0-60 (or 100kph) is the MOST OVERRATED driving stat. Every GR86, BRZ, Miata, base Boxster/Cayman are far, far, far better driving cars than “faster” alternatives.

@palebeachbum

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The feeling of your connection to a car and the car's connection to the road is way more important than the 0-60 time. That's why the saying "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow" holds true.

@jamesglosangeles

Жыл бұрын

Depends on where you live. If all you have are straight roads, the freeway/highway on ramps are the best places for a quick thrill without going to a track.

@palebeachbum

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesglosangeles there's more fun to be had in a car than straight line acceleration. Something that feels connected to the road and handles well is more gratifying in day to day driving.

@jamesglosangeles

Жыл бұрын

I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that if 99% of your driving consists of going straight, taking 90° left or right turns at intersections, and long drawn out banks on a highway/freeway, great handling doesn't amount to much. You need fun roads to appreciate great handling and not everyone has those.

@aluisious

Жыл бұрын

You say that, but I bet you’ve never driven a cts v.

After owning many sports car I’ve come to a conclusion that light weight > hp 0-60 gets boring after several months.

@FATmenDRIVEtrucks

Жыл бұрын

Preach gravity is a real thing most people have forgotten in favor of comfort. Trucks ruin all roads

I’ll take the small agile sports car thanks. I can live with the compromises.

@Willtellthetruth

Жыл бұрын

No one’s asking what you would buy. If you want to give opinions, start your own channel.

@SevenSieteSeven

Жыл бұрын

@@Willtellthetruth But it is the comment section..

@richardhoulton4016

Жыл бұрын

@@Willtellthetruth Duh…it’s the comments section. I don’t agree with him so I’m commenting

@futurefunk88eddins96

Жыл бұрын

@@Willtellthetruth I like the way you think bro lol

@10xtenx10xtenx10xten

Жыл бұрын

@@Willtellthetruth 21:25 Alex asked.

Ive had my gr86 for almost 3 months. I love it, there is no way I'd take an automatic ecoboost mustang over my gr86.

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

Right they’re completely different cars.

@jordano3088

Жыл бұрын

Do you find the cabin noise to be way to loud ? Considering this as a daily driver.

@owenhilton2045

Жыл бұрын

@@jordano3088 it’s a little noisy, but it doesn’t bother me. I can still hear my music, listen to a podcast or talk to someone perfectly fine when driving even at highway speeds

@billyjones1873

Жыл бұрын

Yo how much was the 86 in total? And where are you from? Trying to get one myself but some markups are insane here in cali.

@owenhilton2045

Жыл бұрын

@@billyjones1873 I got the car for MSRP at $27,900. I bought it in Pennsylvania

I tried ordering a new BRZ, and when my order was canceled by Subaru I ended up with a 6speed ecoboost mustang. I couldn’t be happier! It’s not as fun as an 86, but for daily use it’s so much easier to live with.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

Eco boost is better anyway

@billyjones1873

Жыл бұрын

How much was this after markup and tax?

This is a great second car, while simultaneously being decent as someone's only car.

I'm going with the BRZ. Interestingly, the Subaru has different front and rear anti-roll bars and mounts the rear bar differently than Toyota. As a result, the Subaru has a more compliant ride and the Toyota is easier to drift. Different strokes, but I put an order down for the Subaru. Now if only they would start up production again...

@shadowninja569

Жыл бұрын

Funny because it was reverse for the previous gen, Toyota still was easier to drift.

@davidmoore349

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, i found that rear roll bar difference to be interesting! Its really quite a change from one car to the other.

@patricklinkous

Жыл бұрын

@@davidmoore349 Having never driven the 1st gen cars or the GR86, the new BRZ I drove felt like a fine ride to me. Granted, my previous sports cars were an NB Miata and a 986 Boxster, two cars not known for their luxurious ride comfort. If I were used to cushy, powerful cars I'm sure I'd have a different opinion.

