2005 Ingenium vs 2008 Champion 4

These toilets are both good performers but the Ingenium is the winner. The flush on it is also very good but the flush on the Champion 4 leaves stuff behind which is unacceptable for any toilet. If I flush a toilet after using it, I expect it to remove what I put in it in one flush. The Champion 4 takes multiple flushes to completely clear the bowl which is unacceptable like I said before. I respect your opinion if you like them but they are pieces of junk imo. Please let me know if you'd like to see any more tests on these toilets. Also I forgot to mention that neither of them have any mineral buildup.
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Ingenium Rating: (A)
Champion 4 Rating: (F+)
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A Ratings (Best of the Best):
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💎: Best Toilet/Urinal Ever
A+: EPIC
A: Amazing
A-: Awesome
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B Ratings:
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B+: Great
B: Good
B-: Decent
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C Ratings:
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C+: Tolerable
C: Mediocre
C-: Junky
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E Ratings:
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E+ Bad
E: Horrible
E-: Intolerable
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F Ratings:
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F+: Worthless
F: Appalling
F-: Absolute Trash
🖕: Worst Toilet/Urinal Ever

Пікірлер: 84

  • @ASF.Plumbing
    @ASF.Plumbing3 жыл бұрын

    The most iconic thing is I’m sitting on a Ingenium while I’m watching this video

  • @CARma193

    @CARma193

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol😂

  • @alecfrancis628
    @alecfrancis628 Жыл бұрын

    The Ingeniums & Hymont-trap Altos are 2 of my favorite 1.6- gpf toilets ever, since their nice, long, & swirly flush strongly reminds me of the good old 3.5+ gpf era, just with a shorter flush! I absolutely LOVE how the Ingeniums & Hymont-trap Altos both have great bowl rinse, really do their jobs well, & rarely ever leave stuff behind, even when you go #2 in them or if you don’t hold the handle down (without the flapper closing too soon of course)! So many modern toilets, like Kohler Class 5s/6s, Toto Drakes, 2000s AS Cadet 3s, 2000s AS Champion 4s, AS Cadet Pros/Champion Pros/Champion 4 Max’s, Westerns, Glacier Bays, ProFlos, Niza Pros, Niagara Stealths, & all PA (pressure assisted) toilets often have short flushes, very bad bowl rinse, leave stuff behind so much, & never really do their jobs no matter how many times you flush them, which is especially a problem when you take a huge dump in them!

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    Жыл бұрын

    Ingeniums are definitely one of my favorites

  • @alecfrancis628

    @alecfrancis628

    Жыл бұрын

    @@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations My friend, Sofia’s house has a 2000s elongated Gerber Maxwell & a round bowl 1997-2003 Kohler Wellworth Ingenium. One of my dad’s friends, Sridhar’s house has 2 2008-2014 elongated Kohler Cimarron Class 5s & 1 1999-2003 standard height elongated AS Cadet AquaForce! When I flushed the Cadet AquaForce & 2000s Maxwell, they had very long, good, & swirly flushes, even though I didn’t hold the handle down!

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alecfrancis628 Nice except for the Cimarrons.

  • @nickychannel6583
    @nickychannel65832 жыл бұрын

    9:21 is my Favorite!

  • @nicky5921

    @nicky5921

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's my favorite too!!! :)

  • @forever_3624
    @forever_36243 жыл бұрын

    It’s weird how the Ingenuim can’t take a dish towel, but it can take a dish towel, and a rag- 💀✋

  • @nicky5921
    @nicky59212 жыл бұрын

    7:44 Is also my favorite part

  • @mhtube01
    @mhtube012 жыл бұрын

    Interesting, that Champion doesn't seem to be flushing correctly with that flapper. My parents house has 3 Champion toilets and they have never clogged. Two are the original Champions from around 2005, although the original flush towers have been replaced with the newer Champ 4 valve. The other is an actually Champion 4 from 2013 so still a 1.6 gpf. At my house, I have a Champion 4 Max (meaning 1.28 gpf) and it works fine, but it's definitely inferior to the older Champions.

  • @dashflashplumbing8079
    @dashflashplumbing80792 жыл бұрын

    I like the ingenium honestly but just because it’s round I like the champion Sorry OCC plumbing if I offend anyone or you And that champion flush has to be ruined because my champion from 2008 flushes great and my ingenium does too (ingenium is fine)

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    2 жыл бұрын

    Your opinion doesn't offend me.

  • @nicky5921
    @nicky59212 жыл бұрын

    The Ingenium is a good performer Even if it didn't fail any Test In my opinion. All of those Ingeniums are better Then the champion 4.

  • @pinkcrochet8562
    @pinkcrochet85623 жыл бұрын

    These are both amazing

  • @CARma193
    @CARma193 Жыл бұрын

    That champion has a flushing error😂

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, those toilets were awful.

  • @zlurenke4911
    @zlurenke49113 жыл бұрын

    With the champion toilet it’s not it’s fault that they set the waterline low but it always need to be held or filled to the overflow tube

  • @cameraredeye3115
    @cameraredeye31153 жыл бұрын

    Should have done an elongated Ingenium just to make it more fair. Also more realistic tests, because these tests are very unrealistic. The Ingenium had an unfair advantage in this one.

  • @nicky5921
    @nicky59212 жыл бұрын

    9:21 Is my favorite part 7:37 Is also my favorite part

  • @xx_aubrey_gl_xx8337
    @xx_aubrey_gl_xx83372 жыл бұрын

    I love this.

  • @nicky5921
    @nicky59212 жыл бұрын

    I like the wellworths fill up sound of that fill value

  • @tomorrow7988
    @tomorrow79882 жыл бұрын

    2005 Kohler wellorth Ingenium is the best!!

  • @dianmanalo3280
    @dianmanalo32803 жыл бұрын

    You'll notice the flappers

  • @myverycooler1552
    @myverycooler15523 жыл бұрын

    The wellworth is beautiful but the champion 4 is sucks

  • @SCbusloverevelyn4247
    @SCbusloverevelyn4247 Жыл бұрын

    Ingenium > champion 4 performance wise

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed

  • @nicky5921
    @nicky59212 жыл бұрын

    The 2005 Kohler Wellworth ingenium Takes the win On these tests the ingenium is a better performer than champion 4 and the ingenium Is the better flusher I have a older Ingenium its the 1998 Kohler wellworth Ingenium !

  • @charlesrodriguez7984
    @charlesrodriguez79843 жыл бұрын

    Both are good imo but the ingenious takes the cake 🧁

  • @OhioAhhPlumbing
    @OhioAhhPlumbing10 ай бұрын

    Your toilet vs Turboflex toilet💀💀

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    10 ай бұрын

    Which is the Turboflex?

  • @OhioAhhPlumbing

    @OhioAhhPlumbing

    10 ай бұрын

    @@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations champion

  • @darfieldzone5309
    @darfieldzone53093 жыл бұрын

    I’m surprised for the results on these.

  • @lance2152
    @lance21523 жыл бұрын

    its dissapointing that an elongated toilet got outpreformed by a round toilet

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    3 жыл бұрын

    That typically happens with Kohler toilets for some reason

  • @cooperschwartz318
    @cooperschwartz3183 жыл бұрын

    Ingenious Ingenium wins

  • @eljersareamazing3954
    @eljersareamazing39543 жыл бұрын

    I may not like ingeniums but this one did great. The champion sucks

  • @none-xk9mn
    @none-xk9mn2 жыл бұрын

    YESSSSS! KOHLER WELLWORTH WON!

  • @mylesbuckley1229
    @mylesbuckley12292 жыл бұрын

    The first one

  • @jonathanproductionssenecha7710
    @jonathanproductionssenecha77103 жыл бұрын

    If clog then one toilet fails

  • @sonyfan6984
    @sonyfan69843 жыл бұрын

    I hate both of them but the Ingenium takes the win on this one.

  • @lance2152

    @lance2152

    3 жыл бұрын

    i thought you likes ingenoums

  • @mablepaynemp
    @mablepaynemp3 жыл бұрын

    the champion 4 is no match for the ingenium

  • @kohlerwellworth
    @kohlerwellworth3 жыл бұрын

    Were these the two worst toilets you had?

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    3 жыл бұрын

    No, They're both toilets that some people think are amazing so I decided to put them up against each other

  • @nickdrew7841
    @nickdrew78413 жыл бұрын

    to be honest both didn't do too good imo. the ingenium did better tho. i think they need to be tested with more real world type tests rather than grocery bags and rags imo to fully gage their performance.

  • @charlesrodriguez7984

    @charlesrodriguez7984

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoiletfrenzy same here

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    3 жыл бұрын

    But what would I use?

  • @charlesrodriguez7984

    @charlesrodriguez7984

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations hard clumps of dirt with loose dirt and 🧻

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoiletfrenzy My mom makes banana bread with those

  • @McPikeVHS
    @McPikeVHS Жыл бұрын

    Agreed

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    Жыл бұрын

    The Ingenium is definitely better

  • @nstrains4001
    @nstrains40019 ай бұрын

    Cedat 3 vs champion 4

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    9 ай бұрын

    I don't have either right now.

  • @nstrains4001

    @nstrains4001

    9 ай бұрын

    @@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations I have a cadet 3 but not a champion

  • @benwisely5962
    @benwisely59623 жыл бұрын

    I like the Ingenium better and I had one of my old house which was like a 2004 2005 model

  • @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    @OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @dexterthewulf3637
    @dexterthewulf36372 жыл бұрын

    The champion was ironically NOT the champion...

  • @erikbunty2016

    @erikbunty2016

    2 жыл бұрын

    I thought that could flush golf balls.

  • @erickmorton8085
    @erickmorton80853 жыл бұрын

    I prefer the champion

  • @richardedmiston3756

    @richardedmiston3756

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'll tell you something right now, I bought an elongated toilet for 100 dollars and it flushes better than Kohler or American Standard period.

  • @richardedmiston3756

    @richardedmiston3756

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoiletfrenzy Absolutely

  • @richardedmiston3756

    @richardedmiston3756

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoiletfrenzy what do you mean?

  • @richardedmiston3756

    @richardedmiston3756

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoiletfrenzy oh yeah, yeah sorry about that man.

  • @richardedmiston3756

    @richardedmiston3756

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thetoiletfrenzy It's a great flushing toilet man, can't go wrong

  • @andrewplumbingtoiletsandot1092
    @andrewplumbingtoiletsandot10922 жыл бұрын

    The champion 4 is American standard awful