$20 vs $80 Tires... What's the Actual Difference?

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  • @adamweb
    @adamweb5 ай бұрын

    I used to run full wire bead Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires for their insane puncture resistance out in the desert but they are one of the slowest tires made and I always had my LBS mount them... The first time I rode on Continental GPs it felt like I had switched to an e-bike! 😂 Without sounding like a GCN puppet, it really is impressive how far bicycle tire technology has come in the last two decades and the difference tire choice makes!

  • @marcfarrelly5944

    @marcfarrelly5944

    5 ай бұрын

    Used to ride Marathons as I done Audaxers. Never realised the insane shoulder pain was the tyres and not the tiredness until I moved over to racing

  • @EstelonAgarwaen

    @EstelonAgarwaen

    5 ай бұрын

    im running marathon plus on my commuter. disc brake rims make it possible to mount them without tire levers. they run puncture free for like 10k kms tho tbf.

  • @marcfarrelly5944

    @marcfarrelly5944

    5 ай бұрын

    @@EstelonAgarwaen but they are zero craic to ride

  • @EstelonAgarwaen

    @EstelonAgarwaen

    5 ай бұрын

    @@marcfarrelly5944 when its just about getting to work on a 15 minute ride, that doesnt matter really. at least to me.

  • @tonycaluda1868

    @tonycaluda1868

    5 ай бұрын

    lighter and more suple tires (than marathons) have existed for ... decades ? Soo yeah. I run Marathon Racer foldables on my city bike, half the weight and more comfortable than regular marathons, about 1 puncture every 2 years, so not bad. I'd never consider regular marathons if you're even somewhat into speedy ride. Not even gonna mention the dead feel the heavy marathons offer .. bleah. Sure, heavy marathons ARE tanks, just not for me.

  • @garrywallah4966
    @garrywallah49665 ай бұрын

    $60 is the difference

  • @yorkoxmaul66

    @yorkoxmaul66

    5 ай бұрын

    Damn I thought it’s 69

  • @LTBlightthebeam

    @LTBlightthebeam

    5 ай бұрын

    ​I thought it's 69.69

  • @Afrikakorps68

    @Afrikakorps68

    5 ай бұрын

    It is actually -60$

  • @lukko2153

    @lukko2153

    5 ай бұрын

    you don't say

  • @carlostypes3942

    @carlostypes3942

    5 ай бұрын

    Legendary

  • @SonnyDarvishzadeh
    @SonnyDarvishzadeh5 ай бұрын

    This had the opposite effect on me. Now I'm more keen to save money as $20 tire seems to perform really good for its value! I don't race, instead go for long rides. I'll be happy to spend 15 more minutes on a 6 hour ride.

  • @dexterx55

    @dexterx55

    5 ай бұрын

    there are some good budget tires but let me tell you if you hit the rain with that 20$ tire you will regret it. It has terrible wet-weather grip.

  • @SonnyDarvishzadeh

    @SonnyDarvishzadeh

    5 ай бұрын

    @@dexterx55 valid argument. There are tires that are great at wet grip while being terrible at RR. In BRR website there’s plenty tested.

  • @ezoez7548

    @ezoez7548

    5 ай бұрын

    ​bruh these slim ahh tires dont secure u in almost any type of weather. A mtb tire will grip anyrhing lol@@dexterx55

  • @MarkSmithSa

    @MarkSmithSa

    5 ай бұрын

    I ride about 50 Km a day, every day, come sun shine, monsoon downpours or extreme heat and use Continental Urban Pro. Slightly more than $20 (~$25 in Thailand) but they have excellent puncture resistance which is essential when riding solo on long routes often hours form home. The grip in the wet is also very good, they last at least 8000 km and are cmfortable.

  • @carloacetre677

    @carloacetre677

    4 ай бұрын

    I have crashed on those $20 tires in the wet. Horrible grip the moment it rains. Good luck.

  • @UltimateTuner10
    @UltimateTuner105 ай бұрын

    I’m always all about middle of the road components when it comes to not buying the higher tier groupset, or the highest tier frame. However tires are one place I always look to get the best that I can, the cost difference is minimal in the grand scheme of the entire bike but the differences are huge. Even if someone can’t feel or doesn’t care about the single digit watt savings in RR, there is a lot to be said about higher end tire’s ride quality, cornering confidence they inspire, and generally easier mounting across various wheels.

