Would you choose the new Sram Red AXS over Shimano Dura-Ace?

@umah.

2 ай бұрын

Yes, sure. appreciate the one-finger breaking & the weight reduction so much.

@bicikircho

2 ай бұрын

Yes

@squngy0

2 ай бұрын

I'd be happy with either if I got them for free/cheap, otherwise I'm sticking with 105

@Numeriwar

2 ай бұрын

I like the 2 button shifting , orbit damper and removable batteries

@dannyjbr8870

2 ай бұрын

No idea what to believe from the media. Only ever find out what was wrong with the previous generation when the new one is released.

I'm liking this cynical and sarcastic take on cycling.

I'm stuck with Dura Ace 9000 mechanical . . . forever!

@roadcc

2 ай бұрын

BRING BACK THE CHROME!

@savagepro9060

2 ай бұрын

@@roadcc Chrome is Home

@00bikeboy

2 ай бұрын

I’m with you, except for the tendency of the right shifter to destroy cables after every season.

@WarHammerWH

2 ай бұрын

I’m on Dura Ace 7900 with no plan to change…

@borsenchecker1823

2 ай бұрын

@@00bikeboyich fahre seit 2020 mechanische ultegra nicht einmal Kabel gewechselt und nicht Justieren müssen

It's funny how reviewers only tell you their true feelings regards a groupset once it becomes the previous groupset, all reviewers over the last 24hrs have only now told us how they really feel about Sram red axs of 2019-present.

@Hemingnoway

2 ай бұрын

Paid content maybe

@jmurphy3350

2 ай бұрын

100%. Anyone who had access to this group set before the launch is not to be trusted. 🤣

@kazaroth

2 ай бұрын

All media has to keep the companies sweet or they won’t get review units or early access. Very simple. Only independent reviews can come from folks buying their own stuff to review…

If im not racing and not making a living from cycling then i sure dont need the latest and greatest. Im still riding with sram red etap 11sp from 2019 i never had issues. Most average cyclist like myself dont need to spend 4k + on the latest groupset. Just my opinion ✌️

@WerdnaLiten

2 ай бұрын

A triple and friction shifting for me on the Tourer.......

@graemeross1998

2 ай бұрын

I'd go for force

Still like the Shimano hoods more.

@ArteUltra1195

2 ай бұрын

The increased reach on the sram hoods is a big no-no

Was waiting for this before deciding on my new bike… was already leaning towards SRAM for dual batteries and gear ratios (and aesthetics). New levers just confirmed my choice.

6:21 Have a look inside Shimano manual, or look under the rubber hood of your Di2 shifter. Every Shimano Di2 has both reach and free stroke adjustment. There is no such thing as pad clearance adjustment, only free stroke adjustment on both Shimano and SRAM. Also what was the multishift speed setting on Dura Ace?

@BennoSattler

2 ай бұрын

Algorithm, show this 🙂

@thedownunderverse

2 ай бұрын

105 Di2 does not have free stroke adjust

@Di2_GP

2 ай бұрын

@@thedownunderverse I'm afraid you're wrong. Have a look here at the detailed disassembly and comparison 😀

@thedownunderverse

2 ай бұрын

@@Di2_GP ok, link?

@Di2_GP

2 ай бұрын

@@thedownunderverse sorry, must have forgotten to attach it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iICsp8mqocy5qLA.html

I’ve been riding the red etap 1. Gen. For 6 years. I would love to upgrade to this one, if only this groupset wouldn’t cost as much as my 2018 Canyon with Red and Zipp wheels cost back then when bikes were still “affordable”.

@zaphod_beeblerox

2 ай бұрын

but you already have it, 80% of this new (lol) groupset is rehashed gen one

I will watch and see if in 2025 SHimano can make a power meter that measures your actual power, and a crankset that won't be recalled would be a nice bonus. For now, I'm saving my spare change and pinching pennies until I can afford my new Red dream bike build, cost be damned.

Great video!

Absolutely been using sram for years did try Shimano and just upgraded bike to sram red E1 love it

skyrocket price crazy! I'm sitting with my 105 DI2, which is good enough!

