? Last model has tons of heat thrown at riders legs. They do seem to have changed the fairing design with vents now, wondering if it has made a difference

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

As per reply above - I've noticed the Tiger 900 engine heat before and, as a cold-blooded reptile living in the UK, I appreciated it. But I get why it's a hot pain if you live in Texas. The new bike still blows hot air onto your legs in an obvious way I haven't noticed on other bikes - but in the circumstances of the launch, I can't say definitively if it's better or worse (sorry!). Triumph *say* it's better so they've at least acknowledged it and done something about it. I need to ride old and new back-to-back on the hottest day of the year. Or maybe do some tests with a thermometer! That would be, er, cool. Or not :-)

Also, the price for non-black colour is +200£, so real price is 14 095£ for GT Pro. Also Rally Pro in this particular colour is +200£ on base model, which makes the price to be 14 695£, not 15k as per video. Green colour for Rally Pro +300, thus 14 795£

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

You're correct - Triumph didn't include the paint prices in the press kit, but I heard the different colours were different prices just as we were about to ride; not sure where I got £500 from! - but yes, as you say, full prices are: GT Pro in Snowdonia White/Sapphire Black (standard) is £13,895 GT Pro in Graphite/Sapphire Blace is +£200 = £14,095 GT Pro in Carnival Red/Sapphire Black (bike in video) is +£200 = £14,095 Rally Pro in Carbon Black/Sapphire Black (standard) is £14,495 Rally Pro in Ash Grey/Intense Red (bike in video) is +£200 = £14,695 Rally Pro in Matt Khaki Green/Matt Phantom Black is +£300 = £14,795

Hi, i still remember your McDonald's trip on the moto guzzi v85tt. Would you try to compare somehow the gt pro with that guzzi? What do you think about the new stelvio? Ehh it's is going to be a difficult choice for me when the spring comes 🙃 thank you

Great review thank you! What about the windshield? For someone like me 1.82cm tall; is there any wind buffeting? Bruno 🙏

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Hang on, let me convert that to Brexitfeet - ah yes, 6ft 🙂 That's my height. The answer isn't simple - depends on so many factors. For me, I've ridden the previous Tiger Rally Pro on many long rides (around Scotland, Ireland etc) and obvs it's no touring fairing, but it don't remember being unduly buffeted. It's about right for adv bikes

New subscriber Simon, you were spot on with your review on anther channel of my lovely V2S Multistrada. The Tiger GT Pro is on my list of tests next time I fancy a change..

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! I really like the 950S and V2 - not 100% sold on the reduced seat height of the V2 but I understand why Ducati did it and if it makes the bike more available to more riders, all the better. But yeah, the engine and chassis works really well. Interesting to see what you think & how they compare if you get a ride on a GT Pro.

@IanTed

6 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter I’ve got short legs🤣Happy New Year🏍👍

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

You've got normal legs; it's the bandy legs who are the mutants 😂 HNY to you too!

@peterfullarton5690

3 ай бұрын

​@@frontendchatterso given the choice would you use the 900 gt pro or the multistrada v2s for a 2 up tour and why? I'm so torn between the two!

Great review! Now subscribed, I’m curious tho… what was your riding kit (helmet, jacket etc) when riding the Triumph?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Arai TourX4 lid, Tucano Urbano Gulliver 2 jacket (not a serious off-road coat; too light and not massively armoured, but it looks nice! - plus I don't think TU make them any more). Trousers are a 15 year-old pair of A* waterproofs :-) - I'm a cheap-ass when it comes to blagging new gear. TCX trials boots, again about 12 years old, no longer waterproof but I like them because they're lighter than full-on MX boots, but still look like off-road boots.

Great video 👍👍👏 gt pro for me.

Wish the dash had been shown up close , to see the differences from the previous model...

I have the 2023 Tiger 900 Rally Pro, 11 mths ago , and outfitted with crash bars/bash plate from Outback Motortek, Mosko Moto bags, a 46L top case etc etc. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to get this new 2024 model! Now what...? lol

Great review, as always. I had 3 wishes for the new bike: less vibration, less heat, better seat. You covered first and third. Could you give us your thoughts on heat? Any improvement?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Yes - when it got a bit chilly up in the hills, I noticed there was still heat getting onto my knees so I reached forward and put my hand down by the side ducts and could still feel a current of warm air, as you'd find on the 2020 Tiger 900. So it's hard to say if they've shifted the heat significantly away from the rider - sorry I can't be any more specific. I must admit, living and riding mostly in the UK, and being a fairly cold-blooded biker, I can never get too warm on a bike and I really liked the added warmth from the engine! But I appreciate that riders in hot climates feel differently.

