It’s a shame that GM is killing the Camaro. It’s truly gonna be missed..

@enacku

4 ай бұрын

they prob getting tired of being fined by Biden for cafe standards

@Steve-yr5vi

4 ай бұрын

perhaps but not by many.... I see so few of them on the road I had thought they'd already stopped making them.

@Godzukidan

4 ай бұрын

Mustang is just a better built car. It takes a 6.2 to run with the 5.0. It is so sad that GM is going to stop making the Camaro. I love the American muscle cars. I hope they do not bring it back as a EV. The Mustang EV is a joke. Just my opinion.

@whereisthedollar

4 ай бұрын

GM killed it already. Last one rolled off the assembly line 12/14/23. Not even a whimper by GM about it.

@SuzukiKid400

4 ай бұрын

@@Steve-yr5vi You see so few because GM wouldn't build enough cars. I've had an order in for an SS 1LE for 2 years at 2 different dealerships and neither could get an allocation. GM stiffing the public for SOLD and ORDERED cars. Just like what happened to Sam for his CT5-V BW.

The stock MT82 have ALWAYS been absolute garbage never understood why Ford kept them in production after so many people complained about them in 2011-2014

@klasseact6663

4 ай бұрын

Cheap and China go hand and hand

@DaSliceAndDice

4 ай бұрын

The Getrag MT82 D4 is the revised version of the MT82 that was in the 2011-2017 stangs. It has much longer gears and has worse acceleration than the original MT82.

@Sneaky5.sl0w.

4 ай бұрын

@@DaSliceAndDice I'm a Mustang guy all the way but one thing I'll admit I'd that Chevy/GM did good by putting a decent manual in their Camaro/Corvette lineups. I've driven a 2016 Manual 2SS and loved the transmission.

@DaSliceAndDice

4 ай бұрын

@@Sneaky5.sl0w. Yeah man I agree they definitely have the better manual tranny. I have a 2018 GT manual myself and I’m considering either swapping the tranny for a Tremec or putting 4.09 gears in. The gears will be a lot cheaper I’ll probably go that route.

@rd5991

4 ай бұрын

They’re not that bad for daily driving. For racing yea.

That was a nice rolling burnout from the Camaro lol

I took Sam's advice on the 1LE, and now it's in my garage. (2023 1ss 1le rapid blue) best bang for your buck 👌

@SamCarLegion

4 ай бұрын

Congratulations

@Dherpy

4 ай бұрын

I got the s650 and low key wish I got a camaro

@dickwoods536

4 ай бұрын

​@@inyoface1641Oh no... he likes the Camaro more .. whatever shall you do now.. 😒

@Platos-Den

3 ай бұрын

What are the reasons your disappointed?

@dickwoods536

2 ай бұрын

@@inyoface1641 Chill out dam!! Ford V Chevy is dead do u have war PTSD or something well sorry lol not my fault

I own a 2021 Camaro SS 1LE 6 speed. It is by far the best car for the money. It can run with any car for the most part on a track, and still run light to light with the new cars. This was a fun video to watch as a Camaro owner. Thanks...

@restlessyouthproductions

4 ай бұрын

Camaro is a great car . I love both of them for what they bring. Camaro hands down best bang for the buck on the market.

@danaberman6929

4 ай бұрын

@@inyoface1641 and still beat them.

@Bimmer_Bill

4 ай бұрын

😂

@davothegreat9990

4 ай бұрын

​​@@danaberman6929and stopped making them too!! Camaros are crap

@p.smallz6168

4 ай бұрын

@@inyoface1641Mach 1 isn’t wrecking a 1le on a road race track dude. Been proven over and over. And again.

bro said, "I was doing quick shifting" lol you can't even shift properly 😂😂

@RandyLaheyJulian

10 күн бұрын

He’s ass

It’s the driver, not the car 😂

@anthonybartholomew2173

4 ай бұрын

Yes he is nit the best i have watched many of his videos and always get disappointed whith his shifting.

@christianxc98

4 ай бұрын

Dude has to use manual every damn video shit is annoying

@mmanzanozr1

4 ай бұрын

Mustangs are garbage, it's the car

@hondaman7939

4 ай бұрын

@@mmanzanozr1 oh boy first off, have you’ve ever owned one and don’t lie, and second if they were, they would never put any of them on this channel or anywhere else, don’t sit up on here and hate on something that you don’t even have proof of being garbage, your answer is very irrelevant sir , try again 😉

@mmanzanozr1

4 ай бұрын

@@hondaman7939 i own a c6 Corvette, mustangs are absolute garbage especially this new bullshit one.

