Thank you for that morgan. Thank you for all the testing you've been doing on that bike and showing everybody you're not hiding a single thing and that's awesome

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

My 24 te300 ridding 75% single track and 25% fast dirt roads In Taylor park went 44 miles till the light went on and empty at 55

Awesome, glad to see it drain most of the tank. As an engineer, we have a saying "trust, but verify", so I very much appreciate these tests. Also, gives me something to watch while I wait for mine to come in.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Sweet

Riding sick is miserable. Appreciate the test! I sold my TPI and went to a Rieju 300. Love the bike, but definitely keeping an eye on all your testing!

Fantastic! More excellent content. I can't wait to get my suspension back so I can ride this thing!

Thanks for this video! Good stuff.

I'm so glad I snapped up the last 2019 300 XC in the south east when I did. Put on a lectron and tuned it once and everyone who has a TPI said it runs better than theirs. Still get offers on the bike for more than I paid.

Thanks for doing this exercise.

Very interesting test, looking forward to the full distance test Results surprised me as well!

As someone that works in building trades I like your engineer comments.

I'm glad you tested it. Sometimes you just gotta test stuff. Love the channel.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

This series is great

I knew that I recognized that name! I've stopped at your shop for parts while visiting the area before! Top notch videos on the new bikes!

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man

Excellent test👍🏼

Thanks Morgan!

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

You Bet!

I did this test with my 2024 TE 300 today. Breaking in the bike with less than 70% throttle most of the time riding easy single track and some easy enduro canyons. Fuel light came on at 38mi. Bike began to sputter at 59mi. I was riding easy smooth single track with an occasional little bump in the trail when it "ran out of fuel" There was about 2 inches of fuel left in the left wing of the OEM tank. Not too bad. I'll carry a 30oz bottle of fuel for now. Maybe get the acerbis tank in time.

Yeh same with my KTM the fuel level strip must be above fuel and get warm to send the signal to the dash. Very good. I am thinking accelerating is what forces fuel up into the pump cavity. You fast guys could wheelie that last pint of fuel out.

Nice video! Hope you feel better soon. Even while sick you ride better than I do... KTM must be using super secret absorber pad fuel storage technology in the fuel pump pickup bag. Perhaps they contracted with "Depends". 😆 Kidding aside, good to see the system works. That bike sounds great too.

Real world test, great job.

There you go no worries Morgan cool👍

Awesome video. I was wondering what happened after it ran out (i.e. if it would start up).

Let’s all appreciate the fact that this guy had the time to edit and post this video while still being stuck in the middle of the desert until this date 😜

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

Fantastic work. If you're not measuring , you're guessing !

Me and a friend took our new 23 300 xc TBI out this past weekend in TN and I have 4 hours on mine now and we are at about 500 to 1000 feet of elevation and I got 31mpg. I rode 40 miles and climbed a few extra big hills and I used 1.3 gallons of gas. I took my tank off the bike when I got home and emptied it in a gallon jug and I had exactly 1 gallon left.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Awesome!

Nice follow up mate...

great content.. morgan.. just watched your rabaconda video also ! doesn't matter if the product is Old.. I had been thinking about buying one.. rather hear about it from someone you can relate to..

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

My 2019 250 xc ran out of gas at a race , but on the left side it had gas. I dropped to left side to get about a mile to a gas stop.

This is such a valuable video for those of us (me) who feel we got screwed on a TPI purchase, and now have a 23’ TBI on order. Takes away some of the worry. This is why anyone that can support you on Patreon should. And, why I’m driving 5hrs to bring my bike to Highland Cycle for service. Sounds like a pitch, not affiliated with Highland Cycles, but after following Morgan for a few years, I know his content is excellent. Informative and entertaining. I’m curious of how many miles you’ll estimate getting on that .88 liter, or an extra liter?. I’m going to use mine as a trail bike mainly. Thanks Man!

@MiddlePark

Жыл бұрын

I recommend waiting a year or so over getting ripped off again. Ktm will probably go back to carbs or who knows what.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know. I think the FI now is brilliant. A bigger and easier draining tank would be good.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Found It

Thanks for doing the test Morgan. I'm not sure that I'd trust the bottom 1/4-1/3 for motocross due to the repercussions of a bog in the power delivery, but it sure looks like a good design for Offroad since it eliminated the failure point of the tank outlet line.

