This is like going to church, and feeling like the preacher is talking to me directly😂

Thank you JB. I learned a lot from this video. The payload differential is more than what I would have expected.

Great job breaking it down and showing the hardware of each. Thanks!

JB, I love this video! It was very informative and gives me piece of mind in buying the 3500 over the 2500. It would be great if you would do a video on hitches and pin boxes. There is so much more that can be talked about.

Been waiting for this review! Just ordered a dually 3500 and it will be delivered next month.

We had a 2500 Laramie crew cab fully loaded. We then traded our cougar travel trailer for a Host Yukon truck camper. We now have a 3500 HO regular cab 4x4 with an enormous payload.

EXCELLENT INFORMATION…..WELL DONE!!!

Very informative video. Thank you.

Great video, love the outlook you have on this

Awesome vid bro!

Very informative.

Great video!!

You are absolutely right 👍

I had a 2019 Ram megacab diesel with air ride. Keep in mind, the air ride has limitation sensors. They didnt kick in until i loaded bricks at ablut 3300 to 3500 pounds. Not saying you should, but the system is designed with a limit. It just isnt gvwr, its axle weight rating.

I just bought a 2500 last week. I was looking at a 3500 but it sold before a made up my mind. The 3500 has a much stiffer ride than the 2500. I hooked it to a 8000 lbs trailer and it really pulled it well. I can’t see needing a 3500 unless you are going to pull excessive weight,0ver 20,0000 lbs.

@Fischize

2 ай бұрын

Please respond to this: I have a 2500 Laramie with a Cummings. I’m starting to get lost on what I can tow, especially with the confusing tongue weight. I’m looking at a 8600lb travel trailer. The tongue weight is listed at 1020lbs. Will my truck tow it? I know I need weight distribution bars, but I cannot get an answer from anyone who is pulling 8K+ pounds in a 2500.

@carlp5885

16 күн бұрын

​@Fischize Yes, a 2500 will pull it fine. BUT 2 things to watch out for with 2500, payload and wheelbase.. Your tongue weight and people in truck takes away from payload on door sticker. Length of trailer is important too for sway.

@danielgranderson1794

16 күн бұрын

What made you go with the dodge transmission over the aisin?

@carlp5885

15 күн бұрын

@@danielgranderson1794 If you are towing 15K or less, an Aisin is simply not necessary.

@klay9864

10 күн бұрын

3500 is the ho

Picking up my “new to me” 2022 Ram 3500 Crew Tradesman including HO/Asin with 12k miles Friday. 3940 payload on the sticker. Over kill for my current 6k travel trailer but after 6 years towing with my Tacoma, overkill will be perfectly acceptable! And who knows if there’s another trailer or perhaps truck camper in the future! Don’t care it’s not optioned up, got it for less than 50K and I wasn’t about to sink $70-$90K into a truck. That’s just nuts. Thank you for all the vids, they’ve been helpful over the past year deciding. PS: The way I look at it, my diesel will “offset” my wife’s Jag EV! 😂

This is why in a 2500 you get the hemi. My 22 2500 Laramie Hemi has a payload of 2939. If you want a diesel, get the 3500.

@scuba31

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. I did my homework and I explicitly wanted the hemi. I bought the last one in my city. My 23 2500 Laramie Hemi has a payload of 3103. If I were buying a diesel it would be the 3500.

I never heard what the comment was.

I think u nailed it. When I was looking at a truck to tow our 5th wheel and I wanted that bro truck. The payload on the 2500 is very lacking. The bro truck can pull the weight but can't carry it.

Shout out to the ram bros towing a toy hauler with the 2500 and saying f it 💪💪💪

Excellent video 👍🧐 you sir are a Renaissance Man !!!

Great video! The most important thing is to not be over your GVWR! As a truck driver I see people all the time with too small of a truck for what they’re towing, and that is not only terrible for your truck but extremely dangerous. For a tractor trailer the typical GVWR is 80,000 lbs without a permit. The legal numbers per axle are 12,000 lbs for the steer axle, and 34,000 lbs for both the drives and the trailer tandems. However, in my Cascadia I have a 13,300 lbs steer axle, and it’s almost impossible with full tanks of fuel to not be at 12,500 lbs on the steers. Luckily, as long as I’m not over the 80,000 lbs mark I’m legal, but that extra 500 lbs takes away from the weight I could have on my drives. The drives are rated at 40,000 lbs, but to go that high you need an expensive permit on top of a CDL. For the 2500 the GAWR is 6,000 lbs for the steers and 6,000 lbs for the drives, so in theory you could go to 12,000 lbs, but that is above the GVWR, which makes it illegal. I hope this explanation further helps explain the theory behind the rated weights.

