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@Nickle314

11 ай бұрын

Another suggestion. No Hire and Reward on L Plates. You have to get a full license first.

@GaijinGamerGirl

9 ай бұрын

FYI "spicy" 7 hours of training is less than the cost of doing the lowest possible course 2-3 days with a training school since you can do 7 hours in 1 day. Schools hire bikes out per day which means you are spending half the money or less through the proposed upgrade scheme.

They should really ban L Plate Learners from working on deliveries. The way they ride and not care etc is actually really dangerous

@mdeerocks6792

11 ай бұрын

It also devalues L plates for real learners. The other drivers basically ignore L plates on a bike.

@BlokeOnAMotorbike

11 ай бұрын

what also pisses me off about that is you can't get carrier insurance on an L plate (it's NOT ALLOWED), so the takeaway from that is NOT ONE of these L-plated delivery riders has valid insurance!

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that's not correct as that would be 1000s of legal riders. Also lexham offer delivery rider insurance for this exact thing.

@MrLittledirector

11 ай бұрын

​@@BlokeOnAMotorbikeyeah this is not true. I had hire and reward insurance when I had a CBT

@get_to_the_lunchbox

11 ай бұрын

As someone who just took my CBT in London, I consider myself learning and would hope everyone treats me the same. Unfortunately delivery riders are seen as a menace and so anyone with an L plate is seen the same way. It completely devalues the L plate. Instead of drivers giving you patience and room the beep their horn and drive with no care around you. I don't know how you deal with this problem

I don't think you should be forced to get a bigger bike if your happy being on a 125cc. I've been riding 6 years and been far on a cbt so does this make me not as good as someone with a full license. I think if you pass your cbt more than twice you shouldn't have to do it again because its not going to make any difference doing it 1 or 10 times.

@michaelaris58

11 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you. It’s all a money making scam, I’d gladly stay on my 125 especially for the cheapness of it.. chuck a theory test every 2 years into the mix and I’ll be selling the bike, I’m now on my 4th year on L plates and people say I ride like I have a full A license.

@iandaniels8386

11 ай бұрын

once you pass as long as you dont get points why cant it last ? yes make re tests for people who get pulled over get points sort the good from the bad helps safety common sence for everyone

@ridingwithiceman4683

11 ай бұрын

I don't see them doing this to people who drive cars. A car is a car, you can jump in to any car no matter the power difference.

@asimpleman2779

6 ай бұрын

​@michaelaris58 it's not really about riders like you though. People including myself want to see the delivery riders stopped because they are dangerous and causing huge problems in central and greater London.

@colinstevens6837

6 ай бұрын

@@asimpleman2779 they are a problem everywhere

Currently in the position of owning an A2 and need to do the full A license but could also do with a refresher from a training school. A progressive method would be so much easier and remove pressure from test centers and save my pocket a little too. Hopefully it does go through!

*I Just wish* the CBT was do once for life. Having to retake it every 2 years with extortionate prices is silly

@ComputerTutorialsFre

11 ай бұрын

It’s because its intention is to give you the basic training needed to develop your skills on your own then go through to an a1/2 or a license in the long run it makes more sense to get your full a license if your lucky to be over 24 and use DAS

more changes always mean more money. also having to retake a CBT every 2 years at 63 years of age with a life time of road experience is ridiculous

@iandaniels8386

11 ай бұрын

make the cbt last as long as you ride but if you get 6 points make them resit the cbt. that way you can sort the good and bad riders out and not make the good riders pay for the idiots on the road ?

@EmrystheCelt

11 ай бұрын

@@iandaniels8386 not a bad idea

Imagine thinking that doing a theory test will end bad riding by delivery drivers 🤷 this is all about keeping as many people off the roads as possible nothing more.

@jamesevans4534

11 ай бұрын

Possibly, but on the flip side, I'm pretty sure most of the delivery riders actually don't understand road signs, traffic lights or what side of the road to be on.... so it might make a difference

This, this needs to happen. The A2 should have always been a no re test upgrade.

At the end of a CBT and all being well they will give you a pass thus declaring that it is in their opinion that you are safe to ride a 125cc on the road, so why after 2 years of riding experience should you have to do another CBT if you only want to ride a 125cc ?

Doing the 2 tests at my local school would cost £250 with bike hire. 7 hours lessons would cost £227. 7 hours of lessons is going to be much more valuable and produce safer riders than going for the 2 tests you've already done.

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

Yes I really do think 7hrs added training would do a lot more for the riders than just passing the test you passed before.

@matt_ken

11 ай бұрын

@@spicy110 hoping they can get it sorted by June next year as that's when I can upgrade to a full license. But there's no way that's happening 😭

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

Yer they started talking about some of these changes 5 odd years ago. Even if they say yes make the changes I would be surprised if it happened in 2024.

@steve00alt70

11 ай бұрын

And what will happen if they just do burnouts on the roads? All that money for safety will be for nothing

@carlarthur4442

11 ай бұрын

I think more on road training is more beneficial once you've mastered the bike , then you can concentrate on the road and learn the technique of defensive riding 😉, good luck 👍

I live in hope that one day someone will stand up and say "enough with the safety, we aren't all little girls". I'm not holding my breath.

I used to train people doing their C B T it took all day and after the preliminaries of telling people about the safety aspects of proper clothing , helmets safety and other safety information, we went on to the bike explaining the bikes controls etc , once the pupil understood and re capped back his understanding, it was then onto the bike and each step was explained & practised through a set of controlled maneuvers before they were allowed on the road , then it was a set series covering road positioning at junctions , roundabouts , general road craft and it was a minimum of 2 hours , it used to be 3 hours , but the pupil didn't get a C B T certificate unless they satisfied the requirements, our instructors were also monitored by D S A Examiners that stayed with the instructor of their choice throughout the whole session for the day just to make sure the the instructor delivered the training to a satisfactory standard , and you would be notified in writing by the official route from the D S A , so it was quite high standards required from the instructor to the pupil , and that is what it should be , I do think though after people have done a C B T I don't think a mod 1 needs to be done in the manner they are delivered, I think more emphasis should be spent on road training in real life situations, also the theory test has become too complicated in its delivery , D S A literature does say that you should not complicate things and get too the point with anyone learning , it's keep things simple , yet it's become over complicated in a lot of areas which in turn can sap a pupils confidence with overload information, therefore I think a lot of areas can be cut back and reviewed into a more practical way.