Great review seems Triumph has made some nice tweaks to an already full loaded bike 👍 I have a 2020 gt pro which I bought in march and have done 2000 miles on it since then and love the bike find it a perfect touring bike , although I have never ridden the old 800 model So can’t compare but I personally don’t find the vibration issue a particular problem maybe because I use the wonderful cruise control as much as I can and can do long distances mainly just using my left hand and controlling the throttle with just a touch of a finger , the 1 issue that I don’t like is the dreaded and costly valve check at 12000 miles which is now due ☹️ makes me wonder why the new model is now 18000 miles before value service check as have spoken to a few owners who have had the value clearances done at 12000 miles only to be told they were within tolerance 🤔wouldn’t it be nice if triumph were to say all models don’t need checks now till 18000 miles 🤔

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

That's a good point. If I get a chance, I'll ask if the 18k valve check is retrospective and, if it isn't, why isn't it? If all they've done to the motor is up the compression and increase the gas flow to rev harder and make more power - all things that, as someone else commented here, would increase engine stress - how come service intervals have increased and how come they haven't also therefore increased for all previous Tiger 900s?

@alansmith1268

6 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter thanks for the quick reply 👍it’s certainly food for thought will be asking the same question when my bike goes in but that’s after I save up enough ☹️

Great review Simon 👍...a little bit long for a lot of people, but not for the passioned 😂. So i'm considering this new 900 GT pro (or Multi V2 s) instead of my 1200 GT pro with witch a didnt fall in love after 8 month😮..

is the gt pro worth the extra price over transalp 750, would love you view /input👍

Great review Simon, a question? It's been 6 weeks since I got my full motorcycle licence,.I'm obviously not an off road rider but i do fancy a bit off dirt & green laning. What are your thoughts about the Rally Pro as a first bike. I'm 60 this year si ti will probably be a long term purchase Would appreciate any thought Simon (and others) Cheers Mark

Thanks for the video. 😃👍 Why is it ALWAYS the Rally Pro that has the nice paint jobs and the GT just has the boring plain colours, Triumph?!!!!

@logangodofcandy

4 ай бұрын

I love the carnival red on every bike it comes on.

like to know what weight/cc is best for 2 up riding. Some say f850gs but too heavy/big for me.

How is the wind buffing at higher speeds?

I’ll take my Multistrada V2S over the Tiger 900GT, but i do love the triples, and love my Street Triple.

As a short king with the low, I will miss it and have gotten three others to buy the low too 😢

Any idea when they will be available at dealerships in the USA?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Sorry, I don't. I DO know they'll be: GT Pro $16,895 US Rally Pro: $17,395 US

Concerned with all the posts with frame cracks or even snaps in the tiger 900 from 21 onwards.. was on my short list until I notice all the posts

Which bike you would prefer now enginewise, the new Tiger 900 or the Gen4 Tiger 1200? Cheers from The Netherlands.

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Deffo the 900. The engine performance, balance, weight and chassis dynamic are better matched. I don't dislike the 1200 but I think I'd prefer the GS... (not ridden the 1300, but love the 1250)... and I definitely think the MS V4 Rally is in another class of performance (and price!). The 1200 is a BIG bike and it's top heavy v the BMW... and the motor doesn't feel to me quite... I dunno, as "well-suited" to the 1200... I know it's in a VERY different state of tune to the Speed Triple, but it's the same bore & stroke + the T-plane doesn't suit it as well as the 900 (it's got more vibes, I think). Like I say, I don't dislike it and I wouldn't argue if anyone said they preferred it to the GS or MS... but I think the 900 - and certainly the 2024 bike - is a better machine.

@fredh4641

7 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatterThanks for your answer. My biggest complain about the 1200 T-plane engine is the awful play in the transmission, cruising at normal speeds with a lot of on and off throttle results in clunk clunk clunk. I think it's because of the play in the driveshaft. My R1250RT doesn't have that play at all. Going to take a testride on the new Tiger 900 Rally Pro in the spring for sure.

