Great video amazing in cold weather

Great test. Thanks

Nice! Thanks!

awesome video!

Great video. I’m contemplating buying a base 3 for long-distance driving (200mi) to my client. This video definitely gave me more perspective.

Hi joe, thank you so much for doing this video, you are a real hero ,i havent seen even one person in the entire youtube have said the truth about the real world tesla winter range for a 2023 model , i think you are the first person who showed us in practical way, Every one just want to hide the bitter truth about the actual range in winter and promoting or influencing us to use EVS or doing a review of 2018 model in a 2023 year. Appreciate your efforts good day :)

Thank you. I have contracted the Tesla Model Y RWD with LFP battery model in South Korea, and I am scheduled to take the car around April of next year. Winter in Korea is approximately as cold as minus 10 degrees Celsius, same as shown in this video. While looking for information on winter driving range, I came across your video. Thank you for providing valuable test data.

@TheArachnoBot

3 ай бұрын

this is degrees farenheit, so about -20 C

This will definitely meet my requirements here in New England. Driving through Boston once a week will definitely keep the speeds down.

Thanks!!

We have the same car and this is what we are seeing in the same conditions. LFP batteries lose a bit more of their charge in extreme cold than NCL batteries, so it's to be expected, but we rarely, if ever drive more than a couple of hours in the winter anyhow, so it's perfectly usable for us.

That is pretty impressive when compared to my Bolt EUV. I think the heat pump makes a huge difference because in below zero temps my climate at 68 degrees uses 35% or more of the battery.

@diegoarmas6723

Жыл бұрын

How much range do you get on your EUV when it’s cold?

@ShadLife

Жыл бұрын

@@diegoarmas6723 It depends on how cold and how far I am driving. Longer drives I actually get better range because the battery and cabin only need to heat up once. I got 188 miles when it was 17 degrees on a short road trip. As for city driving, being that I drive 4 - 6 miles and then shut the car off for many hours only to have it need to warm up again I was getting about 120 miles of range in the teens and below zero, I live in Minnesota, I have gotten below 100 miles of range starting and parking and starting and parking multiple times making the car have to reheat itself.

@diegoarmas6723

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadLife thanks for your reply! I just moved to Indiana and I’m new to cold weather so I was just curious. I am considering getting a model 3 just so I can road trip in it without range anxiety

@conchobar

Жыл бұрын

The last trip I did in my '21 Bolt at subfreezing temps, I got around 140 miles. Granted I was on CrossClimate 2 tires, which reduce range by 10%.

@eggshi

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadLifeare you able to charge at home? Thinking about getting a RWD model 3 in a cold climate and can only supercharge

I have the same car. I got it last February and have driven just under 14,000 miles so far. My cumulative wh/mi is 213. This obviously captures driving around town but the bulk of my miles are highway commuter miles averaging 55mph (in traffic) to 75mph. I would guess that my pure 75mph test would be around 100 wh/mi better that you’re extreme cold test. Look forward to seeing your spring/summer update!

I just got 140 miles on a full charge on my 2023 standard range all highway miles 70-80mph had 2% left. Outside temp 1F

@dragonshit88

3 ай бұрын

If its -20C and the car with a LFP battery is sitting for 8 hours out side will the car heat the cabin reasonability after turning on and driving?

@justinsmith4839

3 ай бұрын

@@dragonshit88 Car was preheated plenty of time before the trips.

I also have just bought same Tesla and during winter(1-2 times a year)I drive 200mi to my cabin, N. Wisconsin and once past Green Bay(Supercharger)for me it’s around 90mi straight North, NO Superchargers. Possibly with some family(depending who wants to go😂, but extra weight). I’m confident Tesla make will it, without a worry. I’ll watch weather and make sure to drive up in 20-30+ degree’s, which I believe will help a bit more in range/chill mode. This video really helped, THANK YOU! If anyone read’s through this, I’d like to hear any thought’s as well?👍

Great video! I’m in Arlington Heights and just got a Model 3. Looking forward to using it in the winter and love that the Meijer supercharger is so close!

@EVMotoring

9 ай бұрын

That’s my local charger too!

@alleyoop5185

5 ай бұрын

Curious about cost difference between super charger and the home charger?

Good to know, although 156 is pretty scary to me.

I appreciate those who do road tests at 75mph. I do long road trips at that speed. Given the recommendation to charge from 10% to 80% to minimize charging time, it becomes painful to take long road trips in any EV.

Just find a touchless car wash we even have one in Upstate NYS! Even when station in NVA I found three in NVA with 10 miles from me!

