2021 Supra VS 2020 Supra Review - Should You Have Waited?
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Toyota has just announced the latest and greatest Toyota Supra A90 with a whole slew of changes for the 2021 model year. We decided to pit the 2021 Supra VS the 2020 Supra and see if all these changes are just meaningless on-paper spec bumps or if 2020 owners should run back to dealerships and trade-in as quickly as they can.
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I didn’t know Drake and Josh did car reviews.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
I can't tell if tell if this is an insult or a compliment, but IF YOU OPEN UP YOUR EYESSSSSSSS AND SEE WHAT'S INSIDE 🎵🎶
@crxracer805
4 жыл бұрын
They don't really look like them...
@josumathew3384
2 жыл бұрын
Manual transmission
@herewithme21
Жыл бұрын
Smosh
I was neutral on supras until I saw one in person that was turbulence gray, it looked like a silver bullet with crazy nice dark accented shadows.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
They look awesome in person, especially the rear!
@doreo4166
4 жыл бұрын
Alvin Mercado I didn’t like the mk5 supra when it was first announced but it slowly started growing on me
@ZxroYoutube
4 жыл бұрын
ikr, i always liked them but once i saw one irl i fell in love
@flint9889
4 жыл бұрын
You pay 50 grand and can't put the windows down while driving.
@kobedabest
4 жыл бұрын
CoCo Jenkins get wind deflector, now stfu.
You're too good man with your content, your review style, editing, voice overs, clips. Im just waiting when your channel will blow up haha, which then would mean more uploads haha. i want to see a pov of you driving ur mk4 supra just a casual cruise
@exquisiteart6478
4 жыл бұрын
Right? I wonder why he doesn't get more attention and publicity
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys! We're just trying to make the best contact we can. I'll get more MKIV Supra content out soon!
Your video quality is immense. Keep up the good work you’ve grown so much. Also thank you for talking about the steering, I feel most won’t care about it however, I myself coming from a brz a looking to buy a Supra steering and feeling is of huge concern. I drove a 2020 and it was a bit less connected to the road so I was wishing for a change like this.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
This is an excellently made review, nice work you guys!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video comparison guys. Your videos never disappoint great way to start the Wednesday
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! 🙏🙏🙏
I have to say for 60grand fully loaded this has to be one of the best bargains ever, its fast, sounds good handles well, its a good daily, quiet when u want it to and loud when u want it to, seems like the perfect sports car, once again another awesome video
@thynysan
4 жыл бұрын
🤣 For 60k this is NOT a bargain.
@expertair6189
3 жыл бұрын
@@thynysan What is a bargain?
@thynysan
3 жыл бұрын
And bargain is what common folks can afford and still put food on the tables. 40k is considered a bargain for something like this.
@borla4491
2 жыл бұрын
@@thynysan MK4 A80 Supras was expensive in the 1990s so yeah the MK5 A90 is a bargain. Also, it would had been expensive than a C8 Mid Engine Corvette , if Toyota didn't collaborate with another Manufacturer (BMW).
@thynysan
2 жыл бұрын
@@borla4491 a Supra in the 90's was $40k, the same price as a new F80 BMW M3 in today's money. Not no C8 Corvette. 😂 The A90/at $60k is NOT a bargain.
im sorry but 33k subs? like what?? first time for me here, coming from goonzquad vid. this was a very nice vid, awesome review, calm and well spoken not like most mumblers and shouters out there with million subs.. you guys got mine and ill share your channel everywhere. good job!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
This car is simply wonderful I just received mine from Austria it took me 3 months to get this car here to Seattle Washington but it was worth every minute of waiting it's incredible the way you accelerate and brake and you don't even feel it it's very delicate when it comes to accelerate and brake. I have the 2021 Supra GR and they did a wonderful job with the exterior design
@roberts.8389
2 жыл бұрын
Nice , we have a yellow 2022 Supra A91 coming into our dealership on Monday , excited to test drive it 🤞
Great video😍😍😍absolutely loving the 2020 vs 2021 supra content
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏
Great video guys!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😊
Finally the review I have been waiting for! Sorry I'm late but it's great that Toyota gave some new updates to the Supra that makes a better car Really looking for updates to come!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
👌👌👌
Good job guys ! Realistic perspective from what most 90% of people are expecting to hear and experience when they jump into the updated car...now if only Toyota would make a 2+2 for those of us with small kids we want to throw in the back
Been waiting for this!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
🙌🙌🙌
By seeing the new Supra, I think the Toyota-BMW collaboration came out well! It's a really good car!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
Toyota actually changed the design of the piston head to achieve the lower compression ratio. They explicitly state that in their press release. Car and Driver dyno’d the 2020 and 2021 models and the 2021 car makes considerably more power above 5,000 rpms. Below 4,500 rpms the cars are identical. However, as you demonstrated once the rpms pass that 4,500 mark the 2021 will pull away from the 2020 model all day long.