Just get Rival AXS and upgrade the Crank to a Force D2 spider PM.. Best budget / Performance option and works as good as Red..

I want to buy the shifters for my Rival equipped gravel race bike.

Shimano is currently working on 13 speed cassette & true wireless setup like SRAM. Could it be for the new Dura-ace?

@roadcc

2 ай бұрын

From the recent patents we reckon definitely fully wireless for the next DA, 13-speed...anyone's guess at this point...we'll keep digging for more info!

For me, the best ones are those with a narrower q factor. but I'm talking for me

there is no double click and long-press on auxiliary buttons like on Di2. the rear derailleur is more decentralized with respect to the cassette. Shimano is more nicely hidden under the cassette. other than that, the groups looks nice and feals great, has made up for a lot of lagging-behind. definitely considering it for the next bike.

@roadcc

2 ай бұрын

The shimano shadow tech is very nice indeed, we’re definitely in agreement there, good point!

I’m running 9270. No surprise, it’s brilliant. Ran 9170 briefly, and a thousands of km’s on 8070. Breaking is noticeably superior on the 12 speed stuff. Shifting is also much ‘improved’ - in that it’s smoother and quieter, and as someone who gets a lot out of a groupset, I do feel it shifts better under load. I’m not entirely sure if I prefer the ‘lighter’ feel of the newer Dura-Ace, as it looses a sense of physical feedback when shifting. Ultimately, I would choose any 11/12spd Di2 groupset over SRAM, as I don’t see any area where it outperforms the Shimano counterpart (yes, the claimed weight is lower, but only by a handful of grams). Campy would be my second choice, but I really dislike the WRL grouppo, aesthetically and ergonomically. Big fan of EPS, but not point in buying already outdated bike components, especially with them being electric and needing spare parts and batteries over many years. Choose whatever will make you enjoy your ride more!

Wireless groupsets unboxing will always be . . . a manual process. No buttons to press here. Open the box yourself.🤣

what is the saddle on his bike?

Feature is one thing. Reliability (real world) is another. In where I live, Shimano has abundant support, as reliable as Toyota. They break down only if the rider has been neglecting the bike in extreme case (apart from the crankset tragedy). Subconsciously we know what’s good, but most of the time our egos want to satisfy the cool factor

It feels silly commenting on videos about stuff so ridiculously way out of my price range, but I wish the gap between the chainrings was bigger - 46*11 with 28mm tyres ad 90rpm is 48km/h so it's already an let's say optimistic gear to have on my bike, but I'd certainly welcome a 29ish ring at the front to have a tighter spacing between the gears at the back and still have 1:1 or thereabouts ratio.

I'm still happy with Ultegra di2 11s.. waiting for that 2026 13s model haha

Did they fix the front ring chain drop? That's the only question I have.

@pierrex3226

2 ай бұрын

Apparently yes. Chris miller saying big to small now as good as DA, and small to big much better than before. Others tried to get chain drops and couldn't. Big improvement on FD they all say.

@Edmond347

2 ай бұрын

@@pierrex3226 That's good to hear. I had the Red on my Dogma F and could not get it adjusted, no matter how hard I tried. The chain dropping peeled the frame protector several times and I had enough. Cost me over $4,000 to replace it with the new DA, and it's like night and day. The idea that the top of the line groupset drops the chain is insane.

@frankko3916

2 ай бұрын

@@Edmond347 same here. I'm riding Cervelo S5 and before a Scott Addict RC with SRAM RED AXS... I adjusted the front derailleur so often and always chain drops outside and inside... In last race I got 2 times chain drops inside... that sucks... now I build up my Cervelo S5 with DA DI2... . No problems. I thought about to buy the new RED but atm there is to low feedback if the new derailleur works better... . So Shimano will now stay on my race bike.

