2024 Ineos Grenadier Review - The BMW G-Wagon
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2024 Ineos Grenadier review by The Straight Pipes. The Ineos Grenadier is putting down 282 horsepower and 332 lb-ft of torque from a Turbo 3L inline 6 cylinder. At $103,079 CAD, would you take it over the Toyota Land Cruiser, Jeep Wrangler, Ford Bronco, Mercedes G550, Lexus GX, Land Rover Defender?
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One day when i'm a billionaire, I'll be building my dream V12 centre positioned single seat hypercars. But for now i'll drive my Mazda.
@gman0724
7 күн бұрын
it would be nice to own a mazda.
@lucassitanggang5154
7 күн бұрын
Video it's just 15 minutes ago, your comment was 10 hours ago?
@somerandomfella
7 күн бұрын
@@lucassitanggang5154 time travel 😱
@kurt44ko
7 күн бұрын
@@lucassitanggang5154yuri’s burner lol
@TheLoki1983
7 күн бұрын
V12 based on the Mazda inline 6?
The steering is designed this way because this truck is strictly for off-road and overtrail use. A highly responsive steering wheel, like those in sports cars or modern vehicles, would make it challenging to control in serious off-road conditions.
@TheStraightPipes
7 күн бұрын
Hell ya
@gaeleus
Күн бұрын
That’s exactly right
The steering is like that specifically for more precise control when offloading - think it stops the wheel from violently spinning in your hands if you go over certain obstacles. Infotainment system is a ground up Ineos design.
@hummerltheOh
7 күн бұрын
Yeah it's a recirculating ball steering like the G class had pre 2018.
@user-yi4ic9vj6h
7 күн бұрын
There’s also a popular steering stabiliser by Fox you can get aftermarket to help with return to center. … and one Ineos Dealer in the US just announced that Ineos will address that annoying speed limit function by letting you turn it off and have it stay off. Big plus!
@hummerltheOh
7 күн бұрын
@@user-yi4ic9vj6h If only we could have the same turn off - stay off thing for the speed limit warning in the EU as well. Or at least put a hotkey somewhere that allows you to turn it off in one click (like Mercedes has on the touchscreen and also the steering wheel for instance)
One of the coolest vehicles to be unveiled in the last couple years
Yuri is gripped into that seat
@tommyortuno
7 күн бұрын
He holding on for dear life 😂😂😂😂
Cant wait to see a 9 sec 1/4th mile Grenadier. That motor is a gift from the gods
B58 Mentioned. Jack/Ethnic Yuri: Neurons activated.
Y'all need a microfiber cloth sponsor.
@TheTyisawesome
7 күн бұрын
Right that infotainment screen was looking cranked lmao
@johngaudet6316
5 күн бұрын
For sure I have one in my Volvo and just put one the Saab 9-3 convertible. Lol ❤
>bmw g Wagen Honestly never thought of it like that but you guys are spot on.
That BMW shifter stands out like a sore thumb. Who ok'd that?
@user-vx7vi3vq1c
7 күн бұрын
Same thought. It looks totally out of place.
@willb3018
7 күн бұрын
Couldn't agree more.
@dmbassett
6 күн бұрын
I read it was gonna cost a lot of $$$ to design one when the BMW shifter came with the motor! I don't mind it it's just to select D !
@elementkx
6 күн бұрын
@@dmbassett they couldn't just swap the physical shifter out and put a knob or something?
@boughtandpaidforautoreview1150
6 күн бұрын
Probably Toyota
All those buttons on the overhead panel! I love it, you're basically in a mini flight cockpit at that point. More buttons pls
When fording a river, if you hit it too hard and your fan is spinning, the fan can bend and impact the rad punching a hole in it. Either put a metal fan on or have a switch to turn off the fan when fording.
@mrskflynn
7 күн бұрын
There is a Wading Mode for a reason.
Seems like Jakub is getting upset with Yuri more often.
@cbotten106
6 күн бұрын
It's like a marriage. Too much like a marriage.
Despite it's shortcomings this thing is still undeniably cool. It's not a global-platform product-planner special.
So before going to court over making his own defender, Jim Ratcliffe reached out to JLR just wanting to buy their tooling so he could keep making parts to keep his defenders alive, they refused so he decided he would make his own. *Then* they sued him.
I sense some tension here. They not getting along?
Jakub: "Apparently this company is coming out with an EV." Yuri: "I don't wanna know anything about that." Brilliant.
Saw one in person today and I’m in love with it
Of course the minute you post this I see one on the road for the first time - with Ontario plates even! Looks great.