Very interesting. I've a teenager who's transitioned from a manual 50 to 125. Their CBT was very much nearly a full working day. But doing the theory would be very helpful too. We practiced low speed skills at home, clutch control manouvering etc. The extra hours with a tutor would be brilliant, if done well and indoctrination of advanced techniques and methods is applied. I would very much suggest everyone seeks out further training and keep an open mind to continued personal training. Wether it be watching Advanced rideing videos, reading the Roadcraft books, the Highway code to refresh, as it only changed last year, and just practice in a car park etc. Getting Advanced training after you've passed needn't cost a fortune, ROSPA for instance, IAM, or your trusted good training centre may do enhanced DVSA courses too. Ride safe, have fun.

I have been on the road for 54 years totally accident free. I got my first bike aged 16 and rode continuously for a number of year's but never bothered with the full test. Over the years whilst in the Armed Forces I got my full car licence plus HGV, PSV, Tracked vehicle and such. Now in my retirement years I have given up the four wheel mode of transport and gone back to a bike. I totally resent the fact that I have to prove by a CBT that I am competent and fit to be on the road. I currently ride a 125 manual and have no desire whatsoever to take a full test in order to ride a bigger machine. Once you have done your CBT that should be it.

I’ve been on an A2 for a few years. Ridden 500’s during that time, never had an issue. It’s ridiculous that at the moment I would have to resit two tests that I have already done just to get a Full A license. I think the restriction should automatically be removed once you reach 24 years old. But i’d much rather just do a few hours training and be signed off than resit two tests.

@djeq721

11 ай бұрын

Same. Used to be a 33bhp restriction which lifted after 2 years automatically.

@jordan18216

11 ай бұрын

@@djeq721 now it’s a 47 bhp restriction, but it doesn’t lift. You have to redo both tests.

@djeq721

11 ай бұрын

@@jordan18216 I know, which is why I welcome the 7hrs training. I begrudge redoing both tests on a bike with an extra 100cc, pointless.

@briansmith7443

8 ай бұрын

I think the problem with automatic upgrading of licenses without some kind of assessment is that in theory you could have someone sit an A2 test, and then not ride for 2 years but be allowed to ride anything they want. Now that is no different from someone doing full A and then never riding for a long time, but at least they have been assessed on a higher powered machine...

I think they should also change the direct access route to drive anything about 250cc. I think the learner should have a 2 year probationary period. where the learner must start on a 250cc for 2 years then a 500cc for another 2 years then finally be awarded an A licence. It will stop the learner from passing their test then jumping on a superbike ending in a possible injury or death. Direct access is the problem not cbt.

In my opinion, the CBT should be a one-time only course. So, just like the theory and hazard perception tests, once passed that's it. No need to retake it. If a biker rides their bike every day, then redoing a cbt every 3 years is a total waste of time for both biker and training company.

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

That is called taking an A1 anyone can do it.

Thank you for this, always get my uk motorcycle news from you as its informative and interesting to listen to and I normally agree with what you're saying

definitely agree with these changes, my local training school is brilliant, they did 5 hours in the training yard with a break inbetween for lunch, followed by a short maintenance and safety training session showing how to look after your bike/scooter and what not to do, then 3 hours road riding, split into two 1.5 hour blocks so we could have a short rest for water/snacks, discussion on road safety then riding again. before all of that took place though they had us go in a week or so before the CBT and did a 1-2 hour lesson on basic theory/road signs/rules of the road etc and gave us basically the equivelent of a mock theory test without the hazard perception and if they felt we were truly clueless they'd have you do some lessons before doing the CBT. that might seem extreme to some but I think it was brilliant and well worth the money paid (£200), especially when you consider there is 16/17 year olds going for a CBT, no road experience, no basic rules of the road knowledge and being given a 2-year license after a few hours it's quite frankly a bit dangerous, I've seen so many going about that clearly used a different training school and are complete idiots on the road, running red lights, revving engines, cutting lanes etc.

Having to pass your test twice has always been ridiculous. Riding a 1200 is no harder than riding a 600. Just a couple of hours 'lessons' on a bigger bike to make sure you're comfortable with it is more than enough. I passed 10 years ago at 39, so no biases here.

I love the idea of 7 hours training on an A2 to get your full A. It is silly a 19 year old that has been riding since they were 16 can only get somthing with 47hp, but a 24 year old with no experience can get what ever they want. 200hp Ducati? Go for it!

@dreamcrusher112

11 ай бұрын

Won't get insured on anything above 150hp at 24, ask me how I know!

@Stanley88845

11 ай бұрын

@@dreamcrusher112 if I remember in 2 years, I’ll come back to you with my insurance quotes on 150hp+ bikes lol. I’ve literally just done my A2, so in 2 years when I’m 21 I’ll be doing my full A license. I currently have a 790 Duke restricted which is £2000 a year to insure, so it will also be interesting to see how much that is when I can derestrict it. I’ll also be definitely looking at buying bikes like the 1290 Super Duke, Speed Triple 1200 RS and Tuono V4 Factory, will be interesting to see what insurance is like for them as a 21 year old with 3 years ncd.

I think with the progressive training, while it is more expensive, it means you don't have to wait for test availability which is still in a backlog from lockdown. I'm more than happy to pay that bit extra if it means i can get my license upgraded next week rather than in 3 months time

@drumilly7

9 ай бұрын

And any extra training would be a bonus. It would be more expensive but spread over a longer time so cost might be more manageable.

