JayEmm is soon becoming my most watched person on KZread - a real enthusiast of all cars. Your output is truly outstanding too 👍🏻

@zzhughesd

3 жыл бұрын

He does things just right, honest and variety, that's all you could want.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

Awww thanks you guys

@rjhandley556

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve lost 3 weekends now watching his videos from way back. From the first Evora videos all the way through to now. Such easy yet insightful watching

@zzhughesd

3 жыл бұрын

@@rjhandley556 I was only interested by Lotus content. More recently JayE confirmed lotus content dead. It kills KZread algorithms. Must be a truely unfolllowed by the masses brand. Had two and long for another when one pops up in the trade

@JAYPCARS

3 жыл бұрын

@@zzhughesd Yes his honesty rules and I love that we never know what we'll get next!

Those window switches aren’t Ford, they were always Volvo and other Ford companies used them in their cars. Agree about the sound system though, I experienced it in several V90s and it’s a bit disappointing. But a good looking car, seems like a competitor to the Peugeot Sport Engineered 508

@paulie-Gualtieri.

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I've never seen them in Ford's and those volvo switches work and feel good, why change it.

@tehklevster

3 жыл бұрын

I have them in my 2004 S60 and they do a perfectly fine job. Why mess with something that already works well?

@PriitKaru

Жыл бұрын

Agree, they just work and they're not Ford, they're Volvo. Saying they're Ford would be like saying that Volvo used Ford's 5-cylinder engines (which has been stated by automotive media).

I think you're labouring the point a bit about the window switches, VAG do this all the time across many more models and years.

@otacon5648

3 жыл бұрын

15+ year old switches from a lower class manufacturer (I’m not a snob, I’ve only ever owned Fords), is not acceptable in an up market £60k flagship car. It’s just not. I’ve bought WiFi dongles that feel more premium than Ford switch gear.

@spainter1985

3 жыл бұрын

@@otacon5648 I do agree, but for accuracy the switches in this V60 never actually appeared in any Ford as far as I'm aware. They did however appear in Ford-era owned sub brands, such as earlier Volvo's and Aston Martin's. So they actually don't feel as cheap as implied, in my opinion, anyway!

@bacarmane3712

3 жыл бұрын

@@otacon5648 only the design is the same, the switches are not actually the exact same units. JLR are also doing the exact same thing in 6 figure range rovers.

@PriitKaru

Жыл бұрын

@@otacon5648 The window switches are not Ford, they're actually Volvo. I've seen a 1993 Mondeo window switch used both in a 2007-2016 P3 Volvo XC70 and a 2023 Jaguar to move the seat back and forwards as well. Industry standard :D.

I absolutely love the variety of cars we get from jay. My favourite is the budget petrol head series but the range of cars is riveting stuff.

I have had the new S60 for a year now and the interior in the Polestar version looks identical and the seats, the best money can buy.

@nicholasbabeaux2052

3 жыл бұрын

OMG the seats in any modern Volvo are so comfortable, I recently had a 2021 330i non M sport seat for 3 months and it was brutal, the seats were stiff and Incredibly uncomfortable, then I had a V60 for 3 months and a S60 for 3 months and it was a dream. You could do the 24-hour LeMans in one of those and still feel great LOL

The V60 is definitely one of the most underrated cars on sale. My dad has a Cross Country and it really is an excellent car. Great video as always James!

Really appreciate the effort to get such a wide spread of cars on the channel. Never know what is next, unlike other channels. Welldone. Also appreciate the lambo updat, fully agree that a car that isn't enjoyable to own and drive isn't worth keeping.

One of the best and honest car reviewers on the net, good job 😀

One big oversight is they have not got that classic bright blue paint colour...

Really surprised you didn't like the stereo, SavageGeese thinks it probably the best OEM stereo out there at the moment. I tried it in an XC90 and thought it was really good (not out and about just in the showroom).

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

You may very well find the stereo he tested was not exactly the same as this one

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

@Alfs Awful I guess he must just be wrong then

@RobertMilat

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe SG tested an S90/V90, because that thing is a whole level above this

@mattmellor4597

3 жыл бұрын

Jay did say the system was cheaper than in other cars, maybe they're omitting some bits of it like subs to make way for batteries or something.