@bobbyDD

Жыл бұрын

I was told by my toyota dealer that production for the 23’ model has already started. I ordered an 86 about a month ago and was told i’d get word back on my order in 3 months (around late december early-mid january)

@patricklinkous

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyDD Yeah I think they're producing 2023 GR86s now. There probably won't be anymore 2023 BRZs. The problem is they share the assembly line with the Crosstrek. Subaru is contracted to produce a certain amount of GR86s for Toyota and then must choose between glory or profit for their share.

Mustang is a great grand tourer, but if a sports car is what you're looking for, this or the MX5 are the cars to get.

@dnegel9546

Жыл бұрын

id probably get a base camaro 2.0 and do weight reduction or just get a 1LE 2.0 camaro and drive it as is.

@30hours51

Жыл бұрын

@@dnegel9546 1000lb weight reduction…to get to the 86 level.

@dnegel9546

Жыл бұрын

@@30hours51 572lb actually.

This is a very fair and accurate review. I'm at one year with my BRZ, and some of the things you identify gave me some buyer's remorse. I've autocrossed in both the Mustang and the BRZ and the nimbleness of the BRZ keeps me in the fold. The $29,000 out the door price was a factor, last year and would likely be more so now. The SI's are marked up locally and would be over $30k.

My first car was spiritually similar to this car (sport biased coupe, similar power output and acceleration, very fun but a bit rough over bumps) and for teenage me, it was absolutely the perfect car for me. Now that I’m nearly 40 and commute a lot of miles every day on the freeway, this wouldn’t be a daily driver for me. I’d totally take one for a weekend toy, but not as a daily driver. Noise, ride quality and fuel economy are more important for a daily driver now, and for a weekend toy, this is too expensive for me. I’d rather buy something used a cheap, then spend the extra money wrenching on it and upgrading it myself. While I understand that the automatic transmission is a concession to the alarmingly large proportion of people who don’t know how to drive a manual transmission, this is the type of car that really should be manual only. The automatic transmission is so completely in opposition to the purpose of this car. It’s meant for driving engagement and fun. Nothing about an automatic transmission is fun or engaging.

The Mustang is not a rival for the BRZ / GR 86....different type of cars. For me either the GR86 / BRZ hit the sweet spot for a performance car: Not expensive Enough Power to have fun Good equipment Great Design light weight Manual RWD You cannot got wrong with this car.

Never ever ever would I get a 2.3 mustang over a GR86

Love my 2022 BRZ, it’s all about engagement and Fun, and Manual only!!!

The ability to get the GR86 in a manual is the easy game changer for me, if comparing it to the mustang. I would not buy the GR86 in the auto transmission....but I would easily pick the manual GR86 over a host of other cars in its price range and several that are more expensive.

People, if you are doubting yourselves whether a GR86 or a Brz is the right fit for you, don't get one. Pull out your deposit or don't put one in the first place. There are tens of thousands of people who are 100% certain about a GR86 or Brz who are not being able to get one in the present day market.

@pushslice

Жыл бұрын

This!! Please let us sportscar enthusiasts have the GR/BRZ to ourselves!

@zai_777

Жыл бұрын

Nah, cars aren’t limited only to “enthusiast”. If I wanna get a car and see if it’ll work for me long term I will get it and test it out, if it doesn’t work then that’s unfortunate but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t even try it out. If you want one so bad you should do the due diligence and make sure you are one of the first people to reserve one for yourself. Don’t tell others to not do it at all, everyone has the right to make their choice and go through that experience to find out if it works for them or not.

@Chandroth

Жыл бұрын

​@@zai_777 I'll tell whatever I want. You may choose to accept or ignore.

I've had my FRS for 8 years now, 110k on it. I'm 6ft2, and I stuff the car with photo equipment like lightstands and all that quite often. I had a 2.5L Mazda 3 manual hatch before, and this is BARELY a compromise to me. Granted I have also dailied Miatas in the past so... I'm a glutton for punishment I guess. That spot for the spare in the back is funny. I know a LOT of the 1st gen parts fit on the 2nd gen, I bet that stamping is exactly the same as mine.

@dvybby

Жыл бұрын

also drove a BRZ, for 5 years. There’s honestly a surprising amount if trunk space, especially with the back seats down.