  • @JoshuaTootell

    @JoshuaTootell

    5 ай бұрын

    For me, it was puncture resistance. Cheap tires just flat a lot.

  • @christiankeim

    @christiankeim

    4 ай бұрын

    Same. Best tires, stainless cables. That's what matters

  • @santiagobenites
    @santiagobenites5 ай бұрын

    Thank you for taking the time to do this comparison. I don't have a huge budget, and I don't race, but tires are the one place where I feel much better spending the money to get a quality product.

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    don't cheap out on tires, trust me! it's one of the best performance per dollar spends you can make

  • @frozenbean
    @frozenbean5 ай бұрын

    The fact that neither of you brought tire levers, or a bead seating tool is hilarious to me for some reason. Good tests!

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    we brought tire levers, not even sure what a bead seating tool is, just use the tire levers for the win.

  • @fritzcortez-iu9yd
    @fritzcortez-iu9yd5 ай бұрын

    Yea man.. I've been waiting for your videos for about everyday.. Good job for uploading this one.. Keep it up & stay safe always..

  • @Mistadonthecyclist
    @Mistadonthecyclist5 ай бұрын

    Hey Jeff, could you do this with the Continental GP5000? Curious about how those compare! Love this test!

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    love my GP5k! I race and train on them. anecdotally they are fast and more durable than most other high performance race tires

  • @marcfarrelly5944

    @marcfarrelly5944

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@NorCalCyclinglove my GP5ks, I can lean into the like I am riding a motorbike race and a few crits while tailgunning it's been the difference between getting dropped and hanging in there. No other tyre (admittedly never tried the Vittoria's) has held me to the road like they do. I say this as someone who has patches all over both sides from pushing tyres to their limit and just past their limit.

  • @sarahtisdale3094

    @sarahtisdale3094

    5 ай бұрын

    I'd like to see comparison with ReneHerse Chinook Pass 28 tires in extra light sidewall.

  • @matthewkramer8613

    @matthewkramer8613

    5 ай бұрын

    I have been riding a few different brands, and most recently GP5000. The GP5000s have a nice ride quality, combining comfort, speed and grip. The other tires I have tried are Michelin Pro 4, Vitoria Rubino. The Pro 4s have excellent life and overall value. A good all around tire. The GP5000s have a glide quality that just feels faster than these others, noticeable performance. Vitoria Rubino seems to ware too quickly, although more grippy than Pro 4s. The Corsa's may be be a better tire than Runino but I have doubts about Vitoria's durability. For road tires, it way come down to budget and intended use. Performance versed trainer. If you see the GP5000s on sale or just want try them out, definitely give them a go.

  • @AllanPhillips
    @AllanPhillips5 ай бұрын

    Love this sort of thing - keep it coming!

  • @FlyingGravelMan
    @FlyingGravelMan5 ай бұрын

    I love all these comparisson videos. Always super thorough and exactly the information I'm looking for 👏👏👏👏

  • @pachr
    @pachr5 ай бұрын

    Nice! I used to have those roadsport 35mm on my gravel bike and they did feel particularly slow

  • @SpicyTrifongo
    @SpicyTrifongo5 ай бұрын

    I was getting 5-15% increases in times with no change in effort or aero position from switching from cheap pirelli tires that came with my bike using butiles tubes to pirelli pzeros with thermoplastic tubes. The variation in benefit was tied to the speed of the segment. Increase in ride quality on most surfaces as well.

  • @luisakinaga
    @luisakinaga5 ай бұрын

    I wanna see more of this Jeff

  • @nicholkid
    @nicholkid5 ай бұрын

    Always love your testing videos

  • @wertacus
    @wertacus5 ай бұрын

    Seems like a reasonable performance increase for not too much money. Ill plan that into my next set of tires as well as looking at tpu tubes if i can.

  • @TaichoCyclist
    @TaichoCyclist5 ай бұрын

    I run on Continental Gp5000s on my race wheels on races and special public events for performance and you know look good factors. However, I switch them out to cheap CST CITO tires from China (makers of Cheng Shin tire tubes) which costs USD13 each despite being rated as a race tire. They are great for training and all-day riding with a slight rolling resistance penalty. So far they hold up well with puncture resistance and decent road feel .