As a car enthusiast, automotive worker, and 10 year drag racing veteran, this is my take. The first roll race the revs were too low for the stang, the Big Chevy V8 on the other hand was right in the torque sweet spot and pulled way. The 2nd roll race put the mustang in its sweet spot, smaller, multi valve V8 loves to rev, and it pulled away. 1st drag race the Camaro went up in smoke... which happens. (Even with drag radials on a prepped track I've done it more than once). But, the 2nd drag race, it sounds to me that he may have bogged the Mustang.... which once that is done in such closely matched cars... game over. I have heard many complain about the stock GT manual, and could see him not shifting it aggresively because of it. EIther way, nice to see both cars run through their paces.

@benjaminmatute9085

3 ай бұрын

Respect. And you put it in a way I could never.

@jscism1972

3 ай бұрын

Camaro will take the Mustang off the line EVERY TIME with more torque. That is facts. Mustang cannot outrun the Camaro in any scenario although it's close in the 1/4 mile. Both are nice cars for the money. Who cares cause it's splitting hairs. No hate on the Mustang here, I would buy one if it was the right car.

@kights0

2 ай бұрын

I shift mine way harder sometimes. He definitely could have shifted faster. It feels like you're breaking it but it will get you there.

@HopLowHops

2 ай бұрын

He needs to work on his shifting.

@jeremymvail

2 ай бұрын

Refreshing to read a comment from someone who actually understands in depth the differences between the two cars . Tired a super fan boys

I have had 3 camaros in my life. 13 2SS, 16 2SS, 21 1SS 1LE and i gotta say... 1LE is THE BEST bang for your buck car. The corner capability in itself is worth every penny and more.

@Bimmer_Bill

4 ай бұрын

😂

@sekharz10

3 ай бұрын

Why shouldn't I get one of them.....loved that #bumblebee edition

@moisesjuarez360

3 ай бұрын

Definitely driver mode

@dashforcash6555

2 ай бұрын

Wanna drag race for pinks? Check out my 1992 foxbody you might have a slight chance if l roast the tires.

@dansherwood9851

2 ай бұрын

Sure..my 900hp ZL1 would love to. But who wants a crap stang? It’d just run over folks😂

Sharkskin metallic looks amazing on that Camaro 0:54

I recently pulled up on, and then blew the doors off of a Camaro SS in a roll race, from about 60 mph, in my Dark Horse. My car has legs, she knows how to use them. 😅

Mustang vs. Camaro is always fun to watch. Of course automatics are going to be quicker and we need to know the gear ratio in the respective differentials, but fun to watch nevertheless.

@LT1Camaro

4 ай бұрын

Automatics aren't always quicker. I was able to hit 11.8 in my stock 23 camaro LT1 manual with just radials. Fastest stock automatic camaro I've seen at the track was 12.0

@JussDraftfr

4 ай бұрын

@@LT1Camaro proof? auto is always faster. it hits the highest rpms before it change gears. youre guessing before you hit redline

@shannonandsheila1403

4 ай бұрын

​@JussDraftfr Guessing i guess tachs dont exist

@johnnyringo35

2 ай бұрын

Do that Everytime and then it means something.... .until then automatics will be the top choice for drag racing.

@Loulovesspeed

Ай бұрын

@@johnnyringo35- The automatics are so much quicker on a road course since it is shifting numerous times in a given race. A manual trans just can't keep up with it!

Classic shootout between these 2 iconic muscle cars Thanks Sam Another banger 👏👏👍👍 Happy new year 🙏

That Camero has not change much since 2016 same hp and torque.

@G-Rated

4 ай бұрын

Same as their trucks right? That’s what you call tried and *true.* When you do things correctly the _first_ time there’s less corrections and modifications that take place later on to improve.

@Forever.Remain.Nameless

4 ай бұрын

And beating ford's newest 😂

@al151

25 күн бұрын

If somehow GM added the lt2 intake manifold to these camaros and match the c8 corvette power torque numbers, it would have been awesome. They just killed it instead.

With cars so evenly matched it comes down the drive.

The classic rivalry Camaro vs. Mustang. For me, the Camaro is the more aggressive looking & more track focussed car. When I decided 4 years ago between either Mustang (GT 350 cause the GT500 was not yet available in Germany) or Camaro (ZL1) I decided for the ZL1 as a 6-speed and did not regret it until today! With a few slight mods only it performs solid almost 700hp/900 NM and the car feels great and looks adorable!

@itbwen9672

4 ай бұрын

I agree. The only thing I’d take over the Camaro is the sound the coyote v8s make. The Camaros suspension, handling, power, is all amazing and surpasses the mustang in many cases.

@Bimmer_Bill

4 ай бұрын

😂

@f8widescat392

4 ай бұрын

Cool story bro

@davothegreat9990

4 ай бұрын

​@@itbwen9672if Camaros are so great why did they stop making them. Stangs must be the greatest!

@jmmch3358

4 ай бұрын

​@@davothegreat9990Bad marketing strategy from GM

If you guys cant shift, bring automatics. No shade

I love my 23 SS 1LE, the car is 🔥

@dham99

3 ай бұрын

its 🔥? So..its a Tesla? 🤔😅

@tskraj3190

2 ай бұрын

@@dham99 If it's a Tesla would be an electric fire or battery explosion.

both are good American Coupe´s.