I think also we have to look at the camp you like best regardless of improvements. What I mean is, in the states picking your groupo set is like those in the Chevy or Ford camp of vehicles........doesn't matter the bad things in each, some are just loyal to a particular manufacturer. I went SRAM just over 15 years ago and through the mechanical aspect now to the AXS or wireless as we say. SRAM is more intuitive to me, and their sets are what I like best for me personally. I had nothing really wrong with Shimano and coming from them and mainly the Ultegra lineup on any new bike or build, but SRAM is king to me. That said........I have a 2022 Cannondale SuperSixEvo with SRAM Rival AXS that came built on the bike from a shop. I have to say, the Rival is quite pleasant, but I recently bought a full drivetrain upgrade to the Force D2 system (shifters/brakes, cassette 10-36, crank 172.5 in 46-33, chain, FD and RD) but keeping the Paceline rotors for now. I have yet to build that up and will wait until this fall to do so. As to Red and it going head-to-head with Dura Ace................I do simply believe it comes to the Chevy vs. Ford mentality or at least here in the states. If tomorrow I no longer had SRAM to use, I could go back to Shimano with hardly any grief but if given the option................SRAM is Legend! Great review and will be subscribing to your channel!

@roadcc

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comments and enjoy the new build!

The greatest question since it's electronic which is the better durability for battery and durability?

My MTB has 177.5 cranks that are stock. I’m 6’2 and have 175 on my gravel bike, I ride with a guy who’s 6’4 and uses 177.5 also. Those bigger sizes exist, so glad sram makes them.

Next year we will see dura ace 13 speed, and the race will continue.

Are the NEW RED & FORCE shifters really similar in shape & feel? Because a new SRAM RED shifter is like £500/600€

My Udi2 11speed is better, its mine. I love it, see no reason to change only when i cannot obtain parts.

@roadcc

2 ай бұрын

Definitely a cherry in the Shimano range that one!

@morrisizing

2 ай бұрын

Yep and gives uou access to the 11spd Dura-ace chain, which is faster than both the 12spd options from Sram & Shimano.

@marccarter1350

2 ай бұрын

@@morrisizing Yeah, but the bloke on the bike is not fast :-0

How can you do a back to back comparison without 2 identical bikes with different groupsets.

What I like about this SRAM groupset is the FD and RD are completely wireless unlike Shimano's. What I don't like is the power meter battery being integrated and you have to send it back to them if it needs replacing. I mean why not just use CR2032 like what they use on the shifters.

@jarrodrunciman5138

2 ай бұрын

power meter uses a CR2032 battery just like in the shifters

If one is forced to have a non-mechanical Gruppo, I prefer SRAM Red. Still have Dura Ace 9100 Mechanical on another bike and love it with rim brakes.

dura ace owner and would defo swap it if I had the chance. Crappy levers that buzz (screws are tight) noisy 11t gear however it’s set up and weird double up shift bug mean I would defo choose new SRAM now. 12sp DA has been really disappointing for me.

Looks insane shifting on Sram fair play i will never be able to afford it though.

“Only reach adjustment on DA”. Lie! I have ultegra 12 speed and it has reach and braking distance adjustment! DA has the same!

I'm a total Durace R9200 fan because I absolutely don't like the charging system on the front of the levers. I'm currently using a 54-40 power meter crank, 11-30, cassette, you can also use the Sram with a faster crank that's compatible with the system would be converting? If so, would a Scram be faster than a Durace R9270? I don't necessarily want to wait for the winner of the 2024 Tour de France to find out🤣🤣🤣

The one that doesn’t need lots of cables running through the frame that rattle over every bump

How's the battery life though, has it improved? One problem i see from my pals with sram is that they need to charge all the time to the point they had to ditch some rides because they forgot to charge. Meanwhile i only charged my DI2 4 times the entire year with about 1000km/600miles monthly distance.

@Cortes19882012

2 ай бұрын

No. It’s stilll 60 hours. Shimano will always win when it comes to battery life.

@franklinriccelli

Ай бұрын

O meu di2 tenho que carregar todo mes, 1300 km de distancia mensal.

Shimano cranks start at 160mm - I’m riding them! Pleased sram have introduced a 160mm option though, I’ve ordered a set for my spare bike!

@luchocatano1772

2 ай бұрын

It's a dumm question But how much insean and how much tall are You ?. I'm 179 cm and 88.8cm insean and wanna run a 165mm crankset. It is really good on That cranks?, Even in mtb i'm going to run 165mm cranks

@mikehhhhhhh

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@luchocatano1772170/79.5

SRAM Red if I have to put it on the bike myself!