@Sharp_1

Жыл бұрын

You said your 6ft2, how well do you fit? I am around 6ft2 and around 250 pounds.

I would get this over a Mustang with the V8 so yea the 4 pooper stands no chance. Mustang combines the worst aspects of a sports coupe (impracticality, lack of refinement) with a luxury car (huge size and curb weight). Every time I drive one I like it less. Meanwhile the previous 86 is one of the best cars I've ever driven, including 911s and Ferraris. So this one is a no brainer.

Dude, you picked the best place to stand at the conclusion (up into the 20:00 range). I'm just about due to get something like this, and thanks for the insight.

I respect your opinion and honesty. I can definitely see a case for the Mustang Ecoboost over this. I really did not care for the Mustang (especially the 2.3T engine) but it is more of a relaxing car if you aren’t all about handling, dynamics, and fun. The 2.3T Mustang is faster. I don’t know if it actually is more roomy inside compared to the GR86. I would go GR86 personally because I love its oversteer nature and fun driving. I also don’t care as much about 0 to 60 times as the only priority in a sports car. I am very concerned over all the RTV sealant issues with the GR86/BRZ engine especially if you track the car which I will. I am waiting for them to come up with a fix for this, hopefully use an actual gasket and not RTV, before I buy one. Great car though

Great review as always. I ended up getting the other of the twins, love it. I also have Kia stinger and planning to get pilot in few years.

Thanks for mentioning the mustang as it's compton! As for me I picked the mustang as it's just more car for the money espaly with the $9K discount I got. But you did make a good argument for the BRZ.

The less expensive, base model of the GR86 makes more sense to me, than the one shown. I own a 2015 Scion FRS. (man trans). Best vehicle I've ever owned and I've owned over 60 vehicles in my lifetime. This car simply fits like a glove. Zero issues in 71,000 miles, as it's Made in Japan. (You ain't gonna find this level of quality control in a Mustang.) 5 times, round trip, Ca to NY and I find it very comfortable as a road trip car. Very stable at it's top speed as well. Also great in a strong wind. The ride quality varies considerably depending on what Brand, model, and size of tires are used on this vehicle. Just one size larger (225 vs 215) can cause a firmer ride. Softer sidewalls as in the Pilot Sport 3+ can ruin the sharp steering feel. Recently I watched a CR review of the new ones, and they state they don't have as great a feel in steering. So, do I wanna trade for a new one with a little more power ? Maybe ? My Maverick with HiBirds is quieter on the road, but it's simply an appliance, so who cares about noise levels. I'll choose the sports car first.

@ruturaj47

Жыл бұрын

Why base? I own 2nd BRZ and just love it but it's not the road trip car for me. I would drive my other car, stinger, most of the time.

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

Bad take on the reliability. The mk1 had PLENTY of issues so does the mk2 currently

@meathead585

Жыл бұрын

@@ruturaj47 I prefer most any vehicle with the minimalist options. I prefer manual controls if they are available. No frills. And I live where I don't need heated things like steering wheel and seats, on the interior of a vehicle. Yes on cruise control, power o/s mirrors, and a/c. Can live easily without much else.

@meathead585

Жыл бұрын

@@squadmaster114 Very early models of FRS and BRZ , and only a few, had issues with engines, fuel injectors, leaking tailamps, and squeaks and rattles. By the 2014 models, most things were cured. My 2015 has had zero issues so far .

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

@@meathead585 what do you think about the mk2 tho?

I like the format prioritizing what people are here for.

My thoughts are that everyone and their mother has a mustang, and most mustang drivers will look down on you if it's not the V8. So why bother, this looks really good and on the track this car beats out a lot of others and the after market is going to crazy

Generally negative vibe to this review; just one example is the trunk. Because it has a pass through, it’s much more usable and spacious than any other roadster I’ve tried.

@mahasidha9

Жыл бұрын

He was waaaay more positive in his review of the 2022 BRZ Limited even said he can easily wear a helmet and he is six feet tall something he could not do in the Lexus 500; pointed out the differences in suspension too; weird; I have owned many Camaro SS cars and unbelievably my wife and I are enjoying our 2022 BRZ Limited with automatic more; both hold the road like slot cars.