Race the 10 speed Mustang vs the 10 Speed Camaro

Should switch cars for some races too. A lot of these seem to come down to the driver more than the car.

People may complain about that first drag race but that's real life. Great video Sam!

6.2 vs. 5.0. Got it.

I know people like driving manuals but for comparison sake, taking the driver out of the equation as much as possible is better.

Those were some real granny shifts in the mustang.

Appreciate the video. Not apple to apples though breh. GT PP would be the minimum for that to be a fare race. You need to bring the performance pack to that fight when you can find an S650. You were handicapped with allseason tires, not the Summer tires on the PP, lower gear ratio which was really the problem with the transmission which is like 3.55 not 3.73 like the PP MT82 could still compete with GT PP Dif and ratio, The suspension was also the stock trash springs and shocks that buck like mustang literally on a manual, Not sure but I know the 1LE suspension is way stiffer and likely has Magnetic Controls shocks as well. Again grateful for the content, but please run it back when you can get a GT PPS550 , Mach 1 or PP S650 next time you race the 1le.

@xorbitman

4 ай бұрын

I agree totally. Suspension setup, tires and airflow mgmt are very important. Just because Ford prices are unrealistic doesn't mean their cars compete in the same price/performance categories.

@slaterelliott3780

4 ай бұрын

to add to ur point the mustang has 3.15s not 3.55 so even longer

@mmanzanozr1

4 ай бұрын

Maybe it's just a shit car. Seems like it to me.

@Forever.Remain.Nameless

4 ай бұрын

@@mmanzanozr1 they love making excuses smh....

@mmanzanozr1

4 ай бұрын

@@Forever.Remain.Nameless they really do lol

No lift shift has been a stock feature in the mustang since like the 2018/2019 model … the s650 also has it…

Why is it that no one factors in the rear gear ratio? There’s only one offered in the Camaro where in the Mustang there’s 3. Did this one come optioned with the 3.73? That would make a huge difference in a drag race and acceleration in a roll until a certain speed in the 100+

Wow, this was an incredibly good battle! Both are awesome cars but on that last race the Camaro really hooked up! Thanks for providing good information on the cars and leaving it up on the screen for a while. It wouldn't hurt to list MSRP based on options, etc.

Low 12’s is pretty quick… my 87 LX 5.0 stick I bought new was a 14.7 car out of the box with 2.73 gears… installed 3.55’s and couldn’t hook up ever at the strip 14.5 was best… threw some slicks on and the car went 13.9… added off road exhaust homemade cai and equal length headers went 13.5 on slicks… finally replace w/aluminum heads and went 67mm throttle body and mass air conversion..rams 12.9’s w slicks…. Then my buddy totaled it :( miss that car!!!!!!

@ricksmith7659

2 ай бұрын

I had a buddy wreck my first 5.0 also. Sad day

@dw6409

28 күн бұрын

Buddy I grew up with purchased an 88 notchback with 180k miles. It went a 9.38 in the 1/8th w/auto and bone stock. He dropped a C4 w/reverse valve body and 4:10’s in went 8.34. Some twisted wedge heads, intake and a 17 lbs vortech later it went 6.80’s when she popped.

Ford proves that there is a replacement for displacement. I've also got one word for the (to be discontinued) Camaro interior: N.A.S.T.Y

Run this shit with the 10r80 back…

I love the fact you are racing these cars with manual transmissions, the way these muscle cars are supposed to be raced, on the street.

@SamCarLegion

4 ай бұрын

Great point!

@johnyvoth4916

4 ай бұрын

If the driver knows how to shift, then yes, but this guy is eating burgers between shifts!😂

@thetacticalape8852

4 ай бұрын

The only problem with that is some people are much more talented at driving a manual transmission than others. Ideally they should also switch cars and repeat and see if the results are the same.

@quintenhughes4725

2 ай бұрын

@@thetacticalape8852 Sam knows how to bang shift! Go watch the Cadillac CTS V vs Challinger Hellcat video. He just wasnt doing it in someone elses car or, he hasnt had much seat time in it?

Pretty impressive numbers. I was shocked by the 0-60 times from both cars.

@Pia-ho9dm

4 ай бұрын

American muscle 💪💪 I think dodge has given American cars a bad reputation.

@msterr

4 ай бұрын

@@Pia-ho9dm, I agree. Mainly because Dodge never changed the platform. In a way, they stuck to their roots...heavy cars with Big Engine with lots of HP on skinny tires..for the most part.

@benjaminmatute9085

3 ай бұрын

@msterr And dodge never keeps its word or is accurate. Demon, demon 170, and hellcat numbers are never accurate. They also hate rolling drags when they used rolling drags for the demon 170. Also, they claimed it was the most powerful V8 at the time (2018) when Koeninsegg had the regera. Also, the quarter mile time was beated by another hypercar. And they also promised to make the Dodge muscle cars chassis lighter and to overall make their body lighter but they never did.