  • @CarnivoreDMD
    @CarnivoreDMD5 ай бұрын

    I just switched to Conti 5k’s from Vittoria Corsa cottons as they flattened all the time on rides. I did run a NEXT version for a short time with a 5k up front and it did much better than the cotton cased Corsa’s but we’re cutting a little more than the 5k so now just running the 5k’s. All clinchers c TPC orange tubes 25C.

  • @davidgeorge9233
    @davidgeorge92335 ай бұрын

    Spent 6 days in the Pyrenees on Corsa Next 28mm TLR and they were faultless, incredible down the Hautacam in torrential rain and then confidence inspiring descending many other mountains in the dry. One area they are letting me down is that they are a bit inconsistent in their sealing. I’m sometimes tempted to switch to the standard version with a latex tube but I love the ride feel of tubeless.

  • @Grunge_Cycling

    @Grunge_Cycling

    4 ай бұрын

    Latex is the way to go if you’re traveling far away from home

  • @cracked229
    @cracked2295 ай бұрын

    life's too short to run crap tires

  • @adunford2664
    @adunford26645 ай бұрын

    Great test. Can you do a similar test with tubeless/inner tubes too?

  • @bestretirementever7931
    @bestretirementever79315 ай бұрын

    Another great video. I’d really like to see you do Alviso on the Winspace.

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    coming!

  • @danreynolds1142
    @danreynolds11425 ай бұрын

    Great content, I have returned tires that are hard to mount. If I need a tire lever for them I won't use.

  • @Z1MWOODS
    @Z1MWOODS5 ай бұрын

    You should do mid range tire

  • @SimonGoesSideways
    @SimonGoesSideways5 ай бұрын

    The difference would be even bigger with faster rolling tyres, Corsa Next are not the best for that, but maybe they are good for comfort and confidence. it depends on the rider and their preference

  • @wesleyvandeurzen7199

    @wesleyvandeurzen7199

    5 ай бұрын

    There is only a 3W difference between the corsa next and gp5000.

  • @UltimateTuner10

    @UltimateTuner10

    5 ай бұрын

    @@wesleyvandeurzen71993w per tire = 6w total which is not insignificant. 6w could be a season worth of training for someone

  • @SimonGoesSideways

    @SimonGoesSideways

    5 ай бұрын

    @@wesleyvandeurzen7199 yes it's minimal, but in the test they would be at least 1 second faster (estimated calculation). Quite a difference at race speeds, even though none of us normal cyclist race !!

  • @ThomasHubik

    @ThomasHubik

    5 ай бұрын

    @@wesleyvandeurzen7199 In this video different tire width and rims was tested by PT, i jumped the last part where he used a different tire., ittoria corsa nxt. The original was the gp5000, the difference is quite huge, close to 10% at 35km of ALL resistances! Corsa next isnt a fast tire. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y5OZl9alfZitmZs.html

  • @ericcoxtcu8037

    @ericcoxtcu8037

    5 ай бұрын

    I had some Corsa Next - I will not buy them again. I really didn't like how they felt. It's completely subjective, but I much prefer the road feel of GP 5000s and P-zeros. I even prefer the stock Mavic High Roads that came on my current bike. This is purely anecdotal; something about them just didn't work for me.

  • @jwarmerdam7578
    @jwarmerdam75785 ай бұрын

    if you would compare inner tubes as well the difference would be even bigger. I went from standard tires and standard butyl inners to top end tires and latex inners. it immediately added +1/+1,5 Kph to my average speed, i was really amazed how big the difference was.

  • @martymiller4300
    @martymiller43005 ай бұрын

    69 year old 200 lbs Ben riding 6K/yr since 2008. Bought an Emonda SL 7 in June came on tubed only tires. Running 80psi rode it 35 miles first day no problem. Second day crossing town hit one of our’road irregularities’ and pinch flatted front and rear simultaneously. Unfamiliar bike might have felt wonky don’t know because after the next left turn I woke up with a broken helmet and an EMT asking me what day it was. Ambulance ride, missed day, fitted Conti GP 4 seasons I keep in stock. 3.5k on those with no more than normal goathead intrusions. Now on GP 5K ASTR at 70 psi tubeless. You can keep your $20 tires.