Helpful video... I am considering a Model 3 (with the long[er] range battery) as a daily driver given that I will have a ~70-~80 mile roundtrip commute, 5x per week, after the New Year. 95% of that commute will be on mostly non-congested freeway, all of it flat. Wintertime here (MD) is significantly less severe than Chicago, although we get some cold days during the season.

@EVMotoring

8 ай бұрын

I’d prefer the long range for that commute just for the added benefit of not needing to plug it in every night. Also the AWD is an added benefit for inclement weather. RWD works for me since there typically isn’t a day that I need to drive. If it’s snowing, I just stay home.

I never thought I'd be happy about traffic. While you CAN whip around at 70-100mph in Los Angeles, (and lots do!), if I get in the slow lane and set autopilot for 65, (the speed limit on my 21 mile commute), on a spring or fall day I can exceed the EPA estimates.

I would be good to go into service mode before the test and see how cold the battery was before the test. Then precondition battery for about 30 minutes at home and repeat the test to see if you get better efficiency.

Good stuff! Thanks for publishing this. I have same car and was curious about COLD weather range @ high(er) speedes. Not bad at those temps! Doing a warm weather one now?

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

Yes I hope to have the warm weather up next week. It just depends on the weather conditions

Excellent video and thank you for the honest information. When it comes time I think my wife and I will opt for the long range version because this would be cutting it too close for a round trip to St. Louis from our house. The long range should make it in the winter with plenty to spare.

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

I always choose my vehicles to make a round trip to Milwaukee with plenty to spare so I understand your thoughts

156 miles @ 75 mph on -9F is awesome ! You could have gone further if you would have pre-condition the car for about 30 mins.

Between polestar 2 and model 3 RWD, standard range - which has better range? Which one you recommend more overall? Thanks

One thing I’ve never seen mentioned about cold weather range is the increased aerodynamic drag effect. Cold air is denser than warm air, and so it takes more energy to move the car through it. If Chicago is around 600 feet above sea level, being at -13F makes the density about 4000 feet below sea level - significant increase in air density and drag!

Picking up a model 3 rwd 2023 in blue in 2 weeks got it for 38k from Tesla, it’s someone’s order that came with bumper damage which has been repaired 😂 I said sure! Only had 8 miles on it. I say that’s a good deal. The person didn’t want it because of the bumper.

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

Congrats on your purchase! Mine was a demo model so it had 600 miles on it and heavy discounts

I did a similar test and got much more than this in my tests.

I like your 75 miles an hour, I think that is much more realistic. But I would question as to your not routing to a supercharger at the end, to avoid the preconditioning overhead potentially. How do you explain that for people who would be driving this vehicle. Do you think they’re likely to be trying to find a nearby destination that is not a charger just so that they can avoid this overhead? I personally think a range test should include any preconditioning the vehicle would do at the end.

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

I also think that not everyone is headed to a supercharger ie navigating to a lake house and charging there overnight.

People say you should pre-condition prior to doing these tests which is true but it disguises a major issue for anyone who doesn't have a home charger.

Driving an X6 M40 and it drinks a lot of gas. Now with less than half the tank and flooring it I get 240miles in cold weather.

@evmotoring i have a model 3 2018 RWD .. and its cold, i preheat the car, i did climate control drove slow in the city for 25min then went to a Tesla Supercharge station plugged in at 20% it went to 120 kwh it still said the baterry was cold it then went to 40 Kwh and did not go higher. I checked the app and even the car but it did not say it was charging and heating the battery. Is that normal? i noticed that 20% battery equaled to 80 Kilometers so thats the only good part.

Thanks for this not getting an better Rangel than my v8 truck, on the high way. Curious how this handles 2 hour Chicago traffic

@misaelramos83

7 ай бұрын

Consumption would be rock bottom sitting in traffic

I still don't know ho this is usable for people who do road trip. Went to the mountains this weekend. it would have taken almost 3 hours to go 160 miles. drive 2 and supercharge 1 hour. Also, there is no cell service in upstate NY nor many super chargers. Anyone have thoughts on this? I have a f150 and get about 500 miles per tank and rotten MPG. Would love to jump into electric, but don't see how.

Batteries HATE being cold. Heat really doesn't use that much energy as you've found. The reality is the loss of efficiency is simply down to the battery being miserable being that cold.

