I have the 2010 Ralliart and I Love the car... but I wouldn't say anything bad about a WRX... they are fantastic as well. I have better summer tires than the stock ones, boost pill, high flow cat and dual cat back exhaust with a performance chip and it goes plenty fast for me :)

its funny cause none of the shit explained here matters. The Ralliart looks worlds better, and you don't see one at every fucking street corner. So sick of seeing WRX. There's 1 ralliart for every 20 WRX. same goes for evo / sti. The ralliart makes power so much easier, with a couple bolt ons and or tune, the ralliart is faster / as fast as evo.

@RalliartGT1

8 жыл бұрын

So true... WRX are scattered around like Mustangs in my area. I've seen less Ralliarts than Evos honestly.

Hmm, from all the things I've been reading/watching, it seems like: WRX > Ralliart STI < Evo

It sounds like the wrx tires won and the lancer tires lost. Thats what deals and monopolies get you.

@r3d3y3360

8 жыл бұрын

+Ko-wing wong i know they need to pony up a few bucks and run the same tires on the cars even a great car with shit tires wont perform

Did you buy the 08 or the 09? Also how do you like the car so far, im looking into buying one and im just trying to find some input

where did you come up that they are no longer offered in a hatch? they are still selling both hatch and sedan

If only the lancer had a manual option.

ralliart so handsome til now 2019

Why does the 2.5L 4 need a dual exhaust system?

I have owned a 2010 Ralliart for nearly 20k now. In a "real drivers" arena, this car was/is an underdog. I make WRX's look like they are running bad gas in Solo cones. On the same tires (Kumho XS) the Ralliart was not only a more grin winning car, but a faster one with a local consistent winner in the local SCCA Solo Stock club to his WRX. Though, he does bleed subie blue so it's no talking out of him. I'm just saying is all. Real World Comparo.

Ralliart vs WRX? WRX! EVO vs STI? EVO!

I didnt see any wheel spin so what makes you think better tires would help? 0-60 means a lot actually...

@xbxspartan it's got a dual clutch automated manual which is usually shifts faster than a manual. it's also the driver who decides when to change gears

@joshuagregorio the j spec sti has forged pistons whereas the US spec doesn't. also worth mentioning is the engine response on the j spec

idk man... dropped in a boostpill in mine and it's pushing 0-60 in about 4.8 secs...

in Oz, i can get the RaliArt for $39k and the soobie for $46, should I go for the Mitsu?

edmunds is really good! recently traded in a 02 impreza for an 09 wrx265 the new modle is much nicer, but there is more body roll/ soft suspension through the corner just doens't feel as natural the 02. it has more juice for sure. 1500km :)

What do you need to repair? I'm at 60k miles with my WRX, 40K at 'stage 4' and I've never had a problem. Repair cost on the suby shouldn't be an issue.

This vid looks great in High quality nice test

the lancer looks better and the subi it s the ami Edition? give the car in Europe too?

yup i agree did you see the suspension just sit down on its but as it accelerated off the line :O

so you just need to get better summer tires? plust new subarus are fugly, compared to old subarus and new mitsus

@stang4evr Does the ralliart come in manua?

@kb0x

4 жыл бұрын

No

I'll go with the Lancer. Hands down :)

I am not familiar with the eclipse sorry. We don't have that here in Australia. Australian sedan/hatch Mitsu range are Magna, Lancer and Colt only.

i work in an auto shop, and i just bought an 09 WRX (not sti). i freakin' love this thing. not only does it look good, but it drives amazingly. corners incredibly well. but i got to try and EVO out the other day and it was siiick. I can't wait to upgrade my car, but I've only got 120 miles on it. I need to break it in before I start messing around with it. Both companies make great cars, but if you're going to get a Lancer, go EVO not ralliart. wrx>sti way more mod ability w/ forkingcash

I would have consider a Ralliart if they had decided to offer a manual transmission. TC-SST is still an automatic in my book and nothing beats having a 3rd clutch. There's a reason why the WRX is more popular. It's cheaper, have manual transmission and faster just like what the video says. Evo GSR has it, but it's another class and out of my price range.