@rrandydduke

Жыл бұрын

Yep just the slightest bog going through some whoops or at a jump face could send you to the hospital . You don’t want to get slammed into a whoop , I had a friend die like that in the Mojave desert.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

@@rrandydduke that sucks

I remember one time i ran out of gas at fox raceway on the kx100. It was a little scary but i had some people help me put some fuel in got back to my brothers truck. It's been 2 years not riding, as i have been working and saving a lot.At first i was considering a yz250 2t, then the 23 300 SX but now the 300XC sounds perfect. The riding i mostly did was trails at octillo, helendale, apple valley, and big bear and the first year in 2018 summer ive on two motocross tracks. It would be perfect for me since I'm familiar with two stroke power but made more consistent, not a 250f where its heavy and a powerband that im not familiar with, and definitely not a 450 where its too much of both. Easier to maintenance and gas tank i can see 😆. I just don't know how to start my way into buying it msrp plus fees or financing it. Thank you for this video 🙏, making this 23 300 XC Shine A lot.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

It is an incredible machine

Impressive honestly I had my doubts not in the bike it's beautiful but the whole design of that tank to the eye it would seem impossible but with physics u never know what is possible

Can you remove the needle bearings from the swing arm and test to see if they dissappear as fast as the '21 xc's ? Please.

My old 2002 EXC left a bit left in the tank that had to be rocked into the petcock end of the tank

let it ring!

I guess pop a few wheelies and keep going up hill and you’ll send the gas back to the pump. Can’t be good on the fuel pump or running lean or dry on the piston if it occasionally pulls air through the system though. KTMs are awesome machines for sure!

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I get your sarcasm. But I think the bag filter is the key and I think it keeps the pump primed until there isn’t any gas I didn’t notice any lean moments until it stopped.

Well thats a relief. It's like the tank is an optical illusion lol.

Now you don't have to waste valuable riding time building a double fuel siphon 😁

U aren't ever wrong to doubt anything the worst time to find out is the heat of the moment

No offense taken. Thanks for the content, enjoy all the updates. What type of gear bag are you using? Looks like it distributes the weight well on the shoulders/hips with great storage. I have a TX300 Hairitage on order, super pumped after watching your videos.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

It’s a WlfEnduro pack vest. I love it. Thanks

Do you think someone will make a tank that one can use an sx pump?

That looks like a fun loop that even an old cruddy rider could have fun on.

That’s really good!!

Takes a while before the gas light comes back on because the pump cools off

IDK, I get 45 miles and have a little fuel left in the bottom left side, light is on and I have to ride it aggressively to get it to go back out (maybe I shouldn't worry about that) but it gives you anxiety. So 45 miles is crap and a big tank will get you what 10 or 15 more? Anyone doing big 70 mile+ loops on these things?

Hi Morgan great work How are the air forks and are you going to upgrade cheers

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Pretty good. Just valving them for now

Hey there, 2023 tc250 tbi my crank pressure sensor failed at 1.3 hours first ride.... had to limp out of bush. Keep an eye out for it failing, maybe a fluke on my part. A45041075000 it's an all new sensor part number that looks the same. Do you know if the TPI sensors will work on the 23 TBI???

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know unfortunately. Thanks for the heads up

I would be interested to see 3 range tests. I know that's a fair bit of riding. map 1 and map 2, both at 40:1 like you've been running, then map 1 at 60:1. similar riding area for all 3. See if the mix ratio factors in or not. Do FI bikes typically get better MPG or worse at higher elevation? Less are = less gas but less power = working bike harder... so not sure.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Normally a bike will get better mileage at altitude because the mixture is leaned out to match the lack of oxygen.

Thanx for good testing. Unfortunately it does not drain all the gas out. Also sad that it could sputter, or cut out for a second or 2 while it still has gas in the tank. An extreme example is during the 1st racing day recently of the WSX, World Super Cross event in Britain when the fuel pump quit on Chad Reed's 2023 KTM 450 and left him with no power. This caused a big crash & broken bones. KTM just never gets things right. I converted my 2022 KTM 300 XC TpI to "2022.9". Lol. 100% premix (removed the oil injection pump & hose) and relocated a fuel injector from the stupid location of in the cylinder at a transfer port to between the throttle body & reed cage. The relocating of 1 or both injectors produces better throttle response, better power & ensures the motor's bottom end and top end get lubrication every second the motor is started & is running.