Light weight ✅️ Manual transmission ✅️ Affordable ✅️ RWD✅️ Fun Factor on a Budget✅️✅️ Only other cars in this range would be a civic Si or elantra N Or the outgoing Veloster. But All FWD. So you're pretty limited to either GR86/BRZ or the Miata in this price range.

If you want a new RWD manual transmission car for 31K that has a back seat which can fold down for decent cargo space, what else is there?

@romachoz

Жыл бұрын

230i

I think it’s a perfect secondary vehicle. I definitely wouldn’t recommend a young person to buy it over something like a Civic Si. This is for the people that want a Porsche and could never bring themselves to buy a Porsche.

Alex, How dare they send you the automatic!! Outrageous !!!

I was really tempted to get this and test drove the automatic. My concerns are: 1. It takes premium fuel, mpg is bad for a small car. 2. It’s loud inside. 3. It has small dimensions 4. It’s relatively slow I’m leaning toward BMW 230i coupe. It’s only a few grand more and no mark up. ZF transmission is something else.

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

I feel like a dual clutch in the 86 would make a huge difference

@aluisious

Жыл бұрын

230i is a fun car and more practical, and god forbid when you say a bmw is more reliable than something, but these boxer engines are trash.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

@@aluisious this man knows

@shinn43

Жыл бұрын

Exactly the reason why i sold my gr86. MPG is absolutely horrible for these cars even if your daily commuting without pushing the car. I understand it's a "sports" car but man is it so loud inside especially at highway speed.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

@@shinn43 at 70 these things sound like they are hitting the atmosphere

Toyota made this car more track ready. According to every review and test drives I have taken, the changes to the front and rear anti-roll bars and the change in the mounting of the rear bar makes the Subaru handle not quite as well but ride quite a bit better. While Subaru went for living with the car, Toyota went for the maximum fun on the road but less livability. If I were to buy one of these cars to address Alex's concerns, I would get the BRZ instead. My coworker bought this car (the Toyota) but he does go to the track a lot with upgraded brakes, and he does really well with the otherwise standard car.

great video and great scenery to review here

Auto Buyers Guide - Alex has a detailed video on this car but left out info about Toyota's D-4S injection system.He didn't mention it is both direct port and port injection. Also this engine's torque is found in lower RPM's and not higher like the previous FA20 engine .

Only the Toyota and Subaru mavens know the Who and Why of GR86/BRZ owners but here is my 2 cents…. 1. Young motor sports enthusiast’s primary car .. maybe single or married with no kids. Occasional tracking. 2. A second ‘fun’ car for people who want that driving purity - stick shift, light weight, RWD. Kids are probably out of the house. And don’t want to spend Porsche money. I fit in the second category and did not want something as heavy as a Mustang or Camaro or even the new BMWs which are approaching 3800 lbs. Just to note - BRZ manual is a little softer and more comfortable - hope you can test that.

Could only watch 60 secs of this. Miata as a daily? Mustang? What is your point? Miata has no room for anything. My 2018 brz and 2022 gr86 have tons of room. Also why all the crap about 0-60, 0-100?? DON’T CARE. What was the 0-60 in a 240z…forever. But was it fun to drive, hell yes. Is a cow of a mustang??? No. Apples to apples please. If I want fast, I’ll jump in the gt3. If I want daily fun to drive, great gas mileage a one of the top car builders toy/sub in the world, 86 or brz all day.