@brianlazare7661

3 ай бұрын

It gets better times w the 10 speed auto

@jasonmdeese4989

Ай бұрын

I’ve been a 3.9 0-60 in my ’21 ss. But it’s an 10spd auto and they are faster than the 6-speed.

My guy in the mustang granny shifting 🤣

Please learn to shift properly that's the difference.

Imagine If they updated the camaro like they did mustang

@camonly849

4 ай бұрын

It would be 550hp for sure....to bad they didnt.

@goofy_xf6223

3 ай бұрын

Yup! ZL1 with the LT5 making 755hp and 715 lb/ft Torque would destroy the gt500 and hellcats Even a z28 with the LT6 engine would have been a game changer. Could’ve toned it down too. 570hp and 500ft/lb torque as an NA 5.5 v8 engine would rival the gt350 and probably be better. Chevy just kept the Camaro from its potential for the sake of the vette and its sad

@centraltexasfoxbodies

2 ай бұрын

Are they drag racing or getting groceries?

@dougdriskill4519

2 ай бұрын

they did...... aaaand this is what you get

@camonly849

2 ай бұрын

@@dougdriskill4519 GM never updated hp for the camaro with the LT1

8 year old car design putting the hurt on the new mustang. The Camaro is the best muscle ever made, and it handles extremely well.

@defyyourlogic487

4 ай бұрын

This. Extremely underrated platform.

@Youcantchangemyname

4 ай бұрын

A 6.2L engine outpowering a 5.0L engine. That's a real bragging point.

@defyyourlogic487

4 ай бұрын

@@Youcantchangemyname a 5.0 that’s gotten two revisions since that gen Camaro came out, while on an already extremely old platform… that makes less power… Don’t be a window licker.

@SUMM3RY

4 ай бұрын

Agree

@michaelwdagle7410

4 ай бұрын

Best muscle ever made? ..... LMMFAO..... stop smoking crack.

6500 RPM shift point for the panther and 7500 for the s650.. seems like you are short shifting, you're shifts are almost the same time as the panther.. 🤦🏽‍♂️

I just bought a 6th gen Mustang and until then I didn't realize how darned close in size and shape the Mustang and Camaro are to each other.

Fast 2-3 up shifts aren’t a thing for average drivers. In the 2nd run, the shift was much quicker though. Driver is king when it comes to MT cars. Just comparing the first two runs at that shift point shows you there 1-2 car length to lose or gain depending on how good of a shifter you are, and how much seat time you have in a car. It must be hard trying to speed shift any car if you’re only just driven it.

@JordonPatrickMears11211988

4 ай бұрын

It seemed from the end that the camaro driver owns the car. So he's likely very familiar with it. But that's why real men race manual. Just that much more skill required... although launch control and no lift shift do hel0, haha.

@04Mancini

4 ай бұрын

Yea the driver in the mustang is horrible. I’ve never lost to any Camaro. I’m surprised by the outcome here

@coreyegan6751

4 ай бұрын

Agreed, the mustang was being shifted verrry slowly

@DWH300

2 ай бұрын

The Getrag was changed from the one used in the previous S550. IMO, It would have been a better test if both cars used an automatics trans. My other question the gear ratio for both cars. Most base manual Mustang GTs come with gas saving 3.15 gears. Not the best performance ratio for an engine that produces power up to 7500 RPMs.

@arkhsm

24 күн бұрын

@@DWH300 The base GT S650 has 3.55s !!

Did you run that 5.0 to red line? I have a 2018 GT and know what it sounds like at 7,500 RPMs. I just did not hear that in this video.

@kassperplus

2 күн бұрын

Isn't reaching 7500RPM bad for the motor?

@thisisrediculis2

Күн бұрын

The 2018 5.0’s are designed for it. It’s their redline.

Does the mistang prevent you from no lift shifting, use to no lift shift my Conquest, and my v8s10. Not sure why you wouldnt be able to do the same in a new and im sure much better shifting vehicle

Camaro is a better looking car too as always!

Awesome. I was wondering if you could ever do some older cars as well Like 2003 s600 twin turbo vs 2003 e55 AMG? Or a terminator cobra 2003-2004 vs a new GT dark horse or any GT. 996tt vs Toyota supra mk4. Just throwing some ideas that I would like to see. I know I ain't shit just was wondering if those kind of drag races interests you for your channel and your fans. Great video. 😊

@miketym2642

4 ай бұрын

Good idea. The only thing is each car could vary depending on how well it was taking care of.

