Absolutely amazing video. Please do more as you work on more Lightnings.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

@bowefamilyEV

Жыл бұрын

So as ironic luck would have it, I literally just got this exact same code and my Lightning entered into the limp mode. I was able to clear the code using a OBD app which oddly restored power and allowed me to drive it to the dealer. They found module 4 to be bad. Any thoughts on if these are just a random couple examples of failure or a real concern that all the packs eventually will be vulnerable to this? Did Ford offer any insight in to what causes this?

Interesting! In a decade, hopefully this more modular for the swap and significantly cheaper. I am in the third month of owning a lighting.

@USNEM

Жыл бұрын

It's cool that you can replace modules. You can't do this in a Tesla anymore. Tesla's are totaled and the entire car needs replacing.

@matthewprather7386

Жыл бұрын

@@USNEM, could you say more?

@wolfgangpreier9160

6 ай бұрын

@@USNEM Yes, thats true. Teslas only work above 20 degrees, are not allowed in garages and on ships because they burn all the time and they are totalled after 10.000 km or 1 year because their batteries crap out. Always!

Great video. Looks identical to the one I just had to change last week. Like the one featured in the video, mine too was a dual motor extended range battery. About the only thing different than what was illustrated in the video, was the module I had to replace. I had to replace module #6 which is the last of the top three, so thankfully I didn't need to remove the top three modules as well as the BECM to the one you had to in your video. From my experience, I found those cold plates to be extremely flimsy. When lifting the module off, I was getting hung up on the studs. Also, when applying the TIM, I realized the template provided didn't align properly to the bolt holes on the end, so I had to tape the template into the plate, apply the TIM, scrape off the excess very carefully as instructed by the workshop manual, and then lift the template off carefully before being able to install it onto the pack, and then in turn, lower the replacement module carefully on the of the cold plate without smearing the TIM as it is lowered. A very tedious task it was. My biggest pet peeve of the job was the time taken to balance the replacement module. I had to leave mine on the balancer overnight before the process would complete. So in the meantime, I have one of my bays tied up with the HV battery removed, and the top cover removed, waiting. The other bother for me, was waiting for the coolant bleed procedure to complete with FDRS. It took about two hours for that process to complete, so I had to have a charger connected to the LV battery, as well as the laptop charger connected during this (so that the laptop battery wouldn't die mid process!!!). So for me, raising and lowering of the HV battery itself wasn't the difficult part. But the rest of it....

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

As well as complaining on KZread, submit a Labor Time Review Request to Ford!

@michaelchan8915

Жыл бұрын

@@RedneckCam666 it would likely fall onto deaf ears as you know. I was informed by Hotline that the balancing process would be very time consuming, no getting around that. As far as how long it would take would depend on numerous variables, including but not limited to the level of charge the replacement module arrives at. As far as complaining goes, I only wish the required information on the original module to be replaced, could have been obtained without having to drop and disassemble the HV battery so as to increase efficiency in future repairs going forward.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelchan8915 Not doing something about it makes it ... YOU are the problem If everyone steps up...= Change

@andrewashmore8000

5 ай бұрын

Thats interesting , info , its important when designing products that repairability is considered , seems like a messy long drawn out process to replace a module. Imagine it should take about 3 hrs total to do for the first time , and about 1.5 hrs once your dialled in. But at least the battery is broken down into modules unlike the Tesla where the whole thing is one big glued up mass.

Very interesting to see battery replacement and other types of battery pack maintenance! Thanks for this video!

@RedneckCam666

8 ай бұрын

Thanks, Subscribe

Thanks for the video, well done. Looking forward to my Lightning sometime this year. A repairable expensive battery will always be better than a one-piece mass of thermal paste. Lots of new battery chemistry coming and perhaps these repairable units can be upgraded.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Great point!

Mine went through this back in January. Took about 9 days to get fixed. Has been fine ever since.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Glad for you, early production stuff always have bugs

@erikwilson9498

Жыл бұрын

I would love to know your experiences so far. I have heard of many problems and recalls and I wasn't lucky enough to get in to the first 200k to order. Supposedly only 18k have been made in total so what is your experience? Now almost 20k more!! Is it worth it? Thanks

@derrickmartin9717

Жыл бұрын

@@erikwilson9498 This issue was the only issue I've had. Amazing truck. 8 months in and I'm still honeymooning.