I think the new style looks great, i love my 2009 WRX

And automotive mags dont do that, unless a special test it's always about comparing what you would get pulling off the dealer lot to another in the same state. While lots of people tune their cars the idea is that theoretically the mfg has mated the best tires it can find for the car given the pricepoint so you want to compare the showroom presentation of each car. Once you change tires you might as well add some springs to the WRX which would probably add maybe an mph to the slalom time etc

@loweredtalon im not sure what place your going to , to get the lancer tuned, but after a ecu flash and a boost pill, the ralliart becomes a little more powerful than a ralliart. im not sure where your getting your info from. by the way that tune/ecu flash etc.. i was talking about brings it close to 300hp. so have a happy day ;)

how much would a ralliart (2009) cost today?

@skynation5538

7 жыл бұрын

Mr. Ruiz i found some 15k with low mileage but any higher than 100k mileage 10-8

Sorry but that WRX is one ugly bus! Id take the Ralliart on looks alone.

@Maskedman167

8 жыл бұрын

then all you would see is the subarus tailights

@buildmorefarms1007

8 жыл бұрын

Josh Winn Actually you are incorrect, the age old Ralliart has a 0-60 time of 5.4 seconds and is slightly quicker than the "new improved" WRX. The old WRX was far and away quicker than this newer one.

@Maskedman167

8 жыл бұрын

+buildmorefarms100 thats where your wrong lol motortrend got 4.8 sec 0-60 and car and driver got 4.7sec....slightly faster than the sti version for low end....so here is no way in hell stock for stock the ralliart can keep up

@buildmorefarms1007

8 жыл бұрын

Josh Winn You are quoting the old WRX with the 2.5 liter motor. The newer 2.0 is much slower. high 5's

@Maskedman167

8 жыл бұрын

+buildmorefarms100 why r u comparing 2015 wrx to the ralliart...this vid is about the 2009 and still the 2015 wrx hit low 5s 0-60

I don't track my cars often if at all so for me id never see the difference between the two. Sti handles well enough but I didn't need all that so im getting a WRX anyways. To each his own. I prefer the subaru but I do know that mitsubishi made the better performing car. I love subies but I do know the evo is one hell of a car.

is this the 2009 lancer ralliart?

They were at a real track. The slalom was done on a skidpad and the 1/4 mile was done on you guessed it, a Drag strip! The need a skidpad to do proper slalom and break distance specs that are fair. do you know a track that incorporates a properly spec'ed slalom? and break test? AND 1/4 mile from standstill? because I don't.

i've seen an sti tuned liberty (thats what the legacy is called in australia) it looks awesome, pretty cool cars for a family saloon i agree lol

09 WRX was everything the 08 WRX should have been! I just saw the 2011 WRX while getting an oil change and it badass!!! It comes with leather seats and the front flared fenders of the 08 STI. It looks great!

@92longj it beats the evo in price. but it handels softer than the evo and doesnt accelerate as fast. so what you're saying is that the sti beats the evo? how? in being more comfterable?. in that case, why dont you just buy a big, soft mercedes?

Why are people talking about the EVO and STI on a WRX vs RA video?!? You all know that there is quite a bit difference between the litte and big bros right?

Yup, it's made that way. If you want to make it fair. Why not make them both 2.0l right? Not enough? Why not race both lancer with 2.0l? You've seen ZR1 race the GTR and not much complained. Do you get what I'm saying?

i test drove both and would prefer the wrx :) i still think both cars (same as evo vs. sti) are close enough make it mostly preference.

@FormulaDStock The 2009 subbies came with 225, not 235. The 2011 is 235 now. The ralliart always had 215. That being said, aftermarket rims are pretty much a given in this type of cars so honestly what tires you start off with isn't that big of a deal...how wide of a set of tires you can squeeze in is. Both chassis can handle 255 tires with spacers without having to roll fenders. So yeah rather have a good AWD system that isn't easy to upgrade over rims which are.

Yeah, comes down to your price range. If you can afford an STi or EVO, get the EVO, if you can only afford a WRX or Ralliart, it's easily the WRX. But really unless you're really planning on doing a lot of track time, it comes down to personal preference being that the cars have the same purpose and do them well.

I found the Ralliart to be stellar but I am 6ft / 200lb and for me that seat was brutal. Unless you are a fair bit smaller than me that seat is like putting on shoes 3 sizes too small and it has inexcusably no adjustment. Celica’s had bolster adjustments 30 years ago, c'mon. Love the car but the seat is a deal breaker.