I can't afford either, but I can afford 16 mins to watch this video.

Sram red groupset 2013 just so good but the marketing is right "Shut up legs, and do what I tell you to do" 🤣

9200 had rim brake option???

@marcinstyle85

2 ай бұрын

yes but you need miracle to find it

That is the OLD Shimano! We want to see the NEW Shimano WIRELESS and the NEW Campy WIRELESS!

Is it just me or do SRAM’s hoods look a touch longer than Shimano’s? Do these change ur reach ever so slightly? Im a small rider and Im very self concscious about my smaller… reach.

6:02 ... "uhhh...it's better" for now lol a lot of "might be better" sarcasm sprinkled through this video haha

Dura Ace 9200 is also available rim brake (9250)

Been waiting for the new Sram Red release for a while now, before ordering my new bike. Great news on the reviews! Sadden to leave Campy, which I've been using since 2007. Sram total wireless shifting won me over. also glad to support an American company.

Is not the lightest DA di2 rim option is electronic as well and is lighter!

"Pros used to use Campag - now they have a choice - but Campag is not a choice". Yeah, I'll stick with Campag thanks.

SRAM Red - interesting the larger previously "semi-secret" 54/41 pro-spec rings are now officially available. Does this mean the even more "secret" pro-spec cassette will become official? Or are we still stuck with running a Dura Ace cassette & chain??

Shimano Ultegra beats them all. The value of Ultegra can’t be beaten

@roadcc

2 ай бұрын

Agreed! I think I'm right in saying it's the only groupset to have scored 10/10 on road.cc

@thepatternforms859

2 ай бұрын

@@roadcc when you do the analysis on cost, components, weight, durability, etc the value is just impossible to beat.

@Cortes19882012

2 ай бұрын

💯💯💯💯

@BennoSattler

2 ай бұрын

...beaten only by 105 mechanical ;)

I'll stick with shimano Dura-Ace and their 3 years warranty. New sram chainring will probably be pricey to replace and has to be sent away to have the power meter swapped over to the new ring.

@GregTitcume

2 ай бұрын

Its actually cheaper than Dura-Ace

Campi is king❤

@erichweggelaar1320

2 ай бұрын

Ditto

At this level, I doubt if anyone would place much emphasis on appearance. But at 07:11, the polished parts, especially the ring accents give the Sram all the look of a Wal mart special. Okay, that's rather extreme, and no offense to Wal mart nor Sram adherents, as appearance is very subjective. But the all black look of the Shimano sets off any bike color, especially the black-on-black color scheme. The polished parts of the Sram? It's rather complicated (visually).

Main problem with DA and XTR is that they are beta editions.

Shimano wins, because it looks better than SRAM;)

5:33 is man serious, or is this a comedy channel? They redesigned the hoods completely which changes braking modulation and allow SRAM not to suck. Even though they still use DOT Fluid.

@11robotics

2 ай бұрын

they also made them incredibly ugly, especially from that angle depicted at 5:33

@tom_er8359

2 ай бұрын

And give the pad clearance 1-2years. Then the typical Sram DOT thing happens and you dont have any pad clearance anymore.

After the unveiling of the new Sram Red AXS on the 15th I just ordered my second Dura Ace R9250! In my opinion those levers are ugly and I’m not a fan of the clunky shifting. Dura Ace is on point!

Chad Dura-Ace, still using aluminum crank arm and steel axle.

10 years ago Sram red was 1670 grams.

@11robotics

2 ай бұрын

And I'd still buy that one in a heartbeat if I didn't like Campagnolo's hood shape and thumb shifters more... I secretly wanted a mechanical SRAM Red for so long - even a 10 speed one so long as it comes with an 11-32 cassette, but I just don't like DoubleTap and their lever shapes.

Tourney to rule them all. Tourney is a real sleeper groupset.

DA 7700, on a C40!!

In terms of reliability, no sram!! Good thing about sram is it looks cool

Shimano 105 R7000 is better than both of them in my opinion. 2x11 speed mechanical with super smooth and fast shifting with parts that are pretty cheap to replace as far as 2x11 speed groupset go

Shimano customer support is nonexistent….