  • @ColdMamba78
    @ColdMamba785 ай бұрын

    Could you check if your time difference is matching the test bench power difference? You probably need a small power model for that. Usually we talk about few watts so it could match

  • @HuskyNoLimit
    @HuskyNoLimit5 ай бұрын

    Nice review! My question is are you guys using same wheelset? Coz that could change the outcome if one is diffent from the other test

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes we are

  • @aarondaniels319
    @aarondaniels3195 ай бұрын

    Nice one! This sport is so expensive it's nice to know where the $'s are well spent. Where is a poor place to spend $'s? Carbon rails, carbon stems, and high end pedals are significantly more expensive, but are they worth it? I love the #'s difference(time or weight but also how they feel/fun factor is important too!

  • @NicolasBeaulieuQc

    @NicolasBeaulieuQc

    Ай бұрын

    Tires and wheels seems to be wheres each dollar pay big

  • @kendalljamesmusic
    @kendalljamesmusic3 ай бұрын

    I run Corsas- and keep my eyes on Nashbar and Performance for deals. $55 today. Rubinos are a good compromise, and have a bit more durability

  • @happykanye
    @happykanye5 ай бұрын

    The vittorias are 45 in europe... what the hell are these US prices

  • @NicolasBeaulieuQc

    @NicolasBeaulieuQc

    Ай бұрын

    As canadian, I purchase my Vittorias online from a italian reseller. North american’s prices are a scam.

  • @BennyHubba
    @BennyHubba5 ай бұрын

    Great video

  • @dominickbrookes5103
    @dominickbrookes51035 ай бұрын

    Interesting. Could the rr improvement have diminishing returns?

  • @tomwills5485
    @tomwills54855 ай бұрын

    what thing that is hard to test over a short time period, but super important for training tires, and that is puncture resistance.

  • @bonbonflippers4298

    @bonbonflippers4298

    5 ай бұрын

    When people say training tires, they mean heavier and more puncture protection right? So for everyone out there that do not compare and compete, does slow tires actually not slow because there is no race to ride in?

  • @ggtr34
    @ggtr345 ай бұрын

    i hope to see you race on the Cheap Tires in Alviso, want to see if you can win the race. 😊

  • @NicolasBeaulieuQc
    @NicolasBeaulieuQcАй бұрын

    My personal sweet spot is the Vittoria’s Rubino pro. Somewhat about 40$ and you got something very good.

  • @niekversteege
    @niekversteege5 ай бұрын

    The screenshots of the SIlca calculator show 650b wheels. No idea if that affects anything but I noticed it.

  • @Fatbutnotflat
    @Fatbutnotflat5 ай бұрын

    you can reverse calculate the time saving to watt saving, and by my calculation the difference is 13 Watts. Am i correct? But yeah GP5000 is the benchmark nowadays

  • @81antiloop
    @81antiloop5 ай бұрын

    At 3:35 where u showed the savings. I get that the better tires shaved seconds off, but how is it average speed is faster for the supposedly slower tire ?

  • @truvc
    @truvc4 ай бұрын

    Do a comparison of tubed n tubeless

  • @TooManyWilliams
    @TooManyWilliams5 ай бұрын

    If I may ask a stupid question. Wouldn’t a tire with higher rolling resistance also have better grip? Are those factors synonymous?

  • @philslama8691
    @philslama86915 ай бұрын

    Damn I miss riding Hwy 9! 🤙

  • @tgc281
    @tgc2815 ай бұрын

    Compare them to the continental ultra sport 3. 30 bucks a tire and they are awesome.

  • @adunford2664

    @adunford2664

    5 ай бұрын

    I’ve run the older version for some years and they perform very well, lots of grip

  • @greghart6310
    @greghart63105 ай бұрын

    Speed aside, the feel of good tyres in the ride alone is enough to justify the expense. Supple, fast, grippy tyres feel AMAZING! There is so much glide when rolling through and the confidence they provide on steep technical descents cannot be understated

  • @wertacus

    @wertacus

    5 ай бұрын

    Absolutely! If the point of cycling is to go fast and have a good time then better tires check all the boxes

  • @EstelonAgarwaen
    @EstelonAgarwaen5 ай бұрын

    my current tires are vittoria p zero velo 28mm. they cost me 25€. theyre great.

  • @matthewnormand2041
    @matthewnormand20415 ай бұрын

    I can't imagine going back to something like Gatorskins. Even on my commuter with 10 speed Tiagra, I'm running 32mm GP5000 AS-TR tires set up tubeless. Overkill? Maybe. Am I happy with it? Oh, yes.