I think a closer battle would be if Mitsubishi used their 4B12 engine in the Ralliart rather than the 4B11. Then it would be a 2.5L vs. a 2.4L.

Life is too good to get worked up over fog lights. I would be surprise if Ralliart won't get improvements. WRX dominated Ralliart on every category of test. I guess the price was decided with neat technologies such as its transmission and awesome differentials. Too bad it didn't measure up to better numbers in tests.

The arguments on these videos are always quite over-the-top. Well done, Mitsubishi and Subaru fanboys-and-fangirls. I personally love WRXs, but hey, the Mitsu looks like a blast to drive, too. It's just a matter of personal opinion. In fact, the Legacy is MY personal favorite of any car. Not for speed of course, but just for being a good, well-rounded sedan.

@btsc1 yes but you can't say any nay say about the performance of these new breeds. I want one so bad.

not to mention how annoying the differential set up is in the eve compared to the STi

is the 09's intake manifold plastic????!!?!??!?!?! with a puny little intercooler lol and down graded brakes from the 06/07 still nice car though.

rather short?

Visually, both the WRX AND the EVO looked better before, the previous few models. The new looks are..something to get used to, while the older looks are just captivating. And more badass in my opinion.

i own a 09 wrx with spt exhaust which adds 10 ponies, and have driven all others in its class. the choice was clear!

@Egahm23 because 2liters is the limit for world rally races and it's kinda keeping with tradition...even if mitsu is out of the WRC.

@sortmasivci Sadly, the subbie is faster out of the box both in the straight and the turns. The mitsu will drive a lot better if you replace the tires (which you gotta do eventully anyways) then the subie in the turns however. The subie has pretty mush suspensions which is quite expensive to correct. The mitsu has crap tires, which is quite easy and something you gotta do anyways. The RA is just plain more fun in the turns.

GOOD For you

@akabane1984 not at all the sti have more power as u pointed out but how that power gets put to the ground makes all the difference the sti's hp rating is found at the flywheel where as the actual power at the wheels differs greatly as in the evo so where the manufacturer stats that its 300+ blah blah its in all actuallity less, the evo puts the power down more effectivly thus making it have more power at the wheels. idk what evo uve driven but X>STI all day every day

I did not & by the time you figure out what I did there, I'll be saying this. I didn't say that "4D63" are prone to failures, I said "4G63s". You see, 4G63s are more prone to failures than EJ20s in normal operation. Beef them both up & anything can happen. Btw, the new WRXs have 265bhp & the Ralliart Lancer (4B11) has 235bhp.

ah shit my bad bro....nvm then ralliart might be worse than wrx...but not evo.. what do you think would be better? Mitsubishi eclipse or ralliart??

Ouch. The suby is toe-ing the line with Saturn looks with those random body lines (especially in the tail lights). It looks good from the front but bummer over all :/

both cars are great!

Which is odd because a fwd Srt4 is 0-60 in 5.4 so ahhhhhhh lol

Hasn't always been, old Sti's are faster than old evo's, but when the second gen chassis came out evo's took over.

i still think the lancer is better because of the twin clutch system. it makes the difference when u drive and u dont have to change gears.. however you still can if you want to.

Um, how about no. Did you know the impreza is also the base for the outback? So you are suggesting there should ONLY be an STI and not an WRX or outback, etc. You buy what you need and what you can afford. The STI gets 20mpg or less where the WRX gets high to mid 20's, the outback is slightly higher. So there's that to think about too. Also, insurance is vastly different between the cars.

i got the premium package, and i'll be honest, the sound system still leaves a lot to be desired. but i don't plan on keeping the original anyway, so it's somewhat irrelevant to me

ya youre right.:)

I have made valid points, items you asked for. If you don't know the trim levels of Subaru WRX, I'll let you know. Base is includes standard items. Premium has the sunroof, 6 disc changer with speakers and heated seats. The STi has different engine and transmission components. Your writing reveals your maturity level, I understand now it was a mistake to engage you in intelligent conversation. Please join a forum like NASIOC and check your info before vomiting your bias here. Thanks.

Why do you guys test on a parking lot and not a real track???