Sorry for the long comment but the only thing I find annoying in Northern Ireland is the way the mod 1 and mod 2 booking process is, our mod 1 is slightly different (walking uturn instead of moving into a bay and tighter figures of 8)but you can’t book mod 1 and 2 at the same time so effectively costs more money I had to pay for my mod 1 and £90 for the bike hire and pre test lesson for the day pass that and then book my mod 2 two weeks later which I have this Thursday but then I have to pay a further £90 for the bike hire so £180 for both tests wereas in England you can book both and pay for bike hire once for the whole test. Thankfully I’m nearly there with getting my bike license but it’s cost more than my car license Cbt £200 , theory £23, 3 lessons for mod 1 £105 3 lessons for mod 2 £105, and bike hire twice and two pre test lessons for each module £180, mod 1 and 2 test fee £89 quid combined so if I pass my mod 2 first time it will have cost £702 I only paid a total of £200 approx for my car license and I think that’s why most L platers won’t take their full bike licenses I was shocked at the cost in NI I feel that they need to reform the booking system so we can book both modules on the same day, yes it’s only saving bike hire by approx £90 but still a good chunk to save Thankfully I waited until I was 26 so I can do direct access but anyone younger it would cost almost double that to progress

agree totally. the school i did my CBT and later direct access (Brighouse motorcycle training) was very good. 4 of us took CBT only 2 of us passed. other 2 was told they needed more practice and training before they would even let them attempt to do the road part of CBT. instructors were great. that's why I went through direct access with them. as well as CBT A2 and full A etc its about time car licence had a similar format.

Huge fan of the CBT changes, did mine at 16 2 years ago on a 50cc moped and the school did a legitimately good job of teaching it, but when I turned 17 1 week later I bought a 125cc motorbike, taught myself on my drive, then started riding as my first vehicle, which is nuts to be allowed to do. My main concern with the A2 changes is it already costs sooo much. My local school charges £800 for the 2 day direct access course, not including test fees or doing the cbt, meaning all in it'll cost me about £1100, which considering I did about 20 hours of training for my car license at under £600 feels brutal by comparison, and it costing anymore and the test will cost almost haldf as much as buying something like a ninja 400 secondhand

@Manorian

11 ай бұрын

@@MrAn0n don't know if you're being sarcastic with that, but if you are I mean I'm literally retaking my CBT next week, and would be happy for it to be harder. Like if it all costs the same, I see no reason why people shouldn't be forced to be trained to ride safely. Whatever you do after that is up to you, but imo there shouldn't be a legal way to buy a geared bike, and ride at 70 on a road, without someone having provably shown you how it works to a degree that you're safe Like if you're calling me a boomer I'm 18 right now???

@robmule4647

11 ай бұрын

@@Manorian a bed wetter and Karen then not a boomer

@davidstancomb5380

11 ай бұрын

Did my test back when Pontius was still a Pilate. Back in 2017 I needed to retake my test (Reason below) . A 5 day DAS course in 2017 including Mod1 and Mod2 tests was £600, so your local school is fleecing young bikers if they are charging £800 for a 2 day DAS. Find a school run by someone other than Dick Turpin. (He was into highway robbery too!) Reason for having to retake test; when I changed my license over from the old pink and green paper to the photocard one they left off my bike entitlement. I queried it and they refused to admit they make mistakes - so I sent them the photo I took of the old one that was sent to them with the application (you know, the one they couldn't find to check) - only to be told the photo wasn't valid confirmation because it hadn't been certified as a true copy by a solicitor. The upshot of that was I had to take my theory test, mod 1, mod 2. So I booked myself onto a DAS course because I took it as an opportunity to shake out all the bad habits and relearn stuff I'd forgotten over the years. I made some wonderful friends doing that, and a snottogram from my MP got the DVLA to refund me the cost of the DAS course (but not the cost of the theory test).

@quetzalcoa

11 ай бұрын

Maybe schools will offer a different plan with a proposed "a2 to a" change, because in reality, it would just be you and your instructor going for a couple of rides, because at that point you have 2 years of experience and should know what you're doing

@benclimo461

10 ай бұрын

£800 is a crazy price!

I agree that moving from an A2 bike to an A bike you shouldnt need to do the same test twice but just to do a cbt on a A licence bike instead. But I dont agree with a theory test before cbt. That will discourage people even more. The goverment are suppose to encourage new riders instead of putting them off, its already a hassle anyway. Remember riders will act like hooligans anyway even on a 650cc. No amount of tests will change people acting dumb.

Fully agree with the CBT changes, especially the manual/auto distinction. I failed my CBT the first time, even dropped the bike and rode into a hedge at one point, and the school just made me retake it a few days later to get some more practice in, if they’d shoved me on an auto to get it over and done with I can safely say I would’ve killed myself very quickly as I was nowhere near ready for the road. Scary to think that some schools only care about turnover and not the safety of everyone else on the road…

As a CBT instructor I have a few things to clarify here...... 110% do a theory to even do a CBT .... The levels of arrogance to try for a licence and not even bother with learning the rules of the road is frankly dangerous! .... Road ride is a minimum of two hours.... I do however believe it should be shorter for renewals as 2 hours is usually first time riders having to explain the gears they should be in untill they get it right. ..... As instructors..... It's very well governed I think you're missing some knowledge there. We can be downtrained but then we have dvsa asses us.... It's stressful.... Then we apply for c1 ... It's not just downtrained and away you go nobody checks on you it's much much harder than that. .... A full days CBT 8 hours.... Really depends on students, if I have renewals I'm not going to go over where all the controls are in depth or how to use them I just need to show them where they are on the bike they're riding and that again can shorten the day... Like a renewal already smooth with clutch and gears will easily wipe an hour of the day as I don't need to explain it in detail like a first time rider. ...... Swapping manual to auto to pass believe it or not is a good idea..... We offer "conversion courses" .... Usually much cheaper than a CBT rebooking so if they don't get safe and satisfactory on the day then it's more expensive to rebook and try again... It also kills the pressure to the student as they already have a CBT. ...... On the CBT there's a lot to go through in one day and if you can't pick it up quickly enough we have to cut you and ask for you to come back another day as every element builds upon the last one so passing auto and doing a conversion is by far the best option available.... Reviews..... Every negative review is because they lacked highway code or turned up with the wrong gear despite phone calls, emails and texts. .... A2 conversion should only ever really be a mod 2 booking with an examiner assessing.... However.... Dvsa are currently constantly striking and this A2 conversion idea would only then limit availability of mod 2 bookings for das or A2. .... Believe it or not CBT for an instructor is far more involved than das.... Das they already know how to ride so it's a case of tweaking, CBT.... Bare bones often no experience never having touched a bike before sort of experience. I love the job... But it's definitely one of the hardest jobs I've had lol... It's far from silver bunnies and rainbows! 😱😱🤣

I still think that they should allowed 250cc to be on a CBT cause most l plate riders like to travel the country

I’ve done several CBT’s over the years. I’ve no interest in riding a big bike I just like a 125 scoot to get me round the town. I’ve had a full clean driving licence for over 30 years so why I have to re-sit a CBT every two years is beyond me, it’s a money making scam, am I now going to have to do a theory test every two years as well ? I can hear the tills ringing. I must have been lucky with motorcycle schools as I’ve never had one try to skip bits of the CBT, they have always been thorough and professional. Most Deliveroo drivers have no regard for the highway code whatever they are riding (motorcycle, scooter or bicycle)I don’t think this is as much down to training, rather the pressures of the job and willingness to cut corners.

