The Yamaha Tracer 9 GT just raised the bar of what people will demand from a sport tourer in 2021! 🔥🔥🔥

@janstein6242

3 жыл бұрын

if they just had adapted the tracer 7 looks. i really dont like the looks of the new 900, the new 700 looks much sharper

@NateSail82

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Mentatstrategy

3 жыл бұрын

Price per performance and features - it's at the top of my sports touring list.

@carlosandleon

3 жыл бұрын

@@janstein6242 but they designed the 9 for better touring. You can see more wind protection overall, especially for the legs

@jonathanwardle2052

2 жыл бұрын

@@janstein6242 I bought the 9gt but think the 700 is the better looking bike tbf 🙆‍♂️

I think Yamaha and Honda nailed it again in terms of pricing

Tracer 9GT is probably the best bang for buck on the market right now. And it's also coming stateside and selling for only 14k USD, which is nearly 4 grand cheaper than it's main competitor the Versys 1000 SE.

You mentioned the Tracer 700. Kawasaki has a Versys 650, although lacking updates it's still a great value. I also think Triumph needs a sport-ADV home for that new 1160cc triple.

Thanks for that very interesting and mouthwatering review. The sooner I can get back in the saddle again after this lockdown the better!

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

You and me too. Glad you liked it

@whittlad

3 жыл бұрын

I hear you brothers and my two year KTM warranty expires this summer and I've hardly got any miles on the bike due to the movement restrictions. That said, some very tasty bikes on offer and thank you Tony👍👏😎

@rterrelljones

3 жыл бұрын

The "lockdown" is not going to end. We need to stop complying, and live your life like you did in 2018. This is not about a "virus" and the world governments taking extreme measures to prevent our sickness. Yeah, right.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

@@rterrelljones *yawn*

***I've now uploaded a 2022 version of this video, you can find it in my bike review playlist*** It’s been interesting reading the comments on this video. There is quite obviously a big disparity in what people view as a ‘Sports Tourer’. In the UK particularly they seem to traditionally be seen as a ‘sports bike’ that is a bit more suited for longer journeys and have some form of luggage option. Pillions are surplus to requirements mostly, as if you want to take a passenger a ‘touring’ bike is a better pick. However our friends over the Pond seem to have a different take on the name? Oh and I’ve also upset a lot of FJR owners is seems by not including it. I left it out because its no longer available for sale in the UK in 2021. I know these videos get watched in other countries, but as I live in the UK, things like spec, colours, availability and sometimes model names are going to have a UK focus. I try not to pigeonhole bikes if I can because the motorcycle world seems tribal enough as it is, and some people seem to be easily triggered if you don’t like their particular bike or brand. As countless people have proven you can tour on any kind of motorcycle and the most important thing to do is just get out there and ride!

@Surfbird11

3 жыл бұрын

I think the main reason for the different views with us Yanks and Canucks is geography. North America is just so large and most of it is wide open space. We tend to cover vast distances and so value comfort and stability more. I can’t count all the 1500km days I’ve ridden.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

@@Surfbird11 yes that’s a very good point

@landedzentry

3 жыл бұрын

Honda CBR1100XX Superblackbird stopped 2005/2006. Shame. I had the first one in '97 and it was a mile muncher and a LOT of fun. Honda build quality and as soon as I road the bike it fit like a glove...."Linked brakes!!! They were marmite but i loved playing around with them -one foot braking etc. With the new Hayabusa now out from Suzuki , maybe Honda will make a new one with 2022 bells and whistles?

@Surpriseify

2 жыл бұрын

@@landedzentry Get a VFR 1200F Bascially all the goods of the Blackbird but a bit more modern Also honda V4!

@davidcolin6519

2 жыл бұрын

@@Surfbird11 I think that the other part of the equation is that long trips across the USA are almost defined by long, straight roads. there really isn't much of an A road alternative (for those stateside, A roads are half way between an interstate and a backroad; fast, sweeping bends taking you through more scenic countryside). In the EU, most people think of Sports Tourers as the sort of bike that is comfortable(ish) for 8-10 hours in the saddle, that you can then take the panniers off and make a decent fist of scratching around the local fast roads. This also means that a sports tourer can be used to "take the long way home" from, say, Nice to Madrid, Hannover or wherever. i'd say that anything sporting pretensions is a straight tourer of some description. This is also part of the reason why the USA can't be classified as "The Greatest country on the planet"; There simply aren't enough great roads for riding a bike. That title would have to go to somewhere like France, Spain or Italy, and for just that reason

Nice comparison Tony. Although I am a adventure fan if I was choosing one of these it would probably be the yahama 9.....looks a high spec, good power and as you highlight good value for money 👍

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yep I’m the same but I quite like the Tracer too.

