looks to me like you're slicing instead of push cutting.

The rule book says, Murray. That you must first purchase an ANSI approved toilet paper holder, from a verified Dealer. Then, proceed by tightening a piece of 2-ply TP between the arms, at the ANSI specification of 6 inch pounds, before proceeding! : - )

I love and appreciate your older king stone (long format) videos that you showed such patience. This feels so rushed and almost like an infomercial!

@borp6912

2 жыл бұрын

Found the channel through those videos and that's what sold me, I liked the slow peaceful pace

I could be incorrect but this looks more like slicing than pushing.

@evaderknives

4 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure it is just referring to the motion of the knife. You push it through the paper, instead of pulling it through. Either way the knife is slicing or cutting...

@nietztsuki

4 жыл бұрын

Ray-- You are absolutely correct. I love Murray Carter, but that was not a push-cut. A push-cut is where you put the blade at one spot, and push straight down against the object you are attempting to cut. That's why it's so hard to achieve, and is the gold standard for sharpness. The motion that Murray was attempting, both with the paper towel and the toilet paper, was a run-of-the-mill slicing cut.

@evaderknives

4 жыл бұрын

@@nietztsuki Well, if that was the case, then someone can have one spot sharp and cut through just about anything, what he was doing was testing the whole blade... I don't know, all those test are just for show anyways. Holding the edge is much more important than cutting paper...

@nietztsuki

4 жыл бұрын

@@evaderknives Yes, correct. That's why for a true push-cut test one repeats the push-cut several times, using different parts of the blade. There are lots of sharpening videos on KZread showing push-cuts. This is common knowledge.

@nietztsuki

4 жыл бұрын

@@evaderknives kzread.info/dash/bejne/d6hhsddqpMvfpLg.html

Love your honesty in all your videos! my favorite sharpening system,

New subscriber this morning. New to knife making as another of many pursuits; all that require the best knowledge from intelligent, honest professionals for best results. You are just such a person and my respect and gratitude are in your hands. All the best.

I love that you talk fast enough for me to pay attention. In most other sharpening videos I’ve tried watching, the presenter speaks so slowly that I get too distracted between statements to learn much.

Strop and compound

@COMB0RICO

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! The TP push cut videos I've seen were mega stropped with additionals like compounds, sprays, and nano cloth that Dr. Matt uses.

No not holding between two fingers, but pinching the paper and cut the paper that is hanging loose. I am close it’s cutting but I am getting some tearing, not much but I am getting better results .

What a guy. I love that dude.

I can cut dry toilet paper but it is not clean as I would like. I’m not holding it under tension, but it’s dragging a bit . I think I need to use rubbing compound.

Always enjoyed the video from 2013, this one was just as good... Sharpening is definitely my weakest part of knifemaking. I guess that thin, an extra strop or 2 on the edge wouldn't make much of a difference. Hope all is well, Happy New Year...

Great video! Do you keep your stones in water (between sessions)?

I always test my edges if they grab on hair and if they *slice* toilet paper. You have proper bite on the edge if you can slice a piece of tp.

You're my kind of crazy dude

Hi Murray, I'm curious what your thoughts are on Naniwa Chosera stones and Shapton Ha no kurumaku stones. They've been my preferred stones for many many years. Do you have any experience with them?

@xonerate

Жыл бұрын

High Quality Stones.

Have you seen the new king hyper brand stones? And if so have you used them and what do you think about them? Also since your partnering with nanohone I was wondering if you have used shapton's glass stones as they seem to be what the nanohone stones are based off of.

@vicv071122

4 жыл бұрын

I have used the King Hyper 1K Hard and it's a very good stone. Much more modern and higher performance than the old clay based 1K but also more than double the price. For a 1K stones it's definitely one of the better ones. The one I'm most impressed with though is the King 300. It's super hard and does not dish at all. Quite fast too and leaves a decent edge on it's own. My favorite ~coarse stone

@kappablanca5192

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Hap Stanley who founded Nanohone actually worked for Shapton for many years

That is way impressive

i kinda of did almost the same with just a super cheap silicon carbide stone and a strop on d2 steel i feel like i can do better if i mirror polished it on japanese stones

But what steel are you using

Your original challenge was the first instruction vid of yours I watched! I've learned so much watching your videos and use the King stones and your technique because of your advice. As a beginner of this craft, I've found that even though the King stones may take more time, this repetition ("more elbow grease") is necessary and allows the beginner to establish neural coordination through repetition and simplicity since the two grits force you to be more aware of the progression and condition of the blade. It seems to me that throwing more things into the mix just distracts from the ultimate objective. In one of your earliest videos, a vignette commentary, you speak about the tendency of N. Americans to spend a bunch of money to get results. The appeal of your method to me at the time was that of simplicity and not having to spend a bunch of money on a lot of stones and accessories to get results. I think I'll still continue to use my board, a kitchen towel, and the 1000/6000 King. It just seems to be more Zen.