Would be curious to see how it works on flat pavement. Just the acceleration may be enough to splash fuel to the rear section.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Don’t think so. At least not when it gets down low.

Seems they have really nailed this setup way more then the tpi models

@MasterBlasterSr

Жыл бұрын

without the TPS experience and GET ECU input they would have been starting from scratch.

Thank you ! Have you posted the full mileage on each map videos yet?

@highlandcycles

6 ай бұрын

No. This is old. I need to do a new one with the new tune I have.

@joshawaburns1

6 ай бұрын

@highlandcycles I picked up a 2024 300xcw hard enduro and as a newb been wondering fuel mileage and wondering if I should do the tune or not. Been riding after 20+ year gap on a 350xcf and just got the new pumpkin. I'm loving it so far but when I ride the street from my house to the woods about 2 miles first and second just feel flat for lack of better description. What would be main difference for a rookie to notice after the top head and tune? Thanks for?all the content

New subscriber and love the content. Thanks! But I will say, this is a design flaw that I hope gets fixed next year.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know man. It seems to work

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

But I hear ya

Dawn Patrol, DAMN IM JEALOUS!!!

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

BOOM!!!

On a gas topic... what your thought on using 91 octane gas mixed with 60-1 motorex 2t? The manual calls for 95 octane but 93 is all we have in my area.

@mikeyfaulknor9970

Жыл бұрын

Buy a can of vp T4 and mix half that and 91 that’s what I run

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

91 will be fine.

@mikeh423

Жыл бұрын

The manual calls for European 95 MON rating which is equivalent to US spec of 91 R+M/2 method.

Had it run out today on my new 350xc gas light came on just a little lower then the video.. on smooth section road and brrrrr… out .. couldn’t get it to re Prime. Had to add fuel

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Crap

Thanks for making this vid man! So many say oh you cant run a two stroke out of gas it will blow up 😂😂😂😂 the dumbest thing Ive ever heard! And nice to know my bike will use up all the crap gas the dealer left in there 😂! Im gonna run 90+ non ethanol hope thats okay because I cant find what to run in my bike. New Sub here bro! 🙏🤝

@highlandcycles

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Your terrain is very dynamic, where I live its much flatter. So idk really. I'd have to see the tank myself, just going on the video I can't tell how iffy the design was or wasnt.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I think for flatter terrain it could be pretty iffy.

now im interessted how the tank works on different type of terrains (and onroad)

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I know from a buddy’s experience that they run out way earlier on a road

Surely the force/motion of the bike moving forward against the body of water will force the fuel to the back of the tank and into the "pump sump"? try moving a jug of water half full and you'll notice the fluid move towards the back of the container.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

It seems to work well. The only problem is if you are on smooth ground or going slowly

thanks, but why not trying to put the bike in the right side while out of gas to see if restart again?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I’m sure it would have.

Random question but what chain slack are you running on the 23/24s? I’ve heard the book is incorrect and KTM had a bulletin not long ago saying that it’s actually 68-70mm.

@highlandcycles

2 ай бұрын

I do it old school. By feel. Probably more than the book says.

@GOTDRAGONS

2 ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles if you have the time you should look into the whole chain slack thing. Because there are a lot of people arguing saying “but the book says 58mm” and then people saying the book is wrong and KTM put out a notice about it be 68-70mm instead. And then some people are saying their air boxes say 62. Could make for an interesting video. And this issue is apparently because they changed the angle of the engine by tilting it back

My Sharn I made up in the last video wasn't too far away lol.

Own 2 husky 510's one carby one efi.. about to have 2 carby jobs for simplicity and power.. husky tanks had similar layout pump in center fed by splosh in tank to feed when low on juice..

They also should have put a rubber fuel line crossing over from bottom to bottom and you just remove it to take the fuel tank off

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Agree

Morgan, why’d you choose the 300 over the 250?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I like 300’s

I see this as a big issue if you're low on fuel and have to ride a long transfer section on a road - any truth to that? I'm gonna need a bigger tank if I end up with one of these ... that motor's going to suck a lot more fuel with my 220lb ass + gear.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I agree

Not sure why you dog TPI's, I've got three of them, run perfect and have since day one, and my carb bike is sitting ever since I purchased the first TPI! Anyway, love your new bike and I will be getting a 300 TBI soon.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I’ve just seen more trouble than good with them. I have definitely seen good ones too. Just weirdly inconsistent

@mikeh423

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles virtually all TPI failures can be attributed to user errors. These bikes have a different fuel map when the coolant temp is low and run very rich. Idiots try to hold the throttle open and get the engine to rev clean like a carb engine and it destroys pistons. Just ride it about exactly one mile and you will feel the ECU switch maps and it leans out and runs great. Don’t go past about half throttle in warm up map.