Ofcourse there is a more clunky and firm shift, the cassette is a monoblock and the chainrings are one block.

one being one a Ribble says it all

For electrical... SRAM of course...❤

13 teeth max diff in front is not for me. I use 20. Twenty. It is like having two cassettes in the back.

In your review...in all aspects sram red only catched up to Dura ace and not better any aspects. And Dura ace is 3 years old already. So to be honest sram is way behind 3 years.

J’ai payé 2990€ mon groupe dura ace complet donc on est loin du prix du sram,ensuite le shimano est compatible avec toutes les pièces exotiques du marché tels que les pédaliers carbones,plateaux carbones,cassettes ultra légères,les roues sont toutes en shimano d’origine,le design est la finition très classe ira à n’importe quel vélo et le fonctionnement est absolument parfait,les manettes sont bien plus jolies et agressives… J’ai couplé mon groupe dura ace avec un pédalier cybrei a capteur de puissance et plateaux carbones le changement de plateaux est à peine perceptible et le poids vraiment bas…je ne changerais jamais pour le sram et préfère attendre le nouveau dura ace .

@littlevo9

2 ай бұрын

Et je préciserai aussi ,la purge des freins shimano avec la nouvelle vis déportée est super simple et rapide ! Shimano for Life 💪🏼

min 13 - I RIDE 180's STILL, they work much much better for me! And I'm totally angry with the manufacturers that so few deliver them... have I really to go to Shimano due to this? ...not as long as my Campa (Record and Super Record) are doing fine... I hope the time they are not compatible with modern tech anymore this nonsense trend is gone...

Lets hope sram’s new groupset comes with a usb-c plug lmao

Shimano

Shimano is my only choice 🤘🏻

given that the new red is rehashed old red and that was crap compared to dura ace , the winner is dura ace

Dura Ace PM QUIT WORKING AFTER 2 WEEKS. TOOK 9 MONTHS TO GET A REPLACEMENT. CANYON/SHIMANO CUSTOMER SERVICE IS ALMOST NON EXISTENT.

Older red looks better

Shimano's hood buttons can't change gears, can they?

@muyaho9151

2 ай бұрын

They can.

@shileitian2083

2 ай бұрын

@@muyaho9151 Is it a DA thing? I can’t set it up with my Ultegra in my garmin.

shimano one love

Sram alltheway

SRAM's marketing guys are ridiculous - they sell us the pulley wheels with more teeth because they reduce friction losses due to less articulation (which is true, though probably less than 1 watt) and at the same time they sell us smaller sprockets, smaller chainrings which increase the friction losses (more than what the pulley wheels are reducing) - they must believe their customers to be very dumb...

Sram red axs

105

dura ace is due to discounts so much cheaper. also sram red brings a lot of very ugly components. but the shifter hoods seem nice.

Oh and I thought the previous generations of these already overpriced groupsets were already offering perfect shifting, perfect comfort, perfect integration, perfect gearing, perfect weight, perfect bragging rights. Seems I was proven wrong by the marketing departments being thoroughly copy-pasted by various cycling channels.

Cmon, shimano wins. Its a no brainer

fuck this one-time use power meter thing, will never use that

So the new sram Red just manages to do as well as the 3 year old shimano dura ace...... nice work sram

Go back to old Dura ace and red forget the new tech which is overpriced garbage.

Shimano is vastly superior.

@_msc-ds9sj

2 ай бұрын

I love this unqualified and unspecific statement. So, the question is: Why? I use both, and each has pros and cons... 🥳

After the way Shimano handled there defective cranks I’ll never use there products again

@einundsiebenziger5488

Ай бұрын

... their* cranks, their* (!) products

Campagnolo mechanical! And between these two it'd be Dura Ace. The 13-teeth difference between chainrings on Sram cranks is silly and the cranks look like a budget angle grinder with a swastika built in, the new brake levers have the shape of toenail clippings. Yuk!

Who would choose Sram for road bike seriously ?

SRAM has always been so ugly for me. The latest is still no difference. Shimano still rocks.

Shimano ftw!💪

Super Record wireless EPS….

@erichweggelaar1320

2 ай бұрын

Bellissimo