As an instructor, I agree with theory test and auto license and separate gear cbt. I also make sure that a minimum of 2 hours out on road and I go through full kit talk, introduction to bike and all exercises for car park, plus highway code. Normally I finish around 5 or 6pm, starting at 9am. Anyone looking to do cbt I recommend reading the highway code before doing a cbt. A lot of students don't and can result in you having to come back if your not safe. I recommend putting the work in before hand to have an understanding of roundabouts, junctions, signs ect. So many times I ask if people have read the highway code and many so "no", or worse "what is the highway code"? Its really scary that people think they can turn up and expect to go out on the road with other road users without having read the highway code.

@CS-js5my

11 ай бұрын

You mean like 99% of cyclists.

@bikingwithgrantygrant779

11 ай бұрын

@CS-js5my absolutely cyclist need to have some accountability as well

@benclimo461

10 ай бұрын

​@@CS-js5mythe vast majority of cyclists have a car they know the highway code they just don't care.

@briansmith7443

8 ай бұрын

Do you think some people turn up being ignorant or complacent about the highway code because they are allowed to? And what I mean is that because there is no compulsory theory element/test before hand, they can just rock up, sit the CBT, be deemed "competent" and then allowed out on the roads unsupervised for the next 2 years! I think that is crazy. Regardless of any other changes I think the theory test should be passed before taking the CBT as of now!

@bikingwithgrantygrant779

8 ай бұрын

@briansmith7443 Sometimes, it can happen that way, but with me, I will not nursemade a student all the way through on the road ride. After an hour and a half, I expect students to be able to ride and pay attention to signs and obey the rules of the road. If they can't i will not sign them off. Unfortunately some people think that ignorance to the rules doesn't matter, which is frustrating. My boss does say to read up on roundabouts and junctions in the highway code and look at signs, before coming to the session.

I did my CBT when I was 2 months away from being 17 and I had a moped at the time then just after my 17th birthday my mopeds engine seized up and luckily I had been saving for a 125 and so I bought one, it only took 1 day to learn the gears and after a week I was completely fluent with them I hope the changes don’t mean that I have to redo the CBT to get a geared bike license

Wow so many hoops to jump through theys days, glad I passed back in the 80's when there was just two parts, part 1 on the carpark going around cones and part 2 on the road, but my examiner was on foot, 😂

All the cbt stuff seems for the better, but yeah that A2 proposal is uhhh... not very inviting as a younger rider, especially since most people I've talked to say the worst part about the licensing, as you also say, isn't the difficulty but the cost

My mum did the cbt on a scooter thing. Fortunately I could help her through the clutch/gear thing in car parks, but I can see how that would leave many people struggling.

I'm 3/4 of the way through the laborious and expensive process atm. Remember my first ride after CBT though - wobbly AF and ran wide on a few simple bends on way to work.

2:42 they had me do the cbt on a 50cc automatic scooter due to "not having enough time to learn everything from scratch" as I had never been on a motorbike of any kind before. so what I did was the cbt on the automatic scooter, then came back for geared lessons (2 of them) now I'm at a level where I can take the mod 1 training and test

Great video 👍 I must agree with you regarding learning on an auto for the cbt, some people won't train or practise to get proficient on a manual. But saying that, my wife has a auto car licence and did her cbt on an auto , now she rides a 400cc peugeot metropolis automatic scooter on a car licence, win win situation for her.

I got my car license in the UK. And then got my full motorcycle license in The Netherlands. The NL system already has basically all of the things in this list, (and is also seamlessly digital... including a health certificate proving you're fit enough to ride which I would endorse) although structure is slightly different; A theory, and two practical tests. No L plate system here either, you have to ride with an instructor always. It makes it much more likely you're actually ready to ride safely when you pass. I am very pleased I learned to ride here, I feel the quality of schooling I got was excellent, and the bar to pass was high so felt I was actually qualified. All these changes in this list should be made .

All complicated to me. When i passed my test in 1964 i just rode round the block a few times waiting and having to anticipate when the examiner would step out in the road to test my emergency stop.

Really happy if these changes take place, been sitting on my a2 for almost 3 years.

I dont think the answer is making it more difficult for young and poor people by adding extra tests, the answer is better enforment of proper training bodies and raise the training standards. Educate with some crash videos, some what not to do examples

I think, if you have a full car license after one CBT/ bike theory test you should be given a full A1. It's ridiculous that you have to keep paying a CBT when you know how the road works and you've proved that you can operate a bike.

Did my theory test before my CBT as it just seemed the logical thing to do, thought it was crazy when i found out it wasn't a requirement.

I feel if you need to do your theory for the CBT then it shouldn't last for only 2 years but should be a permanent license but that would basically make the a1 license redundant or the other way round. What would be better is to make the cbt a 2 day course, first day spent learning the rules of the road and maneuver training, then the second day abit more on the bike training followed by the on road riding.

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

Everything people want extra from a cbt will only lead to it's removal. There is nothing like it for cars, even with the theory added its very little training.

My CBT took half an hour in a car park and an hour on the road, no theory was mentioned just stop at red lights, realised after a month of riding and many close calls you’ve got to give way to the right on a roundabout 😂

@spicy110

10 ай бұрын

Jesus that's exactly what has to stop. Glad you made it hahe

Did my first cbt at 19 on a manual, then my second at 35 on manual ready for my direct access. Glad i could do it all in one rather than having to do 2 tests.