Great video Sam. I have a SS Camaro and a S550 Mustang Gt. They are both great cars, very similar with some differences. Ford has been manipulating horsepower and torque numbers since 2022, The Camaro has been 455 and 455 from 2016 til now. The torque does make a big difference, so does gear ratios, tires and clutches. Ford offers standard 3.55 gears and 3.73 gears which also is a factor. The Camaro running a 4 second 0 to 60 with a manual is rare, 4.2 is normal and 4.3 for the manual mustangs from 2015 to 2023, invariably. Camaros usually shift well invariably, the Mustangs are inconsistent. Some shift great and others terrible, there are several versions of the MT82s that also factor in.

@immanuelo.9548

4 ай бұрын

cheeky, i saw what you diddd

Torque is the difference. Camaro with 450 rwt vs 410 in mustang.

Watching these beautiful cars is definitely something to cherish. Especially knowing the future will bring nothing but front wheel drive shit boxes and gender neutral pronouns. 😢

That no lift shift is crazy in the Camaro.

@TIMOTHYKni

4 ай бұрын

Mustang has it as well, or at least i have it in my 21gtpp

@Datlac16

4 ай бұрын

My atsv has it and has the same chassis as the Camaro. Amazing transmission

@dham99

3 ай бұрын

My 2016 Focus ST has it, but I dont use it. Im pretty quick at shifting as it is, but NLS is abusive to the clutch. Cool feature for a rare drag race or something, but not a worthy feature if you regularly run your car as it'll quickly wear down the synchros/plate.

@Datlac16

3 ай бұрын

@@dham99where is the proof in tbis? Maybe that’s for ford it does that with because for the Cadillac/Chevy NLS, there’s no history of that happening

@Datlac16

3 ай бұрын

@@brianlazare7661 sorry I disappointed you dad

That Chevy sound is insane 💥

That is why no one likes to get the manual. Auto vs auto comparison on these is a completely different tale. The 10r80 is a monster

Both cars are amazing but I after watching some of these shows with guys comparing two brands I feel they should use the car to its potential, if the mustang has sport, drag, and track mode and the Camaro just have sport, sport plus then show us what they do in the different modes! And compare it to one another. Especially when your drag racing the cars, now on the road race side the gearing would obviously different in certain packages. If it has a drag option on the mustang then 9/10 it has a 3:73 gear which completely changes that car performance. But I guess it’s what you can get your hands on to compare them with either way love the show.

Love the evenly matched Cars slotted with manuals. Low mph rolls, the camaro shine. higher mph rolls mustangs top end starts to bully. Digs are a coin toss. Love to see it

@tri3pleagent

4 ай бұрын

That no-lift-shift is an underrated option. Closest thing to an automatic you can get.

Great vid, the stang really needs a lower ratio diff so can stay higher in the revs. I really like the late camaro, they've got a good package there

@Thirty-Ninety

4 ай бұрын

It would have a worse launch then, but I think I would also prefer longer gears on the Mustang

@slaterelliott3780

4 ай бұрын

@@Thirty-Ninety its got 3.15 in it

@Thirty-Ninety

4 ай бұрын

@slaterelliott3780 oh shit, never mind then!

@rastaph

4 ай бұрын

@@slaterelliott3780 The GT needs the performance pack option with 3.73s.

@arkhsm

24 күн бұрын

@@slaterelliott3780 Ford Configurator says 3.55s !!

He has a better motor also.. More torque but in general a better motor.

Shame Ford can use a 5.0 and get almost the same result as the 6.2.😂

I agree the Camaro for racing is great handling car, and another channel confirms though they confirmed the Dark Horse is the only way to go on the S650...otherwise stay with the Mach1 Handling Pack. Because it's better than ALL and you can Super Charge it and it's better than the Ford GT500 and way better than the Shelby Super Snake 🏎🏎🏁🏁🚩🚩👨🏻👍🏻

@anthonyjones8426

4 ай бұрын

No sir

Why did the Camaro start braking befoe the finish line in the 2nd roll race?

My 2021 SS 1LE was unfortunately stolen a few months ago I miss that car everyday best car I’ve owned.

If you want to be fast, get an AUTOMATIC transaction.

Put the Camaro driver inside the Mustang,he would win 😂

@JeffSpehar-ov1cn

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely. This guy can't shift.

@someferarriguy7910

4 ай бұрын

100%

@Awkwamanwitdastang

4 ай бұрын

I said that on his last post racing against the older mustang

Should have switched drivers and see if results were same or if one driver was better that way u could see which car is actually faster not who drives better

Shame the Mustang didn't have the Performance Pack 1, like the Camaro. Could have made a difference cause of the Magna ride which shifts weight to the rear when you launch it from a standstill. So this is NOT really apples to apples here. The SS 1LE is really a great car though. Hate to see it go in favor a some electric POS!!!

@sbf_fox2434

2 ай бұрын

A Plaid is in another league all together. No tire spin and 2.5 seconds faster in the quarter mile.

First question: Why are you racing a new 2024 Ford against a 2022 Chevrolet? What does that prove?