Drove a Tesla model Y. Loved it but…..I commute 160 rt a day. Doesn’t get that cold where I am but I like having a vehicle with 400 mile plus range. Worried about degradation if I have to use supercharger a lot. Could charge overnight at home but I want more margin. Next car will probably be electric in 3-5 years. I think they will continue to Improve. Tesla is really only game in town. Way ahead of the others.

Her's a good test for you. Charge the Tesla battery to full charge, unplug it and let it sit overnight. (Unplugged) How much charge/mileage does it lose? Drive it the next day, not charging it, and see what your battery percentage is when you get home.

I think that range is respectable in the frigjd cold. The thing I have learned is that if I get a Tesla, route planning is essential. Of course, route planning is also a good idea for gasoline powered cars. :-) Thanks Joe for braving the cold so we could get this information.

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

Some electric cars route plan much better than others. Imo Tesla and Ford have the best trip planners but it’s always a good idea to throw the destination in ABRP to double check.

@pauld6967

Жыл бұрын

@@EVMotoring My current car, the one I am thinking of trading in if I could ever make it throughout the entire process without getting a 502 gateway error, is a Ford. Being presented both a distance saving and a time saving alternate route from the beginning really helps my navigation along with the warnings of incidents along the way. So yes I am very satisfied with the navigation. I was impressed with Tesla navigation on my test drives of the Model 3 and the Model Y.

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

@@pauld6967 just a heads up, the base Tesla nav does not have music or traffic. The test drive would’ve had the “premium connectivity” which is $10 per month or $100 per year. I have a referral code linked in the video description that will get you 500 miles worth of free charging should you end up with Tesla. :)

@pauld6967

Жыл бұрын

@@EVMotoring Oh yes, I know. I mentioned before that I would use it and that remains the plan. I am aware of the subscription aspect after the first 30 days and plan on going the yearly route since that saves $20 a year compared to the month-by-month cost.

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

@@pauld6967 that’s what I opted for. Plus it offers a lot more than just traffic

Do you have a rwd version? Would you recommend the rwd or do you think the awd version is needed in the Chicagoland area?

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

I have the RWD in Chicagoland with the stock all season tires and it’s fine for me. I also never have to leave the house during a blizzard and the roads are clear by the time I do.

How does the rear wheel drive hold up in snowy road conditions?

@EVMotoring

9 ай бұрын

It’s worked pretty well for me. The traction control has no delay so it’s very good at controlling any wheel spin

How does it drive in the actual snow with the rear wheel,were thinking of getting one here in new york and the rear wheel is our budget unfortunately

@NHRunDad

Жыл бұрын

I can’t speak to the Tesla, but I have a Leaf and a Bolt, both FWD, that are excellent with snow tires in NH. The regenerative braking keeps the wheels from locking up while still slowing you down. It’s like a more consistent downshifting in an ICE standard transmission. For my cars the heavier weight kept it well grounded. I still drive cautiously. I grew up in Plattsburgh NY so driving in the snow is natural, but my EV’s are still as good or better than my Subaru or any other cars I had.

@lesstevens2370

Жыл бұрын

If you watch electric Canuck he has a rwd model 3 in Canada and he does lots of video demonstrating its capabilities

I was wondering about preconditioning. How long do you need to precondition in the cold weather?

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

15 minutes is typically sufficient.

@user-wc8cn7pt6m

9 ай бұрын

Can you set it and forget it everyday from your smart phone, if you work 5 days a week?

I heard you mention in your EV tax credit video that you had a Model 3 and now we see it. What happened to the Polestar? I understand your using a 75 mph speed for your area, but where we live 70 is more like the max speed. And realistically unless youre covering huge distances the time difference in your travels going 75 to me arent worth the range that is lost for the extra speed.

I thought US standard range Model Ys were not actually LFP.

My 2023 Model 3 rwd (LFP) did just like a you did. last winter most of times 140-160 miles per Full charge. But, summer time(july -aug) range about 210-230 Never reach the tesla claimed range 272.

When was this video shot and what location ?

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

A couple months ago in northern Illinois.

@zerocool801

Жыл бұрын

@@EVMotoring Makes sense as I did not believe it could be this cold at this time of the year. I also own that same car.

Above 65 and the amount of energy greatly increases, above 70 and it's almost exponential. We just did a drive from Ohio to Colorado and back, above 70 was murder on efficiency. I was okay with going slower anyways as that's 90% of the drive if you're not weaving in and out of traffic.

@doomsday9973

8 ай бұрын

So true 70 mph really is the magic number.

@woohooivan

8 ай бұрын

@@doomsday997369 is the magic number ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

How much did it cost to fill up?