One of the things I hate about by 2019 2500 Big Horn; payload is 2,330 and towing capacity is 19,330; we pulled 30ft travel trailer from FL to Montana 2yrs ago and we were almost at payload max with family, hitch weight, and items in our truck bed; luckily for me, we are going to sell our camper and only be pulling horse and cow trailers.

The payload on Ram 2500’s is such a joke. Those trucks are for bumper pull trailers with small equipment like a mini excavator or skid steer, or even ATV/side by sides. I would however assume that they are the most comfortable 3/4 ton on the market due to the coil springs. Another thing to keep in mind is that an apples to apples comparison is only about a $400 (can $) difference in price. I had a 37’ bumper pull camper trailer with ~1050lbs hitch weight. I went to my dealership and built a 2022 Ram 2500 Big Horn crew cab short box 4x4 with the 6.4 Hemi. Once it was all completed I asked them to build the IDENTICAL truck in a 3500. Exact same options and it came in just over $400 (can $) more than the 2500. It was a no brainer for me and now I have 4000lbs of payload because my GVWR is 11,000# instead of capped off at 10,000# GVWR. The 2500 would have been ok for my trailer, but for a small price increase, why not. Payload is always overlooked and I’m so glad it being talked about more and more. Thanks for the video JB! Sending much love from Ontario 🇨🇦

@marshellpearson8602

Күн бұрын

The reason the 2500 payload is capped is to keep businesses under the 10k weight rating: that way their drivers don’t have to have DOT medical cards and annual checkups. It’s a numbers game that RAM is playing, and everyone dogging on their rating doesn’t understand the game being played.

I have 22 3500 long bed standard Cummins. Big horn model with no sun roof, cloth seats, and really only the radio upgraded to nav and subwoofer, plus factory bed liner and fifth wheel prep. I have a Payload as per sticker 4118 pounds. Perfect truck to actually tow with to be honest. 2700 ish hitch weight, 230 on hitch, 450 for wife and I. Leaves me roughly 700 pounds payload as I load trailer with stuff. So yes payload is most important!!!!!!

I have had both and hands down all the time 3500 for more payload and overall usage of the truck. Never will I go back to springs in the rear.

I have the 2500 with factory air bags. Pulls my skid steer and mini excavator no problem . When I’m not towing much more comfortable ride

In terms of safety, not exceeding the axle ratings are more of an important issue than exceeding the listed GVWR. I have a strong feeling that the GVWR ratings have a lot more to do with local regulations than do the actual axle ratings. In part, due to the near 2k lb difference between the gcawr and gvwr on the 2500 series. That same difference is much less on the 1 ton. While I'm not trying to make a case for driving over the legal gvwr, but safety is paramount, with ratings taking a 2nd place - due to reasons such as this. Most of our local commercial transport safety crews (at the scales) seem to work off the axle weights and gvcwr...

You have some great reviews, would like to get your opinion on a Ram truck for towing a boat

GVWR includes a full tank of gas as well as all the engine fluids in the number. You don’t have to add it in. It does not include passengers and stuff you put in the bed.

And I forgot the best part is the dullay drive like a sport car and haul or pull like a Peter Built semi you can not tell your towing until you take off or going up steep inclines like 6% or more .

90% of the time sales people at rv dealership dont know shit about towing. so do your research.

Been saying this for years brotha. I don’t care to have the biggest truck I just want my payload to not be a thought when I get in my truck.

When did Ram increase the GVWR option to 12,300? That sounds like it happened recently. Cuz ya, that Ram 3500 long bed SRW HO Cummins + Aisin (looks like a Laramie?) and 31 gallon tank, it had a payload several hundred higher than I thought it would, especially considering the additional transmission and bed weight. I'll have to re-weigh my truck because I swear, with just me in it and full fuel and DEF, it weighs less than the difference between my rated payload and the 11,500 GVWR.