@iHaveTheDocuments

3 жыл бұрын

@Alfs Awful I really do wonder if they're different. Savage geese tests the audio. Unless the audio teste equipment was wrong somehow.

Cars are getting more expensive for less functionality, just more tech that can barely be used while driving. I'm totally in the same boat as James, new cars just tick me off with the over engineering

@dwade3202

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, thats why I aint even mad that Im driving a 14 yo car and its an alfa 147 which still looks gorgeous. I get in, turn it on and drive, dont have 39 settings I need to adjust before I can drive.

@autobahnproven

3 жыл бұрын

@@dwade3202 Same here. Just bought a 2006 V70 R. Love the buttons.

@markwright3161

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call it over engineering. Engineering is about making things work, over engineering is like making a very intricate boot hinge mechanism to get an extra degree of opening, a lot more effort for little additional benefit. This 'everything through a screen for clean looks' isn't engineering. It's designers and marketing leading the manufacturing. It's about looking good in an advert and leaving the customer stuck with the rubbish after they buy.

@jaysmartin

3 жыл бұрын

Recently “downgraded” a manual 1.5 turbo troc to a mk1 2.0 vvt focus .. and the old focus with a mushymatic auto box is still more fun to drive than the t roc! Strangely I don’t miss the colour changing interior lights, or the led Speedo and I especially don’t miss the electric handbrake or piano black finger print collecting interior! 😆

@NatoriousGamePlay

3 жыл бұрын

@@markwright3161 thought they do the whole screen thing because of a. Tesla and b. They save money on switch gear. Which apparently isn't cheap to design and manufacturer. If everything is touch based, all you need to do is program it. But the problem is, car manufacturers suck at software

Volvo and Saab both always had excellent seats.

Absolutely gorgeous estate car!😍

You are the first one in the hole world who say the sound system is bad.

Been waiting for this since I saw it on your drive 😎 awesome thing

I had the 2018 (2.0L) V60 Polestar for a year and had a love hate relationship with it. The carbon front splitter was a PITA, in that it almost pulled the front bumper off when driving through a suburban flood at walking pace. It also made recovery of the vehicle an 8 hour endeavour when there was a puncture and the tire sealant didn't (couldn't load it onto a low loader due to overly low, now bonded on splitter). The sheer amount of dash buttons was absolutely ridiculous. It seems those two 'features' are solved with this model, plus a little bit more grunt too. The local dealer has one in stock too, think I will take a closer look. It did get a lot of complements from the types of folk that you would want to complement and the 'boy-racer' types that you would want to ignore you did. Thanks for the video.

Thank you for the informative review. I own a 2006 xc70 with the legendary turbo 5 cylinder T5. When you buy one of these as your first car, you find it difficult to upgrade to another car as although it is old, there are not many other cars that can match it in terms of practicality, comfort and robustness. So the only competitor would be a newer volvo. Glad to know your views on this new polestar one. And I agree with you on using a laggy screen for basic function. I am glad my old car has well designed buttons to use by feel while keeping the eyes on the road.

Also have to add, the sleeper value of this car is incredible! It's a Volvo station wagon, no one would guess it has 400hp or costs 50k, which I like.

@supersurfer1

Жыл бұрын

That is the issue it doesn’t let IK like a 50k car. If I didn’t know I would say 30k max. Problem is image.

Always on point 👏🏿, I really have to know where you get your shirts from

Love your videos Jay and of course sound is objective to an extent but the Bowers & Wilkins in that Volvo is one of the best stereos you can get, price point excluded, I have never heard any car reviewer have anything but praise for the Bowers & Wilkins so I'm surprised that you thought so, but hey we all have our opinions👌

Love this car! Absolutely agree, really good sounding 4pot even from the outside it seems.

Great video with some good insights that other people have missed. I ordered an S60 T8 polestar back in June. It was supposed to be ready by November, but alas it’s now April. Rumour has it Volvo are upgrading the battery’s to give it 455bhp and a 50mile range in pure. Fingers crossed they do that with mine, if it ever gets built! The great thing is I snapped it up for 42K in the UK. With car prices rising I’m going to have to stick with the long build time as I don’t think I could get a deal like that ever again.