Which tyres are on your test Rally Pro?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

On the road they were Bridgestone A41s, off road Triumph fitted Michelin Anakee Wilds

Hi Simon . Some reviews have said the suspension on the GT is poor on broken surfaces ( read UK roads ! ) . Does the GT not miss the preload adjustment on the front . How do you rate it for comfort suspension wise . I have a deposit on one , but this worries me a little . Thanks , Colin 👍

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Cheers Colin. I haven't ridden the new GT Pro in the UK, but I rode the previous model (same set-up) and it's good - I wouldn't worry. The front preload adjustment isn't a miss, for me - you'd need to be better dialled-in than I am to detect and identify a need to adjust it greatly, I would imagine. Thinking about it, front preload is the last thing I ever adjust on suspension, whatever the bike. Rear preload is usually the first (adding it, to put more weight on the front), then damping to control the bike slopping about on bumpy Fen roads or coping with high speeds, bumps and luggage. So fill yer boots! And let me know how you get on - be fascinated to hear.

@colin9967

6 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter Thanks for that Simon . I will be test riding one as soon as they come into the dealers 👍

Had my GT Pro for coming up three years now no problems been a great bike,should I change it for one of these new ones that’s the question 🤔

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Test ride is the only way. On balance, I reckon your head will say hmmmm no, and your heart will says OMG yes.

Hey Simon you seem familiar to me from the days ı read BIKE MAG ..⭐️am ı right?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

You are right - me and Martin, the other half of Front End Chatter, are ex-Bike magazine and, in my case, ex-Performance Bikes from the 1990s (long time ago, etc). Glad to have you along!

Can you switch road-offroad while riding?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

You can switch to basic Off Road mode (ie still have ABS at the front and off-road TC) but not Off Road Pro (which turns everything off). Think that's right.

@adrianm.1910

6 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter This is the thing I hate the most about my 2023 model.

GT900 pro or Yamaha tracer 9 gt plus same price..which is better...thanks !

900gt is a big cb500x; same body; weight; bigger engine. but is it heavy and stable enough for 2 up riding; with xx weight ?

I’m pretty sure the really pro has an adjustable suspension so that you can take out the head angle. That would change the geometry to be more off-road worthy.

like reviews on 2 up riding

How much does the compression change hypothetically affect longevity. Does it mean the engine is stressed more and could reduce reliability the slightest bit in favor of performance? I

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

I did ask about the risk of detonation, and this was the reply: "Every engine is painstakingly mapped on our engine dynamometers to ensure the optimum ignition and fuelling, before the engine calibration team carefully refine this to ensure excellent drivability." Not sure that answers the question. But I would think it would be negligible - 1) the cr isn't that high 2) the motor is in a fairly conservative state of tune (most are these days; not all about high revs and peak power any more), 3) Triumph would've changed the engine design if it was a concern - as I say in the video, this is well understood, well-proven engine tech and nothing radical - if it was anywhere close to increasing engine stresses, Triumph would mitigate with different materials/design/engine management. Service intervals have been extended, so they're confident it's safe.

@dirkbrunemann3807

7 ай бұрын

In Germany I hot the Information from Triumph, thats the Service Intervall stay the Dame, 10k km and 20k km

@Adventure_blac

7 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter yeah exactly you the answer I was looking for. Thanx. Second question. Would you happen to have a spare 17k in dollars to loan to me?🫠

Where would rank the GT Pro against a Multistrada 950s ?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Yes, that's a comparison I missed 🙂 They're pretty close on a few things, and miles apart on others. On paper, the V2S has a fitter motor and semi-active, but if you spec it up to Tiger GT Pro spec, it's over £18.5k (add things like centrestand, heated grips etc) - and you can't get heated seats, but you DO get semi-active suspension. But, either way, it's more expensive, by quite a lot. On the road, the Ducati is 100% road biased and has a more solid, planted, steady cornering dynamic (partly because it's on even more road-oriented rubber than the Tiger: 120/70 19in front, 170/60 17 rear v Tiger's 100/90 19in front & 150/70 17in; it's also a bit heavier), but the riding position on the V2S is a bit compromised its seat/bars/pegs relationship - you sort of slump in the V2S a bit and the seat feels low v the peg height. It feels as if it needs a higher seat to give more legroom and make the bars less of a reach. The Tiger feels more of an active riding position and is a bit more natural, to me (although this is going from memory; never ridden them back to back, obvs). The motors are similar in terms of performance on paper, but feel so, so different obvs - the V-twin is lumpier of course, but actually feels (to my memory) the fitter engine; there's something enthusiastic and vibrant (literally) about the way the Ducati bangs about, like it can't get rid of the sporty nature of that engine. The Triumph motor is less aggro, less up-for-it, a bit more retrained - even with its new power output.