Great summary review on what's on offer this year. Both the video and narration is spot on. For me the heart says Ninja 1000sx but the head says Tracer 9 GT, mainly because this year's Yam allows for an additional Top Box for commuting/touring expandability whereas the Kwak does not. The F900XR TE is right there in the mix though

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Adam, much appreciated

Great review and such simple but useful insights --nice work & deserves lots more likes .

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Excellent video again, thanks. All lovely bikes too !.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Roger

Thanks,awesome review.I would have to choose the old tried and tested Honda vfr 800,most of my touring is with a pillion,the missus has to be comfortable 😀.

@lovelessissimo

3 жыл бұрын

Many VFR refugees have fled to the Ninja 1000 and kicked themselves for not doing it years earlier.

Totally agree on Triumph 1050 Sport with Speed 3 motor! With hard luggage of course, std or option electronic suspension. I'm in!

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I think Triumph could do well with it.

Tracer 9 GT bang for buck - it's the one. If I wasn't budget conscious The Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE LT would be the one (skyhook technology, bluetooth, better display).

Great video just shows the wealth of choices out there thanks for making it 👍👍

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yep loads of great bikes to choose from

@dalehawkes1698

3 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto forward my vote 🤪 I’ve got the 2019 XR triple black. So I reckon on the M sport colour 2021 Xr ( but still am interested in the new KTM 1290 S ) 🤣

Ninja 1000SX seems to be the most practical one to me although I cannot help loving all of them!!! 🥰😍😘❤️

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree!

@christophereaves7108

3 жыл бұрын

i have the z1000sx Great bike

I am not a Ducati fan boy, but, man, that SuperSport 950 is a real beauty! Look at those lines! Italians just know how to design things...

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

It is a beautiful thing

@anomicanomic3217

2 жыл бұрын

I was so excited for that bike. Was on a fjr1300 at the time and went to a test ride for the super sport. I was very disappointed. Didn’t feel well put together, and felt like it would beat up on longer rides. I’m sticking with a big sports tourer like the fjr for commuting and a 600 for fun rides I don’t think one bike can do both well

@galuhrichata6148

2 жыл бұрын

@@anomicanomic3217 well, I guess that’s why we all ideally have more than one bike…lol..😁😁😁

The ones that would take my eye the most would be the S1000XR, F900XR and the Tracer 9, more than likely the Tracer 9 would be the one for me as it's the best of a useable engine on a sporty chassis and touring comfort. It's not gonna be as much as a gorgeous screamer as the S1000 would be nor would it be as friendly as the F900 would be, but I think the Tracer would suit me and my semi-aggressive but advanced style absolutely perfectly. Now if only I had the licence for it

Kawasaki versys 1000 is a great bike. Half the price of the v4 multi strada

@venturebound4449

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was hoping to see the versys….. didn’t show up 🤷‍♂️

@doriangray2020

2 жыл бұрын

Half the price and a fraction of the bike

@repetitivemotion

2 жыл бұрын

He’s talking about sports tourers, not adv.

@jonathanwardle2052

2 жыл бұрын

Was tempted by the Versys but weight was an issue for me , plumped for the Tracer 9gt, so far so good 🤞

Thanks for the upload; very interesting. PS: The VFR800 has a Euro 4 compliant engine; and so it’s only available while stocks last (as with the Crossrunner + the 1200 Crosstourer).

