I'm the guy that mentioned they were the same transmissions in your first ride video but no worries at all! Great video and info to pass info along to people! I'm actually not a fan of the wide ratio (at least on a 2 stroke for single track) and actually bought a 23 TC 250 to avoid it. I had an 11 300 XC and still have a 18 250 XC-W and really prefer the 11-22 XC trans. When I saw the new 23 XC ratios that are actually a wider spread than the 11-23 XC-W(although the 1-2 gap is a touch tighter which is nice) I decided to try the moto bike/trans. I don't really mind the low 1st on the W but hate the 1-2 gap and the 2-3 gap isn't great either. Always fighting with 1-2 on my 18. The 250 makes it worse as well but I just like 250s better. I only ride mountain single track and absolutely love this 23 and the close ratio 5 speed (geared down on the countershaft sprocket).

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Hello Glenn Thanks for inspiring me to dig deeper.

@Throttleplays

12 күн бұрын

Thx man

I’ll admit the first time I watched one of your videos I thought a tad grumpy. Now, that I’ve watched a lot of your content I very much appreciate your straight forward approach. It’s not grumpy at all, it’s honest and to the point. Thanks.

The new TBI fuel injection system has two injectors, like the TPI system, but with TBI they have different jobs. One is dedicated to idle and low speed operation, the other is for power. They are also located in different positions in the throttle body. This way the fuel mixture can be more accurately controlled in a variety of demand conditions. Cold starting behavior is also said to be improved. For those of us who ride year round in very cold weather this is good news. The TPI bikes would cold seize, even with careful warm up because the cold mix oil was injected against the reed block and wouldn’t penetrate properly until the motor was warm. There was no gasoline injected with the mix oil to act as a solvent and dilute it when cold and coagulated. TBI has an injector located on each side of the reed cage. It will be interesting to see if average fuel economy improves with the new system. I bet it will due to the newfound efficiencies.

Math checks out. My question is, why wouldnt you always do the 13/45 because that would keep the rear sprocket out of the rocks?

It's always good to hear you happy, healthy and strong

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Thanks Jeff. My 24’ 300xc has 14-48

We like long videos Jeff. Many of us get smarter every time.

Love your work Jeff!! Can't wait to swing a leg over one of these XC-W's

It's gotta be all down to the mapping now. the tuning between that and the electronic PV must give it the feel different. There is a new map as of June for the XC. Cleans up the rich low end.

This may be a silly explanation for the sprockets, but having a 13/45 to start gives you more "range" in larger sprockets to go up teeth for more low end pop on the XC-W. It is a minor detail and sure it is easy to drop a tooth up front, but for W owners it seems like they made it easier for them. My first KTM was an mid-2000's 450 EXC with a 14 up front and one of the things I did was drop the front sprocket to a 13.

Fascinating... good catch GlennRMK!

Yes Jeff I had the new map installed in my ‘23 300xc Saturday , Grand Junction Ktm did it. I call the service department and they new about it. As I was told the when they hook up to the ktm network it shows a “mandatory” software update. I’m not sure there is a map number. Any the bike is definitely leaner. Cleaner off the bottom and I felt like I had to stop and clean it out (loading up). Nice improvement. By the way great video and explanation as usual! Enjoyed your channel ever since you started it!

I don’t know but I absolutely love my 23 XC. Best Ktm I’ve owned and it’s not ever close.

@davidgrunklee8407

Жыл бұрын

Same

@radiologydr

Жыл бұрын

Same

@sao007

Жыл бұрын

250 xc hard enduro and same guys

@ncguy6518

Жыл бұрын

@@sao007 I’ve got a 23 XCW also that I ride the harder stuff in. I think the XC will do it as good or better with different gears. Trying to sell the tpi now lol

Thanks for the insight.

Wouldn’t say you were grumpy just have a dry sense of Humor which is cool with me👍

I think this is the least amount of complaints I've heard from Jeff on a new bike. That's pretty impressive. I would love to buy one but since I live in California and dirt bikes destroy the environment, I cannot be awarded a sticker. Although a cruse ship burns 1 gallon of diesel to travel 50 feet and billionaires can send themselves into space. But dirt bikes are the problem!