@matthewgavin5193

2 жыл бұрын

Just been looking to order one for next company car. Does list 2 on select leasing one showing 455bhp? Not sure if an error or is this the upgrade?

Thanks J. Volvo & pre-GM SAAB always had great seats.

@kirbyswarp

3 жыл бұрын

The GM saab 9-5 aero had incredible seats. Some of the best I've sat in

3:12 the Doug de muro creepy hovering finger

Excellent review

Having tried several JLR hybrid cars I found them really responsive and returned most of the immediate response to the throttle pedal.It would seem the best hybrids improve the driving experience or more accurately return it to what it used to be like.

Everyday driver keep raving about this car in their podcast a few times

If you have three labradors, two kids and a Nanny - I would say it’s a cool car !

@SonOfTamriel

3 жыл бұрын

as a single middle-aged Canadian, super cool car... sadly can't get.

@samthoma2719

3 жыл бұрын

@@SonOfTamriel for that money an e class is much better anyway

@rorzf1butler781

3 жыл бұрын

@@samthoma2719 E class is the size up from this. V90 is E class size

@samthoma2719

3 жыл бұрын

@@rorzf1butler781 size is irrelevant it’s the same money

@samthoma2719

3 жыл бұрын

@@rorzf1butler781 so actually the e class is a much better deal

price is knocking on the door of the RS4 Avant. I know which I'd take!

Cheers Jay, looks like Geely has done a great job here bearing in mind all the environmental regulations they have to deal with. I considered one and the finance packages are certainly attractive. On balance though, I wanted a more analogue experience, so searched out the lowest mileage, best maintained V70 R I could find and paid cash.

The window switch thing seems to be a thing that a lot of manufacturers just seem to think has been perfected and needs no further development. Just test drove a 2021 Citroen C3, and the window swithces as well as the cruise control stalk were identical as in a 2001 Peugeot 307. I mean i noticed it, but they work well and if it's really a choice between an old physical button or just a touch screen control i'll take the 20 year old switch any day over the touchscreen madness.

Wanted one of these for a while, but the PCP costs were like 600/700 a month which is ridiculous - and the 20 odd mile EV only range isn't going to make much of a dent into fuel costs considering it's a ~30mpg engine when you drive nicely

Looks really nice

I think this is the first review I've heard where they weren't completely blown away by the bowers and Wilkins sound system

We have a Volvo XC60 2011 305Hp T6 Turbo might be boring but my wife and I just love the seats as well.

You are the only one to critisize the B&W sound system in the volvo cars. Everbody says it’s the best sound system for under £7000. Better than a lot of sound systems in ultra luxury limousines. I have tried it myself in the V90 and it was absolutely phenomenal in my opinion.

@ciaranwebb6871

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think he's just trying to be a contrarian. Like with the window switches (really?)

@johnrodgers6049

Жыл бұрын

He always loves to be a contrarian. It’s his thing. Makes him think he stands out.

I almost couldn't hear Jay over that shirt. Great video though as always 👍🏻

Great review! Love the styling of this generation V60... it's just missing a couple of cylinders ;-) Integrated Automotive do a box to upgrade the original V60 (Polestar) with CarPlay and Android Auto for £440.

Hi JeyEmm, From the 60 series i’ve tried the bowers only on the XC60. And being a car salesmen that have tried a lot of audio system i think that Bowers and Wilkins is one of the best in the bussines. I cant tell about the V60 because I haven’t tried, but im surprised that you was comparing it with a VW Golf. All the best!

The question I always ask with hybrid tech like this is - as you describe running around in electric drive only and then you want some performance, so you use all systems go- the engine kicks in and you start to use it harder- If you were using a normally powered car you'd warm it up for a mile or two, surely using an ICE engine in this way is going to increase wear and shorten its life.

As a Rebel Blue V60 Polestar owner, you're absolutely right. I really don't want to have to wrap a car to make it look like what it is, so I won't be moving up to this.

One of those, "it's great as long as it's under warranty " kind of cars.

@hanse81

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, Volvos are famous for breaking down...

Interesting, I have been in an S90, and I found the Bowers and Wilkins hifi to be superb, super crisp, with little to no quality loss even on higher volumes, with good bass (not too over powering). Maybe it was the audi that you listened to?