@mikeh423

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles same for TBI bikes. DO NOT rev the piss out of the engine when cold. It isn’t a carbed engine. Even when. Engine is fully warmed up, don’t rev the piss out of the engine when it isn’t under a load. The ECU will pull fuel at high RPM if you are in neutral revving it. No matter how much you think the engine sounds loaded up, it isn’t, it just different. Just wait for it to warm up, then hammer down.

@mikeh423

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcyclesMixing oil in the fuel on TPI bike will cause lean conditions and piston/cylinder damage. fuel/oil ratio and fuel/air ratio are two completely different things and are not related. The ECU in these bikes runs a fixed map with no way to adjust fuel/air mixture because it doesn’t use an O2 sensor. Adding oil in the gas of a TPI bike makes the fuel/air mixture go lean because you replaced some of the fuel being injected into the cylinder with oil. The lean mixture results in high EGT and destroys the piston/cylinder even with the extra oil you just put in it. Many TPI bikes are ruined by mixing oil in the fuel.

@mikeh423

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles The crankcase pressure sensors on these bikes do fail sometimes. Some guys have several hundred hours with no CCPS failures, I had one at 8 hours. If the CCPS fails the bike still runs and will get you home, but it runs very rich like it reverts to the warm up mapping. Do not try and run the engine hard if you experience a CCPS failure. If you do you will damage a piston/ cylinder. Instead just ride it at low throttle/low RPM back to the truck and switch it out with a new one. They cost about $50 and are easy to replace.

So what was the final mileage?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Not sure. I started the test with the fuel light on. Will be doing a full to empty test soon

What ratio are u running??

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

40:1

18.5 miles on around two gallons!!! I'll keep my 4 stroker!

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

No 18.5 once the light came on.

@dankruger2890

Жыл бұрын

OK George

I understand your point of view about testing it as a race bike but the problem is that most of them sold will probably not be raced if past history repeats itself. The southwest is full of race bikes that were never raced and that area has always been a major market for dirt bikes.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I agree. But that would be why someone should buy the w or TE models

@jchavins

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles lol....what riders should buy and what they actually buy is two different things.....I've been watching this happen since the late 1960's....quite frankly out of the last 30 or 40 dirt bikes I have bought only one wasn't a motocross bike......most served as both race bikes and play bikes.......I hated to lay one on its side to get gas to the petcock....that's why crossover tubes were used and why someone should come up with a design to incorporate internal tubes to both sides of the tank or a new design for the tank...

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

@@jchavins IMS has a tank coming soon that addresses this

How far back to the truck?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

It was only a mile or so

How many miles did you get on the full tank?

@highlandcycles

10 ай бұрын

55 in slow stuff

@baldknobby

10 ай бұрын

@highlandcycles Thats about what I get woods riding. My 2020 300 XCW would go further on a tank. I might need to look at one of those Acerbis tanks...

what was the total miles on that tank of fuel?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t start full on this but I did another test and got 66.5 miles til it stopped in Rocky slower terrain.

@MasterBlasterSr

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles thanks man, you are putting out great content as a KTM beta tester heheheh

So how many miles per tank?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Stock tank between 40 and 55

Idk if it’s something to not be worried about. I still don’t see how it’s getting a proper amount of fuel to the engine to be safe once it’s low enough

@jamesoso259

Жыл бұрын

Under heavy load with it being super low seems like a recipe for a blown engine

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I hear ya. I feel the same kinda but man it seems to work.

@jamesoso259

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles I guess we just need more time on the books with these before we know for certain

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesoso259 yep.

Where are those trails at?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Montrose Colorado

@quintbetts7707

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles this must be Divine appointment, i have a friend who lives in Montrose.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

@@quintbetts7707 hell yeah

16 years in high rise commercial construction…I hear you…engineers.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

My opinion is the fuel pump's life get shortened dramatically, There has to be times when the bike is cutting out, Even if you don't notice it because you're at a high rev, Again is just my opinion, And I really don't believe a pro rider would select that bike over a different set up, At least a different tank set up. The uneasy feeling of running out would be a great distraction.