6:24 hahaha u can see how excited the people are XDDDD
One of the Best reviews I’ve seen on the Supra.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
This is the best 2021 supra review on street. Thank you
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
Is 2020 model still a good buy? Besides the xtra horsepower, is it really better by much? Thanks
Albon : do you want a manual? Me: Yes
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Sameee
@trianggaindralukmana2184
4 жыл бұрын
Then you ended being clutch replaced every 5 thousand miles
@jakehull2704
4 жыл бұрын
Deejay Mercado There’s a manual petition at www.change.org/p/toyota-motor-company-add-a-manual-transmission-for-the-new-toyota-supra
This was the best Supra review I've seen so far. And I've seen a ton lol
@albonfilms
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! Thank you so much for watching!
I have a 2020 turbulence grey and love the car, I felt the steering issue you guys mentioned and couldn't put my finger on why it was weird until I watched this vid! I wonder if in the future it'll be possible to tune out the play on center. Awesome vid🔥
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I'm hoping that we'll be able to code the 2021 Steering Software into the 2020 cars! I will reach out to a few tuners to see!
@victor503025746
3 жыл бұрын
Curious if you guys were able to find a fix? I’m thinking of picking up a low mileage 2020 premium, or do you think I’d be better off getting a base 2021? Thanks!
@mresab1997
9 ай бұрын
Any update on this? 🙏🏻
Love the look of these supras. Have they figured out a way to stop the wind buffeting when the window is down?
@albonfilms
3 жыл бұрын
There are a few aftermarket solutions!
@LawsonsCarReviews
3 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms id be interested to see what they are and how they look. thanks
First comment. Great review. I wonder if any of the new car promotions ok Toyota cars are applicable to the supra
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
2020s are being discounted, esp now, so worth looking into!
Nice in-depth stuff as expected. Manual yes if poss would be nice option also if it drives down price of automatic vers so I can buy that in the future yes too.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Agreed!
is there a way to visually tell the difference between these two if they were sitting next to each other? something in the engine bay? interior? etc.
@albonfilms
3 жыл бұрын
They are almost identical except the 2021 gets the strut tower braces and Premium models get the Supra logo printed on the brake calipers. Other than that, nothing.
@JadeWisdom
3 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms thank you!
Love it guys
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ryley!
Great comparison 👍 I wonder how the compression drop to 10.2 will feel (and perform) for everyday around town driving( or auto crossing or on a tight technical track for that matter). From a roll it obviously performed better, although you aren’t always roll racing on a highway. I know there is more to it than CR difference to making a car faster, but maybe the higher CR and weird 2 port exhaust manifold had something to do with why the 2020 “felt” so fast.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Just from the butt dyno, I think the low to mid range of the 2021 is still very good, so I think response is mostly the same. I definitely would like to put one on an AutoX head to head with a 2020 to see how transient response differed though.
@PH1M0
4 жыл бұрын
Definitely would love to see that (auto x) video. If nothing else, tuners may feel a little bit more comfortable slapping on a big single , filling up on e85 (is the a90/91 flex fuel ready) and cranking up the boost with a lower compression ratio. Although a few a90’s with 7xx plus at wheels have already run 9’s , so what is the real benefit of the lower CR and 6 port exhaust manny? Power potential? Engine/trans longevity? Port runner envy? Could be a question only Albon can solve in a future video...
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
@@PH1M0 All great questions! Maybe we can do a deep dive into that in a live stream Q&A or perhaps in an A90 episode!
@PH1M0
4 жыл бұрын
Albon your last livestream was super informative, so either one would be great!
@VanHellsing12
2 жыл бұрын
Probably not a lot of top like mkiv and even mkiii had loads of.
Your 2020 Supra almost looks good still damaged but you doing more repairs on her can't wait to see your car when it's done and has a new makeover soon on another updated 🚘🔧🔩
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, build video coming soon!