One person didn't make it through the CBT on my day due to not being confident enough for road section. Since this, the school has started offering a few 2 day CBT courses. Some might say a money maker, but its not forced or pushed, just there as an option for people who really want to ride but don't have a ton of confidence.

I’d did not do a minimum of 2 hours riding which I wasn’t happy with but a month near 2 down the line, I passed (somehow) but KZread has taught me more than anything I was told on the day… a lot of channels with a1 training from basic to black belt level so putting in a lot of my time on the bike repeatedly training and seeing results which haven’t left me underside or worse 😅

I do agree with a lot of the changes but i also think we should make it as cheap as possible and as easer as possible to get on the road on two wheels. If you start as a motorcyclist I think it makes you a far better car driver in terms of observations courtesy and having a better awareness of two wheel users.

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

That would require some sort of gov grant, it's a nice Idea but would take a lot of work to get going and I bet the gov would have no interest.

@benclimo461

10 ай бұрын

Driving schools still need the money unfortunately so I can't really see it being cheaper. I don't think it should be easier either, the tests are already reasonably easy. Theory tests should be mandatory for CBT riders though, I can't believe they don't have to do that test

Looks like I passed my A1 and B just in time. Knew tightening of the CBT was coming & wanted to get out the system! All in all the changes make sense *for new riders* but will be a shame for those who have been in the system for a long time. For example, someone who has had 7 or 8 CBT's now will be subject to 6 points where they would have had 12 points on a car by the end of the first one - obvious solution here would be either 6 points blanket on a provisional or 12 points on any CBT after the first. With regard to the manual/auto restrictions, if you have passed on a manual in the past you should be able to do subsequent CBT's on an auto and still retain that manual "entitlement". Also, not a lot of geared 50's around these days. 16 year olds who want a geared bike when they turn 17 will invariably have to do another CBT which is an unintended consequence surely? I'm all for scrapping the system of the CBT altogether and bringing it into the modern age. If you're going to make people do a theory, 6 points, restrict transmissions, etc, then why not just make them do an A1 at that point?

Down here in west wales it cost 800 all in all for the mod 1 and 2 take out the training and it was still around 400

i kinda agree on all of the information you have given in this video I think it will be easier for the people who runs cbt to do this

I've been on an A2 for 8 years now. I spent a few years not riding due to money but have got back into it the start of this year. Personally i would rather pay more and do 7 hours of training than have to go through the test again.

@jonathancox1530

10 ай бұрын

I’m in the same situation Wanting to do my full license but can’t find any training school willing to charge less than £650

@uaveye1657

9 ай бұрын

But doing 7 hours Vs like 2 hours test will definitely cost more

@Ellis01234567890

9 ай бұрын

@@uaveye1657 a 2 hour test requires 2 days of training. Direct access courses generally cost around £700 these days. If they charge £100 per hour of training the cost will be the same.

My Son did his CBT this week in Bath @ Pheonix Trainging School, Started at 8am and was still out on final ride until 7pm.

@spicy110

10 ай бұрын

That's a proper days training! Good stuff.

I upgraded from A2 to A 3 years ago and I was quite lucky to have found a school that did it all in for £300 I can definitely seeing the 7 hours of training method to cost a lot more than that

I agree with all of it. Regarding the training from A1 to A, instead of another mod1/2, I'd rather do that too. Although more expensive, still better than failing either lol On a side note my cousin lives in the US, when his stepson did his (extremely easy) car test, he filled in a form which gave him his full motorcycle licence too 😬

@carlarthur4442

11 ай бұрын

That would be too easy , in this country everything is about money in the disguise 🥸 of road safety 🙄

@stuartmacdonald9289

11 ай бұрын

​@@carlarthur4442not true. Yes it could be made more affordable, but the test has been dumbed down alot in recent years, I wonder sometimes how some " drivers " ( I use the term loosely here) get their licence. The standards of driving in this country have in my opinion become poor.

@benclimo461

10 ай бұрын

A lot of states in the US are completely useless about testing and people wonder why theres so many accidents...

@benclimo461

10 ай бұрын

​@@carlarthur4442while I completely disagree with A2 and A licence and the way it's been done. I think if you've been on an A2 license for 2 years then it should automatically upgrade to an A licence. Proper testing is definitely not a scam for the government to make money off of, and if you think it is then I don't know what to say.... Better training leads to better driving/riding capabilities, it also allows less people to be nervous or scared when going out in a vehicle.

Going to do my cbt soon so interesting to hear about the proposals, in terms of the manual or automatic training on a 50cc or 125cc why is it not possible to take all the Categories of motorcycle licence on a automatic only like you can choose when driving a car?

😊I. Ike the progression from a2 to a if doesn't involve testing....so it would be like a long cbt with a big bike? Without test? I'm up for that. In terms of learning I think is more effective than just doing the tests again (mod 1 plus 2)

Not sure about the different stages to get to full licence, like A1 to A2, but I'm on a CBT and to get direct access I was quoted £900. Can't quite afford it, plus there's devoting nearly a full week for the training, but this is with a reputable school.

Completely agree. Im on a group on facebook for beginners and it really grinds my gears when people say they are taking CBT on a twist and go and then buying a manual bike just to get the certificate. Why not be taught properly by a professional instructor on the type of bike you want to ride? Its Completely different ride. Dangerous. Also agree about delivery riders. I commute in London and wonder how many of them are still alive

Fully agree with everything you said. I actually think they should really get rid of the CBT and have just the A1 as a minimum requirement because CBT has always been basically a cheat to skip real thorough training. Now I have done CBT 5 times, 6th booked and been riding since I was a kid but not everyone has this experience. I decided to finally stop messing around and get the A licence before they move the goalposts again. Nice one spicy, been watching you for donkeys mate always brilliant 👍😎

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

I think it does need to be there for people to learn as unlike a car you can't have someone with a license in the passenger seat. But it's also not really enough and now you add on theory it is basically a cheap A1. So it would makes sense to get rid of it...and now I am in a catch-22. It's a tricky one.