@TeslasSecret

7 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter Wow, I didn’t expect such a detailed answer. Many thanks ! I currently own a bike I know you have a very soft spot for : a last gen Ninja 1000Sx. ;-) I fancy trading that in for something that would match its touring ability but that would also feel a little more rowdy, a little more ebullient perhaps. Where would you look ?

These Tiger 900s looked good at the NEC and I was tempted but I bought an NT1100 instead. Good to see more FEC content!

Yes, it was every 12 000 miles for valve adjustment before, and that was more often than competition, so that's nice to make 18 000. Also online quite a few people said they needed adjustments at 12 000 (of course a lot of people said they didn't need adjusting). Some even said some of those were too tight from the factory and adjusting them actually made the bike to work much smoother and vibrate less.

@tactical1224

5 ай бұрын

I think the 12,000 interval for valve adjustments before was done by Triumph just to boost their service depts. revenue. Many owners went over that and waited until 18,000 miles to do that service anyway, probably the reason that Triumph is now calling for it at 18,000 miles

Hi I run a 950 multistrada that has cast wheels and if I go off road ive crashed or somethings gone wrong. Vstrom 1050 is competition for gt I would of thought anyhow the sit up position is what it's all about when you hit 60 years old. I will be buying the gt when it arrives 12 grand is a little bit more affordable ducati has to go before 1.000 pound desmo service is due.

I'm 100% with Simon, if you buy the ADV you have to have the ADV look! That's a rule!

I own the 2023 model and adore this bike. I would say it's too heavy as a serious of roader. I put my back out picking it up.

Tuareg 660 owner and at 6ft 180 lbs I felt the Tiger 900 Rally Pro was a behemoth of a bike. To heavy, tall and long. If i was 6'4 and 225 it might work. Sweet bike but no way I would take it anywhere off road where there was a possibility I would have to pick it up.

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Love the Tuareg and not enough is said about them. I've had to pick one up a few times and it's not exactly a flyweight either - but yes, it's no Tiger 900. It's a question of degrees... a Tiger is easier to pick up than a 1200 GS, etc... well, actually, given the c of g... that would be a good competition to see how quickly the same rider could pick up a range of off-road bikes. Does size matter more than c of g? :-)

About finish quality. There's one issue. It's the heated grips (for 2023 and older models. I guess 2024 will have the same issue), they always looks like shit after a year or two. Just check out demo bikes if they not brand new or reviews of the bikes of owners. They work fine, but they look bad, ruins quite a bit the nice looks of the bike. When I saw a demo bike, I was thinking something must be wrong. Then watched some reviews online, and they said that their basically only gripe (outside vibrations on higher speeds) with the bike is heated grips looking bad quite soon after getting the bike .

Torque and math problem at 7:05. Fact is that the new Tiger 900 has less Torque in lower revs than predecessor! But everyone keeps claiming the opposite. I might be missing something, but when one says that it produced more torque lower it doesn't match the graph of power. Horsepower = Torque x RPM / 5,252. Since in the graph power is less until about 5100 RPMs, that means torque is also lower in low revs. How else it can have less power if the same revs? The only thing changing to produce less power is Torque, because RPMs are identical! Then it gets tiny bit more power between 5100 and 6000, but difference very small, that's where the torque is slightly higher. Then really it gets higher again at 7800. So, in reality it has more torque very high up the revs. Anyone can explain how Torque is higher at lower RPMs based on the graph at 7:05?!! Math doesn't add up at all.

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Ah, I think I see what you've done. Triumph claim the engine makes 2 lb.ft higher peak torque, at 400rpm less (64 lb.ft @ 7250rpm to 66 lb.ft @ 6850rpm). If we look at the graph supplied by Triumph, between those revs there is a significant bump in the power curve over the previous bike, suggesting it is indeed making more torque between those revs. So in terms of what Triumph claim, I would say they appear to be accurate. The engine is making higher peak torque at lower revs. 400rpm lower, according to them. That's not the same as more torque across the low rpm rev range, which is what I think you're hearing. But that's not what I say, or what Triumph claim. I say in the video: “It makes slightly more peak torque, up from 64 lb.ft to 66 lb.ft, but it’s at slightly lower revs; it was just above 7000rpm and it’s now just below 7000rpm”... “So we have more peak power and a smidge more torque.”