@EVMotoring

10 ай бұрын

Every location varies. Tesla provided 2,000 miles of complimentary charging with my purchase.

Great review, just ordered a M3 rear wheel drive for my daughter as her HS and college car. Please clarify, at the end of your review, it’s showing 1 hour and 10 minute to a full charge on a Supercharger? How long to an 80% charge. I’ve been told stopping for 5-10 minutes above 25% remaining will add 100 miles of range, is that accurate?

@misaelramos83

7 ай бұрын

Maybe in ideal conditions at a V3 supercharger. Idk if the LFP car can charge that fast also.

As the President of Ford said..Americans will not pay a premium price for a ev. He is saying what most of us know. rest most of us know.

Definitely good range at -10F , if you did 70mph you could’ve got more range too

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

Yes, speed definitely makes a big difference. I’ve done my other range tests at 75 and similar conditions, climate control, etc

You still got some range below 0%. I think you got like 5 to 10 mi left after 0% I done it before my model y I was able to get six miles but I made it to the house and I just put it on the charger I probably could have got more but I didn't take that risk

@EVMotoring

Жыл бұрын

The LFP doesn’t have as much. I’ve actually run out in mine before.

Considering the fact that this was done in almost the worst conditions. I'd say this is impressive. -11F car not fully preconditioned tire pressure not checked before hand 75MPH and still getting 160 Miles on a full charge with the standard range battery

mileage what you make is usselles... for car i think.. 2 hours driving 1 hour charging .. too bad in my opinion..

With Tesla network and consistent charging speeds 150 miles is ok

300 km tops at zero degrees

batteries dont like the cold,,,, grade 1 ,,, lol

Great car, 2 hrs of driving, over an hour to sit at supercharger. My hybrid Camry will get me over 4 hrs of driving and 5 minutes to fill up.

160 miles ...I will stick to my ice car.....My wifes Honda Civic has a range of 440 miles...

@jebes909090

8 ай бұрын

Plus the civic wont randomly erupt into flames for no reason

@SovereignSlate

7 ай бұрын

@@jebes909090listening to fake news again are we

@rhdtv2002

7 ай бұрын

Nice. Although how much for gas and how much for electric for a 440 range needs to be thought of. Obviously time is money so if you don’t want long stops then ICE is the way to go

@GunnyMac360

7 ай бұрын

You’re on an EV motoring page yapping about your wife’s Honda Civic 😂😂😂

@jebes909090

7 ай бұрын

@@GunnyMac360 because we are talking about cars. people seem to think that evs arent cars but some kiinda magical device. but they are underperforming cars.

Maybe you should buy your Tesla a winter coat? 160 miles from a full charge is a joke. My Outback goes 500 miles on a tank and takes 5 minutes to refuel to go another 500 miles. Your Tesla will need 6 visits to a "Supercharger" to go the same distance. Plus you'll need to spend over 7 hours sitting and waiting while recharging. Additionally, my car's fuel tank doesn't shrink when the weather gets cold and it doesn't need "conditioning" to refuel.

@GunnyMac360

7 ай бұрын

No one cares

Tesla recommends 20%-80% charge. What kind of BS test is this?

@robcramer289

8 ай бұрын

the new battery in the 23 model 3 is ok to go to 100% still has the 20% rule though.

@sakispsinakis

8 ай бұрын

@@robcramer289 Does it fastcharge up to 100% or does it slow down after 80%? Also the Audi dealer told me that after 4 years, if I only use fast chargers, the battery would lose 10-20% of it's original capacity. Does this happen to Teslas as well? Just spoke to a Model 3 Long Range owner and he said that realistically he gets 210 miles. That's really pathetic considering my X6 gets over 500 miles and I floor it. I don't have charging at our apartment and my wife hates waiting to charge so not sure how to convince her.

Not legit IMO, he charged the car overnight do the same test have the car charged first. then leave it out in the cold and then talk about the results at that temperature (heres a hint you’d have lost a lot more range)

Please name a car that has a range of 100 miles outside of battery toy cars. Again talking about 20-80% charge as recommended by Tesla .

If its -20C and the car with a LFP battery is sitting for 8 hours out side will the car heat the cabin reasonability after turning on and driving?

@EVMotoring

3 ай бұрын

IMO it does a great job. Especially with the heated seat and steering wheel speeding up that process

@dragonshit88

3 ай бұрын

@@EVMotoring Good to know! I need it to put out some warm air with cold temps. Have 2 little kids in carseats so no heated seats for them.