1:53 that Nissan is about to get an accident with the bonnet open like that.
I'm may pickup a 2020 Supra. I'm not going to take it to the track, but i may do some power build and tune, but nothing crazy. Maybe 100 extra hp over stock, so the low compression piston change won't affect me. Either this or a 1st generation M2.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Downpipe and a tune on a 2020 Supra should get you 100hp easily! Test drive one and see if you like how it drives. I really enjoy mine! Thanks for watching!
Best sentence "7 HP" HAHAHA!!!!!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha best 7hp I've ever driven though!
@jj-fk9ez
3 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms eh, i hate the 2021 tbh. im not sure what they did to the exhaust? but it sounds like trash now. the 2020 was an absolute cannon.
That yellow looks beautiful!!! I’m sold.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
It's really nice!
2 years later everyone’s wish came true and we are getting a 2023 Manual later this year
Someone on KZread review the 4 cylinder version...I wanna hear thoughts on that. 😁
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Our 4-cylinder review will be out in a week or so!
@DarthChiropractus
3 жыл бұрын
Trash.
Waiting for 2023 model year debute of m2 with current z4 powetrain. Due to high demand of manual for m cars in the USA, manual is pretty much guaranteed in for next m2. Slight detuned current mx3 engine with manual will be a better option vs this supra with autobox
You think these big changes in 1 year was due to the C8 Vette coming to the market around the same price point and offering more?
@pmayo7894
4 жыл бұрын
Nope, that's way before the corvette.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure competition played a role, but I think they decided these changes a while ago!
Yellow is my favorite color, so hard to find on cars these days. Looks great
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! It's a nice shade!
@roberts.8389
2 жыл бұрын
We have a yellow 2022 Supra A91 Edition coming into our dealership on Monday, excited to test drive it 🤞
@TheScotemalan
2 жыл бұрын
@@roberts.8389 I had one come in nearby me here in MD, they marked it up almost $20,000 lmao. What a mess
@roberts.8389
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheScotemalan same lol market price adjustment
So if Toyota said that the supra 2020 had 335HP and in reality it had 380HP, now that they said that the 2021 have 380HP have what around 420HP stock that’s crazy on that little car just with stage 1 should be around 550HP
@TronB58
Жыл бұрын
It's like the Q50 vs a Q50 red sport... stock for stock the redsport is faster but mod for mod, they make around the same power..fbo tuned they're near identical. It's already been proven. It won't gain more power than a 2020 when modded..the 21+ is already tuned better from thr factory. 20 is more restricted from the tune. I have a 2021. Btw, they dyno 380-390 whp stock which is actually closer to 430-450 bhp. They also trap 117-118 on the 1/4 stock which is a neck to neck run against the 2018+ mustang GT 10 spd and Camaro SS 10 spd. Mod for mod, the 20-22 will destroy the mustang and camaro since they're FI cars. 👌
I think that 2021 can actually meet their claims of matching the Cayman series, so down to your now Porsche
so it does look like the front fake vents can actually be turned into real vents very easily from the looks of the front of that silver one.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they definitely can!
@lambbosbread123
4 жыл бұрын
thats good to know thanks !
Are the reported horsepower and torque figure's more accurate for 2021?
@dannyd7714
4 жыл бұрын
388 wheel for the 2021
@terlaluanjay
4 жыл бұрын
nope still under rated
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Still making way more power than advertised lol!
@DannyRice01
4 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms good good
If I was a company I wouldnt release a manual because then the people with manual will trash on the people with the automatic supplying less demand toward auto even though it's better. Unless they make those rare and special transmissions where its manual and you can switch to automatic
“Engine” man “engine”. ;) ^v^ great video.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Lolll same difference! Thanks for watching dude!
@joejee01
4 жыл бұрын
Albon love you guys
was that Jakie Ding’s car?
The GR Supra is an amazing sports car and in a way it's like a modern 2000GT A manual transmission as an option would be nice but I really need to see what the ZF auto is like!
@jakehull2704
4 жыл бұрын
There's a manual petition at www.change.org/p/toyota-motor-company-add-a-manual-transmission-for-the-new-toyota-supra
@h.a.4600
4 жыл бұрын
CD009 from Nissan Would be damn nice.
2021 Supra 388whp-Car and Driver
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Impressive!
why you guys not tested drag race. we can see the engine power!