I love mine, I currently own 3 (yes all running lol). One is for sale, I have one on order and I will have a 4th. Why 4? #1). Gen 1 that is converted into a GT, turbo power (340whp) leather, powerful well tuned stereo, leather wrap, nice cosmetic upgrades, lots of sound deadening, improved ride with coil overs with electronic dampers, upgraded brakes, switched the rear differential to a Lexus LS300 3.73 LSD rear (drops those RPMs at higher cruising speeds a bit) and more (definitely more money the brains club) , #2). Gen 1 is going to an LS3 swap trailer queen over the top show car #3). Gen 2 will be a stock weekend racer and #4). Gen 2 will be a lifted rally build. I LOVE THIS PLATFORM!!! EASY TO WORK ON! (puts a Jeep to shame with how easy it is modify. EASY TO MODIFY (It was designed with modifications in mind and you can really tell with how easy it is to take apart and assemble) THOUSANDS OF AFTERMARKET PARTS TO CHOOSE FROM! (I can think of over 2 dozen tail lights right now) The community of owners is very nice and supportive. Others are not lol much less troll ratio here then other vehicles. My advise, just do it! Worst case you sell it, they have good resale value if you sell them privately.

Waiting to see what happens now that Toyota is testing the 3cyl turbo from the GR Yaris/Corolla in a GR86. I don't deal with boxers.

I get it (I wouldn't buy it as a primary commuter vehicle) - but would you buy it as a weekend fun car? Maybe?

I actually ordered a BRZ when it was first announced, but gave it up for a Z4 instead. Can't really say I regret that decision, to be honest. I think I have been spoilt by all the luxuries that come in the BMW, and the BRZ looks positively primitive. I do own another Subaru, and sometimes the infotainment system is so unresponsive that it drives me mad. That alone I think is a dealbreaker for the 86/BRZ since they share the same system.

@dvybby

Жыл бұрын

Z4?? damn what year? 😂 that’s a whole different price range compared to a BRZ if we talking new.

@Guderian0617

Жыл бұрын

@@dvybby It’s the 2022 model, but where I am (in China) they won’t see you the BRZ without the “optional” package so the price works out to be similar price

GR 86 reliability, it will hold it values for years to come than a mustang

I am having the same struggle! I am between that and the new stangs!

@bmanz8117

Жыл бұрын

Sold my 2015 2.3 Turbo. Really like it, however I wanted a change and like the looks if the GR 86. I wasn't happy with expensive repairs on my AC Mustang. The GR 86 will let you down 0 to 60 time, where the Mustang will put a smile on your face. The GR 86 handles really good, better than a stock Mustang.

For buyer like me, acceptable compromise would be B+/B+ Ride/Handling for this segment. This GR86 seems just as noisy, and roomier than the 124 Spider Lusso, and I have my heart set on Spider.

as a previous Mark VIII owner, I lean towards daily comfort and "touring" than the nimbleness of this, but I can still appreciate it. Tough choice!

I'd like to see a comparison with the Mustang 2.3L performance package.

As someone who has had a mx5 and now a gr86, saying that the mx5 is a better daily then the GR86 is crazy

If you're a Car enthusiasts you'll pick it regardless, but only on your preferences on the chassis for drifting and car modifications.

I got a brz because it's not very common to see on the streets. Boy it was a pain even trying to buy a gr86 or brz at msrp or in stock. Too many camaros and mustangs and dodges in my area. People who said it would be fun to drive were sooo right.

I vote for Chevrolet Camaro for the money. What did you find in Ford Mustang just legend badge but it is not enough these days! Even 2022 Subaru WRX is much better sporty choice.

Sure, you can get a bigger car (Mustang) for the same money. You could also get an SUV, or a minivan. If that's what you want, you're not the target market for a BRZ or GR86. Small cars are for people who don't want larger cars.

Help me choose wat doesnt get me looked down as that is the most important factor in life!

Just got gr86 love it in my eyes best car ever brought had plenty of cars

Alex, On the tittle you have it as 2022 Toyota GR86. But this is 2023 correct?

Nah man I want a lightweight car that I can slide around for fun without killing myself in. Getting a turbo mustang or something that is more ponderous and heavy is gonna take away all the handling just for some speed that I don't even care abt.

i want to get this car for my first car. Although I don’t know how to drive a manual. I want to learn but do you think this car would be a good beginner manual car to learn on ?

only two in this class is a Miata and a G86/BRZ. G86/BRZ will be the practical version of "Miata" and better suited for one vehicle year around commuting on a budget but still entertaining to drive.