@nietztsuki

Жыл бұрын

Well said!!!

??? Why the totally different motion from right to left

To me all theese sharpness tests are way overated. If it push cuts normal magasine papper its easily sharp enough to cut everything in the outdoor or kitchen. How one deburr either cutting it off or the wrong method by flipping it back and forth has much more to say as it Creates metal fatique in the edge. The blending of the edge into the profile and thinnes of edge and durability of edge and edge angle etc etc have way more to say in how the blade cuts than the very sharpness of the apex.. If someone questions your edges they dont know anything about sharpening as you know your stuff

It amazes me how many of you can come to the conclusion that you did and pointing out to Carter he's not push cutting. If you watched his very first video on this channel, the one he even referred to in this video, the one where he first did the same test 10 years ago he did a push cut after bunch of slice cuts. So obviously he knows what a push cut is. So then what happened here? It's obvious to me that after sharpening you start with a slice cut to see if you can even do that, if not then go back to sharpening, if can then you move on to a real push cut. Here Carter did a slice cut and immediately didn't like the result or at least thinks it's no improvement to 10 years ago so a push cut isn't even necessary. In the 10 year video his knife couldn't or barely could initiate a push cut, so it's likely to be the case here as well so he just humbly conceded.

I was thinking maybe you have misunderstood the pushing toilet paper challenge. Perhaps the guy was asking you to roll up some toilet paper, and push cut the roll, just like the Japanese swordsman practicing their katana slicing through a rolled up bamboo mat. This is just my guess but for the record, the legendary master grinder Master Chan in Hong Kong would test his sharpened knige by cutting through a rolled piece of cotton cloth rolled to a half inch diameter bar shape.

What stone sharping system is this??

@lsubslimed

4 жыл бұрын

Nano Hone. Check out his most recent videos, as he has quite a few specifically about this system.

@est19791

4 жыл бұрын

@@lsubslimed ok great thank you

I challenge you to do my rope cutting challenge

Question; How about hair whittling? I think theres very little doubt (with your level of expertise) this can be done. Extreme close-up with a camera may prove more difficult however. But its amazing to watch. Side note, use thick hair! My fine hair will leave zero doubt about the fineness of a blade edge.

No stropping? And not re--deburring with a gentler technique after you basically just recreated the wire edgem

I’ve sent you videos over Instagram @makethepre and I have tagged you videos of me doing it. Do you want me to post the clip on KZread and give you a link too?

I say you passed! I would also be interested to know what the standard is.

@CliffStamp

4 жыл бұрын

An actual push cut it possible, it just takes an extreme polish and it helps if you want to kind of cheat to use *really* low angles, like less than 5 dps per side.

@rickodonnell2243

4 жыл бұрын

@@CliffStamp I'll have to look back at some of your vids. Did you ever get this "test" on camera? I completely understand this is just for fun like mirror bevels or hair whittle under 100 grit.

@IRMalcolm

4 жыл бұрын

@@CliffStamp So could you achieve it at 15 dps?

@CliffStamp

4 жыл бұрын

@@IRMalcolm It is possible, especially if you hold it under tension, you can find video's of it done. It takes a really high polish and normally even then a few tries to stop it from ripping because that type of paper is not designed to be cut/tore it is cross grained and really weak so it buckles easily under tension.

@CliffStamp

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickodonnell2243 No, I played around with it awhile enough to realize it takes a really high polish and ideally very low angles to do a push cut, there are people on the forum I run who can do it on a regular basis, keep in mind they often run really low angles and that will make any cutting test much easier.

Push cut? Not even close.

Check out Outdoors55, he push cuts toilet paper really well.

I've found it depends on the tp some will push cut other's just can't do it.