Jeff, that was a really good review and has shed some light on the new models that someone who hasn't owed owe yet can do. As for you being grumpy, I don't take it that way. Love your reviews and tech vids. The peeps that call you grumpy are misinterpreting your flat out directness and being candid. That's a good thing in my opinion. Thanks again!

@slaverace1

10 ай бұрын

Hello: You are correct. I don't have time to or care to sugar coat my reviews. The whimpy ass snowflakes can deal with it or grow a set, ha!

Regarding the mileage… a buddy bought a 23 XC. He claims the fuel pump intake is too high in the tank and leaves gas in the tank. I can’t personally verify this info, but thought I would pass it along.

Good video Jeff. Don't engage with loudmouth internet trolls (like me) 👍😃

That’s long overdue 🎉

Is it possible the PDS suspension reacts to the smaller sprockets better. The angles of the chain forces might be something to think about.

I immediately geared my TE300 down becayse of people saying it was needed. Regretted that immediately. My last 3 bikes were TXs. Im glad the internal gearing is the same, i was greatneoth my 23 TX300. So, back to the stock gearing i go woth my TE Pro

I read somewhere that the w has a slightly heavier flywheel as well

I love your “grump.”

Perhaps the 14 on the xc is due to the new frame and c-shaft position and it might be a factor in the chain torque or lack thereof. I don't know if they have moved the c-shaft on the W but maybe Jeff can tell us if there is a difference on how each bike loads the rear tire and how much squat they have between them.

I got a 2023 GasGas EX250F to mess around with this past Spring, so it’s the Cross Country model. In the EU they sell a EC enduro version. Anyway, from what I could find the EX model has all the same ratios as the EC. Which feels good to me.

Jeff, thank you for your informative videos. Would you say the stock xcw gearing is low enough for technical riding?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Hello: No, I've changed to 12/45 and now I'm going to add some HP to pull that gearing better.

If I remember right, I think the xcw has six less horsepower. Also after 30 KTM‘s, I actually bought a 2020 300 because I wanted oil injection and the 2020 KTM 300s FI had a few bugs in some bikes for my liking and for a bike that cost over 10k and with my luck I would have gotten one of the bad ones and my local dealers is about useless.Also Beta changed the rod length on the 2022 300s and the RR gets the longer stroke and have more hit. Now my 2020 has the same long stroke rod and it does very well and has good low end . And I’m also tall and the Suspension stock was a disaster, but once I got it revealed for my weight and added new springs and put my handlebars up to the nosebleed section it’s fine now, and you think people sometimes complain about Jeff…well most people would die if they seen how high I keep my bars and I even had to have a hydraulic clutch hose made that was 6 inches longer than stock to get it to work but it works for me. My attack position is standing straight up.

The new Beta 300 has an over square motor now, they say it much better?? Having owned one, for me the Beta motor and gearbox are great, but that's where it stops !! Great review Thanks 🙂

I can’t speak to the KTM as I have a Husky but we had some fueling issues with my 23 TX300. We tore throttle body apart the other day and we swapped injectors with a 24 TX300. We noticed the injectors were significantly different between the 2 years. 23’s have 4 nozzles in the center of the injector and the 24’s have 6 or 8 spray nozzles around the perimeter. We also hooked the bike up to KTM’s computer and it did an ecu update and 2 days later there was another update. It seems there are changes happening far faster than any of the dealers even know about.

@baldknobby

Жыл бұрын

Where can you find updated maps listed so you dont have to go to dealer to check?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Only KTM dealerships have access to the maps.

Makes sense. You would want a smaller sprocket in the rear of the XCW for hard Enduro. Less likely to catch on a rock. But it causes more friction to have a smaller, sprocket upfront and where in tear.

@jamesdenton3692

Жыл бұрын

Plus maybe weight savings???

@madman432000

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the larger sprockets on the xc for higher speed, like you say for less wear. Slower speed of xcw in tighter woods wouldn't be as big as issue. But them maybe it does have to do with countershaft placement in frame

At our age, we earned it. 😎

Still prefer my 2019 KTM 250 XC. Carb, kickstart, electric start, kick stand. Everything I want nothing I don't.