Man I’m still not a fan of this new body style. It’s like it’s not finished or something. I’ve seen a few here around town and they still haven’t grown on me like s550 did when it came out. Even the base dark horse didn’t look like I thought it would in person. Only seen one handling pack in person and it’s a stunner for sure but the price is just crazy. In conclusion to my essay… I’d take a 6th gen SS 1LE over any s650 not named the dark horse with handling package.

@ChrisMenendez609

4 ай бұрын

That’s because the s550 is vastly different from the s197 (previous before s550). Whereas the s650 although it’s a new generation, it’s basically just a s550 refreshed.

@07wrxtr1

4 ай бұрын

Agreed - the back looks like they tacked on a "dude bro muh rear diffuser due bro" ebay "mod bro" - just looks off....

@Gnarshredder

2 ай бұрын

Totally agree. As a long time “Ford Guy” I’m just not liking it. Everything about the “new” mustang looks Half-assed. Don’t get me started on those stupid assed black strips under the head lights on the DH. The very definition of tacky. Like the cheap slap-on baubles one gets from pep boys to make a Tercel look sporty. Gawd damnit ford get your shit together. Oh, and another thing. Stop selling mustangs with crap trannys and numb steering. The 70’s are calling and they want their crappy parts back!

You need to swap cars and repeat the tests to even out the driver factor.

We all know if you would have went both auto trans there would have been no contest.

Awesome stuff brother, I just love in the way you make everything realistic. Keep on racing

Proves I think that, like the S550, the Coyote still has the slightly better top end. In this case it was let down by the transmission, as mentioned.

@anthonybartholomew2173

4 ай бұрын

I think its more of a drivers thing sam is not the best at manual transmission 😂

@alpe6228

4 ай бұрын

The ss is just faster.

@goblinzl1

4 ай бұрын

other tests have proven coyote doesnt have better top end pull. theyre even or too close to call.

@guershonsafari9876

4 ай бұрын

I got at 10 speed 2019, premium, performance pack 1, and I’m telling you, I have never lost against a stock ss, either dig or roll.

@10r80vega

4 ай бұрын

@@alpe6228maybe then the new trash s650 with the mt82 but 10 speed s550 still has the fastest stock 1/4

5 litre versus 6.2 is very impressive!

@donaldkinder6716

4 ай бұрын

Lol yeah and the mustang has 4 cams and 32 valves

@FastTimes75

3 ай бұрын

You obviously don’t understand how engines work. 4 cams, 32 valves.

Awesome video man this is the one I've been waiting for. And you didn't disappoint.

I have a 10sp '20 base gt with pp1, If you want smoky burnouts in your Mustang then get the manual, if you want to win races get the automatic.👍

The 5.0 in the Mustang is a good engine, not doubt. But there's no replacement for displacement. That 6.2 in the Camaro just has torque all day long.

I thought even the base GT had no lift shift and launch control?

@evanhill9442

4 ай бұрын

It does.

@Awkwamanwitdastang

4 ай бұрын

It does

@Lifeof728

4 ай бұрын

Ok Sam trippin then.

@anthonybartholomew2173

4 ай бұрын

He is bad at driving manuals thats all.

The mustang sounds amazing. That camaro though is so quick from the line, when it is not liquifying rubber.

The S197 boss 302 was able to get 4.0 second flat from 0-60 with 440hp two body styles later 46 more hp the S650 GT is slower?

I'm amazed how close they are in weight.

@shannonandsheila1403

4 ай бұрын

Yeah told you people! oh the mustangs to heavy lol

@MiguelRodriguez-jf3hb

4 ай бұрын

​@shannonandsheila1403 you also gotta factor in the weight of the 1LE package. All those parts that make it go around a track very easy weigh more vs the lighter GT without a track pack. If you throw in a GT Dark horse with the track pack it would be at least 100 lbs heavier. In the quarter mile a 100lbs can easily translate to a 10th of a second and even more in a race going around in laps. I'm a Camaro AND Mustang lover but had they thrown the lighter SS or the heavier Dark horse the results could have been even worse for the Mustang.

@shannonandsheila1403

4 ай бұрын

@MiguelRodriguez-jf3hb I have the base model 24 GT, but i have had trans ams buicks, even a bunch of dodges, but even more fords my problem is I like anything with a engine the faster the better though lol.

@MiguelRodriguez-jf3hb

4 ай бұрын

@shannonandsheila1403 I can get behind that lol 👍

Back in the 90s to get this kind of power one would need a fully built engine.

Take away the manuals for both and put in the 10r80 for the stang, and I bet the stang walks the Camaro every time. Or swap out the MT82 for the t56, or the TR3160, and I bet things would go a lot smoother for the stang. I’m not disputing it lost, I’m just disputing that it wasn’t given the proper equipment for the job

ZL one is a beast

Can't wait for my optioned out 24 Mustang GT premium performance night pony package. It been pulled back for quality hold on December 12th still waiting for it to be released. Suspect something major happened given the time that they are holding it.