  • @clinlashway9147
    @clinlashway91474 ай бұрын

    Using your climbing data I came up with a Crr difference of 0.0012 just guessing your all-up mass at 90 kg. And actually a difference of 0.0012 isn't as bad as I would have expected. But this is likely in the range of 30% higher rolling resistance for the cheaper tire. At say 20 MPH (~9 m/s), that is about 10 W difference. Which is significant to me. While I don't race, I enjoy going as fast as I can. So, I'm more than happy to spend some extra money on the best tires I can get. Though I run GP 5000 STR tubeless tires. I wear out about 3 per year (1 front, 2 rear). Money well spent as far as I'm concerned.

  • @gerrysecure5874
    @gerrysecure58745 ай бұрын

    When I go downhill and the tire is the limiting factor I'm already suffering cardiac arrest.

  • @j.m.a.menocal1065
    @j.m.a.menocal10655 ай бұрын

    Conti, Gatorskin, 28, Hardshell, S. D. Cali Mexico City, PERIOD.

  • @peterl3463
    @peterl34635 ай бұрын

    Jeff let us no which rubber do you guys use?

  • @ChiTownBrownie89
    @ChiTownBrownie895 ай бұрын

    I agree its well spent for racing but for training I focus more on durability than speed.

  • @weerapat420
    @weerapat4203 ай бұрын

    Vittoria Corsa NEXT sucks in terms of rolling resistance but they're pretty light. Try the Corsa Pro vs the cheap tires you will see the bigger difference. or something like the GP5000s that is more affordable

  • @BrentThu
    @BrentThu5 ай бұрын

    Need to do this double blind!

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    it's true, and i need to figure out a way to safely run a true blind study. i'm open for suggestions.

  • @user-qy8ph8tf3d

    @user-qy8ph8tf3d

    5 ай бұрын

    @@NorCalCycling Rollers might do the trick, you can literally hide tyres from the rider and do consistent power

  • @scottc8351

    @scottc8351

    5 ай бұрын

    How can you take rollers as a meaningful measurement of rolling resistance though? Pretty much the furthest thing from rough and sometimes bumpy asphalt. Making assumptions like this is what led to people riding on 120 psi on the roads because it was faster on the track @@user-qy8ph8tf3d

  • @mrmarktucker
    @mrmarktucker5 ай бұрын

    *MEASURED Tire Width- on the Silca Calculator. Digital calipers are $7.99 on Amazon... small investment for tire testing. You'll be surprised how much difference there is in width from wheel to wheel (and PSI recommended). Example: I've run GP5000S TR 28mm on my Hyper D67s and they measure 29.2mm... 1mm is a 5psi difference on the calculator

  • @mrmarktucker

    @mrmarktucker

    5 ай бұрын

    *and at 7:10 you show the wrong wheel diameter on the calculator screen shot (650B instead of 700C.... also a 5 psi difference)

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    just the screenshot was wrong, the actual test had it right, woops! also i have a digital caliper, we used it in the next test, stay tuned!

  • @cokebottles6919
    @cokebottles69195 ай бұрын

    I can't honestly say I know the difference in feel, I've just always gone with the best tires I can get for the reasons stated. If I crash on a corner, I'd rather it be my fault than cheap equipment. I loved Continental until their latest tubeless/hookless tires which just can't run high enough pressures for my weight unless I'm rocking 30mm. Specialized RapidAir's are my favorites despite not having the life span of GP's.

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    you might be surprised, check out the video we did on pressures

  • @Zen.416
    @Zen.4165 ай бұрын

    Think it’s definitely a mental thing, you’re taking more risk with better tyre hence better time. Negotiable difference.👍

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    right i agree and say in the video that has a big part of it. but it's still a performance gain. This is why i urge people to have a race day wheel setup, for that placebo boost.

  • @burple65
    @burple654 ай бұрын

    Highway 9! My old stompin' grounds.

  • @laod7192
    @laod71925 ай бұрын

    Ignoring super cheap knock-offs, lower-tier tires from major brands usually have better puncture resistance and last longer. High-end tires are too lightweighted and get cut a lot. In the last 5 group rides my veloflex got 3 flats on Los Angeles roads. In contrast I got less than 3 flats during a year running cheaper tires. Unless you want to win every single local group ride, simply keep one set of wheels/tires for racing/KOMs, and one set for daily riding.