Since you mentioned that you need different ergonomics for your bike, I was wondering if you were able to source lower footpegs somewhere ? Also, yes there is new map for your 2023 xc that fixes the richness and the fault code when you hit the start button with the bike already running Thanks

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Bonjour Monsieur: Unfortunately I have not. I currently have on Fastway Evo 4 from my ‘23 W but the angle is too extreme. I’m going to heat them and twist them to change the angle. Flow Racing is working on a new lower and set back peg but it may be a minute before it’s available.

Haven’t they been the same for a few year? I though the 11-16 chassis was the last one to get a transmission change between the 2 bikes.

Jeff do you install a softer seat? I really like the Seat Concepts unit.

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Seat Concepts Comfort seat, slavensracing.com/product-category/body/seats/seat-concepts-seats/ .

Im really torn which to get now. I currently have a Honda 450RX and its too big and burly for our tight wood trails. I was hoping the w was a wide ratio for the rare time i do ride open trail i can cruise and not be wide open.

Does the mapping switches include traction control as well for the new 24 300 XCW? Thanks for your videos

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

No.

I just went to 13/50 on my 23 TX300. Best bike I have ever owned.

@tdubbs934

Жыл бұрын

I got the same bike. They are awesome!

Surprising

Lol, don't be Grump shamers 😂. You're alright, Jeff

What’s up with the apparent pipe difference? The way the XC’s is tucked up against the bike seems like it would perfect for the W.

If you’re putting parts on the ‘24 300xcw, is it the same as the ‘23 XC? Trying to get a few parts order and am not well versed on understanding the changes from the old model to the knew one to feel confident everything will work/fit

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Hello: We are rapidly updating our site but yes, '23 XC parts fit the W or you can always call us for help.

Noticed you've changed to an FMF pipe already. Which pipe did you pick and was it by choice or damage?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Hello Mike: I'm testing the Fatty and the Gnarly. Stay tuned for a video report.

Well you know most likely they decided that the x c should have a wider ratio transmission like the xc-w and maintain the linkage rear shock. I mean being also a KTM and Yamaha owner I would be willing to plunk down the cash for the wide ratio transmission to fully convert my YZ into a yz250x.

And the maps who does it work? Do we really need to buy it?

So I'm guessing the SX ratios will drop in if you want, maybe? Seems like all the factory hard enduro bike builds start with an XC-W/TE and one of the mods they seem to always mention is dropping the XC/TX ratios in. Hard to believe they would take that away from those guys.

I see you're still running the stock silencer, is it a spark arrestor now stock?

@baldknobby

Жыл бұрын

Negative.

Still waiting for someone to do a real riding experience between the 2023 tpi and the 2024 TBI. XCW. TE or EC.

Jeff, can you help, I am picking up a 2024 tomorrow. I am shopping on your site and have some goodies in my cart ready to check out but I need help, can you tell me if the KTM Extreme parts fan SKU: EP-RFT-TPI , with the temperature relay, will it work with this Bike? does this bike have the same plug ?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Hello, the Extreme Parts Fan Kit EP-RFT-TPI will not fit the new 2024 models. Extreme Parts has a fan kit for these models that we will have up on our website soon. The Trail Tech Fan Kit FN3 does fit all off the 2024 models except the MX models (KTM SX/SX-F, Husqvarna TC/FC, and GasGas MC/MC-F).

I'm still showing 13/50. 13/45 seems weird. My '22 te was 13/52. I want to try a 50 on it. Interesting they would go back to the 50, maybe the tbi has a little more in the motor department than the tpi. Or I'm all wrong, that is the case from time to time.

Looking around the house for things to sell…

Look at it as a manufacturer not a dirtbiker. To boost profits for 23/24 they are standardizing on as much as possible. Larger qty orders of one part from suppliers means big qty discounts, it unifies production processes, inventory, warranty, trouble shooting etc. All the small differences betweeen models over the years has been really complicated theri business.

I noticed difference in woods between my 21 Husky tx and my new 2023 Tx 300 and suspected this wider trans was now on all,I prefer the older xc/Tx close ratio. I tried with 14/50,51 and 52. still ok but not as good as old close ratio,

@lacave9629

6 ай бұрын

Now what are u gearing on your 300 tx 23 after testing?

Whats up with the doble leavers on the left side...