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I only included to highlight how Honda have nothing in the sector anymore

great video! although I came here for the Tracer i was surprised by the variety of sports tourers. Usually I am more focused on the supersports but i am more and more looking for a sports tourer with nice luggage options. However seeing that beautiful Ducati with those side cases made me considering it to buy someday :D .... and seeing all those bikes made me think, why not rent some and spend a whole day to compare

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Very comprehensive review - well done for including the too often overlooked MV Turismo Veloce which is a blindingly good bike.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yep I had a look around one at a dealer and it’s a nicely put together machine

@Ironhawx

3 жыл бұрын

The Stradale should make a come back

Nice style of video for lockdown. Well done

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Thanks - a good selection there. Ducati definitely the nicest looking.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks and yes it’s lovely isnt it

Hi Tony good review as usual. Having a GSA (Love it) which I wouldn’t have expected to see in your review I would go for the Kawasaki. Good engine, luggage and comfy just what you need if your getting away. The Yamaha would be my second choice, good value for money. Years ago I had a 900 Diversion went to South of France on it 👍 brilliant engine. Good stuff Tony 👍

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Bud

Excellent presentation

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks George

I agree with your thoughts on a 1050 Tiger replacement. The 1200 RS engine would be very tempting 😜

@ericaworthington2675

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, please! That would be a great, fun bike

I just bought a new 2020 Yamaha Tracer 900GT and it is a great bike for the Sport Touring style of riding. The 2021 models are hard to come by here in the US and would have liked the larger displacement engine. Great review of the ST models. Thanks.

@Hooner77

3 жыл бұрын

First congrats on your new bike. I just looked at the Tracer 9 GT online. The U.S. web sites indicates it will not be available until April. I came close to buying a FJ09 back in 2018. I chose a leftover 2017 V-Strom 650 at $5995.00 and have been very happy with my choice. If the Tracer 900 GT had been available then I might have made a different choice.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Eric

Yamaha fjr1300 hands down the best. More sport than touring. Fast as lightning, side and top cases, cruise control and center stand and heated grips and electric windshield.

@michaelgill5186

3 жыл бұрын

Yeh thanks buddy you are 100% RIGHT

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, but I didn’t include it as it’s not available for 2021 in the UK

Very good video, it's put a few bikes in the frame for me.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

A Tigersport 1200 would be amazing...I would put a deposit on one straight away! even the outgoing 1050 engine from the last of the speed triples with all the latest tech would be nice. I love my Tigersport 1050 and am reluctant to part with it but is is getting a bit out dated. This is a great video and I think I can feel some test rides coming on!! 😁

Good roundup. Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX is the obvious sports tourer. If I had room in the garage for a tourer though, it would probably be a Tracer 900.

@douglasalexander4348

2 жыл бұрын

@MyMednas I have to disagree. SX is a lovely bike, but the tracer is not just a tourer, it’s excellent on the sports bike side. You should test ride one. More livelier and very light to chuck about. Better for country lanes. Remember it’s based on the lunatic MT09. Kawa feels heavier/stiffer on tighter corners, good on longer sweeping corners and very smooth. Tracer more upright with straighter leg position. So more fun at weekends and better position for touring took me the Tracer route. Pretty good mpg as well.

Great review

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Got to be honest I'd be happy with any of those, 1290GT,H2SX,V4S and the MV would be my top 4

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep I’d take pretty much any of them too. The Tracer makes a lot of sense, the Ducati is just gorgeous and the H2 is mental!

Very well done!

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

The Yamaha FJR1300 is still an amazing sport-touring bike! I understand that it's not included in this 2021 overview, but the only reason that it has been discontinued in the EU, is the Euro-5 regulations. You can probably still find good 2020 deals, though :D

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep thats the only reason it was left out

Damn.. Tough question. My heart would go Ducati, my curiosity with Agusta, my cool with Triumph, my sensible head says Honda.

@BibtheBoulder

3 жыл бұрын

...and my wallet said Kawasaki ZZR1400 at £10,500 brand new.....

@douglasalexander4348

3 жыл бұрын

And no-one says BM. Throw your wallet down a drain, same as owning a Ducati. I’m with your comments though. Yams as good as Honda now.

Excellent roundup. But the Hayabusa is not only a performance bike. Put a superbike handlebar on it and you‘ll get an absurdly great touring bike and daily driver. With the low center of gravity it‘s extremely easy to handle even in stop&go traffic. Got mine four years ago and it‘s my daily driver in the city as well as my long touring bike to the Alps and Dolomites. To make handling even better you can raise the rear suspension for twenty millimeters. This improves the geometry even further. Only downside is that you won‘t drive 300km/h anymore (you can but you won’t) because after 250km/h your handlebar/arms will cause some turbulence and that‘s not for everyone. But if you are a touring guy like me you can easily ride for 12 hours a day and more if you need to make kilometres and simply enjoy every second. And the best thing is, you don‘t need the newest model. Since 2013 you get ABS and that‘s all what I would be looking for and saves you a lot of money.