  • @Eirikkinserdal
    @Eirikkinserdal5 ай бұрын

    The happy medium is 50-60$ tires. Gp 5000s are often discounted to 45-50$

  • @taedollarsign
    @taedollarsign5 ай бұрын

    Jeff, if you do a blind test not knowing which tires you have then I think you can eliminate the psychological factor you mention at 6:34

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    i've thought about blind tests but hard to safely execute. I'm up for suggestions!

  • @Questioneverything72

    @Questioneverything72

    5 ай бұрын

    @@NorCalCycling​​⁠just a thought. stoppage power should be correlated with grippiness? No blind test needed. Just do a hard stop and see which one drags less. Side question : in Silca calculator did you account for real width of tires once pumped. not just 28mm. Makes a huge difference. And you used 650b rim vs 700c?!

  • @johnnycab8986
    @johnnycab89865 ай бұрын

    Seems like a pretty large difference in PSI, wonder what the results would be if both were run at the same PSI...seems kinda iffy to go by the online calc. Wheel Dia isn't set correctly either, dunno if that matters if both are at 650b.

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    got the screenshot wrong, but we had it dialed for the actual test. silca is not iffy, they're an industry leader, and they don't even make tires so it's very unlikely to be biased.

  • @Jackisaboss1208
    @Jackisaboss12085 ай бұрын

    A blind test on the descent would be cool!

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    💀💀 lol in all seriousness i'd love to do a blind test, but haven't figure out how. i'm open for suggestions.

  • @beauk7679

    @beauk7679

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@NorCalCyclingEasy, just put a blindfold on! 😂

  • @geraldarcuri9307
    @geraldarcuri93075 ай бұрын

    The climbing test numbers are within the margin of error for back-to-back runs by the same person. To really test speed, you would have to put ten riders on the exact same bike/wheel/tire combo, and let them freewheel downhill together. Test 2 is a good simulation. 9 seconds are hard to deny under any circumstances. I always buy Vittorias.

  • @Nerzyster
    @Nerzyster5 ай бұрын

    It's not all about time savings, really gains comes from much better grip, stability, comfort, prediction, etc.... In all conditions.

  • @barryliu3473
    @barryliu347314 күн бұрын

    mt palomar descent test???? thats dope

  • @barryliu3473

    @barryliu3473

    14 күн бұрын

    nvm ca 9

  • @carlosflanders518
    @carlosflanders5185 ай бұрын

    Stiffer sidewalls on cheaper tires means you should run considerably less pressure for similar road feel. Whether that would increase speed depends very much on the compound. No way the tire pressure calculator can account for this. One reason why the GP5000 and GP400- scores well on rolling resistance tests is stiffer sidewalls biasing the results on rollers. Need to run quite a bit lower for similar rides.

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    why assume the calculator won't account for this? I was under the impression that's exactly what the calculator accounts for.

  • @carlosflanders518

    @carlosflanders518

    5 ай бұрын

    @@NorCalCycling Turns out the calculator I looked at doesn't have this adjustment. There are a couple on the silca website. Glad they added in this feature. Not sure how I landed on the older one.

  • @TwoWheelFreedom-1
    @TwoWheelFreedom-15 ай бұрын

    we have $3 (₹200) tire in India. made for Indian roads , it has poor rolling on any roads. try ralson road bike tyre.

  • @BeyReaper
    @BeyReaper5 ай бұрын

    Wait did you set the psi optimizer to a 650b wheel? Was this on purpose bc you run 650bs?

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    just the screenshot was wrong, the actual test had it right, woops!

  • @Questioneverything72
    @Questioneverything725 ай бұрын

    If you don’t race and not after time saving, your priority for tire choice should be grip, reliability and the feel, because the difference is crashing or getting away. There are still cheap tires out there with good grip. Just slower.

  • @jesuisFORTIO
    @jesuisFORTIO5 ай бұрын

    what you guys think about tubeless for road?

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    yes, do it. Don't be like me and hold off, jump in it's worth it.