@techtinkerin

11 ай бұрын

Yep good words! Nice one 😎

Fully support the CBT changes. The school I trained with was excellent, but I was still very unprepared for going solo on the road. The theory test requirement is a complete no-brainer, nobody should be on the road without passing it. The progressive training also sounds good. Even if it works out more expensive it would be less stressful and more certain than re-doing to mod 1 and mod 2. But, they really need to couple this with an overhaul of the daft engine size restrictions. I'm currently doing my A1 license, not because I want to be stuck at 125cc but I'm only interested in scooters and it's basically impossible (at least in this part of the UK) to do the A2 or A without using a geared bike. Progressive training would be a big step forward if they make it possible to do it on a lower category machine - ie, use a 125 to upgrade to the A2, or a 500 to do the A.

@colinwiseman

11 ай бұрын

@kippkipper4126 *yet.

@colinwiseman

11 ай бұрын

@kippkipper4126 no, you may not be and I am certainly not. I rarely go above 30 🤣 but it's not about you or I though. It's about the kids doing the wheelies and burn outs and driving around ridiculously because they've been given a 10 minute lesson and sent out to kill themselves on the road. The CBT should be harder so the young knob heads don't give us good riders a bad name.

@seannewton1798

11 ай бұрын

@@colinwiseman lol what does it matter about the CBT? People who are knobs will still be knobs at the end of the day no matter if they had more training or not, also it doesn't matter the age as older people also act like knobs.

@colinwiseman

11 ай бұрын

@@seannewton1798 what's the point in the CBT in the first place, if that's your argument. Just let any cunt on a bike, fuck it. Free for all!

@BlokeOnAMotorbike

11 ай бұрын

@kippkipper4126 it's maybe(?) not about you, or I, or any other sensible rider on the road... but if you don't ride as though a: other road users can't see you and b: as if other road users are out to kill you, then the chances are proportionately higher with the level of complacency that you will end up on a slab with a toe tag.

There is no need to spend 4 hours in a car park doing U-turns if you can demonstrate within 10 minutes you are competent and safe at doing them. The impression I got when doing my CBT was that your progression through the course is based on your learning pace, the instructor will tailor your training based on what you need. We already knew how to control the bike so our CBT was pretty much about 30 minutes in the enclosed area doing controlled manoeuvres, an emergency stop, and then about an hour on the road (town, country, and bypass) with a few U-turns thrown in. From start to finish we were about 3 and a half hours, that includes eye sight check, documents, basic theory, and bike gear.

Sounds similar to what the Irish IBT is just now. You have progressive access by doing a module if you have already passed the A2 test. Makes sense. You have already passed a test. Theory test - In Ireland you won't get your learner permit without theory and then you need to do the IBT. A direct access IBT in Ireland is 18 hours and you do that. They won't let you out of the trading area until they think you are competent. Direct access is about 500 euros. It does get you ready for the road.

I think the CBT changes are a great idea. The school I went with were excellent and our ride out was cut short to return to base because the other lad who was doing it was a danger to himself and other road users and he was given words about what to brush up on before coming back for another go but then the instructor said that although he would be happy to pass me there and then we had not done the full two hours so we would have to go back out and complete the 2 hours. I was chatting to someone the other day who went to a different school who shocked me when he told me he had only done 15 minutes on the road before getting his CBT and that his other friend who was only a learner himself had had to take him on a car park to learn how to ride 😲It is frankly frightening to think that this is happening so it definitely needs to be changed.

Greeeaaat I just done my full license from an A2, was pretty stupid just had to do the same thing again pretty much

I did my CBT at what I considered a "lesser" school because the best training school around here had such a long waiting list and I wanted to do my full license quickly. Even so, it was a full day and we even did the road ride in the pouring rain. I actually asked if you could pass on a 50cc and ride a 125cc and they said yes, but we don't do that here. Only the 16 year olds rode scooters.

My Daughter is busy with her A2 at present. Did her time on her 50cc and then did A1 and now A2. Passed her car drivers test first time including the theory tests. Just to get her A2 (Theory, CBT, Module 1) is already over £1000 and now still the Mod 2 to come. I think the industry is set up so everyone can make money out of us!! My Daughter has been riding and driving for many years already! After A2 is fully achieved, they should ask for 2-3 years riding on that licence and then the Full lice should just happen naturally with no further tests etc. Also, for an A2 licence, once your CBT, theory and Module 1 has been done, you should be able to go out on the road with someone with a full licence to get some practice (like having a passenger in a car). The riding schools allow then to ride (sometimes up to 45 minutes) to test centres and if they fail, they still have to ride back to the riding school???? Doesn't make any sense!

I think that the motorcycle licensing method at the moment is crazy, I would much prefer cbt, and a DAS style course with limited HP/KW for the first 2 years. The current system makes it so hard to get a license I look back at when I did my license back in the 80s and it was very different, no CBT (bit silly) and once you had a license you could ride what ever you could afford (again a bit silly) best trainer is experience and I think a minimum ammount of trg before you are allowed to take your full test

Thank you for this video, I currently hold the a2 would be better if they bring in the upgrade from the a2 to a full A like this , I think all the changes would be better

I work in a dealership and brand new to biking customers can be so varied in their experience from CBT onward. Defo agree delivery drivers have had someone become an instructor to pass them through as they're poor riders round Manchester too. A2 license holders going for full license should be equivalent to the test cost in training time and no more or it won't improve the current system

When I did my cbt in stoke on Trent, the people that were on my course were shit icl the instructors were very good and out of 11 of us only 2 passed myself included. They Were brutal on picking up points you can improve on. They said they don’t want a bad name for motorcyclists which is why they’re making it difficult I turn making it safer for us. Personally think it’s a great idea to put the standard higher

Yes here in Southampton we have the plague of delivero scooters using cycle lanes and boxes to get ahead of the queue ,etc.... seems to be a given if on L plates.

did my cbt in march but bought a dtr125 before hand....never drove or rode before.....i couldn't get to grips with gears so got put on a 50cc rev and go seemed like the instructor had little time for me on the day... then it was down the car park and picked up so many bad habits since then also if someone gives a licence to ride a 600cc bike i'm going to get a 600cc bike regardless if i have the skill to ride it or not then i end up dead.....gsxr 600 yes please when it should be rd 250 gamma then xl 400 or drz 400 and then maybe the gsxr (showing my age a little)....why cant we have the option to move through the cc classes and end up where we feels safe....i know i cant ride well but i will learn then when i'm ready to move on its tested on a 600cc when i know i'll only need 250/300

Progressive would be really good for getting full A licence, as at some point you go to a school anyway to get a feel for the bigger bike before the test, would just remove the extra steps and 2 days for tests for mod 1 and 2

I’m so confused i’ve only had a cbt so far and i’ve been pulled over for speeding and ended up with a fine and 6 points so im not sure about the losing cbt thing i got the points about a year ago and have been pulled over again and no issues so im genuinely confused

I did a CBT last week, my first having never ridden a motorbike or moped before, did the onsite training but refused to do the road ride as i simply didn't feel safe, confident and ready for it. Personally I don't think 2-3 hours of offroad training is enough for anyone just starting out on their 2 wheel journey and ive had a full car licence for 43 years, HGV for 32 years and PSV for 11 years, but i guess we're all different.