5:10 OMG did you wipe the car down with a cloth you’d used to clean out gutters?

@markwright3161

3 жыл бұрын

The reality of gloss black and alcohol based antimicrobial wipes.

@markwright3161

3 жыл бұрын

​@@lvk104 I imagine someone at Volvo wiped it down as part of the Covid procedure to prevent spread. The idea is to prevent it spreading from being on the surface. To wipe down for aesthetics sake afterwards with a microfibre towel, the towel would need independently sterilised. The streaking is from the alcohol rapidly evaporating. Its boiling point is only around 60 degrees Celsius I believe compared to water being 100 degrees, so it will naturally evaporate faster off a surface of the same temperature, and a higher humidity (relatively common in the UK) increases the rate at which the alcohol evaporates as it's attracted to the water in the air, higher humidity means more water in the air which increases evaporation of any alcohol present (had to google that, I was thinking of a different, now known to be incorrect, reason). I think using a microfibre towel to apply the fluid will still result in streaking because it needs to be on the surface in order sterilise it properly. Wiping on and off at the same time will not be very effective. Effective application of the sterilising agent would be like wiping a car down with an already damp/wet towel.

Now that is nice

My dream car

As someone who loves looking at the classifieds could never get one of these, Supercharger and Turbo and hybrid sounds like exspensive repair bills

@neiltitmus9744

3 жыл бұрын

Everything to go wrong

Really surprised by the B&W audio set up not being that great. I have a 2019 V90 with the basic system and it’s still superb, prior to the Volvo I had an Arteon and while it was punchy and a half decent set up, it wasn’t half as good as the Volvo. The Volvo just sounds a lot richer with a much better sound stage. I’ve always wanted to hear the B&W system though.

@martin1649

3 жыл бұрын

It's a better deal to go for basic sound system up front and replace it at a third party car audio shop with something like Gladen or Steg speakers. Better than most "premium" sound systems, apart from the nice speaker covers lol.

You don't want too much engine sound for who's this car is build therefore comparing to a golf come on... Analog buttons are perfect for windows, some things should stay the same. Apart from that nice review 👌😁👍

I do like these Polestar editions but for the money I’d rather have the Inscription Pro which looks more expensive in my opinion and can be optioned with lighter interiors and wood which transform the whole atmosphere of the cabin.

I guess like everything, sound is also subjective. I'm just a tad surprised with Jay's assessment of thIs particular Bowers and Wilkins system, which up till now has been universally praise as the benchmark in the premium segment. Must try to get a courtesy car fitted with this system the next time I service my Volvo so I can experience it myself.

So which company does the best OEM audio systems for cars then? Bose? Bang & Olufsen? Meridian? JL Audio?

I had the older V60 Polestar with just the twincharged inline 4. I never had so many issues with a brand new car engine. I flipped it before it went out of warranty. The supercharger bypass valve assembly would fail at least yearly, and at the end the supercharger needed to be replaced. I can't imagine owning the same powertrain but with hybrid slapped on top long term. The car would be a nightmare. The only one worth owning was the inline 6 Polestar model.

Lovely review. But you have the window switches all wrong. Ford, Aston, etc actually used Volvo's window switches so this is thier originally designed equipment.

I'm sure those window switches were developed by Volvo. They were on the old S80 which was developed before the ford takeover. It's true they were used in Aston's and Jags but I'm sure they were originally Volvo.

Hi, does the electric motor carry on providing power whilst the car is changing gear?

I am ok with things like older window switches. It means that they are still being produced and are available for when the older cars people drive need to replace those parts that failed.

I have a Volvo S60 on 17 reg this is my next car in 2022 when prices come down

Another interesting and slightly different car. I suppose the price reflects the nice bits Polestar have added. All cars seem expensive to me. I must be getting old.

You can get an auto luggage net on these but I think it's part of a convenience option pack.

I was messing around recently on the V60 configurator and I too thought the colour options were a bit meh for the range but then when I looked at the Polestar I too was a bit surprised no unique colour option. But then when I looked at the 508 PSE it only has I think 3 colour options and I suppose these are cars vying for the same purchaser.

About the interior, my mom got her 850 because of the light wood veneer and I bought my S60R later partly because the insane looks of the instrument cluster and interior materials (that gearshift lever), my uncle also bought a S80T6 at the same time because the interior was also something special. I understand your deception about that black grey generic interior...