There are like 7 of these driving around the city I live, and I like seeing them. It's new but a little retro :)
From what I read the steering wheel is made this way specifically for offroading, if you hit something with a wheel the steering wheel wont break your hand. The lack of self correcting is made for accuracy when youre offroading
@australia-ukraine
5 күн бұрын
What you read is nothing but foolish justification of a serious problem with this vehicle. Read feedback from owners who lost steering control while driving this car on the road. Perhaps losing steering control has another explanation and a “good” reason as well… I don’t know.
@calebwany8422
5 күн бұрын
@@australia-ukraine it's a vehicle designed specifically for offroading, if you want a pavement princess then get the jeep wrangler or land cruiser
This is what I want! I want the optional off roading package with the lockers and all! Outstanding example of "old-school" being built today!
I can feel the tension
@dta2599
6 күн бұрын
😬
I wish there was more cars like this, made by a real person that actually uses the car
You want the fan off in wading mode because the viscosity of the water can pull the fan blades into the radiator or engine. Plus the sudden shock loading of the fan isn't good for the motor or the fan.
Enjoyed the review. Have a Trialmaster and I agree with most of your comments.😊
Steering: please let it go! 😂🎉 this thing is made to off-road the world and never break. It is supposed to climb like a goat. Turning ratio is not ideal to park at Walmart... it is a utilitarian vehicle to overland. When off-roading hard, go figure what breaks, even on the jeep. It is made for longevity. For those who don't like the steering, utilitarian truck isn't for you. There are other cards to drive downtown with. Awesome review guys, as usual. Greetings from 🇫🇷
Its got play in it so if your front tyres hit a rock or drop off road, the sudden change in direction doesn't break your arms as its translated up the rack and into the steering wheel. Same steering you'll find on military HUMVEEs (H1) and the old British Army Defenders.
Love that it’s a solid axle !!!
Waiting is so that you don't break off the radiator fan blades in the water when it switches on while you are crossing deep water. You deactivate the fans to prevent this.
These are really growing on me!
I actually really love what he's done here. It has a lot of character, which so many cars lack (vintage new). 😮👌🏽 However, I hope they are able to address some of those handling issues to make the thing feel a little more manageable & safe on the road, where it will likely be driven 98% of the time.
I'm so glad I never went through with my purchase on this one. As one new owner put it "some parts of my Grenadier looks like it was put together by a 5-year old". Hopefully they cleaned up some of the quality control issues but after seeing this review, especially with the steering, I feel even better having skipped this.
@valije
7 күн бұрын
What quality control issues? where can I find more information about that?
@HalWalfield
7 күн бұрын
You missed out by not going through with it! It’s amazing and hands down my favorite car I have owned. The review was good but didn’t do it justice. The quality has been outstanding and I have had only 1 minor issue.
@MJ-sg8ov
7 күн бұрын
Zero quality problems on mine. It’s completely solid, and incredibly fun to drive. It isn’t a stellar highway cruiser, but for camping on off-road trails or to take to the beach as a second/third car, it’s awesome.
@ElderStatesman-pi3lc
7 күн бұрын
So what’s the problem with 5-year-olds putting together their dream car? Most of us who own them are man-children so it’s a perfect match.
@NextDoorGuy
6 күн бұрын
Tesla asks more money for cars with worse build quality, so I wouldnt call that a dealbreaker
Great video!!
Yuri needs to do his research about the product that he does not know or feel very comfortable. This vehicle is very well reported on the overland/off road youtube channel. He would get the explanation for the numb steering. I will let him look it up! Jacob seems to be more "aware", but do not shy to be a tad bit more technical, especially at this price point to a new make and brand! Also, I would have had an off road comparative drive with the 2 nearest competitors. What are the pros, the cons, cool stuff, things that need work? My Canadian Nickel.
@TheStraightPipes
6 күн бұрын
Just think of me (yuri) as the regular person hopping in the car for the first time not knowing what to expect. It’s a unique dynamic you won’t get from any other outlet
@mrdeeds83
6 күн бұрын
@@TheStraightPipes Yuri, thanks for taking the time to reply. I think that you have good intentions, but the fact is, this is not a vehicle that an average customer would consider from the get go. Sir James Radcliffe made it specifically because he thought the new Defender was a rebranded LR4. The fact is this is a very capable off roader that is built for proper off roading. It is even more rugid, but zero luxury as opposed to the Gwagen which is luxurious first and quite capable secondly. I have seen a few around Montréal and the buyers are all proper off roaders. Cheers.
living in an area where everyone drive 5-10 over the speed "limit", the beeping sounds like a nightmare
@willb3018
7 күн бұрын
You know it's coming. Set aside additional 1-20 minutes depending on how long your trips will be and how many stops.
@mrskflynn
7 күн бұрын
Software update addresses the speed limit clicking not saving
@orcarcher
3 күн бұрын
It a EU mandatory requirement from 2024 onwards, why they havent disabled it in cars sold elsewhere is wierd though
They are not vibing as smoothly as usual. It seems like they are annoyed each other and trying to hide it.
@garretts3619
5 күн бұрын
I’ve noticed that for a while now and wondered if anyone else was picking up on that?
I found the recipe if you want to make of of these at home. Defender body, but sprinkle in some G-Wagon style (look at the bumpers), add a bmw drivetrain, use a Nissan armada infotainment screen, smart car steering wheel, everything else is a generic from autozone or eBay. Edit: and a Volkswagen Jetta key.
The steering and turning radius - the concept of “road” is more of a suggestion than a physical limitation for the Grenadier. I mean, we like knowing it’s there, but if we happen to wander off into a field or down into a ravine, no big deal. It’s called a “scenic detour.” Eventually, we’ll find the road again, at some point. Also, your remark “if my wife needed to drive this, I would not buy it . . .” - that’s a feature, not a defect.
yaayy! love it! want one!
This is perfect. I hope they roll out more dealerships.
The fact that the steering is off sucks but otherwise looks like a great off road vehicle !
Its got a low geared recirculating ball steering which is best for off road as it reduces steering kick back. Then remember its a ladder frame chassis with solid axles, also best for off roading, which explains the ride and handling. A BMW Defender would be a better analogy perhaps.
Very cool, specially if you wanna feel like a Bond villain.
self centering issue could be corrected in caster wheel alignment?
Ive been keeping up with them for years now and wanted one. Sadly, as I expected, they’re too much for me but maybe one day I’ll be able to afford them..but i doubt it
I just noticed this vehicle yesterday parked outside the store in Vancouver... now i know what it is!
shits wild. i love it
Design wise, looks like an old defender crossed with a G wagen and this is their baby
Proper steering, portal axles, 35" tires, and a central tire inflation/deflation system. That's literally all this needs to become a full-blown offroad vehicle. The rest of it is already there.
@ianwatson3315
7 күн бұрын
There is one just like you asked..but these guys decided to review the one 400 other reviewed have already done 🙄
@mcnuggetapple
7 күн бұрын
Portal axles are stupid expensive and not necessary at all lol
@3204clivesinclair
7 күн бұрын
It already is very capable of road. It's also very usable on road - as it is designed. The guy wanted and used all the best off the shelf components and a reputable company to build it. He did all that.
@spdcrzy
7 күн бұрын
@@mcnuggetapple stupid expensive, yes. But compared to lifting the suspension, it retains the original geometry MUCH better, and is much more reliable in the long run as a result. See: every single Gelandewagen and Unimog ever made with portals.
@spdcrzy
7 күн бұрын
@@3204clivesinclair except for the steering. That's a straight up cost cutting measure.
a shame they don't offer a diesel in north america. That would've been an advantage over it's competitors.
@user-vx7vi3vq1c
7 күн бұрын
Given the emissions regs on diesels it’s almost not worth it. This has plenty of power and torque.
I hate the rear lights, there's clearly a shape in the bodywork there for a custom light but for cost cutting reasons I guess they just implemented off the shelf round lights instead. Besides that it's cool, although not for me with it being a bit too agricultural in nature and that's fine, not everything has to be for me. Could've still done with a driver's display/gauges though.
Ben Hardy watching this review video for sure
Just watched Jenny Nicholson's Evermore theme park review before this. Rich guys building wacky things 90% for themselves and 10% for everyone else: if nothing else it's always interesting to see the results, and makes for fun youtube videos.
I feel like the two of them aren’t getting along more and more as the videos progress? Anyone else feel that way?
Bold, capable, and stylish
We rented a new X3 through Sixt in Europe a couple weeks ago, and turning off the speed warning was the first thing we did before driving any further (or the first thing we forgot after driving away). The beep is so annoying.
The OEM Steering stabilizer is from from Ram 3500. Switch to Fox and all the issues are resolved.
Got to shoot one in person, super cool. Just wish the interior was nicer for price
@ElderStatesman-pi3lc
7 күн бұрын
Absolutely not. We bought them for the build and capability and are absolutely trying our best to break them (not very successfully). Some GWagen or Pretender interior would be a waste of money. They need to stick with the priorities. Built On Purpose. Let everyone else go buy a GX 550 or Defender. Or drop another 50k on a custom interior and absolutely look like a tool.
Y'all need to fight and get it out of the way!
This brand new vehicle sounds like it steers about the same as my 1988 grand Wagoneer “the steering wheel points you in the general direction of where you need to go. “
This was designed to be a hard-core offroad vehicle for farmers, utility companies etc. and that's why feels less than precise on the road. Obviously many of these are never going more off-road than the local shopping mall but it's intended to be more at home lugging workers to mines or searching for broken powerless far off the beaten track. The original Defender has a transmission brake rather than a parking brake (safer off-road but you'll trash the entire driveline if it's used when in motion (so no use for drifting).
Solid axle recirculating ball steering. It should be just like the Jeep Wrangler. The wheel not recentering has more to do with alignment. The cooling fan can be sucked into the radiator in water.
Wading mode turns off the radiator fan because the resistance from water can break a fast spinning fan blade off.
How is it on the road compared to a wrangler and bronco?
Jakub: Yuri, I'm gonna let you drive but first, let me hit this bird
Wow it made it here!
You can shift manually with the shifter in M/S Mode and it stays in manual, so not completely useless. 😅 Wanna see a B58 Stage 2 Tune in one of these. Does MHD support it? 😬
You should use seatbelt attachments and appropriate harnesses for dogs. Want to protect them from as much damage in a collision as possible.
@ElderStatesman-pi3lc
6 күн бұрын
Nope - leash on the bumper, Clark Griswold style
Lada Niva next please
My 2018 JL wrangler’s steering is exactly like that
Yuri - now its time to feature some of your R/C experience!
@TheStraightPipes
6 күн бұрын
I’ll buy an Rc plane and land it on cliche corner
@thewatersavior
6 күн бұрын
@@TheStraightPipes Also, no lie, a flying view through cliché corner would be sick
Already seeing those parked in Erewhon and Wholefood parking lots and pulling gated neighborhoods here in LA🤣🤣
I would buy one of these. It’s a poor man’s G Wagon.. Also, the quirky little design features are part of the appeal of this design and vehicle.. Nice work guys…
Fan off to prevent fan from breaking off in water cuz water is surprisingly heavy.
Lmfaooo the overhead panel switches legit look like airbus switches
It would be cool if they did a Discovery too.
The speed and lane departure beep would kill the deal for me. A darn shame I'd love to own one!
Ineos should do a restomod of the Triumph TR6 or the original Mini.
@cbotten106
3 күн бұрын
Yeah, something interesting.
Next step should be the short wb ver
you should go to the rimac dealer in montreal... or if you want a vinfast theres also a dealer in montreal
Can you honk both horns at once?
Wow, English, German, and French? So its going to leak oil, have electrical issues, and be snobby?
Ah man I love a widdle wadder on my trucks
👍 excellent. "The G-Wagon, BMW should have built." Very cool. Very true.
Yuri looks like he "indulged" before the review. 😂
@nemomilo333
6 күн бұрын
I noticed too lol Jacub looked mad at him and the review seemed a bit off 😅
@talal309
Күн бұрын
Was that review shot in April 20th? 😇
I like how he said there are 6 fonts with only 5 letters in the name.
that body roll looks scary.
From Top Gear - "The Grenadier uses a recirculating ball set-up, a heavier and more ponderous solution than its rack and pinion equivalent but also much more robust and shock-proof off-road. It needs 3.85 turns lock-to-lock and doesn't self-centre, so driving the Ineos in town can be quite the workout. "
@TheStraightPipes
6 күн бұрын
Nice
5:28 it says it's a station wagon. interesting, they're finally calling a spade a spade!
That's some GTA type name here :D
Cool as hell! But wonder how the long term reliability and durability will be…. How will it compare to a G wagen??
1989 Cutlass Ciera had 15 countries flags on it
Wading mode : so the fan doesnt disintegrate while spinning when hits the water
There is also a dealership im Framingham, Ma
@BryanPike
7 күн бұрын
KO Ineos where my Grennie will arrive in September.
This thing is the opposite of everything that is happening to cars right now and I love it for that. If I could, I would buy one. Simple reliable, proven engineering. Old fashioned analog and switches everywhere. Although I didn't like how it lifted its outside front wheel in those corners... Roll over prone?
Magna Steyr is in Graz (right next to where the G class is being developed, actually), so in theory it should also have an Austrian flag on there 😄
I might be one of the weird ones in the group, but I would love to see this in a 2 door version.
Yuri cannot hide his disdain for this Ineos
@TheStraightPipes
6 күн бұрын
Lol naw just had a hard time pronouncing it. Like teeyota and mezda or nissAn
If BMW can change laser lights for US regulations that speed beeper thingy need to be left in European spec cars only.