@spicy110

Ай бұрын

If you did not feel safe to go out that is a very good call! Maybe it is all that experience of 4 wheels you have to learn around. Best of luck with it!

@andyg934

Ай бұрын

@@spicy110 Thanks you may be right. I've booked another CBT for late this month to give it another go, hopefully next time!

Any guesses on how long it would take to implement this? Looking into doing the DAS to upgrade from my A2 😅😂

I get it could be more expensive for further training, which is always good, but wonder if the national BikeSafe training courses would qualify (£35)?

I'm currently riding on a CBT & am probably going to do an A1 later this year, as that's what I'm used to. Will the progression changes just be for A2 to A? Or will it be from A1 onwards?

The A2 License upgrade is a step in the right direction since having to book into do new tests after riding for 2 years is pointless and takes away time from those wanting to do their first tests. Would be better if it was just an automatic upgrade, but you take what you can get. Think they should also look at scrapping the A1 and dedicated AM licenses since they seem a bit pointless to me

The only point I would question is about the theory test, it is probably a good idea for somebody who has no licence before a CBT to do a theory test but is that realistic for somebody who has a car licence which they have had for decades? So perhaps that should be taken into consideration. Also overall how far do you want to go into a nanny state, in my view the knowledge and skill level of the rider is far more important than the number of hoops and bits of paper you have acquired. There are some really safe riders with L plates but there are also some really dangerous riders with a full A Licence.

@benclimo461

10 ай бұрын

Motorcycle and car theory tests are different I've got a full license on my bike but don't have a car yet, unfortunately I have to do another theory test... I don't understand how they can be so different that you need another test

@user-zu8wc3sc4g

10 ай бұрын

@@benclimo461 I only have a CBT for a motorbike but a full car licence I have had for over 35 years. I suppose the difference may be to do with cornering, braking and waiting at traffic lights...as a guess as those seem to be slightly different. I may get round to doing a version of the motorcycle licence but these days there seems to be lots of red tape compared to a few decades ago. I am all for safer drivers and riders on the road but in the case of both motorcycles, cars, vans etc you get lots of really poor drivers who have obviously had a licence for years. I have often thought that some kind of training/test combined would be better as being observed whilst riding/driving is not a natural set of circumstances and some people don't perform well under observation, even though they may be very good otherwise.

I'd like to see the car test become at least as rigorous. I got a couple of local quotes for A" training, minimum £900. It's for my son who's an apprentice and obviously earning far less than instructors

Being an ex ROSPA/DSA Instructor... YEP... I approve to all of this. They SHOULD have gone computerised way before now. Like you, a little concerned on how they do this new 7 hour system, but, done right, could work right, Auto to Manual, yeah, THAT'S A DEFFO! and, the assessing schools/training centres themselves, deffinitely a good thing, standards must be kept to a good level to ensure riders have the best chance on the road. So yeah... Sounds positive all the way through. 👍 Bonus: I REALLY STILL THINK, 50cc peds should have this 28mph limit REMOVED, or at least raised to 40/45Mph because there are A LOT of 50cc ped/scooter riders out in the countryside that have to ride on National Speed Limit roads/A roads, that have trucks/Vans even Buses steaming past them, so if the 50cc peds could do more of the road speed then, they wouldn't be as intimidated or blasted by with a HUGE vehicle doing 50/60 etc... 😎🇬🇧

I did my das in 2020. I was already driving since 2005 but didn't know if I needed the theory to do the cbt portion so did it before booking my das course. I was surprised to find I didn't need the theory to get my cbt done. No wonder there's so many teens out there with no knowledge of how the roads work riding about on 50's and 125's causing chaos. Definitely a good change to have the need for the theory with the cbt

@spicy110

11 ай бұрын

Yes, they relied on the schools to make sure it was covered in the CBT but this is how it went in my first cbt. The instructor holds up a highway code book and says "Read it" and throws it back in the shed.

@hexsymbol2229

11 ай бұрын

@@spicy110 yeah that's what they said with my cbt when I did my das. I'm now looking at getting my hgv license and going through the theory again. Should be expert at it soon lol

Im confused, we do have penalty points on provisional liscense with CBT. I have a CBT and 3 points on my liscense for speeding. I've read the rules are that at 12 points I get a 6 month driving ban and will have to reapply for my provisional. Please correct me if im wrong

@michaelaris58

11 ай бұрын

The way I see it or it should be that once an A license has been passed, if that rider gets six points in two years should be made to retake the test as that’s what happens with car drivers, currently we learners can tot up 12 points then a ban, it seems to me that learners are getting bullied by A license riders and some of them should be banned,

@Gandalftheblack137

11 ай бұрын

@@michaelaris58 I would never advocate for more restrictions on riders.

I did my CBT on a geared bike then rode a scooter for 9 months then when i bought a geared bike stalled it all the way home. I had to redo my CBT before I did my A2 as the waiting list for a test was to long and the guy basically said to me look I can pass you now you clearly are here for renewal but I wanted the training with an instructor as i wanted to get into good habits for my upcoming test. And yeah I could have upgraded my A2 5 years ago now but going through the test process again and a decreased amount of riding in recent years I haven't done it. It may cost more but it seems alot less jeopardy and paperwork involved in an upgrade course and I know alot of peoplemy age in a similar position.