Love that Yamaha Tracer 9 GT. Ticks all the boxes and its backed by Japanese reliability.

@justjeff4173

3 жыл бұрын

Weight capacity is an issue for the Tracer 9. Yamaha says you can have the top box or the panniers on but all at the same time. Maybe dealerships should throw in a complimentary bathroom scale for potential pillions?

@fleuger99

3 жыл бұрын

I'd check paint quality and I had constant issues with cruise control and temp gauge on my 2016 FJR that Yamaha could never get fixed. I'll never buy another Yamaha again.

@TheLolgonewrong

3 жыл бұрын

@@justjeff4173 That is a legal issue to protect them, the bike can carry all 3 sure enough. Yamaha just wont say it, it is just to cover their ass.

@douglasalexander4348

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLolgonewrong exactly. Also, the rear shock isn’t the stiffest for huge weight. Upgrade shock and your laughing.

@douglasalexander4348

3 жыл бұрын

@Csab so you’ve not ridden one then, but you ‘know’ ? 4000 revs most have flat spots due to emission regs, but If you only ride a triple or inline 4 at 4000 you shouldn’t be on a bike.

VFR, call me suck in the mud but I just can't help like a more analogue approach in a world full of smart tech. Some lovely bikes to chew over here, thanks.

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

The VFR is still hard to beat…

I own the tourismo veloce Rc number 72 of 200 in the world. He doesn't even mention the smart clutch system which makes it the most technological advanced bike on the list plus the best looking IMHO. I bought mine for $18,900 with gapr coverage and a 6 year warranty and I couldn't be happier!

@mancavemoto

Жыл бұрын

In trying to keep the video a decent length I didn’t have am time to start going into detail around the scs. But it’s a clever system based around the Rekluse design.

Best compilation in Ages thx

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dieter

Nice job. Wish you the best.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John, you too

Great Friday night viewing 👍thanks for that ! The MV looks great but my sensible side would go with the BMWs (any)the Ktm is to much for me 😊

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Paul

@AyoHues

3 жыл бұрын

Test ride the MV before you buy anything. If you can find a dealer that is!😆 And check out the prices of low mileage used examples. 🤩 Absolutely no reason to buy a Tracer.

@10daysAgo

3 жыл бұрын

@@AyoHues no I will like to ride a tracer and return home safely rather than riding a shiny italian toy which will not even bring me back home properly .🙏

I'd like Triumph to make the Speed Triple a little less "naked" with some half fairing options, and luggage too. I'd still want to keep the reasonably upright seating position. Sportsbike position "does me in" !!

Good vid, bud. Nice work!

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@MOTOLANE

3 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto liked and subscribed! 👍

Never have I been so happy that I have to commute 110 miles a day than I have during this pandemic...but ironically the bike I would (did) choose is one not even mentioned here, the mighty Kawasaki ZZR1400. Still a few new ones left out there, and available for as little as £10,500...

@BibtheBoulder

3 жыл бұрын

@Csab I am 5'10". I have already done 400 miles in a day with no issues and I am 57 with a dodgy back...but I admit the Gold Wing is more suited to the longest of journey's....

@brunanburh937AD

3 жыл бұрын

Pity that Kawasaki didn’t Euro 5 the zzz 14... a few updates like a tft and the engine would’ve have kept it in the lineup as Suzuki have done with the ‘busa... I took one out for a test ride( I’m 5’9” on a good day) and had no problems getting feet down, plus it’s an absolute pussy cat in town even with its size. I must admit I was a little apprehensive in riding it at first , it’s a shame that it’s been discontinued. I feel that the market is shifting from “traditional” sports tourers to a sort of hybrid sports adventure tourer... even the new H2sx type are proportionally smaller than a standard sports tourer if you consider the pillion spacing and position, not agreeable on a long romp, but overall it’s an exciting time for motorcycling, once we’re out of lockdown, new more innovative designs have to be encouraged and I think that the current leaders in the market obviously are heading down that path.... I also think that Honda and Suzuki have to step up their game and join in this design revolution..... more models more choice , which can only be a good thing for us !!! 👍👍😁🤔

@BibtheBoulder

3 жыл бұрын

@@brunanburh937AD Great post brunanburh. It's the same with cars, the small SUV has become 'the car' to have as is witnessed by the fact in the UK the Nissan Qashqai is the top seller. Fact is the 'sit up and beg' stance of many bikes is very appealing to what is essentially a market that is getting older and thus getting bad backs. I bought the ZZR 1400 as a last hurrah! before the inexorable arrival of my next bike which will most certainly be a sit-up style machine, possibly an FJR as I also like the shaft drive nil maintenance it offers. Won't be selling the big Zed though, she's a keeper.....