@highlandcycles

10 ай бұрын

They need to fix it

Engineers and the accountants not a great combination usually.

Well has any one came up with a fix for this poor engineering nightmare of a gas tank problem yet ?

@highlandcycles

Ай бұрын

Taco moto has. Will be available soon.

Great video… but, 18 miles to the tank? That’s not enough, that 30 kms, I’ve done 65 km on tpi bike today, with enough fuel for another 20-25 kms…

@icarlson

Жыл бұрын

He started with very little fuel, look back at the start of the video.

@kordapyo612

Жыл бұрын

That's after the light was on.

@cfkenduro1323

Жыл бұрын

@@kordapyo612 i have missed that, thanx

What are they thinking ? Want us right off the dead dino juice

How come there's ever any other bikes out there? 😆

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I’m up early.

haha damn it's fking moto-magic ;)

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

It’s incredible honestly. I think it’s because of that filter bag. It must be different from previous ones. It must operate like the holley fuel mat. Super cool

@KristofSX

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles yeah, good stuff :)

Still my opinion, I see no benefit of the tbi set up, If anything there would be less horse power, Simply because more oil is mixed with gas, TPI is more separated, Better Ignition, Add a fly wheel weight to that TPI and you will have A ridable trail bike. Exactly what you get with an EC250 or 300, Everyone is buying these mods to change Tbi To run exactly the same as A TPI. Again in my opinion obviously KT m's best year, It's 2022, Especially when you could have a kickstart. Have already broke my stupid button. I do add a part so I could push start it. I love my 2023 gas gas gas EC250, It's awesome, When it blows up, il rebuild it and say it's awesome. And it was about 4000 to 5000 cheaper.

@highlandcycles

10 ай бұрын

The TBI runs SOOOOO much better.

@donaldblank8873

10 ай бұрын

@@highlandcycles I think a 2025 or 2026 model will decide, Hopefully I'll be able to buy another new bike. I love few injection. I hate carburetors, I never liked stalling out going up hill Or messing with the jets. My bike is so sweet I honestly don't want a different one, Runs perfectly with the few modes I did, I trust it,

Just have to fill your tank more often. Problem solved. I would not ride so far that your taking it that close to running out of fuel or you could be stranded in dangerous heat

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

That’s not the problem. It’s when you go racing and you have to pit when your competitors don’t.

@zackk695

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles Which is why a $10,000 bike should have a gas gauge. Dumb ass people make a complex gas cap when gas caps falling off has never been an issue in 60 years of motocross

Get over it, buy a Beta race with a carb

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

If this breaks that’s next

I'm wondering if the old tank can be installed on this bike , may be better. From all the bikes in the world , I have never seen a manufacture build this type of tank.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

No it won’t fit. Frame is different

@goodboyringo9716

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles .... Oh figures , hopefully they'll change it next year.

@tomjoad4168

Жыл бұрын

I own a ‘22 and am about to buy a ‘23. I’ve done extensive research to see if ANY bling can be brought over to the new bike. The ONLY part I’ve found that will work is the replaceable rear brake pedal tip. ALL NEW BIKE! It’s the first year that all KTM big bikes, 4 stroke and 2 stroke use the same frame and bodywork.

@goodboyringo9716

Жыл бұрын

@@tomjoad4168 Thumbs up. The only things I don't like is .... Not kick start provision , new tank/ pump , and power valve set up.

@mikegro8502

Жыл бұрын

I think sherco also has this kind of tank design for some years now

That is crazy to build a bike that can't use all the fuel without cutting out. There will be a time when gas will not spill into the center part of the tank, no matter what you do . Thanks you this video because without it guys would think their bike is screwing up. KTM gave us two tanks of gas we could carry around, ggg

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

I think the key is the filter bag. It’s different from before and I think it holds fuel in a way that the pump can use it. So any fuel that hits it is absorbed. Like an old holley fuel mat

@goodboyringo9716

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles ...You did a great video concerning the tank & pump. But I still think the tank and pump should suck from the very bottom.

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

@@goodboyringo9716 I agree. I’m just surprised that it got almost all the gas

@goodboyringo9716

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles ...Me also.

Morgan, what vest are you wearing?

@highlandcycles

Жыл бұрын

Wlf Enduro pack vest

@jgrady7779

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandcycles Thank you!