@PovilasPanavas

6 ай бұрын

@@frontendchatter your explanation fits perfectly why a lot of reviewers got confused and uses phrases like "more torque at lower RPMs". Anyone hearing this would think more torque in the range of less than 5000, because 5000 is the middle of RPMs. But that's simply not true. It's the opposite, we have now less torque at lower RPMs range. But realistically as per your message, the peak torque is at 6850 which is indeed tiny bit sooner than before, but in no way, form or shape anyone could say it has more torque in lower RPMs, because it's at 70% of RPM range. I appreciate your explanation how this confusion happened. I guess it's one of those situations where semantics matter. Because having peak torque a bit lower in rev range is not the same as having more torque at low/lower RPMs.

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

To be fair to you, I think Triumph are well aware that if they claim a slight increase in peak torque at slightly lower rpm, that could well be abbreviated by the press, influencers and public into "more torque at lower rpm" - which might be strictly true but is also a bit misleading. I must admit, that was how it had resolved into my brain as well - which goes to show we need to be on our toes all the time.

It will sell to shorter riders, we’re not all 6ft + so for me safety is at the top planting my feet on the ground , yes the rally looks stunning but way too tall for me at just over 5 foot 9 + a bit ,and putting a lower seat defeats the idea of a nice comfy seat .

What about the helmet holder? Why don't they put helmet holders anymore?

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

I'm guessing their market research shows a negligible number of riders use it.

@korazon3spinado

7 ай бұрын

I use mine all the time

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Ah, you're one of the few! You could, I guess, get a short length of looped steel cable and thread that onto the subframe under the seat? Sort of make your own? Not ideal, but a solution.

@korazon3spinado

7 ай бұрын

Yeah that might work

Triumph for 2024 removed the British- based 95hp throttle restriction from the map. This was in place to qualify the bike for british beginner drivers license. Buyers were unhappy outside of u.k.90% of the new hp increase is created by this, as true throttle position was simply restricted to 80% over 7500rpm. The high compession is mostly for new eu smog standards.You will get over 100hp from the old 900 with a modified map via tune ecu only.

Goood vibration? Or only vibration :((

@frontendchatter

7 ай бұрын

Mmmmmmm... *OK* vibrations.

Engineering lesson. The torque at your rear wheel is gear dependent. Just like a bicycle. 1st gear for more torque and less speed. 6th gear for less torque and more speed. The engine torque is a component of the power in a rotational system. It's not something different that happens at low rpm. If one bike makes more power at a particular rpm than another, it makes more torque there. It's math and immaterial to riders. The power curve tells you everything there is to know. Issue 2, Triumph did not do the cross plank thing to unbalance the engine. They do it to allow the tire to get a better bite in the dirt. That long pause between power pulses does that.

ralley pro too hi seat; need 832mm max.

T-Plane on the Triumph is a very bad idea. Even with a balance shaft these bikes are terrible for vibes.

who cares about a few horses; give or take on the total ride; handling.

seats are supposed to be bigger; fatter; better.

Motorcycle engines vibrate, try a CBX if you dont like it or a car maybe. Thanks as always Simon, great review.

A little to much yalla yalla talking....., com to the facts..., reduce the insignificant blah blah......

@frontendchatter

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment, appreciate the advice. But what do you think about the bike?

@MHDarlington

6 ай бұрын

Without doubt some viewers prefer dry statistics but there are plenty of KZread and written pieces that are effectively spec sheets. If that’s your bag, I’m unclear why you’d comment on Simon’s review as I sincerely hope he doesn’t change a thing. The subjective elements, or opinions if you prefer, are what make the best reviewers stand out in a crowd of mediocre and often plagiarised offerings. Having followed Si’s written, spoken and visual journalism for many years he can speak to me at a much deeper level than stats and facts could ever provide. Your opinion is as valid as anyone’s but I would appeal to Mr Hargreaves’s to ignore your request and just keep on doing what you’re doing. It’s rare, it’s informative and though I’m not really in the market for a Tiger I still can’t help enjoying the ride (see what I did there?) 😊