What would you choose GR86 or the Hyundai Veloster N? Which is more fun?

@nickhardy2952

Жыл бұрын

GR86/BRZ, is RWD that makes it an instant winner for me, you can drift and it handles better than an N

The Old Honda 2000 is a better car

The horrid cabin noise would kill it for me.

Mustang too

The back seat is great for a contortionist.

Im trying to buy one and im 6'5" would i fit comfortably

Car & Driver got 5.4 seconds from it, making it a 10 Best car last year

The silicone in the oil pan is a massive negative with this car I had the TRD for two years and I loved it 3rd best I have owned after my mustang GT and honda type R but I would not buy the GR86 because some people have already had a new engine in there's due to the silicone problem go back to proper gaskets and I would buy one

@nickhardy2952

Жыл бұрын

Yes, 5 people in the thousands of cars sold. Really stressing over that one.

I can't decide between this and a GR Corolla 😔 I want both

@davidmoore349

Жыл бұрын

The main problem will be that MSRP difference might be what, 6k? But I best the sticker price difference will be like 30k.

@aluisious

Жыл бұрын

You’ll never find a gr Corolla for sale so don’t worry about it.

"No manual unfortunately, but it blah blah"... Bro.... You lost it right there....

Should have put a removable Targa top. Then it would have the best of everything.

@peterbogdan9249

10 ай бұрын

Targa on the mx-5 looks like an after market mistake

This or a new Mustang? Has to be the base 'Stang however because of the price tag. I think I'd go Ford...

@Mgoblagulkablong

Жыл бұрын

This is the worst take I ever heard from you. They are not comparable at all, completely different type of vehicle. That's like asking "Mercedes CLA base version or Dodge Challenger V8" just bc they both have 4 doors and a similar price tag...

@Lazuriteplays

Жыл бұрын

Miata, always Miata.

@yay842

Жыл бұрын

Yikes. You don't usually have horrible takes but wow almost makes me want to unsub

@99-Zulu

Жыл бұрын

Honestly the Camaro 2.0t would probably be a better comparison than the Mustang. It handles better and its lighter than the Mustang 2.3t. The 2.0t Camaro is a very tossable car for its size. It is heavier than the GR86. The GR86 does come with more tech but the Camaro 2.0t will be a better track car as well.

@bennyang8049

Жыл бұрын

I would go for the 2022 Subaru WRX base manual. I rented one and i got 26 mpg for 20% city 80% highway. MSRP $31,800

This boxer engine is screaming for a supercharger.

@phillm156

Жыл бұрын

The design and packaging of the inlets makes it a natural fit.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

Lol it would die. That's what my neighbor did and guess what happened

Would also suggest the GR Corolla - which was not mentioned - as an in-showroom (theoretically) competitor to this...

@seabrookmx

Жыл бұрын

Way more expensive

@joec1774

Жыл бұрын

@@seabrookmx 3300 at sticker vs this

I like the automatic transmission

I’d own this in manual over my 22 wrx if I didn’t have 2 kids. Just not practical obviously.

Thanks for the review. Still curious if this car is capable of crusing at 80mph on the highway, I know the last gen stayed around 3-4k’s that high up. Not sure if overtime that would damage the engine.

@alexanderdeburdegala4609

Жыл бұрын

I know dozens of people that have 125-150k with the first gen that drive quickly often, some of those have been boosted at least 90k of those miles. The engine is rock solid (as long as you don't go hog wild on your modifications)

@xenonsaccord4447

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderdeburdegala4609 Nice to know, cheers. Maybe a full exhaust & call it a day. Would love to make one of these my everyday vehicle.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

It shakes like its hitting the atmosphere

@xenonsaccord4447

Жыл бұрын

@@sgtmuffinbadger6147 😂 Yeah… perhaps not the best idea for a road trip machine eh

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

@@xenonsaccord4447 I had a better experience in the 350 and 360 honestly

None of these are available at MSRP. 👎

It’s hilarious to me when I hear guys on reviews like this talk about the price of the GR86. 33k for this car is very reasonable but not the reality. 33k is what you might pay if you are lucky for a base USED GR86 certainly not this premium one in this review. That’s gonna cost about 40k or over in the real world which is complete lunacy.