Do you think they will do a TRD version of that Supra?
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
I think so! But I think it will be called a GRMN rather than TRD
The novelty of a manual wore off on me so I'm okay with AT.
3:36 👀
Yes, I still want a manual!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@jakehull2704
4 жыл бұрын
\[#_#]/ There’s a manual petition at www.change.org/p/toyota-motor-company-add-a-manual-transmission-for-the-new-toyota-supra
That beat up Supra looks familiar...Jackie ding Supra the one he crashed in the track
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Correct!
I finally test drove a 2020 premium yesterday, is super awesome, I don’t really care about the extra horsepower. If I buy 2020 will get a huge discount for an amazing car .
@Skeetopunk01
4 жыл бұрын
Saw one for under $45k new! Wait till the end of the year. You’ll be able to get one for $40k or less!
@bailey12444
4 жыл бұрын
Skeetopunk01 awesome 👏 good call
@Ultreras
4 жыл бұрын
Do it.
@bailey12444
4 жыл бұрын
John P. Ultreras I will actually get 2021 model
how much more hp does the 2021 hav?
@terlaluanjay
4 жыл бұрын
47
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, as ZebTob said, 47! Car and Driver measured 42whp difference on their Dyno.
@maximilian468
4 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms but if it has 47 hp more than the old one (335) then arent they equal when the old one in truth made 380/90?
@terlaluanjay
4 жыл бұрын
@@maximilian468 car and driver dyno'ed the 2020 and 2021, the 2020 made 338 wheel hp and the 2021 made 382 wheel hp. so if you convert it to crank hp (+10%) the 2020 has 371 hp and the 2021 has 420 hp
if they think the B58 6 cyl variant doesn't have a manual that can handle the power/torque then maybe they can offer it in the 4 cylinder version? Maybe some poeple will take that trade-off
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
I think that's a great idea
Car and Driver just dyno the new supra...it makes 388whp/420 lb-ft tq. 12:32 no wonder it gaps the 2020 model. This confirms the speculations that the engine/ new head is from the 2020 Z4; Toyota definitely knows how to tune the engine better than BMW
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
What's interesting is that the 2020 Z4 still retains the 11:1 compression ratio, whereas this new Supra uniquely goes down to 10.2:1. This means the internals to the Supra are unique to it. I wonder what else is different?!
@herewegoagain7403
4 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilmssince they changed the head, I'm guessing head gasket is causing a change in the compression ratio. It's probably a thicker gasket, therefore lowering the compression ratio. I mean there's a lot of aspects that change the ratio, but i highly doubt they're changing the bore size, stroke, piston config, depth height, and chamber size. imo, the head gasket change seems to be the most reasonable answer to why it goes down from 11 to 10.2. Just gotta wait for Papadakis to tear it down again xD
Waiting on a manual 😀
I’d rather have a targa than a manual. But a manual would still be awesome.
Badass car!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
It is!
Having 6 ports is what makes the a91 a better pick
@mresab1997
9 ай бұрын
How is it better? :)
What a banger
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
Thanks jackie ding
That 2020 supra needs a HUGE sticker
Honestly I would be pissed at Toyota if I had gotten the Launch Edition 2020 for limited edition badges and a slower/less refined version than the 2021 3.0L
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Some people certainly feel that way!
If no manual they could at least give us a DCT.
@alirizvi5553
4 жыл бұрын
No need for DCT since this transmission is pretty darn quick but manual would be nice! Plus, DCT has reliability issues anyway.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing with DCTs is cost, second is reliability, and third is weight! They're heavy! The ZF shifts fast enough in my opinion.
@mercx7403
4 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms The ZF is probably the best automatic trans out there...you can also tune the ZF for even quicker shifts.
Yes for Manual
2020 Supras don't Dyno 380 at the wheel. On average around 330whp.. car and driver have already dynoed the 2021 and it put down 388whp on the Dyno..This was done right after they put a 2020 on the same dyno right before and it put down 340 on the Dyno. So basically the 2020 really made 370 -380hp at engine and the 2021 makes around 420 - 430hp at engine.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
We're talking about crank numbers! Sorry, should have specified in the video!
I need a manual plz
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
Manual please🙏🏽
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Yes!
Thats a fast duck
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Quack Quack
Wow! 2021 seems quite a bit faster.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed it is!