@brunanburh937AD

3 жыл бұрын

It’s one of only a couple of bikes that the missus likes as well, which believe me is a blessing lol...

@robertcawley6543

3 жыл бұрын

I had a 1987 Honda Hurricane 1000 (CBR) I commuted 100 miles daily, avg 48MPG . I finally sold the bike for $500, I had over 150K . replaced the Cam chain tensioner at 75K under extended warranty. and that was it. Best bike i ever owned ... many a long trips

Great review and enjoyable to watch, but for me you might be stretching the sport tourer category a bit far on some of these? I’d narrow it down to the Suzuki, Yamaha, BMW, Honda and Kawasaki. But that’s if you want all day comfortable touring for days on end with some reasonable storage space. However, if you’re happy to sacrifice all day comfort and take no more than just a pair of pants and a tooth brush for spirited fun! The others are right there which is why I presume you added them in.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yes what I would view as a traditional sports tourer are getting a bit thin on the ground. Theres a definite move towards a more upright 'adventure' style bike from many manufacturers

Great info and well done! I just demo'd the Ninja 1000SX. I love it! Total bang for buck and that inline 4 is so smooth with so much roll on torque in every gear at nearly any rpm! On my short list for my next bike. Sub'd. 👍🏼

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jason

@ixifutureproof9286

2 жыл бұрын

It's a great bike, you won't be disappointed. I've ridden the 9 GT and have had 3 TDMs in the past (which destroyed gixxers of the time) but still delighted with the Z1000sx.

Enjoyed the review. I wish Ducati would bring back the ST3S-ABS from 2007. Touring with a pillion long distance was enjoyable.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, the ST3S was a nice looking bike too

I don't think I have ever agreed with a review 100% but I think you are spot on with the Yamaha Tracer 900GT

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

I'm really debating selling my 2019 MT-10 for the Tracer 9GT. I'd love to extend my riding season and get some creature comforts.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good idea

The Ducati is a dream to ride , and hands down the looker ...love my 950 S

@larrymyers1160

3 жыл бұрын

Ducati's have always been the looker. That's where the competition gets their ideas from and has been for many years. Of course I'm partial to them anyway, as I ride them as well.

@edombre4637

2 жыл бұрын

I am thinking of getting a ducati - has yours been reliable?

@jamestonguet1737

2 жыл бұрын

@@edombre4637 Absolutely !

Make a video about lightweights sportouring motorcycle phease . Thanks

Nice video. There's not much about the Tracer making me want to ditch my Tiger 800. The 1000sx, on the other hand, Tiger may be on it's way out.

I was looking for the perfect sports tourer with a focus on comfort and features and I couldn’t go past the Multistrada 950S so I’ve ordered one.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Great Bike

Really good review 👍

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Speed triple with luggage and fairing would be more like the old Triumph Sprint ST and GT that they should really bring back! I ride a 2005 Sprint ST (its on my channel) and I love it. Would love to see an updated version

@NeilW80

3 жыл бұрын

a brand new Sprint would be an amazing bike

@ryanpatrick4813

3 жыл бұрын

Agree on the ST 1050. I ride the '08.

Great video, I've just found your channel. I've smashed that subscribe button

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, much appreciated

If you emphasize sport several of these are quite good but if you really include touring the list drops to the BMW R1250RT and the Yamaha FJR1300. These 2 bikes absolutely dominate the Iron Butt Rally year after year. Averaging 1000+ miles per day on every possible type of road really shows what is reliable, fast and comfortable.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep and thats the point the two you mention would be viewed as tourers. Sports tourers have traditionally sat in that space between Sports bikes and Touring bikes, but the lines are getting blurred now as manufacturers seem to be moving more towards more upright machines, bringing in the sub category of Adventure Touring. The reality is of course that you can tour on any motorcycle :)

I does seem that “adventure” bikes are supplanting the sport touring bikes in many manufacturers lineups. The sport touring bikes that seem to still be selling well are the ones with the more “upright” riding position.....much like the the adventure bikes 😉.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep it’s definitely the direction they seem to be going in.