Do you have a hotline to NCAP? They could rid all cars of touchscreens within a couple of years by knocking a star or two off safety ratings.

What exactly didn’t you like about the sound system? Did you play with the settings? Everyone else seems to say it’s one of the best ever OEM systems at this price point and B&W are one of the most acclaimed brands.

You da man!

They should call those gold knobs under the bonnet the ‘ruin your car in an instant’ feature

Hi James, how do you think the new Peugeot 508 pse measures up to this?

I have one, got the additional skirts kit, kept the polestar tailpipes, 19" wheels. Makes the car looks lower and sportier IMO. Pretty happy, though not as reliable as my previous car, a Lexus. I notice yours have a different polestar badging than mine. Mine has the star, this says "polestar engineered".

god damn im unnecessarily excited for this review. It seems like the ultimate dog friendly road trip car.

lol imagine the reliability of a hybrid, turbo, supercharged, really, imagine the bill to fix this thing. Volvo is basically making this car irrelevant, V60 Polestar will be straight-up disposable goods as soon problems arrive. Kinda like smartphones, engineered to be discarded.

@marlonbaird6070

3 жыл бұрын

I agree.. Rather buy v70 t5.. Can never go wrong

@acchaladka

3 жыл бұрын

I wrote to Volvo corporate to tell them that as soon as they do a good EV version of the V60 I’ll give them my 2019 Tesla LR and cash. Seriously ready for a simpler carbon free version with this functionality and interior. But this version I would never own, agreed.

@starlightandeverythingnice1650

3 жыл бұрын

Someone who can afford the repairs will just go with a BMW

@papa_pt

3 жыл бұрын

@@starlightandeverythingnice1650 I wouldn't be surprised if the M340 is cheaper to maintain in the long run

@CalmDownShh

3 жыл бұрын

My 2017 S60 T6 R had the Twin-charged engine (turbo and super charged) as well, no issues 70k miles on 2 years the problem was the model was such a limited run the dealer that sold me the car had no info on it to help me. Ref. Me to Volvo USA for questions... Volvo USA transfered me Polestar, just to answer a simple question. Can't imagine if it needed fixing. Amazing car traded my slower 2013 Camaro in for it. It's a great sub 100k mile car.

You mean, while your average fast hatchback gets dampers you can adjust on the fly whilst actually driving, do these ones have to be adjusted manually by opening the bonnet and physically turning something?!! If I recall correctly that's the same as the last Polestar. If that the case, then that's ridiculous!

You mention the seats as being Volvo's "thing". If you could create an entire car from different manufacturers' "thing"s, what would all the components be?

@pb7870

3 жыл бұрын

Mercedes infotainment systems, BMW interior quality, Jaguar driving dynamics, Toyota reliability, Audi lighting, Alfa Romeo styling and design and Volkswagen economy. A Kia price for all that would be great😂

@bacarmane3712

3 жыл бұрын

@@pb7870 Kia warranty too!

I disagree regarding the BW sound system. It sounds amazing in the XC90 so maybe it’s the wagon layout but I highly doubt it. If Volvo kept the old in line 6 turbo I would consider this car, but that 4 cylinder sounds like a vacuum

Something is gotta be wrong with the stereo in this car because i think Bowers systems in Volvo is one of the best out there and many other reviews say the same.

So it does the Volvo thing of overtaking on a Swedish country road rapidly and efficiently. And being a Polestar, it does the same thing, but a bit quicker.

Imagine this beauty with a respectable engine with a real 405 bhp.

I chose my V60 T5 R Design over the equivalent Merc. I would have broken the Merc by now. i have the Polestar tune which is great and makes the car more 'driveable'. The T5 is half a ton lighter than the Polestar engineered so handling is better. It is no way a super car but it tramps on and in a smooth cool comfy way. The T5 has a different gear change setup. The window switches work really well and are solid.... why would you change that. The touch screen is dead easy to operate once you have owned the car for a week or two. The Dashboard can also be configured in different ways... with way more info available than what you need. It is not a replacement for the old V60 but more a replacement for the V70. The T5 is around 45k fully loaded ...so you have 15k spare to spend on fuel.