  • @rolffuchs2737
    @rolffuchs27375 ай бұрын

    I tried a lot of tires and I will never ride cheap tires again. The lack of comfort, grip an rolling resistance and in some cases puncture resistance are a no go for me. My choice is the Vitoria Corsa and I got a pair of it for 80 Dollars. The most comfy tires I`ve ever ridden are the Specialized Turbo Cotton but unfortunately they don`t have so gut puncture resistance. My personal resume is: Safe the money everywhere, but not on tires (it is the same with cars and motorbikes)

  • @lorenzodestefano4043
    @lorenzodestefano40435 ай бұрын

    I Pay corsa next clincher 35 euro, and tlr 45 euro, not that expensive. It is also intresting for the difference between the soloist and the winspace

  • @Ultegra10SPD
    @Ultegra10SPD5 ай бұрын

    Mama always said don't cinch on brakes or tires. -U10

  • @Dimashoey
    @Dimashoey5 ай бұрын

    No brake test?

  • @jempanuncialman9361
    @jempanuncialman93615 ай бұрын

    Nxt review continental as tr

  • @danza250
    @danza2505 ай бұрын

    Are you still running tubed or tubeless nowadays?

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    tubeless!!!

  • @ryancompton7598
    @ryancompton75984 ай бұрын

    Aero bars for vs non-aero bars of the same width

  • @JFomo
    @JFomo5 ай бұрын

    Cheap tires are slow, got it. Whats the difference between an $80 corsa NEXT tire vs tires ridden by world tour teams?

  • @kwtay1746
    @kwtay17465 ай бұрын

    The most basic principle for any test is to do it blind to eliminate bias and placebo effects. The performance difference may not be big as you made it to be.

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    The first part is an unbiased performance test. Looking for ways to safely do a true blind test for the second test I’m open to suggestions

  • @terrydalzell6928
    @terrydalzell69285 ай бұрын

    Would it not be a fairer playing g field if you were to ride without knowing which tyre you were on. Riding with the knowledge of wjat you are riding on will most certainly impact your thought process. Terry

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    Well the performance tests are objective but I totally agree the feeling part is subjective and I wish I could do a blind test just don’t know how to safely do it

  • @mikeporter8873
    @mikeporter88735 ай бұрын

    Its the feel and the longevity of that feel that makes a tire worth? it if you watch these comparison videos and they say a 20 rubber is as good as an 80 they have not ridden enough to know the difference this is not meant in a attitude of force but mearly an observation

  • @Simon_is_not_sure
    @Simon_is_not_sure5 ай бұрын

    Corsa NEXT tires aren't really fast rolling tires

  • @damionmandy7978
    @damionmandy7978Ай бұрын

    Corsa next tires cost a lot less than 80 dollars per tire, I've seen them cost as little as 35 dollars each online.

  • @stevenwiedel3122
    @stevenwiedel31225 ай бұрын

    120 dollars is only a “no brainer” to those who can afford the best. I’d prefer to drive a Porsche.. it’s a no brainer. So, in summary, the $80 tire performs marginally better than the $20 tire. It also has a better “feel” and affords better cornering and that elusive “placebo effect” that comes from knowing that you bought the best / most expensive product. Like you said: “It’s real!” Marginal gains for substantial expense. [although admittedly, expensive tires are faster than your carbon fiber bottle cages and saddle rails..]

  • @ericdavidson5011
    @ericdavidson50115 ай бұрын

    Well, at 5:40 you stated that you took the chain off the bike so you could not pedal it. Weel at the bottom of the hill is seems you were pedaling up the hill just fine? Junk!

  • @ppham
    @ppham5 ай бұрын

    ❤❤

  • @markxkovacic
    @markxkovacic5 ай бұрын

    Tire pressure is a big part of the equation. Good tires are the one place not to be cheap.

  • @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene
    @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene5 ай бұрын