@douglasalexander4348

3 жыл бұрын

Upright bikes used to be boring bikes. Not now, so best of both worlds, touring and way more sporty.

Being a delivery rider keyless ignition would be amazing.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

They come with everthing you need incl battery packs and charging cable

Great commentary

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated, theres a 2022 update video now too

Triumph Tiger 1200 - 140 hp, 90 something torques. I bought mine as a sport tourer, with a some off-road if needed.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep a great bike, but firmly in the Adventure category for me.

I bought a Ninja 1000sx 21 model and it's perfect for me. I love it!

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

Good choice!

The Aprilia Tuono Factory is heavily discounted and fit the kriega tail pack, its got the performance and wind protection with the slightly larger screen. The MV looks stunning, but the price .......

@petedetraglia4776

3 жыл бұрын

Where is it heavily discounted. I will buy it in a heart beat. Here in the U.S.A. they are $17,999...

For me the choice is one and simple Ninja 1000SX. I think it's more of a sports bike with comfortable riding position. Unfortunately I have to wait til next year to get mine. But it was nice to see what other manufacturers have to offer.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

A splendid choice

I’m over European bikes and their prices...it has now gotten old. My top 2 are the Ninja 1000 SX & Tracer 9 GT. I’m seriously thinking of switching to one of these from my bike. Great video!

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joel, yep some of those are, to use a local phrase ‘a bit lumpy’ when it comes to the price

@ridewherever

3 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto yea...When I compare the ninja 1000 Sx to a SDGT/1250RS it’s just not enough diff to make me want to spend THOUSANDS more if I’m honest? The Ninja has and does everything I need and feels VERY premium.

Good review and it is always hard to please everyone and some of these bikes ought best to be cross shopped against others not included here. Just one example is, if you are looking at the Ninja 1000 as a very sporty tourer, then another offering from Yamaha, the MT-10 should be considered, although I'm not sure they have a new one for 2021. Overall though, a good round up of the segment mate.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yes that’s always the problem Bernie, there are so many good bikes and the ‘sports tourer’ segment is changing. If I included all the bikes the video would be an hour or so long! Some people seem to get worked up about it, but I was never trying to make a ‘best of’ list, just a here’s some options kinda thing. Thanks for the comments, much appreciated

Currently own a 2016 tracer 900, FJ-09 here in the states, and I'm getting that trade-in itch. If money was no option the multistrada v4s would be in my garage, however I keep gravitating to the ninja 1000sx. It seems like such good value for money, however insurance is through the roof. Hidden cost for what appears to be a very good value. Insurance companies see ninja and immediately think your buying a supersport.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thats a good point Jay

Thank you for great video. Just small mistake: Triumph and Suzuki have both number 7 :-)

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and good spot. I noticed it after I’d uploaded the video so it was too late to re-edit

My thoughts: In this company, it's the 9 GT, the 1000SX, and don't count out the new Hayabusa, a bike that's been a well-accepted sports tourer (helibars and luggage, de rigueur) for decades. The 850 Sport could be, though, the real surprise. The Duc, MV and KTM really can't do the two-up thing all day, and I wouldn't take my chances in a long trip that's far away from a dealer. But...this has got to be the beginning of the moto golden age! Look at these options!!

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yes John, we are lucky to have such a huge range of bikes to choose from. It almost impossible to buy a bad bike these days

From how it looks in person and what people are doing with it, I would say you could squeeze the new Indian FTR 1200 Carbon into this list. at 120HP and 87TQ, with rack and bag options that are available.

Great video! I want to buy a new bike but my touring FZ1 still seems to tick all the boxes. I want top box and panniers as standard! My FZ1 has 120 litres of storage with 150bhp. i wish there was a good value new bike that could match that (without spending a fortune)

@luvsallbikes279

3 жыл бұрын

I have an 09 FZ1 and I have to say one of my favorites.

@albionjames1

3 жыл бұрын

@@luvsallbikes279 such a great bike. The MT10 is still not enough of an upgrade to justify the price imo. Im holding on to the FZ1 until the foreseeable future!