@callumwellington8620

3 жыл бұрын

I also have a V60 T5 R design Pro and have to agree with you. It’s a thoroughly decent car, with only the slightly laggy screen and less than adequate customer service to annoy me. I actually really like the window switches haha and that’s not a dig at the vid, they just feel nice. Overall I’d say it’s decent for the 49k it cost (full spec) Oh forgot the fuel economy. I can get 40mpg on a good day which from a 250+Bhp (with polestar upgrade) is amazing

@mjohns5944

3 жыл бұрын

@@callumwellington8620 Yes. Correction it was closer to 50k than 45k. Although I don't get anywhere near 40 mpg.... but thats probably because I tend to use all the horses when ever possible. But I am sure i could manage that on a good run.

I recently got a v60 d5 really impressed with it so far, great economy with a good performance and the 5 cylinder sounds great. I'd love a polestar though this looks great to though

I own a 2020 S60 Polestar Engineered. The B mode is not manual mode. It is the same as most other hybrid cars. It is the regenerative braking.

@JayEmmOnCars

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I expected it might be, not sure why I felt it engaged manual

Volvo will remain as underrated car company forever..

I had them window switches in my 2004 S40

I've always loved polestar volvos but I think now, it is very niche, for 5he money you can buy something with similar bhp and will go faster, im afraid your right that only true dedicated fans will buy these.

I understand that you don't think the sound system is good but I would like a little bit more depth as to what it is about the sound quality you don't like. I'm not asking for the "audiophile" explanation but I am interested to know a little bit more about why it is that a 1700 quid sound system doesn't sound that good.

In a nut shell price

Enjoyed this, wish it was better to drive as lack of rivals to the prestige Germans. Think I was born 20 years too late as would have loved a T5 Estate back in the 90s, even though front wheel drive.

The switches come across as 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'

This car is now the cheapest non-lifted wagon you can purchase in the United States. The only other wagons are the Audi RS6 Wagon, the Mercedes AMG E 65 wagon, and, well, the Porsche Panamera, all of which start $20,000 more than this car. Note that I specced out a UK version that has the standard features in the US version - many of the additional options in the UK are standard in the US version, which brings the price to about $67500 (no VAT in the US). But the Climate, Seat, Lighting, Lounge, Driver assistance, Smartphone Integration, B&W Sound are already included in that base price in the US. The few options in the US are fancier paint, various luggage racks, mudflaps, child locking bits, rubberized mats, rear bumper protection, and various Bike rack things. Maybe that provides a different verdict.

Drop the outer rock.. It must be super warm to have that on..

Same window switches in my 2002 V70

Seems a hard sell at North of 50k While a turbo/supercharger/ hybrid combo sounds good when talking about your new company car in the office Maybe not such a talking point in 4 years time in the canteen (other than a worry if anything goes wrong)

Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with ford window switches

Is this made in Sweden or Belgium? The Polestar EV is the one made in China yes? Don't think we can get this version in Oz at all.

Out of the box thought - Worth considering instead of a 6yr old RS6?

Very impressive specs and package. But I wouldn‘t want to live with a soulless four cylinder at that price point.

I doubt the engine and e motors have peak power which comes in at the same time manufacturers always play smoke and mirrors, if it did add up they would have dyno charts front and centre.

Winter coat in summer?

Great number plate for a Simpsons fan!

Maybe with the estate version the sound system sounds different, which is highly unlikely. We have an XC90 at home with the same B&W sound system and its brilliant. Other channels that have reviewed Volvo cars and spoken about the sound it provides have all been very positive. Not sure what JayEmm is on about, learn to configure the car equalizer and I'm sure you'd find a sound you prefer. Comparing B&O to a VW Golf sound system is laughable as I have a Golf 7 R and theres no comparison. Standard Volvos have always had good sound systems, from the 850s to S70s and S60s, the sound has always been some of the best. And if you got the premium sound system then even better. Love your content though. 👌🏿

Last time I checked on Carwow you could get this basic car for around £43k, at that price it’s far more attractive. Secondly, nearly all of the other you tube reviews on the stereo system upgrade said it was excellent, not sure why you didn’t like it.

Have you reviewed a Kia Proceed GT (2013-2017)?