I think the only reason the ralliart never came with a manual transmission is because would of compete against the evo that's the only reason the ralliart has its tune limited cuz of the tranny

@DWinzZz

5 жыл бұрын

evo mr had the same trans. Theres plenty of ralliart drivers that have the same power as evo drivers and the fastest 1/4 mile and half mile time ever set with the sst trans that the evo and ralliart share is set by a ralliart, but you're right because if the ralliart had manual im sure gsr sales would have been poop.

now while subaru drivers have richard burns and colin macre, you cant forget about tommy makinen, who won 5 times in the rally chamionship in a row, while the grand total for subaru's wins total to 2

why don't you just buy the STI or EVO versions of these cars?

agreed...I sorta felt like hurling many times during this video.

Awesome ... I love the Impreza .. maybe the Evo X Looks better , but with a Wide Body Kit on the Impreza .. it will look Pretty .

P1 was the best out of all imo

@gabos23 The new ralliart came with 245/17 tires and the WRX still ran circles around it. They just have no power at all to begin with.

Oh.. I'm not saying you can justify it... I'm just saying it goes around the track faster.. I think the STi looks friendlier... but it doesn't really matter... They're both amazing vehicles.. and i'd take either..

No, they even said the Tires are the BIG issue with the Ralliart.

so does the ralliart ....?

All in all, both the Ralliart and the Suby are very good cars. Theres no wrong choice. Both have their pros and cons. Its basically its your personal preference when it comes to buying one of these vehicles.

mitsubishi rules

I agree. Auto is dumb. Although the 6 speed twin-clutch gives the car insanely fast shifts, I'd still take the GSR 5 speed manual over the MR 6 speed auto.

the wrx has a 2.5 litre engine and the lancer has a 2.0 litre so i think its good that the lancer can keep up with a bigger engine. i personaly like the 08 lancer evo x more than the ralliant.

@akabane1984 FYI, the Ralliart has an Active Center and does not include yaw. You were referring to the Evo. But I just wanted to make the point since that's what the Subie fanbois always fall on. Don't try and skip the fact that even without AYC, the Mitsu AWD system as a whole still makes you sad.

Sorry, I was thinking more of the big difference in braking distances. Proper tires on the Ralliart would have closed that gap to almost nothing. I still believe the Ralliart would be a very fast car, faster than the WRX, in the corners and on a track with the right tires too. And 0-60 still means nothing.

Well auto isn't dumb, much more efficient than I'll ever be but it takes away from the experience. And that depends on the EVO like thats the newest gen.

Put tires of equal quality on both cars and run it again... Mitsu might not win, but it would be a helluva lot closer. I think the Ralliart is underrated, people knock it for the price but forget to mention that it's a technologically superior car that just needs better tires.

Yellow light is more effective when driving in snow. Don't know where you're from but if you see a car with yellow fogs in say... Florida, then yeah that's rice.

I agree...though the new 08+ Impreza isn't a very attractive car, even in it's fender flared STi form.

Im a fan of both the EVO and the STi. I dont know how someone can hate one and like the other. They are very similar to each other..like cousins. But like i said before, its your personal preference. But in my opinion the STi is a BEAST but a controlled one. The EVO on the other hand is basically a freak of nature (in a good way). The EVO is like that friend that has a really bad influence on you. It will make you push and push and do stupid things, that will leave a huge grin on your face

@91kient :D I love both cars for what they are, and would drive the STi over the Evo, just because I like the feel of the Sti... but then again, i haven't gotten the opportunity to drive the Evo... so I guess my opinion is sort of biased. Also, my comment was true. The Evo typically outperforms the STi..

@DOHCEJ22E1 I'll let my buddy that is both a NASA and SCCA racer (RallyX and Rally) know your thoughts since both his L and STi are currently down on power due to blowing smoke or in the process of having something serious rebuilt.

I forgot how ugly the 2009 WRX was. The facelift definitely helped

its the wrx sti that the hatchback

sorry i still go for the ralliart.. its so much more fun to drive. Yes i test drove both.

During the tests, the Subaru driver is better than the RA driver. ;) 2:53 Is it me or does it look and sound like the driver in the RA is pump braking while the Subie driver seems to do a one brake stop..?

lol My neighbors have 2 tricked out Ralliarts.

Handsome and agressive ralliart ftw!

@drummmnutt1 funny cause thats the complete opposite in the STi v EVO thing. Daily driving bad ass car = sti, want a broken back = evo

wrx is better but ralliart looks better :P also the ralliart is faster is it goes in straight line over time it gains cuz the TC-SST has lightning fast gear changes compared to the wrx which takes time to shift...