@luvsallbikes279

3 жыл бұрын

@@albionjames1 I put cheap bar risers on it and have a Sargent World Sport Performance seat I never put on , I have a few bikes and put the FZ1 on a website for possible sale and it has the most hits out of any listing , having 2nd thoughts .

I looked at most of them and test rode a fair few as well but put my cash down on a 2021 Kawasaki Ninja 1000sx performance tourer, best bike I've ridden in many a year, Kawasaki have made a peach of a bike.

The Yamaha Tracer 700 is my pick, it does everything well enough without asking for too much money.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, can’t go wrong with that choice!

@sv7017

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely the best bang for the buck

@VikasSharma-ip2kp

3 жыл бұрын

Can't get it here in US

@huynhxuanviet9818

3 жыл бұрын

@@VikasSharma-ip2kp What shame as it's not distributed in my SEA country also. Yamaha is missing out on so much sales when they only sale it in only a few countries.

So many beautiful bikes! They all look great, but, damn, that Kawa H2 knocks it out of the park!

@geoffpoole1972

3 жыл бұрын

I'm baised mate. Got a H2SXSE+. Awesome machine ;)

How did you possibly miss out the FJR1300 and Kwakasaki GTR 1400 ?

Versys 1000! I don't know why people forget about this on sport-touring lists on KZread... I'm about to upgrade my Versys 650

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't forget it, but already having included two Kawasaki's that I thought fitted the bill, i left it at that.

Ducati supersport 950 what a beauty!

@erkful

3 жыл бұрын

But not a tourer...sports bike

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, its a 'sports tourer',

Currently trying to choose between the BMW F900 XR and Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro

@gregd.88

3 жыл бұрын

The BMW F900 XR hands down.

@kee7678

3 жыл бұрын

did you get anything yet? I'm deciding between the F900 XR and the Tracer 9 GT.

A fair review of the ST bikes on the market. Good work! Thank you :)

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Geoff, appreciate the comment

I've just watched this again, Tony. I'd have the Tracer 900 at the end. Not that I'll be getting one.

Tracer 9, for me. Sad they don't bring the 7 here to the States or that'd be my pick for Sport Tourer if they did.

A curious mix of bikes. The MV Veloce is included, but not the Ducati Multistrada or the Triumph Tiger 900 Rally GT? Just demonstrates how the lines between Sport Touring and Adventure are blurring. Personally for me, the value for money pick is the Kwaka 1000.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed it seems the traditional looking sports tourer is disappearing and moving into a more upright style. I included the Multistrada in my Adventure bike video and i'd put the Tiger 900 GT in the Adventure segment. I had to draw the line somewhere or the video would be two hours long!

super ! well done!

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@reitrum4931

3 жыл бұрын

@@mancavemoto I have a Tracer 900 GT, bought in 2019. Its a very nice Moped (how we say in Germany). I think , I will buy the new Tracer 9 GT. The 900 GT is very good, handy, for me perfect, but if the tracer is better, I will have it. :))

Nice overview. However, in my opinion, the metrics used here don’t give sufficient weight to the ergonomic requirements for touring and too much weight to the sport requirements. Personally, I’m literally holding off a purchase to see what Honda can do with that Africa Twin engine in a pure road application.

Honda’s nt1100 looks really good. I hope they come out with it

Ninja 1000 SX HANDS DOWN…best compromise on all feature you would want and bullet-proof

Thank you for the comprehensive excellent review. In the beginning you mentioned the exact things that are important for me when buying a real Sport Tourer motorbike. Few points: 1. From Ducati I would choose the Multistrada rather than the Supersport. 2. I loved the way you ended the Triumph part with a question about making a sport tourer version of their new 1200 model. The same question I have with Yamaha - When are the going to make a GT version of the MT10? 3. It's really pity that the leading motorbike manufacturer - Honda does not have any good competitor for that segment. The VFR 1200 is the closest in my opinion, but it's riding position is so sportive, that its hard to make many miles with it. Hope to see more videos about Sport tourers in the future :)

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@coloneled2080

2 жыл бұрын

Honda DO have an excellent competitor - the CB1300s (with very effective half fairing). I have toured on mine from new for the last 12 years. It is both a tiger and a pussycat with spine tingling performance, excellent cornering and still very happy to pootle about in traffic. Best thing about it perhaps, is its exceptional reliability. Nothing ever goes wrong as long as basic maintenance is observed. After 34000 miles I still run the original chain and sprockets which have at least another 10000 miles left in them. The CB1300s is really all the motorcycle anyone could ever wish for. I have considered changing it but see nothing on offer that can compete with its all round brilliance. Even after 12 years my face still morphs into a shit eating grin when I twist the throttle at 90mph and the Porsche cayenne in my mirrors becomes a tiny speck in a matter of seconds. Best bike ever!