Great video. Showing what cell in what module made it easy to understand. Now only if one can change out a module without dropping a chassis. Need a modular repair design. Having to disable 20% of the vechicle to change 1 part is unsustainable

@wolfgangpreier9160

6 ай бұрын

True, if you change the engine of a fossil car, thats much easier. Its not more than a 25 minute job.

My module 8 is been replacement now in canada. Hope it fixes the issues. Thank god my warranty but hope they come out with more reliable components

Great video! Thanks for sharing!

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Make sure sure you subscribe!

The BMS is the problem here, it should have dropped the cell and let the vehicle remain on the road

@kdjorgensen98

8 ай бұрын

That would be a great feature. Would you need a switch for each cell that the BMS could control? Hopefully Ford will be able to make some improvements as they get more operational data from their trucks in the wild.

@chatgris6301

6 ай бұрын

Good point. 1 cell out of 96 shows low voltage and it disables the vehicle. Well played Ford.

I'd love to get some measurement on one of these to see if it would fit in my 2014 F150 frame rails, thinking about doing a Lightning battery/drivetrain swap into my 2014 F150 Tremor RCSB.

Mine is in right now for this. Stalled in my driveway, had to get towed. Have about 15k miles on it. Doesn't make me very confident in keeping the truck

@RedneckCam666

7 ай бұрын

Good luck with the repair

FORD will always keep Techs. busy !

Thank You! Though your video may not be related to Ford’s recent Lightning “CSP” (translation: not-a-recall recall???) it provided us with a better understanding of what the heck CSP # 23B57 seems to be referring to.

@RedneckCam666

10 ай бұрын

The "Not a Recall" is a direct result of the events in the video & has happened to other 150's. The Fault code retrieval & Cell Health report are used in the "Not a Recall" to determine the course of action for the High Voltage Battery . That's why I did the little bit about how we got here. PS: Please Subscribe

You don't have to equalize the new pack to the rest of the battery?

@RedneckCam666

8 ай бұрын

Yes we do, its part of hooking up the HV tester to make sure the module is OK

How many miles on this when this occurred? I’m currently at 15,100 miles on my 2022 lightning ext range.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

around 5000km

@natehawkins2910

Жыл бұрын

@@RedneckCam666 thanks!

Great info here, thanks!

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

No problem!

Could you tell me what each of the 4 battery connectors go to? I think #1 goes to the AC/DC charging plug, #2 goes to the front motor, #3 goes to the rear junction box, #4 idk maybe accessories? Thanks!

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

5 Connectors from left to right- 1 Cabin Heater/ DC/DC Converter, 2 Rear High Voltage Junction Block, 3 Secondary Onboard Diagnostic Control Module, 4 Module Communications Networks/ High Voltage Disconnect, 5 Motor(S)

Great video thanks for posting it. Was there any programming you had to do after the repair to let the car know? or does it just know? Also let's say I bought an F150 SR and find the range to be insufficient, battery price aside would it be feasible to swap in a whole new battery pack in a day? Or is there some kind of programming that would have to be done by a ford dealer? thanks.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Not much to do after replacing a module other than clearing fault codes.You need to put it on a charge & the BECM will ballance all the cells as needed. As for upgrading the entire battery, the BECM "Battery Energy Control Module" would need to be programmed to let the rest of the vehicle know about the extra capacity. That might be a bit of a challenge as software is tightly controlled by Ford for each vehicle

Hey Bud, where did you get that lifting fixture for the modules? I checked the ford rotunda parts page. Nothing. Thanks man

@RedneckCam666

3 ай бұрын

It was shipped to dealer when we signed up as an electric dealer along with the lift table & a smoke machine. # for the bar kit is 414-016-01

@johnsawicki4206

3 ай бұрын

@@RedneckCam666 wow your way quicker than a ford rep 😅😂 thanks for the info buddy. Great video.

@RedneckCam666

3 ай бұрын

@@johnsawicki4206 I think the -01 is just the adaptor brackets , pretty sure the entire kit is 414-016

I had a battery module replace on my standard range. I am curious, is it possible to add the additional modules to “upgrade” to the extended range?

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Im sure its possible, 3 modules , upper tiers bracket, top cover, wiring harness, cooling system plumbing & the challenge of software I'm guessing would be around $25K. Is it worth it?

im really seeing why the sales are crashing.. besides the fire risks.. this is all just super insane. i was just curious. no way would i be dumb enough to own one.

Approximately How much does it cost to replace a full battery pack (all modules) on the ford lightning extended range?

@RedneckCam666

4 ай бұрын

About 60K US

@ranchitosantos5165

4 ай бұрын

Wow thats expensive! So in reality after the warranty expires, i can be at risk of having to spend 60k$ if my battery was to go out? I really want a ford lightning but that battery scares me.

@RedneckCam666

4 ай бұрын

The odds of all the modules failing at the same time is pretty low but I can see modules failing 1 by1 over time at 5K a pop adding up@@ranchitosantos5165

Thank you for the video. If the car has it own BMS, why would that BMS balance the falty cell? Why do we need to replace a whole module?

@RedneckCam666

7 ай бұрын

you cant balance a faulty cell

@S25plus

7 ай бұрын

@@RedneckCam666 Thank you sir, so if there is a system that isolate that faulty cell, will the battery pack operate normally? Can we manually disconnect that faulty cell?

@RedneckCam666

7 ай бұрын

The BECM can't just isolate a cell & disconnecting it would be viewed as a fault by the BECM@@S25plus

Is there or more unedited version of this video? There are many key points missing.

@RedneckCam666

6 ай бұрын

Like what?

Can you do a krown anti rust treatment or fluid film on the frame?

@RedneckCam666

7 ай бұрын

not sure how the high voltage wiring would react with those chemicals. Ford does not recommend any chemical treatments

*sigh*. 2:10 it’s spelled TIER. Not teir. That aside, this is an excellent video. Thank you for sharing this.

what if you get F150 lighting with 101k miles on it and then one of the modules falils? how much is it to replace?

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

About 15 hours labour & 5.8K US for the module. Pricing for the modules seem to change a lot month to month

What's the price?

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

The module & all the extras was about $6500 US + installation

What is the Motorcraft glue part number? Thank you in advance.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

TA-38-B , its about $100 Can per cartridge & you need 2 per module

Sucks they are in 11s config. Not very good for solar. Thanks for sharing

shouldn't repair like this be under warranty?

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Yes it was under Warranty

@Kauppamopo

Жыл бұрын

@@RedneckCam666 thats surprising that even under warranty you replace just one module, some manufacturers want to replace the whole battery pack

Not covered under warranty??

@RedneckCam666

6 ай бұрын

Yes, under warranty

Any group on ford f150 rebuilds?

@RedneckCam666

7 ай бұрын

don't understand your question

Is this a standard range? So the extended range pack just finishes the 2nd tier of batteries?

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

This battery IS the extended range version

@OhmmuEnergy

Жыл бұрын

This is extended range, the standard range will have several of the large modules replaced with small modules (if you look at module 9 you will observe it is smaller than the rest, this is the "small" module and the others are the "large" modules).

@bowefamilyEV

Жыл бұрын

They use smaller modules instead of just not having the top layer? That’s an interesting choice. I had always figured the bottom layer was the same and the ER was just the addition of the top layer.

So, where does the old battery go?

@RedneckCam666

7 ай бұрын

Its returned to Ford for disposal

@ShawnLower

7 ай бұрын

To add-on to OPs comment - Ford is also partnered with Redwood Materials, a company founded by the ex-CEO of Tesla, that handles the recycling of end-of-life/damaged batteries and logistics of sourcing new battery materials.

Complexity Complexity. What ever happened to simple four cylinder four speed automatic

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

Not complicated enough to sell these days

@mikldude9376

11 ай бұрын

Or a 6 or v8 with a conventional 4 or 6 speed auto , my last car a conventional sedan family taxi and tow car with a big lazy long stroke straight 6 did 17 years hard service with unopened engine gearbox and diff , and just basic maintenance 99% of performed by me, and it was still running and driving like beauty apart from having a really beat up body from years of hard yakka. Maybe the small seperate battery module thing is a better way of powering an Ev , but imo it still sucks.