@chipwright9356

4 ай бұрын

You’re gonna love it. Mine took 3.5 months from order. I love it. Don’t buy into the haters. It’s a blast to drive.

@Division_Agent_

4 ай бұрын

@@chipwright9356 I'm definitely excited to take delivery of my 24 Mustang GT Premium that I customized by hand. It's just the long quality hold & no notes, have me concerned. BUT!!!! Called customer service this morning. My ETA of dealership delivery. 1/2 - 1/8 with a 2-hour drive to Willowick, Ohio dealership (marked as behind schedule so it's prioritized) 🥳🐎🇺🇲

@Platos-Den

3 ай бұрын

Seriously hate that generic video dash though

Let’s put this to rest The Camaro is faster, looks and sounds better. It’s sad they have discontinued it.

@10r80vega

4 ай бұрын

Faster then the new s650 sure the 10 speed 5.0 s550 pp1 still hold the fastest 1/4 stock for stock

@jmmch3358

4 ай бұрын

I agree with you, but the Mustang 5.0 sounds better

All the haters out there in the STANG gotta give it credit. 5.0 vs 6.2 is like Davis vs Goliath. That 5.0 is a bad motor scooter

So I talked to ford dealer 72 months 4.5 apr ?? Good deal and no added markup so I’ll end up with a grand total of 54k . Good deal or wait

@SamCarLegion

Ай бұрын

Very good

I’ve had multiple iterations of both cars. The Camaro is just better. More torque, better shifter, way better platform, handles way better. Until you get into the Shelby realm, the Mustang just can’t keep up with the Camaro handling, even in non 1LE form. I do like the looks of the Mustang a little better tho, not including the new S650. It’s weird.

@slaterelliott3780

4 ай бұрын

lol better platform ur living in a fairytale the best coyote is king daddy over any ls how many time does this have to be proven to u delusional junkyard boys have fun building your bottom end to come near a coyote with boost an fuel an fords 6r80 eats any trans chevy made get educated

Its the handling on street and track where you understand the Alpha chassis from GM is superior to Fords. That is the problem with Ford vs Camaro because the 6th generation Camaro actually rides on a well thought out neutral chassis that makes it a true sports car. The Mustang is far from sports car status in the modern era. 2024 Mustangs ride on the same chassis and that is a shame.

@justme307

4 ай бұрын

IMO what killed the Camaro is the antiquated OHV motor. The entire world, including Chevy except in their V8 line (not including the Z06,) moved to OHC decades ago.

@sugerhitman1295

4 ай бұрын

​@@inyoface1641Look at the recorded times at various tracks....shorter tracks with turns the Camaro wins, longer tracks, Mustang 350r due to having more horsepower...if the horsepower was equal the Camaro 1LE would dominate.

@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921

4 ай бұрын

@@justme307 The small block is advanced and compact, but has antiquated roots.

@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921

4 ай бұрын

@@inyoface1641 Those cars are tuned to do so but the Alpha chassis is superior to anything from Fords Mustang lineup. A simple set of springs on the Camaro puts all variants in a different class in regards to handling because of the chassis.

@Lifeof728

4 ай бұрын

@@justme307nah. Its not the engines fault the car is ugly and you cant see out of it.

If they improved the visibility in the camaro it would outsell all the others.

Just to need to be quicker with your shifts and clutch. The mustang keeps dragging everytime you shift. As mustang owners, I think we all can agree.

Kuddos to Chevy for making a product that can keep up with or exceed Ford's newest generation. Of course, this doesn't include the Dark Horse, which would have been a different race -- but then again, the Dark Horse is supposed to be a slight level above the typical Mustang GT/Camaro SS category. Now, on the track, I'd say the SS 1LE will give the Dark Horse a run for its money.

It still shows that a 7 year design of the 6th gen Camaro its a better performance choice than the Mustang

@irondino247

4 ай бұрын

I’d say they both have their pros and cons. Camaro is a better track car, especially with a manual. But once you get the 10 speed autos in the picture the Mustang takes it all day and it’s more practical imo for daily driving.

@anthonyjones8426

4 ай бұрын

🤣

@jaybengston1164

4 ай бұрын

Well the chassis of that Mustang is 9 years old. 😊 Transmission was the difference here. I suspect auto vs. auto trans would go the Mustang's way.

You need 3.73 gears in the Mustang because it likes to rev, which you can get with the performance pack which would also get you better tires too. The Mustangs on a base car is way under tire which makes a huge difference and so under gear it needs, the performance pack which would Make the Mustang much quicker. The Camaro 1le has better tires and is not a fair comparison to a base Mustang which has way smaller tires. A better match up would be a Performance Pack Mustang. The real comparison should be a base Dark Horse which is the Mustang equivalent to Camaro 1le.

Without the Mustang there is no Camaro !!!!