@briandavid4796

2 жыл бұрын

Ducati's are notoriously unreliable. Won't touch them.

Tracer 9👌

Unfortunately I just totalled my Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Did around 7000 Kms on it and toured for 4 days in Sicily. Mixed feelings as I am looking for a replacement now. The Tiger is an awesome bike and ticks many, many boxes. However there are some niggles too. The engine is amazing however is quite vibey. It didn't bother me when I was on my trip however it did when at 3 to 5 k revs, and this is a range one is in a lot. So i found I had numb hands quite frequently. I read the reviews, tried to ignore them but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The Vibes are there whatever anyone says. It's whether one admits to them or not. The Auxiliary plug just under the dash is in an awkward place so not much space to manoeuvre and the steering cables etc come into contact with the auxiliary plug at full lock. The ignition is also in an uncomfortable place if one has a tank bag. I found that I had to sometimes take the tank bag off just to switch off the bike with the key. And I had a very small tank bag, because of this. The dash is great, at least I think it is, however the connectivity IS A PAIN... enough said. The under seat mobile phone space is... a waste of space and minute...so only good for certain sized phones.. Small niggles I know and not a deal breaker... So I was considering replacing it with another... Until I saw the Tracer 9..... Which ticks slightly more boxes. So that will be the bike i replace the Tiger with.

My buddy had the MV. He found it to be too buzzy. It needs to be flogged in order to make power and he grew tired of it quickly. He bought a Multistrada to replace it

I would not say, that bikes like Honda AT, can be named Sportstourer, maybe crossover or adventure bikes. Are you searching because super sport riding position becomes more and more uncomfortable, but you will not completely loose sporty riding feeling? Do you want as well a really good weight between performance, comfort, features and cost? I did a couple of test drives for a new bike with that priorities in 2019. As well crossover bikes. In 2020 I finally bought a Ninja1000SX as best compromise. After around 8000km, I'm sure, this decision was completely right for me. I still love that bike, because it is two bikes in one. Step gear down, rise rpm above 6000 and burn the road. Put panniers on, step into 6th gear and chill the road. Down to 2000revs without any complaint from the motor.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t call them sports tourers, they are far from it

Be interesting to see what Honda replace the vfr800 with next year.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

The new 2022 Suzuki GSX-S1000GT looks very promising.

@mancavemoto

2 жыл бұрын

It does indeed! Maybe I should relook at 2022 models?

The Ducati Supersport is beautiful (and if I had my way I'd go for it), but I don't think the Honda VFR is too far behind. I'm just talking looks. The MV Turismo doesn't get much attention (nor any MV, for that matter), so good on ya for including it. Now Triumph, if we're dreaming ... how about a new Sprint? :-)

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

I do wonder if Triumph are planning a new Sprint. Given the recent Trident release it does make sense.

Great review but i,ll stick to HD.

Last June I bought a Kim 1090 adventure, a 2018 bike with 750 miles for £8300 from local Honda dealer and it’s a great bike with bags of power and great comfort!! I wonder are the traditional sports tourers dying out🤔

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Nice, yes I think they are which Is why I thought I'd explore that with this video. Theres definitely a move towards more upright 'Adventure Tourers' from a lot of manufacturers.

For value for money, brilliant spec, unquestionable reliability in a bike that looks good, doesn't have the stupid "one eye" look headlights of the Yamaha, the Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX just looks so good. Also bear in mind that a 2020 new model with zero miles could be had for £9999. A winner in my book.

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a great choice for sure, so much bike for the cash

Have to agree, Yamaha are getting it right in this market and at that price point they can't be ignored. Having come from 10 years on an R1 I have been very pleasantly surprised by the MT-09 Tracer, this GT 9 looks like topping that by some margin. Of course , mandatory removal of all things EU5 limited will be needed to turn the beauty into a real beast :-)

@mancavemoto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing