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@ThisFinalHandle

Жыл бұрын

Asbestos has had coverups all over the world but the James Hardie case was particularly egregious.

@macaylacayton2915

Жыл бұрын

My usual Andrew Wakefield, definitely deserving of a video especially considering the ethical fails and fail at getting proper medical professional, a pediatric gastroenterologist not a psychiatrist

@macaylacayton2915

Жыл бұрын

@@ThisFinalHandle that too

@carmattvidz4426

Жыл бұрын

Have you considered doing a video on The Granville rail/train disaster of 1977. A crowded commuter train derailed, running into the supports of a road bridge that collapsed onto two of the train's passenger carriages. Granville remains the worse rail accident in Australian history with a loss of 83 dead. This accident also provide an important lesson in the treatment of people suffering crush syndrome. The main cause of the disaster was poor track upkeep and a track speed set too high for a curve. The poor upkeep combined with the high track speed allowed the rail to be push apart from the train bogie causing a derailment. As an Australian suburban train driver Granville still gives me nightmares.

@Irobert1115HD

Жыл бұрын

so who ever was responsible just ignored a mountain of evidence and fed cows with shredded brains.... no wonder that the disaster happened.

I can't be the only one who thinks forcing cows to be cannibals was a bad idea from conception, right?

@PlainlyDifficult

Жыл бұрын

Nothing good comes from canibalism

@zawwin1846

Жыл бұрын

No it was fine if they ate only the meat. The problem is the brain, blood, and other spinal fluids made in not so clean environment. The risk dramatically increases. Keep doing that for years and boom.

@Creepystalker102

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t be my first choice for a herbivorous animal, just sayin

@kayjay7585

Жыл бұрын

Seems to me like our intuitive disgust towards these cannibalistic practices is there for a reason...

@andrewnorrie2731

Жыл бұрын

PNG still has incidences of kuru acquired from eating infected brain tissue during cannibalistic funeral rituals.

My uncle worked in a butcher’s, and warned us not to eat beef, as cows were stumbling into the slaughter house and something was wrong. This was a few years before the media got wind of it.

@seanworkman431

Жыл бұрын

Amazing, the people on the ground knew something was wrong but money kept the whole charade going, as usual, then it's too late and ends up costing more.

@es68951

Жыл бұрын

@@seanworkman431 Basically the story of every Plainly Difficult production ever

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

@@es68951 It's the story of capitalism

@ThaTerrorr

Жыл бұрын

@@alienvomitsex tell me what happened in Chernobyl.

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

@@ThaTerrorr tell me what happened at Windscale and Three Mile Island and Fukushima

i am a 60 years old vet and microbiologist, i see this is a very scientific and informative analysis of the scandal, when politicians don't listen to professionals, this will happen over and over again

@Rompelstaump

9 ай бұрын

They know, but the money from cattle producers to do nothing was too much to ignore. Many politicians got fake jobs after they left office.

@joydot7620

9 ай бұрын

I recall an interview with a farmer during the worst of this - his theory was if people couldn’t see or taste it it was irrelevant! While govt dithered /downplayed someone at work who often trained to coast on weekends said they passed fields full of shaking cows.

I live in the US and a couple years ago while working as a nurse aide I took care of a 55 y/o lady dying of CJD. It's a horrific illness. She was scared and confused and hallucinating the whole time we had her, with her husband trying to grapple with the situation as well. It's sickening to learn how the government of the UK was aware of an outbreak to that extent and did nothing. It's easy to discuss it in an academic context like this until you remember that each person infected with CJD was a real person who suffered tremendously while their lives were cut short. I never knew the whole story behind this. All I knew was that blood banks here in the US often permanently defer people who lived in the UK for more than a couple weeks between the mid 80s and mid 90s. Thank you for this video, beautifully done and super informative!

@staraligned

Жыл бұрын

And yet strangely you and the rest of ignorant idiots forget how much the cows were suffering!! Who cares about the people if they were cruel enough to eat animals!!! They deserve it!!

@ShrexyGuy

9 ай бұрын

4.4 million cattle slaughtered and burnt in 2 years isn't nothing. They just weren't wanting a whole market, how thousands of people make money and live, to crash completely cause a disease that caused about 50 cases a year while they and scientists figure out the solution

@JoJubjub-kx8lp

9 ай бұрын

When it comes to giving a shit about the public, uk and us are hand in hand, not doing it Much

@joydot7620

9 ай бұрын

By sheer dumb luck this coincided with my vegetarian/living in London /restaurants were terrible period.

@Matoro2002

8 ай бұрын

I can confirm that some banks in canada do the same. my mom is barred from being an organ and blood donor where she lives because she had a lengthy trip in the uk in the early 90s

I'd be more surprised if forced cannibalism DIDN'T create some terrifying plight on humanity.

@PlainlyDifficult

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@kimmuckenfuss2284

Жыл бұрын

Yes, thank you.

@blackroberts6290

Жыл бұрын

iirc there is a tribe (idk if extinct, or true. grain of salt required) whose people were immune to prion diseases (like BSE-vCJD) after generations of eating each other

@nickbarber2080

Жыл бұрын

@@blackroberts6290 Other way around...there are tribes in New Guinea which are riddled with a form of CJD called Kuru which is spread by their practice of eating the brains of their dead relatives in the hope of inheriting their wisdom. Just say no,kids.

@stellathefoxgirl3648

Жыл бұрын

@@blackroberts6290 nah they aren’t immune, but despite cannibalism they usually never ate the brain or spine, those that did got sick with another prion and died- you can’t be immune to prions after all, they’re not a virus, not a bacteria, just a misfolded protein that you body begins to replicate

I was born in 1990 and when I was about five I asked my dad what BSE stood for. He said it was "Blame Somebody Else". It took me years to realise he wasn't serious.

@Sniperboy5551

Жыл бұрын

That’s a brilliant answer, not gonna lie

@bificommander7472

Жыл бұрын

"It's an SEP" "A what?" "Somebody else's problem." "Oh, good.'

@Calum_S

Жыл бұрын

I don't know, it seems like a pretty accurate summary of the government's attitude to this and most other matters.

@gorillaau

Жыл бұрын

​@@bificommander7472 What the NFG tag? It means Non-functional Gear. At least the clean version anyway, be prepared to switch if you need to.

@Javadamutt

Жыл бұрын

Just to scare everyone a little bit more but as you said eating infected meat was a spin on the wheel of death if it developed into CJD. From memory there are 3 variants, 1 of which being lethal. The other 2 variants are detectable in people in the UK today and it is theorised could become active leading a large rise in CJD deaths as the population who lived during that period ages. I’ve often wondered if there is a connection to this and dementia

In 2010, some of my friends and I chose Mad Cow Disease as the topic for research for a project about diseases in 5th grade. We went through a ton of effort: we actually got interviews with doctors, read medical journals, and made a whole skit to present it and its dangers. We won the award.

@laurenspicer3259

9 ай бұрын

That's cool! I wish I could have done something like that in school. It sounds like you really went all out on that project, especially considering you were in grade 5 at the time. Congratulations on the award. It sounds like you deserved it.

@kateemma22

9 ай бұрын

I'd love to see that skit.

@ynraider

4 ай бұрын

At college, early 2000s, they showed us the USA Midwest Mad Cow Outbreak from raw footage of "down cows" being cattleprodded into the slaughterhouse...The outbreak int he UK, likely started from the West Coast mink mad cow outbreak, that later spread to USA/UK sheep/cattle.(recycled mink brain tissue in protein feeds!) "Early Onset Dementia/Alzheimer's"(MAD COW) was projected to kill 10s of MILLIONS more, over next 75yrs, IIRC. More an "open secret" than a "coverup". Like the Ford Pinto-College Student Massacre. "Ethics of Engineering"; what an oxymoron!

@edwardcroce4193

2 ай бұрын

How do you dispose of a million cows

Growing up on a small dairy farm in south Louisiana, it hurts my heart to hear when these beautiful creatures are harmed. We treated our girls like the queens they were. "Happy cows make the most milk" is what my grandfather always said. I grew up always defending my family's little farm because people thought we let the babies starve while taking all the milk 😅. Which is so far from the truth as the mommas always came running and would push each other to be milked first. While getting milked, we would brush and give them treats. Once a month my grandfather would check their feet. We loved them so much. Each one was unique and liked different things. People dont realize cows are very smart and they each have their own personalities. They like music too. My grandmother used to sing to them at the fence and eventually most would come to see her... get a scratch here or a pat there. Then hurricane Katrina came and only 3 made it out alive. We lost our home and most of our animals. We took the remaining animals and moved to north Louisiana, where we still live today. Our last cow died in 2015 then our last horse in 2018. Rip my babies

@nerida3347

9 ай бұрын

You ever consider getting another cow for companionship?

@kobayashimaruu1

8 ай бұрын

cows are so good and sweet. just like sheep being sheared, milking a cow is harmless and is necessary for the animal's comfort! so sorry for your losses though, but it sounds like all your cows lived happy and full lives thanks to the care from your family. my neighbor has a few black cows who love to pretend they're wolves and howl at the moon lol, they're very silly and when I see them outside during the day, they'll stare at me hehe. they even have a lil baby! I don't get close to the fence when they're around so I don't freak them out, but I love seeing them living happy cow lives in their giant field.

@elijahisconfused

8 ай бұрын

im so sorry for their passing, especially the hurricane. im happy you took great care of them and gave them the lives they deserved

@UmatsuObossa

7 ай бұрын

Yep, vegan nutters refuse to understand just how much milk a dairy cow actually makes...they couldn't POSSIBLY feed it all to their baby, and being swollen with milk gets painful if no one removes it for them.

@diamondcreeper28

7 ай бұрын

#DAIRYISSCARY

A girl in my high-school died of CJD. She was a couple years ahead of me and I remember people describing it as if she died of alzheimers. Slowly she had more trouble in school and then very quickly she forgot how to get around the school and where her locker was. After that she stopped coming to school and eventually they said at assembly she'd died peacefully in her sleep. I guess that's what you tell a group of kids but... man it was just so sad we felt so bad for her family. God bless them.

@Handicrafti

Жыл бұрын

I can't imagine what her poor parents went through. My sister in law is currently dieing of cancer and my mother in law is struggling with that. I can't imaging when it's a kid and something like that :(

@texastea5686

Жыл бұрын

Omg poor baby girl!! I have a high school aged son, I can't imagine what she and her family went through...and her schoolmates seeing this too. How awful!

@texastea5686

Жыл бұрын

@@Handicrafti I'm so sorry, I work as a scheduler for scans that consist of cancer patients. We lose at least 1 pt a day, it seems...cancer sucks

@bunnyben5607

Жыл бұрын

Are you British?

@jessebrucepinkman9834

Жыл бұрын

That is so incredibly sad, I’m sorry to hear that 😢

I used to work in sterilization for surgical instruments. After a surgery with anyone with confirmed prions all instruments are thrown away and destroyed, it is too hard to fully and consistently kill/destroy prions.

@masterpython

Жыл бұрын

They will scrap an MRI machine that was used on a prion patient.

@ekfliu

Жыл бұрын

@@masterpython yeah the machine gets infected once it scanned brain with mad cow, very scary disease indeed.

@SupersuMC

Жыл бұрын

@@masterpython Yikes. 😰

@taylornezovich7552

Жыл бұрын

Dammmnnnn

@vincent67239

Жыл бұрын

@@masterpython Holy balls that’s expensive. I thought no parts of the MRI even touch you, though? Well, the most expensive parts, anyway

My dad died of vCJD in 2002. He went from the loveliest man and most dedicated father in the world to someone who couldnt recognise his children. He was 34. I had just turned 8 when he passed and I hated my birthday for years because I associated it with being in the hospital with him and him not knowing who I was. He died three months after he was diagnosed but honestly he wasnt the same person within a month.

@AgentClaytonWebb

8 ай бұрын

Sorry for your loss, Hon 💕

@lisascarrott6142

8 ай бұрын

condolences to you and your family ❤

@28ebdh3udnav

8 ай бұрын

My father died on my birthday and I still hate it 8 years later. Every years since, I put myself in isolation and I tell people not to talk to me

@mathildewesendonck7225

7 ай бұрын

I am so sorry for your loss 😭 I want to give you a big hug ❤ Best wishes from Germany

I was 10 when this was unfolding. It was terrifying. Terrified my mum into forcing the whole family vegetarian and to decline school meals even though she was a single parent on benefits during Thatchers Britain.

@Just_A_Guy_Here.

11 ай бұрын

I'm your 100th liker here & bye.

@Nitram4392

11 ай бұрын

Considering her life and the life of her familiy was at risk, I can't really blame her. Death is the ultimate price, that is rarely worth paying.

@thedoggo6618

10 ай бұрын

@@Nitram4392 Especially death by something so horrifying

@shisukanakashima

7 ай бұрын

Why do people think being vegan is so bad, I get it not everyone can be due to some health problems but there is a lot of delicious food that is vegan! You just have to open your mind a little

@a_34222

7 ай бұрын

​@@shisukanakashimaYou have to realize this was many years ago and vegan food wasn't that good (in taste). Also for many people it is not easy to stop eating what they like. You can compare it to taking away alcohol from an alcoholic (It's an exaggerated example) it's not that easy to quit and it's horrible when things are imposed on you :)

Lost a family friend to this years ago. He went from a healthy guy in his 40s to basically unresponsive and in need of hospice care in a matter of weeks.

@dogwklr

Жыл бұрын

Kinda like these days

@richcarrCCC

10 ай бұрын

Please accept my heartfelt condolences

@watermelonineasterhay

10 ай бұрын

Im very sorry, what year did he pass away? Its strange that so few people got it..but good!

"Scientists knew it was possible" Politicians: "It's impossible"

@kimmuckenfuss2284

Жыл бұрын

Yes, & my 1st reaction to watching this episode was to wonder why it's usually conservative politicians that are the ones who seem to care the least about public health issues. It's hard to imagine how those politicians live w/themselves...but they inevitably do.

@gemfyre855

Жыл бұрын

"Scientists don't know yet if it's transmissible because the research is ongoing, so I guess it's not transmissible until such time as they say it definitely IS." That seems to be most politicians grasp on how science works.

@solandri69

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmuckenfuss2284 "wonder why it's usually conservative politicians that are the ones who seem to care the least about public health issues." That one is pretty easy. - When you assume something is safe, but turn out to be wrong, then the negative consequences are directly attributable to you. Conservatives are usually resistant to change, so tend to err on the side of assuming there isn't a problem until it's proven that there is. And when they turn out to be wrong, the consequences of those problem are directly apparent and attributable to them. - When you assume there's a problem and force a change to address it, but it turns out there was no problem, a lot of times it's impossible to prove that there wasn't a problem. People will attribute the lack of a problem to the change which supposedly solved it, when in fact it was just a waste of money and there wouldn't have been a problem even if you'd done nothing. Liberals tend to be quick (sometimes too quick) to discard old ways and assume there's a problem. But unlike conservatives, when they're wrong it's difficult or impossible to prove it. So the cost of their error ends up being just a general drag on the economy (lower GDP, lower standard of living) due to the cost of their unnecessary mitigation measures. So the difference between the ease with which you can assign blame when there is a problem, and difficulty in proving that there wasn't a problem, is what causes conservatives in general to appear more heartless. Economically, the liberal approach does result in a worse economy (GDP per capita of the U.S. is substantially higher than EU nations which aren't into banking or oil exports) and thus lower standard of living. I mean if you implemented a policy which reduced everyone's income by 25% (difference in GDP per capita of Germany vs U.S.), people would scream bloody murder. But it's a lot harder to directly blame liberals for 25% lower incomes because of their tendency to overreact to problems, while it's easy to directly blame conservatives for something like CJD because of their tendency to be slow to react to problems.

@kimmuckenfuss2284

Жыл бұрын

@@solandri69 look...I don't want to dive into a back & forth over politics..I really don't. I will say that I live in a state that is solidly Republican (a.k.a. "red" state). The only health care I could qualify for was gynecological/family planning & they would not cover anything else. I'm in my late forties...why TF would I be interested in "family planning?" I asked WHY was that so...& was told because our Governor wouldn't accept money from Federal govt. that would have allowed for more health care coverage for citizens of my state. I ended up getting Obamacare. Also, if it weren't for Obamacare, I'd be screwed, because that's what I'm on now. Only Dems have ever shown interest/initiative in trying to find universal health care coverage for citizens. All Republicans wanted to do was say NO, & they wouldn't even think about trying to formulate any type of health care plans for citizens. This is why I initially said what I said. I said it from first-hand knowledge/experience. I've had some health problems that have popped up this year. If I didn't have any insurance, I shudder to think what would've happened.

@zetectic7968

Жыл бұрын

Not quite. Thatcher was a trained scientist/Chemist. It was all about limiting the compensation paid to farmers. There has been a similar situation with dealing with Bovine TB and the failure to control it by just concentrating on culling badgers because too many farmers will not accept that they are a large part of the problem (Again the compensation payment to farmers for having an infected cow slaughtered has been an issue)

I lived in rural Devon. It was hideous. I too was a vegetarian already by then. But I LITERALLY walked past the burning bodies on the way to school. Twice a day, everyday, we had to hold our breath and run. My family friends parents lost everything. It was and still is a traumatic scar on my memory. Bee, from a dark and wet corner of Lancashire.

@matthewclear8547

Жыл бұрын

The pyres were for Foot and Mouth cows not BSE. Grim to see and experience none the less.

@osteopathichomeopathicking6154

Жыл бұрын

Funny, being a vegetarian isn't going to save you from Listeria, and E. Coli.

@Rotem_S

Жыл бұрын

@@osteopathichomeopathicking6154 yeah, it also won't save you from being hit by a car. It's almost as if vegetarianism isn't about not getting hit by cars.. No it can't be it, the silly vegetarians obviously would never think of that

@suelawson7273

Жыл бұрын

I stopped watching the news from that point on. The pictures were horrific. All down to man's unnatural husbandry ☹

@osteopathichomeopathicking6154

Жыл бұрын

​@@Rotem_S Absolutely believable, going against millions of years of ancestral eating habits, and relying on plant foods that've only been farmed for a few thousand years & most of which are chalk full of poisonous lectins, never mind glyphosate. There really isn't any thought behind becoming a vegetarian.

About 3 years ago, a lifelong friend of mine died from CJD. He was in his 60s, very healthy and active. From first symptoms, it took about 4 months to kill him. He was in hospital those last few weeks. It still exists and it's still here. This case is from the USA, BTW. Western USA.

@elizabethsohler6516

11 ай бұрын

My mother knew a lady whose husband died from CJD. I don't remember when. I live in the US also.

@watermelonineasterhay

10 ай бұрын

It can happen at random due to a rare genetic mutation, as well as exposure to BSE material. Terribly sorry for your loss :(

@salamantics

7 ай бұрын

@@watermelonineasterhayunfortunately. If i recall correctly it’s called variant CJD if it’s caused from BSE or Kuru disease. (Might just be called kuru disease in the latter case) and develops slightly differently.

Poor Farmer Stent. You know he was like "Could we NOT name this disease after my farm?" 😭

@dx1450

Жыл бұрын

Look on the bright side, he also has an artery-opening procedure named after him, too.

@revenevan11

Жыл бұрын

@@dx1450 lol, good point! Very eponymous individual, it would seem 😅

@JoshSweetvale

Жыл бұрын

@@dx1450 No, that's a scaffolding term.

@kennethnormanthompson2740

Жыл бұрын

Evilempryss: Yeah, it should have been named "Thatcher Disease".

Vet: "I'm going to name this disease Stent Syndrome!" Farmer Stent: "Could you not?"

Prions diseases are always so interesting to learn about. It's scary knowing there's no way to cure them

@DieAlteistwiederda

Жыл бұрын

Even scarier that the incubation time apparently can be up to 40 years which is why even today if you have been to the UK for all together 6 months from 1980 to 1996 you can't donate blood in a lot of countries. Which makes sense because they still don't have any cheap effective tests to make sure the blood is safe from that and CJD can't be transmitted.

@CharChar2121

Жыл бұрын

It's scary to know that they're just a weirdly folded protein that can make other proteins fold weirdly. Like, how the fuck does that even work?

@davidconner-shover51

Жыл бұрын

@@CharChar2121 certain scaffolding proteins help shape the new protein string as it exits the cell nucleus, if one of those scaffolding proteins is misformed, it will force the new protein into the wrong shape if it is a similar protein. The shape of a protein is almost everything in it's function usually there are processes within the cell to destroy a badly mishapen protein and recycle its components, but if the shape has been tweaked just a bit, it may continue on being mostly functional, but not quite fully right, yet still pass muster to not be broken up. Part of the reason why prion diseases take so long to be noticed, is that many of these almost useless but still hanging around and affecting new protein formation, accumulates, eventually clogging up the cell works. The cell commits apoptosis, spreading these around some more. Prion disease often strikes older people as time allows a single accidental misfolded protein, either through pure accident, or brought in from outside the body does its slow damage. This is the main reason nature generally frowns on cannibalism. especially with older animals being consumed

@howardsimpson489

Жыл бұрын

@@davidconner-shover51; Human cannibalism has already proved this point. Kuru in Papua New Guinea. Another weird human behavior with the usual results. How we can call ourselves sapiens beats me.

@davidconner-shover51

Жыл бұрын

@@howardsimpson489 I was carefully avoiding this point

I remember Mad Cow disease scare in the US years later. My family wasn't concerned as much because we raised our own cattle and fed them with corn and marsh grass

@augustoof13

Жыл бұрын

Self raised cattle just tastes better. And the lack of Mad Cow is good too lol

@asmrtpop2676

Жыл бұрын

No one needed to be very concerned after the initial scare as it is quite a simple solution: don’t eat beef or eat your own beef.

@krashd

Жыл бұрын

@@asmrtpop2676 Well they did because it was discovered that we Brits had been covering up the scale of the outbreak for up to 10 years, so why would anyone refuse to eat British beef before the scandal broke in the 90's? You were likely already infected by that point. We will likely never know the extent of the outbreak as most people dying from the disease even today tend to get misdiagnosed (purposely or as a cover up?) as having dementia or other vascular disease.

@ynraider

4 ай бұрын

@@krashd At college, early 2000s, they showed us the USA Midwest Mad Cow Outbreak from raw footage of "down cows" being cattleprodded into the slaughterhouse...The outbreak in the UK, likely started from the West Coast 'mink mad cow outbreak', that later spread to USA/UK sheep/cattle.(recycled mink brain tissue in protein feeds!) "Early Onset Dementia/Alzheimer's"(MAD COW) was projected to kill 10s of MILLIONS more, over next 75yrs, IIRC. More an "open secret" than a "coverup". Like the Ford Pinto-College Student Massacre. "Ethics of Engineering"(the mandatory course); what an oxymoron!

I remember the conversation circa 2000... "How could this happen with all of the advances we've made as a civilization?"... Meanwhile the background curtain parts, showcasing the industry practices... "Oh, right. Nevermind". John, you never fail to deliver.

@alexlents4689

Жыл бұрын

Modern-day bias always has been, is, and always will be nonsense

@ArtCurator2020

Жыл бұрын

As an American, I would suggest that "all of the advances we've made as a civilization" on both sides of the Atlantic have been for the sole benefit of the Rich & Powerful. Didn't you hear him say that Thatcher approved serving "no nutrition" meals at schools ? Part of that was made possible by scientific and technological advances that enabled the processing of slaughter house garbage into "no nutrition" school lunches for children. Even without this BSE issue, what they were doing was feeding children Fake Food. How treacherous is THAT ?

@JoshSweetvale

Жыл бұрын

"We changed all these things from how it's worked for 50.000 years, why is it all going wrong _now?"_

@davidpalk5010

Жыл бұрын

The most obvious advances made as a civilization might be multiple ways of wiping out humanity altogether - mostly in the pursuit of profit and power.

I raised sheep as a kid, and to think that they saw something like scrapie and didn’t put in place similar measures as sheep owners did is astounding to me. All sheep (in the US, at least) are required to have a scrapie tag - basically a permanent ID earring - that tracks where the sheep originally came from. This is important because it can take as long as 5 years for the disease to show up, so the number can be used to track down the original owner - and that owner will almost certainly have to entirely rebuild their breeding stock. All those animals are seen as infected, and all other sheep they may have been in contact with over the years are at risk. Even though it hasn’t made the jump to other animals, that doesn’t make it any less serious if a disease - especially since the more chances you give a disease to mutate and change, the more likely one mutation will get lucky someday.

@lathyrusloon

10 ай бұрын

I wonder if things like the scrapie tags are Because of incidents like this one, or if the practice was already in place. Also I have to ask. Do your sheep go after snakes like cows do? Slurping them up like noodles, I mean.

@cassied.6731

10 ай бұрын

@@lathyrusloon I wasn’t sure so I looked into it a little bit, and it looks like in the US it became required for sheep that are sold (and often, while not legally required, still considered good practice for breeders or required at shows) in 2000. It was also in response to an international group requiring scrapie be taken care of in some way. I couldn’t whether it was in response to incidents like this one with cows, but from what I’ve seen the disease has only ever made it to humans because of cows - though from what I’ve seen scrapie may have been the reason that cows got mad cow disease, because they were fed with bits of infected sheep. I’ve never really seen my sheep interact with snakes, but because their mouths are a lot smaller and their lips really aren’t made for suction or doing that level of holding food, they wouldn’t really be able to go after a snake with anything other than their hooves. Which is honestly a little disappointing - I’ve seen sheep fight each other before, and watching a sheep ram into a snake and send it flying could only be funny. This is a bit of a side note, but sheep are literally made to slam their faces into things they don’t like - their skulls are actually extra thick and hard on their foreheads to the point that they can take a point blank shotgun shot to it and be relatively fine - at least, much more fine than they have any right to be. It’s also why you have to train up your rams (that’s the uncastrated males) well, because they can kill people. Sheep feel like they should be too sweet and fluffy to kill people, but they can, and they do it anime face-off style.

@lathyrusloon

10 ай бұрын

@@cassied.6731 interesting! Haha Now I'm imagining a ram headbutting a snake looney toons style, and it is hilarious. 🐍🐏💨 Humans underestimate a lot of animals. I remember my grandma explaining to my cousins why Dorothy and her family were so panicked that she fell into the pig pin in Wizard of Oz. Apparently she had a childhood friend that lost an arm to a pig. Grandma never pulled punches when it came to gruesome descriptions, and I was 5, so I definitely never looked at pigs the same way. Haha

@anna_in_aotearoa3166

9 ай бұрын

The back-country NZ KZread channel "Angry Ram" was highly educational to me in terms of realizing how wide a range of things an aggressive sheep will attack, and how fast and persistent they are about it!! 😳 (I'd been brought up in the country, but mostly not on sheep farms, so hadn't encountered that particular attack phenomenon before...?)

@Ava-cq1zi

8 ай бұрын

@@lathyrusloon dude I never understood that scene, thank you!

Feeding his daughter the beef definitely sends a hell of a message

@jplouthelgm5156

10 ай бұрын

Yes, that politics is especially attractive to soulless ghouls.

@ynraider

4 ай бұрын

Cigarette company CEO forced his kids to smoke. His son died of a related cancer. The father had the medical studies proving that cigarettes cause cancers. This was in the USA, 1950s...

The craziest part about this whole disease is really that a glitch in a protein causes itself to replicate. Like proteins are known to be able to do all kinds of crazy stuff chemically speaking. But causing a protein to change form to become itself again is such a freak accident.

@suzyq53511

Жыл бұрын

No that's what happens when u eat brains of ur own kind

@qdaniele97

10 ай бұрын

There are chemical reactions where the final product acts as catalyst for the same reaction that produced it. That's basically what's happening with prions.

@TapOnX

10 ай бұрын

Like an act of an evil god

@Apple_Beshy

9 ай бұрын

​@@TapOnXNo 💀 It's just science

@TapOnX

9 ай бұрын

@@Apple_Beshy Nah. Science gave us electricity, vaccines, birth control, antibiotics. It wouldn't do such a horrible thing

A NOVA documentary about this came out when I was in high school in 1998, and it gave me nightmares for years. Prions are horrifying. What always stuck with me is that once tools have been used to autopsy a case of suspected CJD, they're permanently contaminated. There is no way to properly sterilize them. Even radiation doesn't destroy prions.

@davidpalk5010

Жыл бұрын

And yet very few of us are vegan...

@FunSizeSpamberguesa

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpalk5010 There's no risk of it outside Britain, and probably none in Britain since the 90s. What I would never eat is venison, because deer can have Chronic Wasting Disease, which is a prion disease. While there have been no known cases of it transmitting to humans...I'd rather not risk it.

@davidpalk5010

Жыл бұрын

@@FunSizeSpamberguesa Interesting... All educated and rational people know that meat consumption has some pretty hefty negatives attached - general health, zoonotic diseases, environmental destruction and ethical dilemmas, and that meat is not at all necessary for full and effective human nutrition. Yet, many of these otherwise rational people contine to consume it. Cognitive dissonance is an interesting phenomenon, as is the power of marketing.

@FunSizeSpamberguesa

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpalk5010 "educated and rational" people realize that human beings are built to be omnivores, and it's pretty difficult to meet all your nutritional needs -- especially to get a sufficient amount of protein -- without consuming meat occasionally. Dairy and eggs are both decent sources, but if you're lactose-intolerant, dairy's out. Most people don't consume anywhere near enough protein in their daily diet because they're unaware just how much they ought to be eating. Yes, there are protein supplements, but ideally you should get the bulk of your nutrition through actual food.

@davidpalk5010

Жыл бұрын

@@FunSizeSpamberguesa LOL! Really? "Protein tho" - a dumb argument that we hear trotted out all the time, but here goes yet again... The strongest animals on earth, with the greatest muscle mass, are ALL herbivore. Where do they get their protein? Mountain gorillas, elephants, rhinos, bison, shire horses (even the really big horses eat no meat!), angry hippos, raging bulls, etc., etc. Where do I and my vegan friends get protein? Well, Aldi and Lidl usually. Fact is that the only food group with particularly low protein is sweet fruit. Nuts, pulses, grains and legumes are high in protein. Veg curry with rice and a pupadum anyone? British Dietetic Association (and the US equivalent) states that a diet free from animal products can be absolutely complete and healthy for all stages of life, including infancy, pregnancy, lactation and old age. Most people consume too much protein which is one of the reasons why 60% in Britain are over weight. Natural indiginous diets (that most of us now have little experience of) are mostly "plant based" which is 90% or more calories from plant sources. Go to South East Asia and see what's eaten there. It's only very recently in our history that animal products have become staples, and where the western/processed/meaty/milky diet spreads to, obesity soon follows, along with heart disease, diabetes and previously unseen cancers. Historically, dining mostly on meat and dairy was solely for the bloated rich - like obese Henry VIII with his putrid, bandaged ulcers - or enormously fat and gout-hobbled Queen Victoria. The only thing vegans miss is vitamin B12, which comes from excrement and humans used to get from unhygenic living. Rather than not washing my hands after having a poo (the natural B12 option), I have Marmite and other fortified foods (my regular oat milk, tofu, orange juice, brekkie cereal and chocolate are all B12 fortified) for B12 without even having to think about it. B12 is also a bit of an anti-vegan myth because B12 deficiency in carnists is common. We should all eat Marmite! Oh, and dairy. About half the world's population is lactose intolerant (hence no Taiwanese cheese or Ugandan yoghurt!) so its relentless promotion here as an "essential health food" was just more industry lies. No meat since '83. Not perfect, but I'm doing my absolute best. So, so glad I never ate that filthy, infected beef...

One of my family members was unfortunately one of the victims of VCJD. I wasn't born yet when he passed away, but it's still a scar in my family tree, and most of my family blame the govt. for being incompetent. Thanks for shedding light on this!

@platinumnoodle

Жыл бұрын

They weren't simply incompetent, they were downright maliciously choosing profits over life.

@ArDeeMee

Жыл бұрын

Sympathies for your loss. I was in elementary school back then, watching the shitstorm from the relative safety of Germany. There was quite a bit of hassle making sure our beef products had never even breathed British air. =X

@westhoop

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

@sullacicero2610

Жыл бұрын

Don’t eat cheap meat.

@rridderbusch518

Жыл бұрын

Sorry about your relative. Another victim in the USA was my spouse's best friend's uncle. He had traveled widely. It was a long drawn out death. Horrible. Horrible!

The irony in that by trying to protect the British beef industry they effectively completely destroyed it

@alexanderplatzberlin3940

7 ай бұрын

There are some benefits in the division of labour and free trade … .

@user-cw3wm9lx7w

4 ай бұрын

yep

My cousin died from this, it was awful to watch her to decline. No cure, nothing we could do

@ynraider

4 ай бұрын

At college, early 2000s, they showed us the USA Midwest Mad Cow Outbreak from raw footage of "down cows" being cattleprodded into the slaughterhouse...The outbreak in the UK, likely started from the West Coast 'mink mad cow outbreak', that later spread to USA/UK sheep/cattle.(recycled mink brain tissue in protein feeds!) "Early Onset Dementia/Alzheimer's"(MAD COW) was projected to kill 10s of MILLIONS more, over next 75yrs, IIRC. More an "open secret" than a "coverup". Like the Ford Pinto-College Student Massacre. "Ethics of Engineering"; what an oxymoron!

A workmates sister became so deranged they had her sectioned to a mental hospital where they diagnosed her with this. She was dead in 4 weeks in the time leading up to her being detained she alienated almost all of her family. Her family said she was the kindest person they ever met and she had young kids.

@vidjenko8349

Жыл бұрын

Fuck man, imagine keeping your sanity with holes forming in your brain.

@fishsmell3939

Жыл бұрын

@@vidjenko8349 I'd totally murder suicide before I let them lock me up.

@texastea5686

Жыл бұрын

😭

@pilot778spartan3

Жыл бұрын

Damn

@SwizzleDrizzl

Жыл бұрын

That's so sad :(

As the son of British Expats and having spent more than 6 non-consecutive months in the UK during the crisis, I am actually banned from donating blood in Italy, where I live even if I have never resided in the UK. It was explained to me (by the hospital who banned me) that in the UK they use an additional filtration which is deemed too expensive to use in most other countries due to the low number of people who get banned. This is particularly disappointing in Italy because they do give you some very nice Salami sandwiches after you give blood.

@PlainlyDifficult

Жыл бұрын

That’s a shame!

@JohnnyAngel8

Жыл бұрын

Whenever I donate blood in the US, a question on the intake form is whether or not I lived or visited the UK during this time period.

@rubiconnn

Жыл бұрын

*Immigrants*, not expats.

@mattiemathis9549

Жыл бұрын

I was in Germany in the early 90’s. I’m not allowed to donate in the US…

@PuJitois

Жыл бұрын

@@rubiconnn If the parents were British living in Italy, to another Brit they'd be expats.

My sister died from vCJD in 2016 aged 59. She was at the time a vegetarian but hadn't always been so it must have lain around from years ago. She became ill and died in just a few weeks. I didn't see it because we hadn't seen each other for years, but the account I heard was harrowing.

@lyricsdomatter

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry for your loss

@juanmccoy3066

Жыл бұрын

VCJD has an incubation period for up to 50 years. She could have eaten infected meat when she was a little girl then died decades later.

@MrAtaylor84

Жыл бұрын

Also remember that it is not just meat products, proteins and meat extracts were also used in pharmaceutical products,such as certain vacancies in the 1970s and 1980s

@personneinexistante8413

10 ай бұрын

​@@ithecasticwtf dude why do you feel the need to say that

@tescoshortage

10 ай бұрын

@@ithecasticWhat you’re essentially saying is “I don’t like vegetarian foods. Therefore, all other vegetarians must not like vegetarian foods. In turn, vegetarians must like the taste of meats and do in fact eat meat.” and that’s just not true. It’s not an opinion, it’s a straight up lie.

I went to college in the early 2000’s with a young woman who had come from London to study to be a teacher. She absolutely would not consume anything that came from a cow- beef, milk, you name it. She drank goat milk instead. I always figured it was just that she didn’t like beef, but she later shared that her uncle had died from BSE that he contracted from UK beef in 1997. Can’t say I blame her!

my grandpa was a practicing farm vet during the whole fiasco, he absolutely adores cows but because of the outbreak he had to put down countless cows, my dad and his siblings have said that in their entire lives, they have never seen him as distant and dejected as he was during that period edit: can people please stop assuming that grandpa just cared about money or that he doesn’t really care about cows when he does, i said in another comment that he refused to work with farmers who mistreated their animals, in fact he tried to get the authorities involved several times to save the animals from mistreatment, he worked to ensure all farm animals, but especially cows, to live the happiest and healthiest they could be, even moving to australia at one point to spread his influence in doing what’s best for the animals, grandpa was heartbroken from the disease because he hates seeing animals suffering, especially if they’re cows and he is unable to do anything to help them, plus, he legally had to put down the cows with the disease, he was literally unable to refuse without punishment

@lindalumae

Жыл бұрын

I can’t imagine how difficult that was. As a young girl I worked for a vet and I would accompany the vet tech to the shelter to put dogs down. I adore dogs and it really broke my heart. This was back in the days where the dogs were held for 3 days and then killed. No fostering or rescues were around. Some were just puppies, others were clearly lost family pets. I cried the whole time and pled with the tech to give them another day or let me try to find a home but there was no reprieve. I did it twice and then refused. It still bothers me 40 years later.

@jjradV

Жыл бұрын

Linda,so sorry you had to experience that. Are you vegan ?

@mrcaboosevg6089

Жыл бұрын

@@jjradV Irrelevant

@jjradV

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcaboosevg6089 certainly is not !

@jjradV

Жыл бұрын

@@auroraice9360 I never asked you about your diet ?

I began my graduate school working on BSE/nvCJD/Scrapie in 1989. I was horrified by the reaction of the UK government. We told them at the time that this was going to blow up and kill lots of people. Nothing ever changes...

@PlainlyDifficult

Жыл бұрын

Sadly true

@AirQuotes

Жыл бұрын

That's the tories for ya

@PMA65537

Жыл бұрын

"kill lots of people" is regrettable but nevertheless distinguishable from "might kill lots of people".

@forevercomputing

Жыл бұрын

Sounds familiar, eh?

@vomeronasal

Жыл бұрын

@@forevercomputing Indeed.

John Gummer feeding his kid a beefburger tells you everything you need to know about politicians.

In early 2003 I worked as a carer in Portsmouth, uk. I was made to sign a statement that forbade me from talking about certain patients conditions. Those people all suffered from CJD. There was a cluster of such patients around Portsmouth. I was a carer both in the private sector and later was employed by the city council . Their policy about these patients was the same: "keep our mouth shut" I stopped working as a carer in 2011. People were still suffering from this terrible desease.

@MsVanorak

10 ай бұрын

now that's interesting because i always wanted to know what it looked like on a map! who and where

@catboyedgeworth2469

10 ай бұрын

i just googled it, and the internet claims the last uk case was in a cow in 2004. the idea that human cases have happened since then, and they're just not reporting it, is terrifying. enough to make me want to cut beef out of my diet completely.

@MsVanorak

10 ай бұрын

@@catboyedgeworth2469 well - that's what i was wanting to know sort of. was it a couple of animal feed mills using the wrong meat and bone meal in their products and how widely did they distribute. then you have the local butcher buying local cattle versus the national supermarket distribution system. since then all cattle are traceable as individuals through their whole life by their ear tag/passport.

My great uncle died of CJD in 2012. All members of my family, including me, are French. The three generations after my great uncle are now banned from donating blood. Thank you for this video, I know understand how the disease work because my crazy family was making terrible theories of my uncle's wife poisoning him to inherit his money. They never gave me rational explanation and I kinda hate them for purposely hiding things from me, lying and being generally histerics. Basically, he became a vegetable in hospital, incapable to do anything physically and mentally. I'll double check what I eat now...

@texastea5686

Жыл бұрын

That's terrible Marie....and for his wife too tobbe accused of such a thing. =(

@marietasca8373

Жыл бұрын

@@texastea5686 Thank you for your kind words. I'm fine, I just wish I could have known my uncle better. He lived in the east of the country, while I live in the south-west. Only my mom has kept contact with my aunt, who's obviously innocent. I'm confident I'll see her again, and my cousins too someday.

@angelachouinard4581

Жыл бұрын

That's so sad for your uncle and his wife as well as for you. People will believe some strange things when they don't understand a disease, as we have have all seen the past couple of years. Good luck in seeing your aunt and cousins.

@marietasca8373

Жыл бұрын

@@angelachouinard4581 Thank you for your comforting words ! Yes, my family tends to overreact when they face any problems, so they can't use their brain to actually educate themselves. My great grandma was very protective of her children and I think she never totally accepted that her son became an adult and moved away from her too. So, she behave even more irrationally. My mom shielded me from the mess at the time but apparently, some family members found a way to create drama at the funeral. At least, if this story is sad, it taught me to stay calm and to learn as many things as I can. And I'll try to get back in touch with my cousins and my aunt. It's been 11 years since I saw them.

@angelachouinard4581

Жыл бұрын

@@marietasca8373 Bon chance Marie!

ooh i remember learning about cjd in my pathology class! in the funeral industry it's like the boogeyman that no mortician wants to touch with a ten foot pole. my professor even lost a mortician friend to cjd after his friend agreed to do an embalming on a different cjd victim before anyone knew embalming is ineffective against it. thankfully, there are now specific rules in place to protect against potential infection. prion disease is no joke!

@Tybold63

Жыл бұрын

Cremation should be mandatory on CJD victims.

@phillipsmiley5930

Жыл бұрын

If prion disease is real? how come we arent all dead?

@fresanegra77

Жыл бұрын

@@Tybold63 I don't think that would work at all since extreme heat is needed to destroy the prion

@Tybold63

Жыл бұрын

@@fresanegra77 maybe so but probably somewhat safer anyway

@fresanegra77

Жыл бұрын

@@Tybold63 I believe it's a no and yes because probably some idiot will spread their dead relative's ashes and get CJD or let the prions into the wild

I grew up in rural Tennessee on a dairy farm that swap to a beef farm when I was ten years old. I remember being worried that our cows would get mad, so I sang and read to them while they were being milked to keep them happy. My grandfather tried very hard to explain the situation to me, but he gave up and just let me sing and read. I was a little bit stupid 😂 My brother said the cattle did seem happier and they'd run to me whenever they saw me. In all honesty, I still sing when working with our livestock. I'm not sure if the animals actually like it, but it's fun.

@lucianaromulus1408

6 ай бұрын

They definitely like it. Animals are wonderful ❤️

@Nirrrina

2 ай бұрын

I bet those cows adored having you read & sing to them. Grandpa probably enjoyed it too. Also why not sing when working if it makes you happy. The cows certainly don't mind but your family will probably tease you. But only in fun.

@OtherSarah2

Ай бұрын

my mom's dad was a serious cowboy in the 1870s and he always sang around cattle. It calms them. (I do it around horses so they know where I am and don't spook / kick.)

What I find interesting is how small farms in Canada are being erased as evermore "safety" regulations come into effect. These farms, for the most part, use techniques and feed programs that predates the industrial food production methods that enabled mad cow. The public buys into this and evermore food production shifts to the corporate players.

@KNR90

Жыл бұрын

Correlation is not causation. They are being erased by multi billion dollar companies buying out farms and outcompeting farms that don't sell, basically smothering them

@ickster23

Жыл бұрын

@@KNR90 In many cases they outcompete via lobbying for rules and regulations that smaller operations cannot afford. An example here in BC Canada where I live was new rules for abattoirs and meat processing. The new rules required an office and dedicated washroom with shower be installed for inspectors when they visited. Licensing fees also became very expensive. This led to the consolidation of meat packing into a few multi national producers. This also has the effect that cattlemen have to accept the price offered by these companies as there is no other alternative other than to go out of business.

@KNR90

Жыл бұрын

@@ickster23 that's not safety regulations, that's bullshit beurocracy

@ickster23

Жыл бұрын

@@KNR90 I agree, but it is sold as "safety". The public buys it hook, line, and sinker, then turns around and wonders why prices are so high.

@KNR90

Жыл бұрын

@@ickster23 no they don't, you just have to believe that, the votes are pushed by money, not public opinion

Good Lord. as someone who grew up in the rural US, working on a livestock farm, this is a super disturbing story. especially the part about what was *in* the feed given to milk producing cattle. I remember all of us kids being freakin terrified that "mad cow disease" would make its way across the pond - the news about it was just bone-chilling. I still remember watching videos of the fields on fire. excellent video as always, John!

@SeanBZA

Жыл бұрын

Even in the USA the big meat producers feed the cattle chicken waste, including the chicken bits, the sweepings out of the battery and such, all boiled down and homogenised, then turned into pellets. The chickens in turn get all the beef bits in the same fashion, and the prions will survive both cooking processes intact, as the only way to destroy them is to fully denature the proteins by high temperature incineration.

@swamprat69er

Жыл бұрын

Mad cow was up here in Canada, too. Canadian beef was banned from entering the U.S. in any form. Cooked or not we weren't allowed to bring anything beef into the U.S. I got asked at U.S. customs what was in the cooler I carried on the passenger seat of my big truck. I told him It was full of dispatcher brains, absolutely nothing. I also got asked what was for lunch, to which I answered whatever the truck stop was serving in the U.S.

@strayiggytv

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanBZA this is true. The people freaking out over the cannibalism aspect of this don't understand that it's not just cow eat cow = mad cow. Cause if they fed nothing but muscle tissue there'd be no problem. It's the feeding of nerve tissue and she'd prions that are the issue.

@shinnam

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanBZA The chicken litter fed to cows isn't boiled, it is composted, the optimal temperature is below 65° for composted. "Too expensive " to boil it.

@pastexpiry2013B

Жыл бұрын

I heard various livestock in the US are fed restaurant scraps, so I wouldn't put US meat as 'topt tier'

When I lived in the US, especially when I was in the Army, I used to donate blood. Years later, long after my discharge, it was announced at my workplace that the local Red Cross would be coming to our workplace to get donations. I thought, "Why not?" and went down there. One of the questions they asked in a survey was whether I had lived in Europe between certain dates. Having been there during my Army service, I answered, "Yes". When they saw that answer, they refused to take my blood! I asked why, and they said it was because I might be an unknowing BSE carrier. And that I could never donate blood again. So, I haven't.

@howardsimpson489

Жыл бұрын

I had a corneal transplant and could not donate blood for ever afterwards, that was 50 years ago. I think I am probably nuts but just ordinary old dementia not CJD.

@aglaurendance

11 ай бұрын

My Dad (US Navy) received orders to move to England in 2002 and the rest of us came with him. We lived on the economy, so had the estate agent find us some places that fit into his housing allowance budget and were accessible to both the school my Mom had registered me for and Dad’s main naval base. The last one she showed us was a cattle farm that had its 400-year-old dairy building retrofitted into being a house. My parents thought it was a bit of an off-the-wall choice, but didn’t think they’d ever otherwise live on a farm, so they went for it. I was young when we moved there, so I only have the vaguest memories of people talking about how mad cow disease used to be a thing. However, we must have moved there after the blood-donation ban was lifted, because my Dad is regularly able to give blood.

@rhilliardqdmi

8 ай бұрын

They just altered the rules and you can now donate blood again.

@monicagonzalez2920

5 ай бұрын

Apparently for people who were around in the UK at the time of the beef scandal, one in two thousand carry the abnormal prions from the infected meat to this day

One thing that struck me about this at the time... Before it became widespread public knowledge that there might be a problem with beef, I noticed the appearance of billboard posters all over the place, showing healthy looking people, with the slogan "(m)EAT TO LIVE", where the M was italicised and in a different colour, so one could read the poster as saying "eat to live" or i supppose, 'eat meat to live'. The sudden ad campaign was, for me as a kid at least, unprecedented. I had seen old adverts from the milk marketing board, encouraging us to drink milk, and was aware of similar schemes encouraging egg consumption, but this was a new, well funded ad campaign, which appeared just before the story broke. Then, as soon as the story broke, the posters stopped appearing. I would love to hear more detail about this campaign if anyone has it.

I remember seeing the pictures of the brains in biology class in middle school That terrified me, and made me be scared of eating beef for almost a year, despite this illness never coming to affect Ukraine That was terrifying to read about

@user-cw3wm9lx7w

4 ай бұрын

you doung well with the war

My father was a butcher..he refused to eat or bring home beef from his job, after Chernobyl he banned Welsh lamb as well my mother thought he was nuts!! He would be called a conspiracy theorist today bless him..rip pa thanks for your smarts xx

@aaronlopez717

Жыл бұрын

An story ! wow ! ... i saw a video from this site ; there is an activist -human being who did a documentary / now that every one business of natural EGGS .in his town there is a lot of chicken farms ; the the resided from the water goes to the river It is change from blue to dark water ...etc

@bujfvjg7222

Жыл бұрын

Any idea how many parasites your (unnatural) cat spreads about rubbing it's ANUS off you and all your possessions?

@koogle5410

Жыл бұрын

@@bujfvjg7222 I don't have cats..wtf are you ranting about lol 😂🤷

@krashd

Жыл бұрын

He wouldn't be called a conspiracy theorist unless he peddled unscientific bullshit, you've mistaken him for the opposite end of the spectrum. An intelligent person.

@koogle5410

Жыл бұрын

@@krashd in 1986 people didn't really know about fallout or BSE. I remember sitting down to eat Welsh lamb at my nans one sunday. he went berserk..and trod off to the chippy for us kids lol..my nan never spoke to him again..said he was ripe for the loony bin. He was always upset he couldn't say I told u so lol as she died in 1990..she was already a mad cow by then.

My wife and I were both stationed in the UK at the height of the Mad Cow / BSE / vCJD madness with the US Air Force. As such we are banned for life from donating blood here in the US. I mention this to doctors as the question occasionally comes up “have you ever been told you cannot give blood.” They are expecting hepatitis or something, when I explain BSE they are either bemused or tell me “well, you’d be dead by now if you had it.” 🤷‍♂️ Edited to add: I ate the HELL out of British beef while I was there, lived off base and my pub served the best steak and kidney pies!

@philw8049

Жыл бұрын

You should check on this if it matters to you. I served in the army and was also not allowed to give blood for the same reason. It came up not too long ago in a conversation with my wifes sister, who works for the local blood bank. According to her that rule has changed and I am allowed to give blood now.

@dx1450

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I was in England in the early 90's with the USAF and I can't donate blood now either. But I feel perfect- MOO! MOOOOO! MOOOOOOOOOOO! -ly fine.

@nasiriyah110

Жыл бұрын

@@dx1450 the joke at the time was “Mad Cow? Impossible! I’m a duck!”

@googleblockedme5543

Жыл бұрын

I went to Ireland and England at the height of the MCD scare. Went to a high end London steakhouse with no one in it and had a great steak!

@DoctorProph3t

Жыл бұрын

Lucky bastard

My friend’s grandma died of this and it was really traumatic for him because he was young and his grandma just randomly forgot his name. Then she forgot where is the light switch. After she forgot how to speak and she forgot that it is bad to be undressed with other people and then she just died peacefully in sleep. It was horrible for him but he is okay now.

@ynraider

4 ай бұрын

At college, early 2000s, they showed us the USA Midwest Mad Cow Outbreak from raw footage of "down cows" being cattleprodded into the slaughterhouse...The outbreak in UK, likely started from the West Coast 'mink mad cow outbreak', that later spread to USA/UK sheep/cattle.(recycled mink brain tissue in protein feeds!) "Early Onset Dementia/Alzheimer's"(MAD COW) was projected to kill 10s of MILLIONS more, over next 75yrs, IIRC. More an "open secret" than a "coverup". Like the Ford Pinto-College Student Massacre. "Ethics of Engineering"; what an oxymoron!

This scandal did absolutely horrific things for Irish cookery. It took until about 2000 before you could get a medium cooked steak in a restaurant, many homecooks still char every last drop of juice out of steak & burgers

@KarmatheCorgi

Жыл бұрын

The cruel irony of the charring is that it won't do anything to the prions but it will increase the likelihood of some forms of cancer due to the risk that burnt food poses (a small risk to be sure but still) plus... it sure doesn't taste as good. :/

@condor2279

Жыл бұрын

@@KarmatheCorgi Prions are so indestructible that after operating on someone with a prion disease, it's cheaper to destroy the surgical tools than sufficiently clean them.

There is nothing so damning as a Government Denial.

@Silver-rx1mh

Жыл бұрын

Sadly they've been doing it for years. :(

@RCAvhstape

Жыл бұрын

Laughs in Wuhan lab.

@austyn5004

Жыл бұрын

Laughs in mRNA technology

@vincent67239

Жыл бұрын

@@RCAvhstape @@Austyn you’re part of the problem. Government denial is primarily a conservative problem

@RCAvhstape

Жыл бұрын

@@vincent67239 How does that make you feel?

The fact that many people who ate this beef during the time have no idea if they might face vCJD some day, after decades of dormancy, is terrifying. What a horrible thing to live with. Even in the US, many of my friends at the time stopped eating beef, and I'm sure it inspired many of us to go vegetarian. Not just because of BSE, but because this scandal revealed the industry-wide disgusting-ness of intensive farming practices. (It's just... gross.) And the fact that so many farmers were caught trying to get around the regulations didn't make us feel confident that safety protocols would actually be followed in the case of BSE or any health threat.

@cleopatracatra2097

Жыл бұрын

That reminds me of an episode of Little House On The Prairie where a farmer knew that his cattle had anthrax but he sold the meat anyway--and his wife and children also ended up dying from it.

I was in the Air Force stationed in the UK at the height of this and have been told many times since then that I cannot donate blood because of it. Some friends of mine invited me to volunteer and join them in staffing a Hamburger sale stand for charity in a local village (some festival or something). Before we got there everyone thought about the whole ruckus about MCD and the heighted tension from many who still thought it was bull (sorry for the pun) so we decided to not say anything to anyone about the issue and anger the locals. To our surprise we found allot of them asking us where our beef came from. Well we got ours from our commissary on base with the beef coming from the U.S. We didn't at first want to advertise that fact and maybe get local farmers or anyone mad at us for implying anything about their cows (also the price was much lower then they were paying for theirs). When the opposite occurred when we opened. People even went as far as to have us prove it by showing the containers and packs themselves before they would purchase any. It was different. I did happen to meet the lady I would later marry at that same event! I know, insert MCD joke here.... I did have some local beef while I was stationed there, though in small amounts and hardly ever. Mostly to not anger whoever's house was hosting us at the time. Still get told at times that I shouldn't ever bother to try to donate blood because of my time there during that time period. Saw news story a few years ago that they upped the date again saying it could be dormant up to 50 years later. Well due to my new government job, I've had to seize any beef products coming from any other nation for a few years. We were shown films on just what the disease does to someone's brain and let's just say it's a truly horrific way to go. I still wonder sometimes if I will end up getting it after all this time. But I know that has to be near nill of a chance. Sorry to go on & on. Thanks if you actually read this far. :)

@AmazonAllie73

Жыл бұрын

Well the 50 year thing is frightening. Went to the UK in 1989 as a 16 year old for 10 days... 😬

@howardsimpson489

Жыл бұрын

You could allow NZ beef, no cannibal cows, just grass fed.

I wanted to add a few medical facts about BSE that are rather relevant. I read these details in a medical book written soon after the disease was identified... I don't recall the details but it was a credible publication. (However bear in mind that "these are the facts as they were known or believed to be accurate as of about ten years ago".) 1. At that time there was no test that could determine whether a cow, or a human, was infected until symptoms appeared. (So there was no way to determine if a cow was recently infected even with an autopsy.) 2. One complicating factor is that the mis-folding of the protein CAN occur spontaneously - in cows or humans. (So a cow, or a human, can become 'infected" without actually being exposed to infected meat.) 3. The prions can survive high temperatures and many disinfectants. (Among other things, they are NOT destroyed or rendered harmless by thorough cooking, or even by standard autoclaving of surgical instruments.) 4. The infectious prions tend to reside in brain and nerve tissue. (So excluding brain and spinal tissue from "recycling" DRASTICALLY reduces the risk of the infection being transmitted.) 5. Not only is "tolerance" or "immunity" genetically linked... but it was believed that the degree of exposure affects progress. (The MORE infected meat you actually eat the faster you become infected... some of the original cases were farmers who had eaten known sick cows.) HOWEVER, PLEASE NOTE THAT *VERY* FEW PEOPLE ACTUALLY CONTRACT THIS DISEASE... (It may sound "scary" but is actually so rare that it poses far less of a threat to most of us than common diseases like e-coli.)

One of the strange things about this entire episode is that the enhanced animal feed eventually blamed for the disease was actually manufactured in Holland and sold throughout Europe. It’s still unknown if the infected batches sold to the UK were simply an anomaly or the reporting of BSE cases varied across the continent.

@someusername1

Жыл бұрын

One can only suspect that reporting might not be entirely honest in some locales.

@jamesnicholls9969

Жыл бұрын

usual thing we were probably buying the reject feed that could not be sold in Europe.

@hedydd2

Жыл бұрын

While some of the new-process solvent-free meat and bone meal may have been exported from the UK to Holland and included in compound feed, blended manufactured into cattle feed locally, it is unlikely that very much was used or that it was universally used in Holland. If the rendering regulations and process changes were implemented at the same time in Holland, which is generally more intensively farmed with higher cow performance than the UK average, then it would take an accumulation of infected animals going into the new ineffective rendering process for the disease to become prevalent. In which case, while the timescale of large scale cow infection acceleration might have been different, it was only a matter of time before Dutch and other countries with similarly relaxed rendering processes suffered the same rate of disease. The timescale could be measured in ‘a few years’ of course but somewhere had to be first.

@officersquarehead

Жыл бұрын

@@someusername1 You mean like how it was reported that Nelson Mandela died in the 90s?

@neutronalchemist3241

Жыл бұрын

@@someusername1 Human BSE cases couldn't be hidden. If there had been over four times more in the UK than in the rest of Europe all toghether... Simply, wherever it was made, British farmers used that feed more than anyone else. IE in Italy, and much of Europe, the norm is for the farm to grow corn to feed their cattle, as silage. Self-gorwn silage is cheaper than bought feed. You can use feed as a temporary solution but, if ou use it regularly, you are working at a loss.

My brother came down with this disease, he lived in Wisconsin and traveled to Canada in the 90s and at some point he was infected. It was undiagnosed until his death in 2008.

@jessebrucepinkman9834

Жыл бұрын

That is really sad. What scares me is how many people know someone who has died from this disease. Tbh I feel we should have a campaign to destroy all animals that can carry the disease

@bobbydazzler6990

Жыл бұрын

@@jessebrucepinkman9834 It would be easier and cheaper to destroy just *you* and then the rest of us can go about our business.

@jdoe1917

Жыл бұрын

@@jessebrucepinkman9834 I mean all mammals can have prion diseases so that would be a bit of a problem... The problem is when they naturally spread it between themselves (deer and sheep) or when we grind up and feed animals to each other. Good luck getting rid of wild deer too

@noelryan6341

Жыл бұрын

So sad, and unnecessary!

@joanbaczek2575

Жыл бұрын

Scary I traveled to Canada in 88-89 I wonder if I ate any infected meat

Fun fact, prion diseases can start spontaneously in people and there’s no way to predict or prevent it and there’s no treatment, we all just gotta hope that we’re not the unlucky one in a million

A similar disease also in humans. This is called Kuru and was found in Papa-Neuginea in a tribe of indigenous people that ate their dead. It caused muscle spasms and individuals would laugh themselves to death.

@Chessisgood109

Жыл бұрын

I’m making a ppt on bse and mentioned other variants and during my research I learned Kuru was developed in people of the fore tribe in Papua New Guinea after consuming the brain of somebody who developed sporadic cjd

@neckbackcripplinganxietyattack

8 ай бұрын

Yup. Prion diseases

@ynraider

4 ай бұрын

It's not similar. it's identical. It's just a protein misfolding condition triggered by eating neural tissues. Like Diabetes II is triggered by sugars. Except more world-ending; not even an exaggeration! Soil at burial, is hazardous for 10K+yrs!

Thanks for covering this. I was in the same year as Stephen Churchill at secondary school. It was a worrying time for everyone when Stephen died wondering who else may have contracted it. Obviously no-one could know or pinpoint where he contracted it or when. I remember the mass slaughtering of the cattle which was horrific to see as a kid in rural Wiltshire. The memory came back with the Foot & Mouth Disease outbreak.

@Shinzon23

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations you might still be on a ticking time bomb considering it can take years to decades for the prions to build-up to a lethal level

@jennacided6502

Жыл бұрын

@@Shinzon23 jesus that's a bit much to say to the guy

I was an Operating Department Practitioner (ODP), working in the NHS and private healthcare sector as an Operating Theatre Manager. From the late 1990s, UK operating theatres began using disposable surgical instruments to reduce the risk of vCJD cross-contamination of patients as it was discovered that autoclaving did not destroy prion material. This was initially focused on neurosurgery, ENT, dental, and head and neck surgical procedures but would eventually extend even to disposable laryngoscope blades too.

@jean-pierredeclemy7032

Жыл бұрын

I thought this disposal was terribly wasteful as I was incorrectly told that using new surgical instruments was cheaper and less bother than autoclaving used ones. Now I understand.

@SchwaAlien

Жыл бұрын

What a scandal... the chemical industry got it’s money’s worth by funding all the well respected BS research on ‘prions’ to cover up what they were doing to cattle and sheep with the products they were selling to farmers as “safe and effective” dips to kill insects that were FAR from safe. Amazing cover-up though, I’m very impressed how well it was accepted with zero evidence of anything as proof of causation... reminds me of something more recent where everyone believed the “invisible virus” story to be given safe and effective injections and other useless but harmful treatments. 🤔

@bringhomethebasil8729

Жыл бұрын

There were at least a couple scientists that were studying these prions microscopically and somehow became infected and died from it.

@jackywhite880

Жыл бұрын

Many years ago, I worked in a hospital lab. Medical staff were starting to move to single use items, especially sharps. Management immediately tasked us with finding some means of recycling them, even plastic items. Our boss, a chief pathologist, was too cowardly to refuse, but the rest of the team were having none of it, and after an anonymous letter to the local paper produced a headline, management decided to deny everything and start furiously backtracking.

I can remember as a child in America , thinking how sad it was to watch cows be killed because of the disease , the vet would come and take mandatory blood samples , and even " pet " cows that showed no sign of illness, would be slaughtered . Now I know why .but it was still really hard to witness , the invisible killer disease , that no one ( regular people ) new about.

I was born in 1990 and from the Scottish Highlands, like way out in a tiny village. I remember my dad telling me not to look out the car windows but being a kid I always looked, and I vividly remember seeing cow carcasses burning in fields. That’s what I most remember from this, just so many burnings. Also remember foot and mouth disease where we’d have to stop at cattle grids and drive through some chemical to be put on the car tyres, and making sure it was on your shoes. Just so many horrible things happened to cows in that period it would seem!

I was born in 1990 and this is one of the first events on the news that I actually listened to and comprehended what was going on. I remember asking my parents about it and they told me that people in another country were feeding cows to cows and it's making them sick. It was also the first time that I realized that things people do in a far off land can affect me. I grew up eating a lot of chicken. I'm not sure if it was because of this, or just a matter of beef being more expensive.

@canyoncreekster

Жыл бұрын

Non organic Chicken is often contaminated with arsenic,.

@j.cassavoy4661

Жыл бұрын

Go plant based, all meat is carcinogenic and chicken is very unhealthy. I went vegan in 2011 because I love animals but I am pleased that it is healthier for me and the planet.

@AmyB1961

Жыл бұрын

@@j.cassavoy4661 Uh, just no.

@reneablackheart9563

Жыл бұрын

@@canyoncreekster Yeah, my friend raises his own chicken and ducks and hunts his own turkey and he's definitely a lot healthier than i am lol

@kindafreexp1415

Жыл бұрын

@@j.cassavoy4661 One would think, then, that evolution would not permit carnivorous animals to survive in the wild at that point. But that clearly isn't the case. Is most factory/industrialized meat probably bad for you because of the greedy shenaniganry going on? Yeah, probably. Is being vegan on moral grounds perfectly valid? Absolutely. But don't buy into or spread misinformation just because it agrees with your own biases and personal beliefs. Statements like this turn more people away from the stance you're trying to champion than it brings in.

What's unfortunate is most of these tragedies & scandals stem from greed. Such avarice is inherently incompatible with the human condition.

@MrSuperchargeron

Жыл бұрын

Just wait to see what happens from trying to "Go Green" . It's going to have it's fair share of unforseen consequences.

@majinnemesis

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSuperchargeron not trying to go green is worse then any "unforseen" consequences andthe only people against going green is greedy ones trying to keep their money from oil business and stuff like that or people too afraid to change their lifestyle

@cartilagehead6326

Жыл бұрын

it’s not just greed, it’s the entire political and economic system built off of it. At every single level the blame can be squarely aimed at systems that sought to find the lowest possible cost, from the elimination of safety and welfare standards in the beef industry to the deregulation of school meals. The fact that it can be tied to subsequent decades of reactionary politics is just the icing on the cake.

@cincin4515

Жыл бұрын

Increasing yields by using waste products is not exactly greed.

@cartilagehead6326

Жыл бұрын

@@cincin4515 it is when you do it in the face of basic biology and good veterinary/husbandry practices. It's not like CJD was an unknown thing when this happened. The dangers of prion disease and its transmission pathways were pretty well documented by the 70s

This and other issues with factory farming led me to raising my own livestock and produce. One of the best decisions of my life. The flavor is on another level from store bought. As well as knowing my animals are happy, healthy, and properly cared for.

I'll never forget back in 1988 working in the laboratory of a mill that manufactured animal feeds and being told we were banning the use of 'Meat & Bone' as an additive due to something akin to Scrapie and then being shocked to find out that this same material wasn't banned from the human food chain until over a year later! It was a good thing that I was so poor as a recent graduate that I rarely could afford to eat beef.

I have a friend who visited the UK during the BSE crisis, and is barred from donating blood here in the USA. The kicker is that she’s a longtime vegan, and didn’t take a single bite of meat during her visit. Good video.

@shawnmiller4781

Жыл бұрын

I’m banned from donating because I was station in Germany during this time frame

@Androctonus84

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnmiller4781 if you want to donate, you now can. The FDA lifted the ban on veterans stationed in most of Western Europe, including Germany, in 2020, and even for those of us who were in the UK during that time, just last May.

@Petra44YT

Жыл бұрын

Yeah well, I'm banned from entering the U.S. without a visa due to a law that Trump passed. The reason is that I visited North Korea as a tourist, in 2012 and 2015. So, that was BEFORE that law even existed!

@cincin4515

Жыл бұрын

@@Androctonus84 dont encourage them. The government caused this, how can you trust their advice now? Shame on anyone donating blood from that incident.

@Androctonus84

Жыл бұрын

@@cincin4515 the government didn't cause this. Industry caused this through their greed in trying to make as much money as possible by recycling diseased animals as feed for others rather than disposing of them sanitarily. The government was complicit, but only as they usually are - as the bought and paid for pawns of industry, being bribed not to enact regulations to prevent disaster until after it's too late. We see it over and over and over, such as in the Ohio train disaster playing out now, with the railroad industry buying off politicians to keep them from imposing stricter safety regulations that would cut into profits. Plus, this happened in the UK, because of the greed of the UK beef and dairy industry, so how in the world is the US government at fault?

One of the scariest things I remember was when I was an intern at a large county hospital (top 10 metro cities). I was young only 16, we were shadowing one of the nurses in the ICU. We walked into several patients rooms they were unresponsive but seemingly at peace. We walked to the next room and the nurse said we should go to the next room instead of the one that was logically in order. Confused I asked why and she said the patient had CJD. It scared me to know someone on the other side of the door had a debilitating death sentence from doing something so mundane. Stuck with me all my life.

I REALLY liked this one. One of your best none nuclear topics. I'm thankful to hear a closer but relatable voice who experience gave a much deeper level to something I already care about so much. The way you handle the government part feels balanced and legitimate in pretty much ever video. It for your channel and talents very well and I was even more impressed with your presentation than I was expecting.

I was at university studying genetics and zoology when the story was making major news in the 90s. I remember one of our lecturers listing the reasons why it was impossible for prions to reach the brain after eating infected meat. A good object lesson in why you should never say never...

@elvingearmasterirma7241

Жыл бұрын

My general rule of thumb is: Its nature. Nature is absolutely off the rocker. If its an inkling of an idea it can probably happen

@NoahGooder

Жыл бұрын

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 there is an old saying "nature finds a way"

@chrishartley1210

Жыл бұрын

The idea was not that prions can't reach the brain but that the likelihood was incredibly small, ie very low probability. The same sort of probability that determines that amino acids cannot combine to produce life. Therefore, since we don't actually exist the prions can't reach our brains. Simple.

@MomMom4Cubs

Жыл бұрын

You'd think other incidents, like maybe the Titanic, would've taught that lesson.

@davidpalk5010

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficerHotpants "A teacher is someone who has some idea of the destination but can't actually drive the car." And, "Those who can't, teach."

Having been born in 2004 in “the States” I obviously wasn’t around for this whole mess. My introduction to it was actually through the “Mad Cow Disease” campaign in Plague Inc. In the description, it talked about how it “nearly shut down the beef industry in the 1990’s”. Never thought much of it until years later, though.

@izoi24

Жыл бұрын

mine was that one simpsons treehouse of terror episode. I thought they were kidding when they made the joke about feeding cows beef. Turns out they were not kidding.

@Rubycon99

Жыл бұрын

It was sort of a big scare here too from what I remember. I don't think we were importing a lot of British beef, but no one knew if American beef was infected too. An e. coli outbreak at Jack-in-the-Box around the same time probably didn't ease worries. My parents only let us order chicken for awhile.

I grew up in the country in the 90s, and I can confirm that seeing piles of dead cows burning in fields every few miles did indeed feel dystopian and pretty horrifying.

I know people who went vegetarian over that affair, even though I suspected the UK food industry might eventually find a way of screwing even that up. I didn't go vegetarian at the time, but I find myself gradually becoming so these days. Not from any kind of moral conviction, but because my meat shopping is falling bit by bit as I find more and more meat products (in my OAP price range anyway) unpalatable, even disgusting. My fish bill (never from the supermarket) is rising in response. That said, I'm increasingly putting (home cooked) vegetables on my plate and realising they're sufficient in themselves. Part of the problem seems to lie with newer generations who have little idea of what good food SHOULD taste like.

@asmrtpop2676

Жыл бұрын

I’m a vegetarian. Fish is meat lol. If your fish bill is rising because you’re not caring for other meats you aren’t really going vegetarian in the least. And nothing wrong with that! Enjoy.

I was 10 when the BSE/CJD crisis was making the headlines in 1995, but my parents were abundantly cautious and had effectively banned beef from our household for years prior, ever since the unconfirmed rumours. I remember it being almost like a forbidden fruit, and the family depending heavily on lamb as an alternative. Strangely, instead of developing an aversion like it did with John, I ended up being obsessed with the idea of eating beef, and would years later have my mind blown by having a beef burger for the first time at a friend’s 13th birthday. Similarly with pork during foot and mouth too!

Tony Blair:- "Well. at least you won't see me single-handedly destroying British agriculture....." Minister of Agriculture:- "Have you seen these figures for Foot & Mouth Disease, PM?"

@kevxsi16v

Жыл бұрын

Something he didn’t destroy?

@Bird_Dog00

Жыл бұрын

@@kevxsi16v His party by some stroke of luck. Though I think he did give it a good try...

@kevxsi16v

Жыл бұрын

@@Bird_Dog00 and it looks like we will have it allllllll to come again come next election…

@Bird_Dog00

Жыл бұрын

@@kevxsi16v Well, given how the conservatives have been dicking around lately, if Labour can't capitalise on THAT, I wouldn't know what to say...

@kevxsi16v

Жыл бұрын

@@Bird_Dog00 I agree completely let down the many many people who voted for them myself included.

I was 10 in 95 and I remember people talking about it. My family was scared but we didn't stop eating hamburger meat. We were really picky over what package we bought and got really particular over making sure it was cooked correctly. Never got sick but everyone was worried over it. Don't remember anyone getting sick but there was a general concern. Didn't grow up in a well to do family so generally we bought what we could stretch out. A large pack of hamburger could be made into multiple meals. So, making sure there was food on the table overtook how worried people were. My mother was definitely worried about it and would talk about it a lot.

@joanbaczek2575

Жыл бұрын

Duh it don’t matter how well the meat is cooked! Prion is not killed by cooking. Grow up

@cleopatracatra2097

Жыл бұрын

@@joanbaczek2575 Duh? What are you, 12? And back in 1995 it was not well- known to the general public what caused CJD, what Prions were, or facts that one might find on the internet today.

@chewchewonglass

Жыл бұрын

@@joanbaczek2575 Don't be a wanker, they were a kid back then who didn't know better. A lot of people didn't know better because of the government purposefully hiding this danger. You need to be smacked upside the dome.

I remember this. In was also a kid. All the ash from the burned cows were transported to an old disused hanger outside my village. I remember the lorries transporting it were never properly covered and the ash would fall on to the road near us. I wonder what happened to it all?

A truly horrific disease, both in bovine and humans. Unfortunately, this is what happens when you pursue profit over anything else - especially with something as unnatural as feeding cattle other cattle and animals.

@mauricedavis2160

Жыл бұрын

Your comments are spot on, unfortunately!!!🙏🐄😢😵‍💫😵

@MargaritaMagdalena

Жыл бұрын

Poor cows 🐮🐮🐮

@MyHandelsMessiah

Жыл бұрын

@@MargaritaMagdalena nah.

@AnthonyRusso93

Жыл бұрын

Prions have arisen in hunter gatherer societies look up kuru. Yeah those Fore people in New Guinea were watching the stock market and they saw the value of shamanistic canabalism was surging. They said " " Well actually I don't have any click consonants on my keyboard

@sheldoniusRex

Жыл бұрын

They literally didn't know this could happen.

I've actually got some info about this. My aunt was one of the first pathologists to do autopsies and studies on the first cases. I spent most of my summer breaks until I graduated from high school at the forensic lab and morgue. mostly playing Nintendo with the college students and FBI guys.... but got to see some really cool and insane stuff that came through there over the years. Starting at about 6 years old. I even attend a lot of crime scenes because there was nowhere else for me to go. And I sure as hell wasn't staying in the morgallone for several hours. It was usually because some rare occurrence / emergency came up and they needed her to actually be on the scene and oversee the collection of bodies and evidence and especially heinous and rare cases. So obviously she had no warning they would just call her up and tell her they're sending a detective to pick her up in 15 minutes. And there was just nowhere else for me to go. I was fascinated with that stuff and was planning on going into medicine starting at the age of about 9 years old. Stood tableside at my first autopsies at about 8 or 9 years old as well Regarding mad cow... I remember they always prepared for it for like a week beforehand and it was a huge deal... Especially in the very beginning before they knew much at all about it. So obviously I had to find another place to go during that time frame because everything was quorienting with special rules and stuff. But that only happened with mad cow and rare other instances. .. even though she was methodical and took these cases much more seriously than most... She wasn't afraid or nervous. Even when most of the other doctors and investigators would be. Very rarely do I ever remember seeing her disturbed or nervous about something... And it always stuck out to me because it only happened on a few instances over the years. The only time I ever saw her get really scared is with potential rabies fatalities especially if they weren't reported as such and they hadn't taken the proper precautions beforehan. Two separate instances she took 40 injections in the stomach over 1 week. Because of a possible exposure. And those shots are fucking brutal individually. I can't imagine taking that many of them Definitely some of the only times I ever remember her being visibly nervous. And would always tell me that other than radiation sickness.. and a few other rare instances... Rabies is most absolutely the worst way to die.

@lairdcummings9092

Жыл бұрын

She sounds like a tough and courageous woman.

@cynthiatolman326

Жыл бұрын

Unique perspective, your Aunt was the type of individual that doesn't get recognized enough, they're the superheroes of the real world.

@anteshell

Жыл бұрын

What's morgallone? Some kind of amalgamation of morgue and gallows?

@garmancathotmailcom

Жыл бұрын

You attended crime scenes? Bullshit.

@blomharetreshagen2498

Жыл бұрын

@@anteshell i think its a typo and it was supposed to say "morgue alone"

Thank you. Watching from Alaska. My nephew is dying of CJD. This documentary explains the source of this disease. It's horrible. 💔

I was born in 93, that has been the only food scandal that actually scared me.

One thing that wasn't explicitly mentioned in the video, though it was clear if you think about it only a little (or knew it already), was that when people so confidently claimed BSE could not jump species, it was (I believe) pretty much already known that BSE *had* already jumped species from sheep scrapies.

@franknbeans8904

Жыл бұрын

I remember that being stated in sources, that they suspected it was initially started by dead scrapie sheep that were 'recycled' by being rendered and then fed to cows via protein feed, with these cows dying and being rendered themselves to make more feed.

@andrewince8824

Жыл бұрын

Tory government. There's no place for facts under a Conservative government. Facts don't preserve their income.

@hoenheim94

Жыл бұрын

Idk how closely related deer are to cows (or more specifically how closely similar their PrP proteins are in sequence), but there has been a slight uptick in CJD cases in the states of the western upper midwest and pacific northwest where chronic waisting disease (basically just vCJD in deer, it presents slightly differently when it emerges naturally (I.e. through the original protein malfolding event, not transmission) in different species) has been popping up. Hunting enthusiasts get super defensive and touchy about it, but since its a relatively recently discovered version I believe there's definitely not enough data to say it isn't transmissible to humans as certainly as they do, said uptick in human CJD cases really should be garnering more attention. One factor affecting transmission not properly explained in this video is that transmission of BSE (and therefore likely CWD derived CJD) often happens when CNS tissue (nerve tissue from the brain and spinal chord, but not the peripheral nerves that permeate the rest of your body) from infected cattle makes its way into meat (usually via ground beef), since that is where the vast majority of PrP is expressed. As such, transmission is believed to rely on either sloppy meat processing, or greedy meat packers trying to pad their ground product with tissue that they are supposed to throw away, not the genetics of the person who is infected.

Still remember the aftershocks of this from my early childhood here in Germany. Endless storys about another suplyer being found to possibly have used british food additives and the rules getting tightened and even more tightened again. As I am a blood donor I also often still see the aftereffects in the paperwork I need to do. Because you are still excluded if you had pretty much been to Britain during the time of the epedemic or recive any blood transfusions in the UK. And my father who recently had a case of somone infected in the hospital he works it, and they had to throw abway so much equpment because the prions are so hard to get rid of and it´s safer to just throw stuff out.

@the_retag

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you basically have to autoclave it in concentrated lye for half an hour afaik the who says

I was 16 when we had the last outbreak in the UK. I lived in the country and came from a farming comunity. I made a trip from where I was in the Scottish Borders down to Swindon in the summer of 2000 and I can just remember the smell of burning meat and huge black smokey fires the whole way. Absolutely devastating time. When I got home as we were surrounded by farms we were litterally under smoke for 2 weeks . So strange and horribly sad.

I was born during the 90s so didn't know much about this until today, I've heard of MCD but haven't really gone much into it. I love meat, but it breaks my heart knowing they suffered so much, and I also wonder who thought it was a great idea to make cannibalistic cows.

Back in the early 1970s I was told by a rancher in the US south west, that feed lots were drying cow dung and mixing it in with the cattle feed. He said it helped them bulk up faster. I found that rather disturbing to say the least.

@Rockribbedman

Жыл бұрын

Partially digested grass is fine. Grass fed cows eat whatever they step in. Have you ever seen a dog or cat locking its own arse

@GearGuardianGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@Rockribbedman that explains why some people find it euphoric to have that done by someone else.

@Mr.Chedda_

Жыл бұрын

@@GearGuardianGaming wha-

@keterpatrol7527

Жыл бұрын

@@GearGuardianGaming what the actual fuck?

@GearGuardianGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Chedda_ oh grow up.

I was 10 years old in Canada and the Mad Cow scare in the 1995 temporarily made me fear Britain. To a kid hearing about it on the radio in the car or on the TV news, it looked like the apocalypse. My family also ate a lot less beef for about a year fearing this could happen in our food chain.

During the scandal I went to the cinema. There was an advert for The Laughing Cow cheese spread. The logo is an insanely grinning cow. The audience fell about laughing.

I live in Finland but I used to watch Sky News in the 1990's and I remember how the British government tried to convince the public that BSE was no big deal, with TV ads promoting consumption of British beef et cetera.

I was fascinated by prions ever since I read about them. Due to the very long incubation times that are possible with vCJD the lads born in the 90's like myself can never be entirely sure whether they will be affected by it at some point. Prions are scary as fuck, they are basically proteins with a wrong conformation that can cause other proteins of the same nature to misfold as well. This chain reaction causes irreversible cerebral atrophy on a macroscopic level which is lethal in all cases. This illness isn't caused by bacteria or viruses, that's the thing that's really scary, it's damn hard to combat. There's logically no antibiotic or virustatic like medication for it. And no the proteins don't "survive" they were never living in the first place. Many simply don't denature over long periods of time and that's another danger....

@somethingelse4424

Жыл бұрын

Yes, prion diseases are fascinating and terrifying. I learned about them while in a Wikipedia rabbit hole that started with the human disease kuru (spelling?). If I remember correctly it had something to do with chirality--the concept that two things can be geometrically similar (like your right and left hands) but unable to be translated into one another. I could be confusing two different articles, but I was under the impression that prion diseases involved a left and right hand version of a protein... both of which could replicate/be copied, but only one was functional. It's terrifying to think that it can occur just by obscure probability and be replicated as though it were a living virus. It's basically just a bad shape that destroys just due to being a bad shape.

@somethingelse4424

Жыл бұрын

And I went ahead and did some more reading to verify what I was saying. I'm not certain prion diseases necessarily involve chiral proteins, but I was also reminded of Chronic Wasting Disease which affects the deer population in my home state of Illinois. One interesting detail is that the mis-folded proteins are excreted through salvia and feces, and can survive many years of exposure, even through cycles in autoclaves specifically meant for medical sterilization.

@BlisaBLisa

Жыл бұрын

it fucks me up how they are so hard to destroy. if brain surgery is done on someone with a prion disease all the instruments used just have to be thrown out after bc there is no reliable way to destroy the prions now contaminating them, which would infect the next person who has brain surgery done with those tools

@blackroberts6290

Жыл бұрын

And iirc the immune system also ignores them.

@namibjDerEchte

Жыл бұрын

@@somethingelse4424 there are ways to neutralize them, it's just that the autolcaves are to destroy genetic material, not protein material.

I wasn't born yet when the height of this disaster happened, but when I worked in the meat department of a grocery store as a teen I noticed all of the beef we got in had country of origin on it, and the main guy I worked for explained to me it had to do with mad cow disease. We never had beef from Britain iirc.

Hello, loved the video as always. Have you considered covering Minamata disease? If you have and I missed the video, please disregard (I haven't watched EVERY video). I watched a documentary on it last year and I still think about it to this day. Scary stuff can happen from contaminated food...

@a.k.a.blakestone9063

Жыл бұрын

That would be a good one. Terrifying

I was indeed wondering what those tunes in the background were, so cool it’s you!

I was 9. We live in a small rural farming community... and are surrounded by feed lots. This sent our beef prices sky rocketing. Advertising all said "American grown!" I didn't understand why it mattered where the beef came from... mom always said "Make sure it says American Beef!" I later learned why... Mad Cow was scary... Even Zombieland Used it as the plot.

@AlessandroGenTLe

Жыл бұрын

Well, not that USA meat is much better... The amount of hormones they give to these poor beasts is crazy. That's why we don't want to have anything to do with USA (not "american"!) produced food here in the EU...

@jamesgarrett7606

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Same here. I was around the same age and always had that “USA beef” message being driven home constantly. It makes sense now.

@neom0nk

Жыл бұрын

I remembered. Basically didn't eat beef for a few years after .

@ressljs

Жыл бұрын

I was watching safely from America when this happened, and already knew about Kuru, the "shaking disease" that kills cannibals in Papua New Guinea. But initially, I didn't realize it was the same disease. When I found out the connection, I thought, "My god, what are the British doing?!"

@Flibbles

Жыл бұрын

@@ressljs It wasn't just the British, it was the Belgians, French and a small amount in Germany. BSE has also been found in the US but this was down played. It was only the British press that shouted about it, all others played it down.

Using the rotted remains of animals to feed the same animals is something that is very tempting to a livestock producer and should never be done for exactly the reasons you showed here. I had a best friend who was a farmer and livestock producer who detailed a pork producer he knew of, that had four levels of pigs, with the waste from the top pigs falling through the grated floor, to feed the lower pigs. He said the pigs on the lowest level were the fattest and quickest turned over for sale. It made me physically sick to think of the horror these pigs were held in. There are many other horrors in livestock production as well. And a corporate label is no assurance of proper treatment of animals. When I see animals outside, in a natural pen with space to actually be in a relatively clean environment, I am thankful to those who do that.

@alienvomitsex

Жыл бұрын

Capitalism is unhealthy.

@phil4986

Жыл бұрын

@@alienvomitsex there are millions of farmers and livestock meat producers who never do this.

@jjradV

Жыл бұрын

Phil, are you vegan,if not,why not ?

@phil4986

Жыл бұрын

@@jjradV I am not vegan because this body was never designed to be vegan.

@jjradV

Жыл бұрын

@@phil4986 so your body has claws and large canine teeth to kill other animals?

Imagine my surprise in 2016 (approximately) when in a small town in Ohio, USA my friend’s mom died of Mad Cow Disease! My mom gave me the proper name but mispronounced it so it took me a minute to realize what I was hearing. How the hell did it happen? No one has been able to tell me.

@Khenfu_Cake

Жыл бұрын

CJD (without the variant part) is naturally occurring in humans. It's considered to be genetic and usually only occur in people over 50 years of age. It's speculated that many cases of CJD are misdiagnosed as Alzheimers. So if your mom's friend was +50 years she likely developed CJD and that just happens randomly. No infection from an external source has occurred. vCJD (variant Creutzfeldt-Jacobs Disease) is the human equivalent of BSE or Mad Cow Disease and that one was noted as mostly occuring in people under the age of 25 in the UK in the 1990's although there have been cases in people well into the 2000's likely due to exposure to the BSE prion when they were younger in the 80's and 90's. Basically the incubation period can be only a few years or several decades. If your mom's friend had lived in the UK in the 90's or 80's it's possible she could have been exposed to BSE. But if she hasn't then I suspect she likely suffered from the "normal" CJD. Although there are speculation that Chronic Wasting Disease (another prion disease) might be making the jump to humans too causing another variant of CJD. If Ohio is prone to CWD in the deer and squirrel population that could be a possibility, unfortunately.

@Rubycon99

Жыл бұрын

If by proper name you're referring to Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, eating infected beef is responsible for a variant of CJD, but the vast majority of CJD cases are unrelated to it. It can be inherited or potentially due to cellular breakdown in old age.

@melisentiapheiffer3034

Жыл бұрын

​@Rubycon99 The British queen and her husband lived to be very old. They never ate a lot of refined carbohydrates. I menton this because another person said that one has to eat an excessive amount of carbohydrates ( antinutrient) to get CJD.

I remember my parents telling me I couldn’t give blood because I was born on an Air Force base in England during mad cow scare. My dad also used to call me a Limey lol

I'm commenting before watching this video, however, speaking of cows, scandals and disasters. The Michigan(usa) beef crisis of the 80s(?) which started as a PBB/DDT contamination problem at the Vesicol chemical plant in St. Louis Michigan, may be an interesting topic. Now years later it is still an EPA superfund site. If I remember correctly, Bitter harvest is a film about it.

@revenevan11

Жыл бұрын

This comment isn't getting enough attention! I'd *love* to see John make a video on this topic, so hopefully this reply moves it a bit further up 😁🤞

This is very eye opening a very dear friend 7 years ago was diagnosed with the disease, and it was very sad watching his slow detiriation.

Hey John, Steven here from Switzerland. I too am a Vegan since the BSE story in the 90s. You're not alone.

In my embalming books we had a whole chapter about this and what to do when coming across someone with it

@cameliadimova990

6 ай бұрын

And I'm curious...what should you do ? Thanks!

@marysplayemail

6 ай бұрын

@@cameliadimova990 if they are not autopsied just universal precocious but if they are double seal body bag they will probably come in like that and stay like that in a closed casket. It’s up to the embalmer I would hope that they won’t put them and everyone else in danger.