You're not going to notice a difference just cruising around the track dude got to put it through its paces
@okkaybrandon7099
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he said that like 3 times in the video lol
6:20 I don't agree that "MOST" people will buy the Supra. It's not like Karen is going to get up one morning and buy one. So "MOST" people are nerds and WILL feel a difference
I don't own the car (i wish i did) but i think the overall difference is not enough for you to get the 2021 vs possibly saving 10k-15k on the 2020. Lets face it, most owners will the tune and mod the car.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, the savings on a 2020 is huge.
Yes. Manual.
Save the manuals 🥺
Is that Jackie’s car
I'll buy Supra again when Toyota grows it's balls again in engineering and engine management. Til then I would save for the Corvette coming out in a few short years or less
You guys are comparing these cars driving at residential speed in the burbs............ makes sense ........lol
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Can't go on track if all the tracks are closed! We were planning on doing back to back track testing at Road Atlanta but that was cancelled unfortunately. Our backroads aren't bad though!
Toyota should just give you a new supra. Your vids inspired to buying a supra as my next car, and probably many more people too. Smh @toyota
This seems to be the only video on KZread that is pitting the 2021 Supra VS the 2020 Supra... and that's sad. What the hell are these journalists doing?
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
For real!
Better suspension more power strut braces and a factory rear spoiler available. POOR 2020 owners 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2021= OIL CONSUMPTION ISSUES. Give me a 2020 please !
It’s actually a 42Hp difference
@nonameyet2205
4 жыл бұрын
the 2020 only has 335hp
@thynysan
4 жыл бұрын
@@nonameyet2205 keep saying it and we might believe it one day.
Yes, you should have waited lol
The 2020 SUPRA had 2 people in the car... while the 2021 Didn't ? If the 2021 Model had no passenger, it would be unfair.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Both cars had one person in them during races, and both had two people in them during talking segments. Thanks for watching!
I don't understand this crap everyone says about manuals "not holding torque or power" go look at a semi its a manual it pulls 80k lbs all day long the engine throws out 500 horsepower and 1850 lbs of torque yeah manuals are weak. My truck i pull trailers with its a manual with 600 ft lbs of torque the truck is a 97 that trans is what 23 years old now my dads 09 challenger srt8 pushing 600 horse without any boost added is manual and you can beat the hell out of it and it holds up just fine. First this shit started with light duty trucks and now its sports cars all going automatic and just excusing it as shit somehow has more power then ever.
That 2020 model looks like Ultron 🥴 and the 2021 looks like a new age Bumblebee the autobot!
@albonfilms
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha agreed!
@DrDraco-sm4bg
3 жыл бұрын
@@albonfilms Subbing just because you took time out to like and respond to my comment!
I honestly think if they put a manual in the car then no one would buy it, everyone who complains about a manual can’t even afford the car or are in the small minority group which won’t bring profit but might actually make Toyota lose money
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
That's definitely a possibility!
I think you guys are jealous we need a review from some one that don’t own a supra because you 2020 guys are bais
2021 Supra Wins!
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Yes it does! But 2020s are cheaper!
Bruhhh I know who’s crashed Supra that isss lol
Yes to manual 🥴
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
Manual
You claim autos put down more power? I have always known manual transmissions to put down more power to the wheels.
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
Not putting down more power, but holding more torque reliably. Torque converter autos are the choice transmission in many high horsepower drag car applications for that same reason. You are correct though, they have more drivetrain losses.
You can't start the race all the time
Nope i dont need manual....as long as the auto is much faster than a manual...yes i know how to drive a stick shift
Just buy a used M240i. Exactly the same car with a different body and comes with a manual option and much cheaper too or if you want something actually Japanese. Get a Lexus
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
They're actually surprisingly different dynamically! Drive an M240i and a Supra back to back if you get the chance!
@Milkman69ner
4 жыл бұрын
Albon I have driven them back to back and thought they were near enough identical. This was road riding and round a track. Every dynamic was the same, the mk4 is distinctly different although I expect that from an older platform. There’s even more difference between the supra and soarer than there is between the new zupra and the m240i. Have you driven the supra and soarer back to back?
@albonfilms
4 жыл бұрын
I have driven both the SC and MKIV and the M240i and MKV and I can't say I felt the same thing! I felt more of a difference with the M240i and the MKV than I did with the SC and Supra. Both NA versions btw.