@tvtime2644

Жыл бұрын

I paid just under $32k for my '22 Limited BRZ which was MSRP plus the few options I picked. You can definitely get these cars for MSRP if you look around and aren't willing to tolerate markups.

@believethehype1045

Жыл бұрын

@@tvtime2644 you’re the exception rather than the norm. I promise you I have looked at dealerships all around Texas (I live in Houston) and no one is willing to sell one at msrp. Even used they are all well over new msrp. It’s ridiculous and I will not cave. I may end up just going mx5

@mahasidha9

Жыл бұрын

Not true; I purchased a 2022 BRZ Limited with Automatic not off the lot but built/optioned out and ordered the way I wanted and got $1,750 off at the height of Covid when every dealer of every brand was gouging customers because they had no inventory so $6,000 OVER sticker; every car everywhere double stickers!

@nickhardy2952

Жыл бұрын

Got my 2023 Limited BRZ for 29K OTD.

I gonna choose the mustang over this car.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

Don't tell the ricer initial D fan boys that. They come in swarms

A WRX motor away from greatness. Give the people what they want Subaru!

2:04 Hey Alex doesn’t GR86 produces FAKE engine sound ?

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

Yes lol ricer stuff

@severojr29

Жыл бұрын

@@sgtmuffinbadger6147 You can turn it off though.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

@@severojr29 rice as hell

@tvtime2644

Жыл бұрын

@@sgtmuffinbadger6147 At least it'll still be working and worth something in six years.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

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@@tvtime2644 can't hear you over the k24 swap pumping out 320hp cooking them ricer boys

Yeah but buying a base model Mustang would make you feel inferior to the V8s. At least there is no higher grade GR86/BRZ.

350 with overhaul and tune has entered the chat. That's nice . How is that wallet Toyota fans

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

Sorry I don’t speak broke, how’s that repair bill lmao

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

@@squadmaster114 to stay wealthy you have to spend wisely. Not only that the gr86 almost takes ten seconds to get up to speed. The old 350 will be gone by then

I ask you how does a consumer trust a reviewer…when a new model comes out only then does the reviewer provide the real disadvantages of the previous model. Case in point the power dip of the previous model’s engine.

@johnlongnecker8776

Жыл бұрын

The torque dip of the old model was mentioned in pretty much every review

Can't get a mustang with a manual. END OF STORY.

Toyota built this s]to be a drivers car not a fast straight line car

Ecoboost mustang absolutely blows in comparison to this.

I wouldn't even consider the Mustang. Ford garbage quality + dead steering = crappy car. If you live somewhere flat like Texas with no fun roads, the Stang makes a case for itself. Somewhere like SoCal with thousands of miles of fun, curvy mountain roads, the smaller, lighter car is just going to be better.

I’m really surprised you didn’t mention the fact that folding rear seats are designed to accommodate an extra set of wheels/tires for track days. It’s a hugely important feature considering the mission of this vehicle. Also, as much as you enjoyed the automatic (thank heavens it’s not a CVT), I’m sure you would’ve had exponentially more fun in a manual version, particularly since manuals are so rare. With all of the electrification in the auto industry, we really can’t take for granted a manual transmission, normally aspirated combustion engine. It will soon be somewhat of a unicorn. I just think it’s worth mentioning ad observing a little extra appreciation. Cool video though, Alex.

"Before you graduate to a Mustang GT" 🤦‍♂ The Mustang GT is closer to a a sports car than many previous Mustangs, but it's still very different to a GR86. It's like a cross between a sports car and a muscle car. The GR86 is a sports car.

I can’t bring myself to shell out $30k+ for a garbage engine that breaks during auto cross and Toyota tries to avoid warranty replacement.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

This man knows

@bearclaw5115

Жыл бұрын

The dealer tried to avoid repairing the engine in the case I believe you are referring to. Toyota stepped in and said fix it!