So having finally just booked my CBT and looking forward to doing the mod 1 & 2 shortly after (I'm 40 and late to the party) I'm quite interested to see the changes being proposed even though they probably won't affect me. Having driven for many years and having HGV as well as car and having done advanced driving for work, I am shocked that riders on a CBT don't already have to do the theory test before going out alone so fully support that. In actual fact I have booked mine ahead of my CBT so it's out of the way as I don't plan to ride on L plates. I also think that having a more structured progression for younger riders is a great idea and using better equipped/ trained schools to take the increased load from the DVSA assessors is a great idea. Having just read the full proposals from the MCIA and their recommendations regarding new categories for EV bikes and scooters, I think it was far too confusing! Licensing for E-bikes that can have more power than a 50CC moped makes sense but licensing and insurance for 14 years old's on e-scooters seems a bit far in my opinion! Limiting CBT's to once only with a further advanced CBT and following up by a full test makes much more sense. Encourage and reward riders to learn new skills and improve their riding but also promote the move to a full license by making it easier through a training school if you are remaining on AM or A1 is a great idea. Only requiring DVSA test if you progress to A2 or A. Looking at the figures there are 180,000 CBT's every year but only 1000 A1 tests! The system doesn't work at the moment. Not sure about the benefits of lowering DA to 21 especially if there are all these other levels of progress available, but maybe that's the old fart in me that it doesn't affect... thoughts?

I enjoyed my first CBT and TheoryTest i went fore lexmoto enigma 125cc my instructer did say i be in groups next time i assumed it be A2 motorcycle license upgrade they said i can use my own bike next time too :)

be good to see a intergrated advance to 300cc top for over 25s after doing a cbt

I see it as a problem as a car driver wanting mybike licence

You know what, I didn’t even know about the “points” on a CBT. It explains a lot about why they ride like that.

@mrburn6119

11 ай бұрын

Currently you are only allowed 6 points on a provisional. you need a provisional to get a CBT

*Currently you are only allowed 6 points on a provisional. you need a provisional to get a CBT*

I think anything that encourages people to actually get a licence is a good thing. The CBT shouldn't be considered a licence, it's training and should only be considered a step on the journey. I worked with a bloke in his 60's who had been riding peds on a provisional licence most of his life. I'm almost certain that he just had the same bloke sign him of every two years.

I'd be much more inclined to upgrade my A2 if it was 7 hours training extra. But I do love my SV650 even though its restricted and don't need anything more. As for CBTs I totally agree with these changes. The amount of idiots out on 125s currently is ridiculous. As you say the delivery drivers are some of the worst riders I've seen. I'm glad I had to do an extra day on my CBT especially for learning a geared bike, made a world of difference and I can't understand how schools fast track it so much

@benclimo461

10 ай бұрын

I've got an A2 and an sv650 😄 and like you I'd rather have 7 hours of training, although as we already have a decently quick and heavy bike I can't really see a reason why A2 shouldn't be automatically upgrade IF you have already been riding for 2 years. Although I'm not sure if delivery drivers will be any better even if they had 2 weeks of constant training, they care about money and doing the most deliveries as possible, riding sensibly is just going to cut into their profits. I don't know how it would be possible to force them to ride better.

@JackalArtsmith

10 ай бұрын

On a Sportster 883 and on an A2 myself, would def prefer the 7 hours of training. With that 7 hours of training, I get more training/a refresher, + a licence upgrade. With the current method, I get bored out of my mind doing the exact same test I've already done for my A2, with an examiner scrutinising the slightest problems, and in general it's just a nerve wracking experience, literally just to have a full licence, and ability to ride a bike with more than 47 bhp. The proposed change to 7 hours of training is more expensive, but I honestly think it'd make newer A licence riders far more experienced by the end of it, so we actually have BETTER riders, and not A2 holders who are probably disinterested in repeating a test, coming out of said test with probably nothing new learned or honed, they've just repeated the same motions they've done already, learned nothing new from it or had nothing improved on, and been given a licence.

Adding the requirement of theory test before a CBT just adds more cost for younger riders, say 16 year old's. I will explain. You get your license ready for 16, do your theory test ready for CBT, then pass your CBT at 16. Both theory test and CBT expire in 2 years. But, at 18, you are only old enough to do A1 license test, which is crap and nobody bothers with it. So, these 18 year olds will now have to redo their CBT as before but also another theory test just to carry on riding for one more year, when they can finally sit A2. That means younger riders are getting stung even more so than they are currently and that will sadly dissuade youngsters from getting into motorcycling. They will either have to shell out twice for two things now or forced to take another driving test (totalling 3) in their quest for that unrestricted A license. Another solution could be to give more purpose to the A1 license and allow these riders to officially train up to A2, without the pressure of more tests, similar to the proposed A2 -> A progression. I'd still keep an option to just do more tests as well though for those confident enough to do that instead. Seems stupid to offer the training up thing only to A2 and not to A1 license holders. Mean while, 17 y/o car drivers can pass in a Corsa then legally jump into an Ariel Atom the same day they pass the driving test. Or to the other extreme, a 3.5tn long wheel base Transit van for example.

@spicy110

10 ай бұрын

I suggest people wait until they are a little over 17 to do cbt, get a 125cc do theory, then you can do A2 at 19. Get a larger bike when they can and now you are on a bike fast enough for any UK road. No one at 17 is driving anything but a shit box with a black box for less than 3k-4k a year insurance plus the cost of getting a car license which is a lot more. For 3k-4k you can get a bike, cbt, theory, and insurance. I do not see an issue in adding a test to make sure you know the rules of the road for an added £23 cost for the test.

@paulreading1966

10 ай бұрын

​@@spicy110not everyone passes the test first time so it's not just a £23 cost

IF GOVERMENT SAYS you can only last 2 years on CBT then why not make MP,S have to stand of re election every 2 gears too its only fare . and will keep mp,s safe and free from fiddling ?

My son passed CBT on a 125cc scooter but the instructor said he had to stay on automatics.

It would be nice if they upped the cc limit on the grandfathered moped category for older car licence holders from the

@techtinkerin

11 ай бұрын

Yep definitely agree here about 125 cc on a car licence, you could drive a 5 liter V8 but only a 50cc makes no sense😂👍

@Blueburger1

10 ай бұрын

Sorry this will never change it’s all about the money

@colinstevens6837

6 ай бұрын

@@techtinkerin can drive a trike as well