@KingJL25

4 жыл бұрын

I agree on that. Different tp brands (around the world) have different structures. Cutting the classic 1 or 2 sheet ultra thin and cheap school tp, you can literally look through it, might me harder to cut then cutting one of the fancy swiss extra soft 6 layer tp.

@kappablanca5192

4 жыл бұрын

KingJL25 switzerland has 6 ply tp?!

nice sharpening technique, but sadly you are slice cutting the toilet paper, not push cutting. I mean it is very difficult to slice cut a toilet paper, so you achieved great sharpness, but it is not push cutting what you are doing

Yeah…. That’s not a push cut..🤦‍♂️

dude your are not push cutting

Sharpening with wicked edge sharpening system , will push cut it , where do I send video to ? That system keeps the angles on each side close to perfect I can lay hair on the edge of my knife and it will cut it , steel I've sharpened was 52100 it does have really fine grain structure

@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929

4 жыл бұрын

I would probably just post it here on youtube and link it to him in the comments. Otherwise see if you can find a business email for him.

will you stea lfrom me like that time with the spoon shaving video without even mentioning me ? i can show you how to ...

@adksherm

3 жыл бұрын

Right....your mothers bush!

I've seen a video by some young buck that was a true push cut on toilet paper. I've got it stored somewhere, I think. I can try to fetch it for, say, a negotiable amount of time to talk to you on the phone (or a blade of yours), if the video is impressive to you, that is.

@lsubslimed

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, what? A downloaded vid by someone else traded for one of his knives? 😬

@COMB0RICO

4 жыл бұрын

You misrepresent me intentionally. Wasn't there a part about a simple phone call? Surely, I spent some effort in collecting videos I deemed important to myself. It is wrong to seek payment for my efforts?

@lsubslimed

4 жыл бұрын

COMB0RICO - I didn't mean to offend or misrepresent you, I was just a bit caught off guard that somebody would equate sharing a downloaded video that was freely shared in the first place and made by another person could potentially, be worth one of his knives, that's all. Of course, that's not up for me to decide, but it just sounded like it was asking for a lot in exchange for very little, at least the blade part of your original comment. Maybe I'm wrong though. Take care :)

@COMB0RICO

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Indeed the blade is worth far more. I wouldn't expect him to go for it. But it doesn't hurt to mention it as an alternative.

@zleggitt1989

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to write a rude condescending comment but I figure my time and effort are worth something so if you'd like me to roast you I'd gladly trade my roasting for compensation.

This guy always brags how he's the best knife maker and his knives are the best, if that were true he should have blown the competition away on forged and fire and won that show.but he didn't he lost, and later puts up a bullshit video with excuses about why he lost .all the Smith's had the same rules to go by, so there should be no excuses. He lost period, except it and move on, your not the best Smith, what you are is a legend in your own mind

@strwf

4 жыл бұрын

@Lumumba B. agreed

@bfflorida2311

4 жыл бұрын

@strwf, First of all using TV show to judge someone? Really?!!! 2nd that show is just like the rest of them SHOW BUSINESS. Next is the legend, best, etc. Titles...is just something that everyone and every business use, marketing strategy... Now talking about Mr.Carter ... look his professional history and it will tell you a few things.. is he the best?.. well, nobody can claim that since it is pretty much a personal opinion, so what you like the next person to you may not. Is that a bad product? Again back to opinions...so did he spent all his life making darn good knives (yes) does he have tons of knowledge (yes), was he educated by Japanese bladesmiith masters and given passage to continue their traditional blade making family tree (yes) .. etc.. so next time before you judge someone, do your research ... Nobody is perfect, but you should learn how to view things in life from different angles and not just single source / opinion .

@COMB0RICO

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree. I don't think he brags. The whole world knows where the best steel comes from.

@strwf

4 жыл бұрын

@@bfflorida2311 you didn't tell me anything that I didn't already know. I actually have his sharpening DVDs and his books and follow him on other social media . I'm not saying that he's not a good bladesmith. he is ,I guess I'm just tired of listening to everyone saying how there the best at this or that, and as for your comment about judging people,l think you just did that to me, assuming I only know of him through forged and fire. Don't assume anything about anyone. My comment is just my opinion

@COMB0RICO

4 жыл бұрын

Original poster is in reference to 0:35, I believe.