    After 57 years of serious cycling, professional racing, full time cyclist, I was ready to quit cycling because of the horrid tires they have made for over the last half a century. Have used hundreds of brands of tires over the last 57 years. Using strong tires like, a Specialized Armadillo, Continental Gator skins, 700c x 25mm for 5 years, I was tired of flats, and after descending a mountain (road/paved) and hit a tiny stone in the road (28mm) and having my front tire blow out (125psi) I was ready to quit. I stopped riding road bikes and converted mountain bikes over to the road. Today I ride a converted 29er and 650b mountain bikes using 26inch wheels, flat bars with bar ends and aero-bars, disc brakes obviously, and.......!!!!!.......Schwalbe Marathon Plus 26x2 inch tires. I am in love with cycling again, have not had a flat in 30,000 miles, three years of road riding!!! Rolling resistance is low, cornering excellent, and they are quiet, very quiet. I run 60psi for my body weight but can lower the pressure for rougher roads with zero problems like pinch flats. I ride the extremes of terrain in Northern California wilderness, mountains and steep long climbs/descents and level/rolling terrain of the valley. Without Schwalbe I don't think I would be riding today. Many people use the wrong tire pressures in these Schwalbe Marathon Plus's, they complain about ride quality but have them pumped to maximum. These cyclists usually are unaware of and lack the skill in riding narrow stiff racing bikes. Technique and skill are 80% of a comfortable ride, Fork 10% and tire/wheel 5% and frame 5%. What happened to curved rake steel fork??? Don't forget the PLUS, the Marathon without the PLUS is not as good at defending flats. I am: (Full-time cyclist, no car. = tourist, former ultra-marathon pro, commuter, off-roader since 1983, and still do high intensity training)

  • @LTBlightthebeam
    @LTBlightthebeam5 ай бұрын

    Comparisons should have cheap, mid, high options

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    this video was already pretty heavy with testing, but maybe for the next one 🤙

  • @LTBlightthebeam

    @LTBlightthebeam

    5 ай бұрын

    Understood about adding another tire being a significant amount of more work for you. Us viewers want it all. I think the midrange is usually the sweet spot and most attainable by the normal viewer.

  • @user-qy8ph8tf3d

    @user-qy8ph8tf3d

    5 ай бұрын

    @@LTBlightthebeam Corsa N.EXT (the one they used in the video) is actually a mid range tyre according to Vittoria. It was never ment to replace older Corsa, but uses nylon instead of cotton in regular Corsa. Corsa Pro is the top tier and regular Corsa (previous gen) is also faster than N.EXT. Corsa Speed is the fastest one in the lineup with Corsa N.EXT being the slowest one between all corsas

  • @darrencarlton7517
    @darrencarlton75175 ай бұрын

    Clinchers for the win!!!!

  • @ElonMuckX
    @ElonMuckX5 ай бұрын

    Maybe test tires from the same brand, to see a difference.

  • @robertcatuara5118
    @robertcatuara51185 ай бұрын

    Seems like it should have been a blind test. Knowing what tire you were on skews the results.

  • @emrahkhan
    @emrahkhan5 ай бұрын

    how can someone have better avg speed and yet be a second slower? I suppose we need to factor in how good you guys corner or something.

  • @JayLato
    @JayLato5 ай бұрын

    But Corsa Next are very slow tires! Comparison should have been against gp5k. Peak torque tested corsa next 19 watts slower than gp5k.

  • @bikemirror6620
    @bikemirror66205 ай бұрын

    Try wet braking performance

  • @Matt-Wolf
    @Matt-Wolf4 ай бұрын

    lol why you use bars, when you don't start them at 0? The bars size is meant to be proportional to your value, so now it looks Will did cut circa 1/3th of his time when descending, while it's only 4.8% when you do the numbers. First rule of visualizing data: Always start bar charts at 0!

  • @greghart6310
    @greghart63105 ай бұрын

    "Puncture resistance " is not worth considering, ANY tyre will be ripped to shreds within a year around where I live. Id rather ride something that feels and runs great than a hard slippery brick.

  • @KKoji
    @KKoji5 ай бұрын

    The most expensive tires are manufactured with minimum weight, do not change the wheel balance. If you balance cheap tires you will feel the sensation of a high-end tire.

  • @kge420
    @kge4205 ай бұрын

    Now give us the best tire at $50. A happy medium so to say.

  • @newoldsteel
    @newoldsteel5 ай бұрын

    This is perfect if you are a racer, everything counts and your data is rock solid. Personally I’d rather save money and am 100% willing to sacrifice a few seconds for durability.

  • @gmen1305

    @gmen1305

    5 ай бұрын

    I feel opposite & I'm not a racer (any longer) - for me the quality of the ride is most important and why I run the Vittoria tires - they have so much of a better road comfort level

  • @NorCalCycling

    @NorCalCycling

    5 ай бұрын

    ride quality will feel a little different, but if that's not important to you, and you're not racing or cornering or in a hurry, than other options like the roadsport are just fine.

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