I just really hate the Mustangs. They are so big

MX5 over the twins…

@bearclaw5115

Жыл бұрын

The Miata is great! The 86/BRZ have much better handling precision and are more predictable to throw the rear end around. Also better comfort for tall drivers and tons more practicality. Still, dropping the top is pretty great too!

The GR86 should be your weekend/2nd car Only someone well under 30 would use this as a daily

@gs98999

Жыл бұрын

I’m in my early 40s and I have a 2022 brz as my daily. I also live in an area where it snow a lot. Does great with good winter tires.

@joec1774

Жыл бұрын

@@gs98999 Winter tires make all the difference, which ones are you running @SFRJ?

@gs98999

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@@joec1774 Continental VikingContact 7

@joec1774

Жыл бұрын

@@gs98999 That's actually what our Corolla hatch wears for MI winters as well :)

@gs98999

Жыл бұрын

@@joec1774 they are excellent tires!

Quicker acceleration ? Buy a Tesla and you're done. I did lol

@hanko5750

Жыл бұрын

My extension cord isn't long enough. LoL!!

Weird review and ultimately misses the point. Might as well complain it's not a mini van and compare it to a Sienna. Driving enthusiasts care about lightweight manual rwd fun that can carve up a mountain. Alex is thinking about heavy auto dragsters.

stop comparing this to a mustang. that's for people who only go on a straight line and want attention. dumb comparison

@bigmacdaddy1234

Жыл бұрын

Oh and you think this is a Boxster. Um, no.

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

@@bigmacdaddy1234 it is a boxer engine tho

@bigmacdaddy1234

Жыл бұрын

@@squadmaster114 Porsche Boxster. Big difference.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like crying lol. Project that rice mentality

there is almost no weakness to the GR86. Except the engine, which is just a piece of crap. The only thing GR 86 can evolve into is the GR86 Corolla. It shall have a lift back, usable rear seats, the engine from the GR corolla.

No to the Mustang. Just no, in comparison to looks, handling and overall appeal.

If fast is what you want, buy something else. If you want balanced and great handling, a roof over your head, and backing by Toyota, this is what you want. A Miata is going to suck in the rain. The Dynamics and steering is what this car was and is about. It is a toy and assumptive you have a daily driver for real. Up the brake pads, go to more aggressive rubber and have fun already and screw the Pony cars and more expensive iron. This and the Miata are about just having fun, and bankrupt you.

@sethgunn8256

Жыл бұрын

Why does a miata suck in the rain?

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

Maybe of they fix the crap transmission on these things. The hang is long enough to write a few notes about

The 1st Gen BRZ/86 was "misunderstood" largely by straight line enthusiasts....2nd Gen cars most buyers understand its purpose....unlike you. This review gets a "C"

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

LS swap

It's just too slow. Can't call it a sports car when it has almost the same 0-60 as a Cadillac Escalade. I would take the Mustang every single time. It's great as a commuter car for someone without kids, that's about it.

@Rocket9944

Жыл бұрын

I think my Titan could beat it.

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

But a Miata is when a near 6 second 0-60?

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

“Great as a commuter car” it’s literally one of the best handling cars you can buy. I like the mustang but on a tight circuit a similarly priced eco boost will be left in the dust

@AceEverett

Жыл бұрын

@@squadmaster114 Maybe on a go cart track where faster cars can't use their speed. You gotta be realistic, the base model mustang isn't that slow.

@AceEverett

Жыл бұрын

And yes, 6 second 0-60 hasn't been fast for quite a while now. My diesel work truck, completely stock, can 0-60 in under 7 seconds.

Literally Golf gti makes similar power and nobody calls that slow

@sethgunn8256

Жыл бұрын

A golf gti makes substantially more “power”.

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

@@sethgunn8256 50 hp is not substantial

@squadmaster114

Жыл бұрын

@@sethgunn8256 and they have similar power to weight ratios

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

Golf looks better

This car is absolute garbage for the price, reliability and performance. Stupid kids buy for the "86" tag from Initial-D. So look else where.

@sgtmuffinbadger6147

Жыл бұрын

All the ricers in my area have these with fart cannon exhaust and stickers everywhere