Thanks for the info on the left or right trans district. Have a 19 3500 cab chassis with max tow, 4.10 gear. Just bought a used 22 3500 crew short box. Now I can easily find which transmission it has. Both are Cummins. Dodge sales guy could not tell me. On 12/28 I paid 60k for a Certified used 22 Laramie 3500 crew with 19k mile on a Ram lot. Think I did OK.

several things to consider. You cannot drive a truck plus trailer over 26,000 pounds unless you have a CDL license. The towing weight of a trailer is dependent upon the payload. In a gooseneck you want 20% of your weight in the bed and 80% in the trailer. Thus you may have something that says you can tow a lot but reality the payload will set you back or the weight of the truck will set you back unless you have a CDL license, thus a three-quarter ton generally is pretty perfect because it’s 10,000 pounds which means you can tow 16,000 trailer and tongue which means 3200 pounds can be on the bed itself

@nathand8238

2 ай бұрын

That's if you're in business

@davidcaskey4669

Ай бұрын

As long as your non-commercial weight does not come into play that's why the signs at the scales on the interstate say commercial vehicles only

There is another way to skin this cat if you’re willing to give up the Cummins… I have a 2500 Laramie crew, short bed with a Hemi and 410 axle and I have just over 3000 pounds of payload so I can legally approach the maximum trailer capacity. Not saying 18,000 pounds of trailer with a normally aspirated gas engine would be fun, but it would at least be legal!

Anyone else the Ford truck in them background love tap the curb at 12:28 time stamp…

@gobluekurt

9 ай бұрын

Hahaah was just about to type that. L

I can pull a dump trailer with roughly 6 yards of concrete in it with the 2500 Cummins just fine that truck is a beast!

No diesel for me. Give me Hemi power all day long. Have a 2023 Rm 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi I just bought and love it. Not quite as fast as my 2019 6.4 Hemi Scat Pack Challenger but that's ok. Great truck...

What about when you go with a gas engine vs Diesel? Don't you gain enough payload to make it work. I used to run diesel trucks until I found myself up North in areas where you can't find diesel filling stations. I have been running big gassers ever since then. I have also run upfitters with the extras and stickers to gain payload and towing numbers

I have always wondered the difference. Also the 3/4 ton may be more comfortable with those coil springs than leaf springs but I could be wrong with this.

Also if the dipstick is on the driver side it’s a aisen trans if it’s on passenger side it’s the 68RFE

Can replace the springs in the 2500 and shocks add 500 lbs more for the payload.

@matt4262

9 ай бұрын

State Trooper doesn't care unless you get the truck factory certified for the new specs. Cost less to get the 1 to on.

so true, that's why I sold my 2500 Ram to a 3500 Ram, I tow my fifth wheel.

I think it's great how Ram differentiates between 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton. Just buy what you need based on what you do with it. Who cares that the Coil 2500 is a mere 1 ton, that's plenty for alot of things. If you want more go to a 3500, problem solved.

If that's an HO Cummins on the 3500, then the rear axle gets bumped up from 11.5" to 12". Wonder if the frame gets changed too?

If I could find a 2500 with an 8ft bed I would have gone with that with out doing a special order 😅

This video was great JB . You helped me with my decision .. I'll be going to the Ford dealership.

I've got the 2017 Long box 6 speed manual Quad cab Jacked up 4 x4, and run My "After Market Tuner" with exhaust and custom air filter. Jacked up 4 inches to run 35 inch all terrain tires!! Towing what a basic one ton does, My knowledge Skills running the MANUAL almost Always beats the hell out of the Auto transmission One ton!! That Automatic trans is Zero compared to My RPM power Skills with my RPM, my clutch and My 6 gears!!! In ANY road trip Conditions. That Automatic trans is built to follow only one RPM power. My vision, hearing, and feeling with my skills Knows WAY more controlling that awesome TQ Cummins Torque than a factory built automatic ignorant Automatic transmission!!

@reubenparks

9 күн бұрын

The Automatic trans is built and tuned To SHIFT in precise RPM ranges!! Not Me in My Manual!!! I Safely Use the Power under MY RPM, and gear control!!! Way better than the stupid built Automatic!! Driving an Automatic version is LAZY...