DO NOT BUY A MUSTANG TO RACE IF IT IS NOT A 10 SPEED! 😂 THIS HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR YEARS THE 5.0 IS A SMALL MOTOR. ITS POWER IS UP HIGH AND IT ONLY WORKS WITH THE 10R80 OTHERWISE YOU ARE OUT OF THE POWERBAND.

@jonasbaine3538

4 ай бұрын

True but apparently the paddle shifting on mustang automatic is not fast responsive or fun apparently compared to having manual mustang or other cars with DCT. Even bmw automatics are more fun to shift.

@tcurtez

4 ай бұрын

​@jonasbaine3538 it's a automatic! Lol it's made to down shift and smash the gas and let the automatic do the work 😂 talking about being fun is a McLaren fun or a Lamborghini fun 😂 people who drive them are downshifting and smashing the gas lol welcome to 2024 😂​@jonasbaine3538

@justme307

4 ай бұрын

OH REALLY?

@evanhill9442

4 ай бұрын

As a person with a 6 speed manual S650 you are wrong💀 yes, 10 speeds are a little quicker but the 6 speeds not horrifically slower, they still win races, and are still more fun to drive. Sam just can’t drive manual that’s all.

@jonasbaine3538

4 ай бұрын

@@tcurtez wrong. the mustang automatics are known for having problems paddle upshifting sometimes and lagging behind. Tons of people like paddle shifters and expect a 450hp car to be fun to drive in all aspects. This isn’t a grocery car Honda mazda whatever that just happens to have paddle shifters. It’s a mustang !

This is a stock GT, but the Camaro exhaust sounds modded. Add the same mods to the Mustang and learn the no lift shift in the GT and you might just edge the Camaro out by quite a bit. Good job!

@SamCarLegion

4 ай бұрын

2SS 1le

@mrhrobinson

4 ай бұрын

Exhaust sounded stock to me

@J-ThomasRST

4 ай бұрын

I mean, the Mustang still wack with that mt82.

@richcamara218

4 ай бұрын

The Camaro's exhaust is stock. All SS 1le cars come with the NPP Dual Mode exhaust. The 1le is a road course monster. It is not designed to drag race. All the magnetic ride control suspension and engine management really hurt its drag abilities though it's still quick. A normal SS with the available NPP exhaust option would be better suited for drag racing.

@salninethousand2496

4 ай бұрын

6th gen Camaro 6.2 has always been quicker than the S550 (and now S650) Mustang V8 5.0. Smaller and lighter vehicle with a better power curve. The S650 GT is now a 4,000 lb car!

Camaro last updated: 2016 Mustang last updated: 2024

Mustang may have done better with the Performance Pack's 3.73 gears and 275 wide rear tyres !!

Yeah I knew that would happen,the SS has too much torque for the GT.

@10r80vega

4 ай бұрын

Please lol the s550 2018+ 10 speed usto spank the 10 speed Camaro ss the new s650 is just a embarrassment

@RSProduction18

4 ай бұрын

@@10r80vega S650 makes 440HP, ford is lying about it being 485-500.

@PacificNorthwestR

4 ай бұрын

@@10r80vegain the real world no lol. A10 5.0s do lose to well setup a10s SS

@10r80vega

4 ай бұрын

@@PacificNorthwestR what do you mean in the real world lol I’ve owned both cars a 2019 10 speed Camaro ss 1LE and a 2022 5.0 pp1 my 5.0 ran faster 1/4 and 60-130 times stock and with bolt one e85 tune and weight out

Camaro is neat, but Mustang is just so much better IMO, especially the 5.0.

The Camaros are stupid fast . I’ve been a Camaro guy, my whole life. The Camaro structure is also stronger than Ford. I also did have a collision work, 45 years . GM and GMC are a lot stronger than Ford and Chrysler . 👏👏🇺🇸

No lift shift? Every manual trans car I've had has had that. I call it "I don't lift". Learned in my '78 celica in about 1988. No lift from 1st through 5th. Works pretty well in most of my RWD cars..more specifically those without any external shift linkages, which are usually a little flexible. Doing this on FWD cars with cable shifters is sketchy. Not sure about that camaro & mustang, but they may have some short external push/pull rods and rubber bushings that will hinder doing this. During the very brief period of clutch disengagement, the free (or "over") revving engine is storing kinetic energy in the spinning crank and flywheel, which is returned to the car upon clutch re-engagement. Yes, it is abusive, and yes, it works. Especially in a slow car. With either of these, especially on the 1-2 upshift, the result might be wheelspin, and a reduction in acceleration. Yup, it's hard on clutches. And 2nd gear synchronizers. And u-joints. My ls2/t56 powered volvo broke its driveshaft from this. New 1350-jointed driveshaft is under construction. Old, slow rwd toyotas withstood a lot of it, but that's an easy trick with low HP. Point of this comment is just that you don't need an electronic band-aid to flat shift a manual trans. Launch control? That should be in the muscle memory of your clutch and throttle control. Anything else is veering off towards video-game land. Same for wheelie control on new sport bikes.