@slaverace1

11 ай бұрын

slavensracing.com/shop/dual-actuated-left-hand-rear-brake-kit-ktm-berg-hqv-rekluse/

I sure like the looks of your xc. The orange graphics color is different than the '24.

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I understand that your saying the primary transmission ratios are the same and I've done the same and checked the part numbers but......I've heard a ktm PowerPoint presentation saying the primary drive transmission ratios are different. Might be worth pulling both primary covers off and counting the teeth

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, I have better things to do.

Do they have a different flywheel from xc ?

@baldknobby

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Is the suspension valving different between the two bikes?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Yes, because the `24 chassis is stiffer.

@IslandRider

Жыл бұрын

@@slaverace1 I meant between the 24xc and 24 xcw

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

@@IslandRider The `24 XC and XCW have two totally different suspension designs so yes the valving is different.

@IslandRider

Жыл бұрын

@@slaverace1 thank you! I’ve always had xc, both are the same price here in Canada just trying to decide which one

Could ktm part numbers be incorrect? If the transmissions are the same maybe they will drop the "W" name in USA and go with EXC. If this years bike is so good I'm curious who all was involved in development and engineering etc. anyone new or just all the stars lined up at this point in time.

How do I find the gear ratios in my 2023 150 exc?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

They are listed in the owner's manual.

Does anyone know if the weird 5th gear on the 500 is fixed in 2024? I’ve googled until my eyes are bleeding and can not find the answer anywhere

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

What is the weird 5th gear issue you are experiencing?

"best biker ever owned, or it will be...".

Jeff, who does your suspension?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Hello: I use our proprietary Slavens Mule MX Tech Raven forks slavensracing.com/shop/slavens-mule-mxt-blackjack-49mm-complete-fork-w-luxon-triple-clamp/ and our Slavens Mule National shock slavensracing.com/shop/slavens-mule-national-shock-mxt/ . If you want a great revalve for your stock components, contact Greg at www.factorysuspensionworks.com.

??so what is the w stand for?? Very strange thanks!!!

@TheRaind33r

Жыл бұрын

He says it in the video. Watch it again.

Are the new xc-w tbi? Can you just throw the 2t pump away and use premix?

@slaverace1

9 ай бұрын

No, unfortunately not that easy. We will offer an oil pump delete kit soon, but it will require the ECU to be remapped.

Is the European EXC tbi closer to the XC or XC-W? Or none?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

EXCs and XCWs are basically the same models. The '24 EXC/XCW/XC all of have the same gearbox.

@miro_s

Жыл бұрын

@@slaverace1 thanks

Difference between grumpy and calling a spade a spade. Keep being "grumpy"

So the 24 XCW’s are de-tuned 23 XC’s with “decent” stock forks that are going to have ravens or something else dropped in… like the what everyone is doing with the XC’s…

@FrankyboyGiovanni-yz8qi

Жыл бұрын

Xv hsve same fork

The gearing may match the extra torque🤔

Just got my 24' 300 XCW. Seems rich on the bottom and the gearing is WAY too tall. WTF, where is the granny gear!

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Hello Bald Dude I suspect your W does not have the latest map. Return to your dealer and ask them to update it. No more granny gear. The new tranny is much better but sounds like you need to change sprockets to make it work for you.

@baldknobby

Жыл бұрын

@@slaverace1 Yeah, I called and they said when they had it hooked up to unlock it today, it said it didn't need an update. I put a 12 tooth on and it's more like my 2020 XCW.

The map switch from the 23 xc will work with the 24 xcw

Yess the ratio si the same. But you préfèr 13x45 or 14x49 ? because front sprocket produces a change in behavior. Front 13 better or front 14 with same ratio that is the question 🤔🤔 utilisation for enduro GP not extrême

@slaverace1

6 ай бұрын

Hello: I run 12/45 on my '24 300 XCW.

@lacave9629

6 ай бұрын

@@slaverace1 yes for extrême enduro but for gncc or enduro gp in Europe it is better to use a 13 sprocket or a 14 sprocket according to you??

13-45 wow , how will that effect sproket life , gotta be reduced surely ?

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Currently running 12/45.

I thought the W in xc-w stood for women 😂

Great video mister grumpy hehehhe

@slaverace1

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Thank you Mr. Grumpy Beta Basher! LOL 😂😂😂