My F250 had plenty of towing capacity but the pin weight capacity wasn't high enough so I traded for an F350 dually and have plenty of payload and extra weight carrying capacity so I could add an auxiliary tank and be more picky where I filled up. We recently ran into a 50mph side wind while pulling our 5th wheel and was amazed at how the dually handled it. I think a 250 or SRW350 compare to each other better than aF350 Dually does to a SRW 350. I also found out in my research that an F350 Dually has more pin weight capacity than a F450 because the 19.5" tires on a F450 are heavier. The dealer I bought mine from tried to argue that point and lost. Although I admit common sense would dictate the F450 would actually be safer with a heavy load.

whats the factory order time for a 2024 ram3500 hd mega cab 4wd high output diesel flame red cattle black int loaded with rear level air suspension

Now compare an SO srw 3500 and 2500. Difference is leafs and a gvwr sticker. These are two different trucks you’re comparing. It all has to do with federal classes. To stay within the class of truck, ram slaps a 10k sticker on it. Some states like comiefornia require Cdl on trucks with a 10k plus sticker

2000 lbs payload is good for the light towing, home depot and weekend home work.

@darrelwilcox8018

6 ай бұрын

Blah, blah, blah

When I built my Chevy 2500 the 2 ton was only $800 more so I got the 3500

@pnwdweler4100

9 ай бұрын

My 24 Sierra 2500 has nearly the same payload as the Ram 3500, I’m just under 3400 lbs. that’s a boat load more than the Ram 2500.

They have to get rid of the coils and go back to leaf springs in the 3/4 ton. Coils are for comfort., thats why the 1 ton has leaf springs.

Are the 2024 Ram HD Trucks a true 5th Gen and does it finally have the bigger cab?

Gimme dat bro truck

I would love to see a high output cummins 3500 dually long bed mega cab, laramie longhorn, 4x4 From the factory and have the ram cargo box Like it's 2024 why can we not have this as an option

All the weight limits and towing capacity is just for safety and is required by law for these trucks. My RV is 3500 bed weight (payload). My truck os rated for (2k) give or take. Also I have a triple axel rv that weights about 20k maybe 21k full of stuff. Ram does just fine. I’ve drove over 18,000 miles in 1 year on it. I DID HAVE TO CHANGE THAT CRAPPY TRANS. That’s the killer for these trucks

What is the tow rating for that 3500?

If I have a choice I would never pull a 5th wheel with out useing a dullay !

bought a 2024 3500 dually h.o. asian 4:10 crew bighorn, i can't find a factory tow rating guide

Did a condor fly over and take a dump on the 2500??

Their inventory has been sitting around for a long time, Feb 23. 7 months, are they slashing prices ?

@onesimus31

9 ай бұрын

They're prices have gone up in Georgia from what I've seen

2500 gasser for the win!

Does what have been said here also applies to ford f250 f350 ?

The tail wag is what will make me get a 3500 next.

If it’s just a grocery getter get a 2500 the rear spring is NOT for hauling anything bigger than a rzr. If you plan on towing an RV, toy hauler, anything big get a 3500.

@darrelwilcox8018

6 ай бұрын

Lol

what did chevy and ford change on the 3/4 truck to get the higher payload? and what do you think ram might have to do to get a higher payload?

@Gopher7

8 ай бұрын

The door sticker

Chevy has a MAJOR problem with parts for new vehicles. I have a 2024 Chevy 2500 HD Duramax with a transmission failure. No parts available. Already about 3 weeks into the issue. I am told this could take months to address. 2200 miles on my new truck, haven't towed yet due to several problems. Parts availability is a HUGE issue!

in california my 2021 ram 2500 4wd hemi crew cab tradesman says it weights 6471lbs unladen and has a gvwr of 10000lbs so that means i have 3529lbs of payload capacity

@christianrenteria2792

9 ай бұрын

this is what the california dmv says it weights according to vin number

@jameswkndmechanic174

9 ай бұрын

Exactly! Just get the 2500 with gas engine. Problem solved!

@Back_door_bandit_98

9 ай бұрын

@@OldRoute66So if you don’t need the diesel don’t get one.

My 2022 RAM 2500 Hemi 4x4 Laramie does everything that I need it to do.

Only thing is it's expensive to go to a 1 ton from a 3/4. Isn't the pulling the 3/4 easier

You’ll need as cdl. For a 3500 and a trailer registered for 14k lbs

@davidcaskey4669

Ай бұрын

No you don't it's not commercial. CDL =Commercial Drivers License

SRW 3500 is the way to go.

2500 for TT camper hands down. My 3500 rode like a brick wagon. Most uncomfortable truck I ever owned. Keep the 3500 for commercial and construction. Family trips will be in my 2500 bro wagon. 😂

It's pretty dumb Ram doesn't adjust the GVWR for the 3/4 long beds. They increase the capacity of the rear axle by 300lbs but don't increase the payload by the same amount.