Hi I have got ford Kuga had small crush at the front bumper no airbag damage when I plug FDRS in coming up with the fault P1A10 code sobdmc hybrid politician control module battery disabled I looked everywhere in FDRS there's nowhere I can enable this car does not start or crank any help where can I do a locate? I have checked green disconnector high voltage front left looks fine please anyone can help

It's a 2022 model so the question is why it's being replaced ??? Why is nobody talking about how and why it needs replacing and who is paying for it? Supposed to be under warrantee for 8 years or 100K. Am I an idiot, that nobody is asking these questions?

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

It had a cell fault & repaired under warranty

@PumpUptheJam81

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is asking because the car is under warranty. If this was a ten year old pickup your question would valid. No such thing as a stupid question though!

guessing you guys will get to being able to do this in an hour... lol.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

OH yea... sarcasm returned

Until they make these battery packs swappable like a battery pack for your drill and a gas station is just a battery swap station. I’ll never get one

@TheLemonBird

Жыл бұрын

Would you swap your drill battery with a stranger? No way

@cheesegrater231

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLemonBird I would if it was a universal system where the battery station was the one to handle the maintenance on said battery. Pull up to battery station, swap battery, drive away. You own the vehicle not the battery Would actually lower the cost of evs because you’d buy the car and the battery would be managed and built by the battery stations. Gas stations have refinery’s, get rid of those and make factory’s to build battery’s if that’s our ultimate future.

@Tearitupsports

Жыл бұрын

So you would rather have to swap batteries every day or maybe only once a week, as compared to charging it back up where you might have to change it every 8 years?

@cheesegrater231

Жыл бұрын

@@Tearitupsports on a road trip hell ya, drive as far as you can, pull into a battery swap station, leave 2 mins later. Instead of these company’s making your car completely useless once the battery’s dead, like the new teslas coming out the battery is sandwiched inbetween the floor pans where as soon as that battery is junk the car becomes e waste. Instead the battery stations would deal with depleting battery’s, having battery chargers, and keeping them up to date. Major warehouses already do this exact thing with battery forklifts. Have a trained person on hand to swap them.

@bowefamilyEV

Жыл бұрын

I’d never swap my well cared for battery that I know the exact history of for some rando battery.

Let's look at the facts how old is his battery pack and look how long it lasted that is the true story

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

New models always have a higher failure rate than normal. It takes manufactures about 2 years to get most of the bugs out

@legacytesla

Жыл бұрын

Let’s look at the facts here, to this day ICE vehicles leave the factory with major defects, needing transmissions, engines and other critical drivetrain components replaced within the first year of ownership all the time. And they have had 100 years to get it right.

@RedneckCam666

Жыл бұрын

@@legacytesla mechanic's need not worry, cars or any other things with moving parts will always break down. The only things that don't are Death & Taxes

all that for a single bad 18650 battery ( or whatever is used ) in a pack? it seems like we have a reliability problem here . . . This is NOT giving me a warm fuzzy feeling about electric cars.

@OhmmuEnergy

Жыл бұрын

totally different cells than 18650 cells; these are actually substantially larger cells, only about 80 of them per module vs hundreds of them in the little cylinder designs.

Good video , but the more I see about EV’s , the less I like them . Maybe I’m just an old dinosaur , but I miss the days when the owner could lift the bonnet and actually repair stuff without the need for computers and dedicated factory software and or a specialist someone that knows how to use it , or the need for a vehicle to be in a state of repair for possibly up to a week or more. A time is coming or is here where a vehicle can be completely disabled by either a battery or the software, or both and if the owner is not in the vicinity of a tilt tray and a dealer they are screwed.

@RedneckCam666

11 ай бұрын

Not saying Electric vehicles are great but I think that's what people with Horses said when the first cars were introduced. I still remember when Electronic Fuel Injection came out, a lot of Mechanics said its too crazy and quit the trade. History repeats Itself!