@BigBirdNest

9 ай бұрын

I’m not familiar with USA regulations, but the reason for it here in Ontario is any vehicle registered 10,000# GVWR or under pays significantly less in registration, plates, stickers, taxes, etc.

@bradshouseful

9 ай бұрын

@@BigBirdNest I am sure it varies by state but it would not make any real difference in Ohio.

I must’ve missed the comment you speak of.

I need some info. I’m about to buy a dodge 2023 ram 2500 diesel Cummings would it be good enough to pull my 35 ft holiday trailer that is roughly 13,000 lbs loaded. So definitely won’t be doing heavy towing at any time. What would you guys go with. 2500 diesel or hemi

@carlosh6497

3 ай бұрын

Go with diesel, but in my honest opinion I have a 2021 2500 diesel tows great my 12,000lb excavator, but I also have a 3500 dually 2022 diesel and it’s a night and day different but if i were you I’d go with the ram 3500 single wheel to get the leaf springs which is much better then coil

You’re assuming everyone adheres to the uber conservative door sticker ratings. I’ve pulled a 34’, 13,000# 5er with a 2300# pin weight with my 2500 for thousands of miles, very comfortably and without any safety concerns.

Fords are even more similar between 250 and 350.

There is a reason they make both.

Because their workers are about to strike lol

UAW is going to strike so be prepared for higher prices

ACTUALLY THE FRAMES ARE THE SAME ON BOTH TRUCKS

I wish I would of gotten Dodge 3500 4door long bed dullay with 6 speed manual I have one now that I bought new in 05 and I love it and has been a great truck and I only have 151k and I have supper truss hitch with 36” extension so when Iam hauling my 10’6” Big Foot truck camper and it lets me pull my jet boat or my 1992 Donzi Classic 22’ with a 502 bbc so Iam good to go .

Johnny-Law with blue lights flashing will pull 3/4-ton cause he knows by experience you exceeded your weight limit.

@davidcaskey4669

Ай бұрын

If your not a commercial vehicle he can't give you a over weight ticket and it wouldhave to be a DOT officer anyway for a weight violation. Then he would have to have portable scales with him.or take you to a set of state certified scales and thats just for commercial vehicles. Reason I know this I have a Ram 3500 and a 32ft long tandem axle dual wheeled trailer I use to haul my farm equipment on Its a family farm nothing for profit only have small garden space rest is mostly hills need the equipment mostly to keep property cleaned up

Lol. My camper is 10 tons. A 1-ton is necessary.

will the numbers be different with gas

@Tool0GT92

9 ай бұрын

Gas is lighter, higher payload

Dammit I have a bro truck 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Exactly why I bought a 3500. Except I did one better and got it gas. Payload for dayz baby!!

Tbh i dont even know why they make a 2500 the price difference is so minimal i went 3500

@BigBirdNest

9 ай бұрын

I couldn’t agree more! It cost me $400 (can $) to get my 3500 over the 2500

Only one thing. Sales people don’t know squat about towing, capabilities, nor much else. Period. They are likely to tell someone their half ton can pull a 3 axle toy hauler. All they care about is making a sale.

Get a gas if u want to tow a fiver with the 2500. My sticker payload is 3352 lbs on my 22 2500. Limit your options if u don’t want to limit your payload.

Ram keeps 2500’s as a class 2 truck (10k gvwr). Only difference between a 2500 and a 3500 is the rear suspension. Basically the number doesn’t mean shit it’s just 10k minus weight of the truck is your sticker payload. lol at all you who think a 2500 with a hemi magically can carry more in the bed than a Cummins 😂. Don’t be scared load it up it’s gonna be fine.

Added comment: If one tows most all of the time, the 2500’s RFE68 transmission clutches may start slipping a bit, from wear, as soon as 70 to 80,000 miles. If one tows all the time, the 3500/Aisin transmission will hold up.

Government regulations. Enough said.

Ram will finally make a redesign in 2035. The current HD Ram is based on the previous generation. It’s getting long in the tooth.

@andy567t

6 ай бұрын

Cybertruck= cybertrunk,,😑🙄

Your math checks out. But reality demonstrates that numbers are simply just that….numbers. I see fat families towing large campers all the time. People will pull up to the gas station and 300 lb husband and 400 lb wife both step out of their 2500s to get their 64oz soft drinks. And I believe the towing rating takes into consideration the payload affect of the gooseneck and front end trailer weight.