20 tester is impossible for individual developers ...

@bhai4you

5 ай бұрын

You don't have any friends??

@arunk2710

5 ай бұрын

It's not impossible. It's easy to get 20 testers if you have lots of friends. If you have built an audience on social media by posting what you're building, it gets much easier. The hardest part is to make them use it for at least 2 weeks.

@bhai4you

5 ай бұрын

​@@arunk2710they don't need to use 14 days continuously only need is to once install and open that's it. I have completed 20 tester task now waiting for 14 days , mostly uninstalled app currently 3 active users. still counting on progress.

@MikoajLech-up4rz

4 ай бұрын

@Mr.Coffee576 I look for 20 people to test my app. If you also look, please leave a message.

@thefearoftheduck

4 ай бұрын

@@bhai4younop

Monopoly, Monopoly, Monopoly, Monopoly , Monopoly that's why such a stupide rules

I think its about time some new company started replacing google... This is completely made to make less competition for well established apps and cut off smaller devs.

@Gupatik

3 ай бұрын

unfortunately this is what happens when a companie takes over the market

Its so anti-developer! Both app and play store. We need a better, dev-friendly app model!

@user-kh3uz7xe3x

5 ай бұрын

Just stop using this shit company called google

@martinseal1987

5 ай бұрын

Yes

Your first suggestion is the exact issue with this policy, making it so hard to get past the ideation stage will just cause people to not try new ideas. Some ideas are not well defined until they are written into code and tested in production and iterated upon. This is what pivoting in startups is all about. Platforms should provide space for experimentation. I understand some testers, but why 20? That is the sort of safe and round number not based on any evidence that could have only come up from a middle management meeting.

@robertkluttz8313

3 ай бұрын

I think the problem here is the whole app-store paradigm, not the application creation. Android (and iOS) are just OS's on small computers that also happen to be phones. The entire idea of a company having control over what you can and cant do with a device that you own is ludicrous. Sideloading, otherwise known simply as installing a program on any other non-phone or tablet device, should be implicit. Ability to lock out the creator of the device should be as well. App store usage should be optional, not a requirement.

Just when we were about to publish our company's android app, we find out apparently we need a freaking DUN's number that we didn't know we would need. Forcing us to wait 1 month or pay 230 dollars. This is called extortion and coercion. This procedure just makes everyone's life more difficult. I can't believe I am forced to wait 30 days or pay 230 bucks. It's beyond ridiculous.

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

As far as I know, you don't need it, yet. But you need to supply a time in which you will provide that D-U-N-S Number. I talk more about that process here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHph28uMhLO9f9Y.html

@THORNBYTE

6 ай бұрын

I tried to create a developer's account for an organization using a regular gmail account, and the signup process gets stuck when it asks me for my D-U-N-S Number. Should I create a google account linked to a domain and give it another shot?

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

Ah, I see. Your account is new. I wouldn't recommend creating another random account to sidestep anything. Even though it stinks up front, I would go through the steps as Google has prescribed them. Google does not take kindly to people it detects has tried to duck the rules and often permanently terminates them. Stick with it, work with them, and you'll have a good, long-standing status with them.

@martinseal1987

5 ай бұрын

Did you actually say, if someone does it already you shouldn't bother 🤦‍♀️

@THORNBYTE

5 ай бұрын

Update: We ended up paying $240 for expedited process. However, the customer support guy who was filling out the form for me over the phone call wrote down an incorrect company number with a spelling error and letters missing. I had to call them 2 or 3 times asking them to fix my company name. It took about 12 days of struggling and waiting, so if you're going to pay for expedited process and your project is time sensitive MAKE SURE they get your company name right or you'll end up paying money and still losing time.

man google are turning into monsters. ive been app dev since 2002 and I am gonna stop bothering.

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

I would honestly encourage you to keep going. Don't let one policy change break your career. Build public interest and get an excited community around your work. The most successful developers are also part entrepreneurs.

@TYNEPUNK

6 ай бұрын

@@tldrandroidyeh to be honest app dev doesnt excite me anymore anyway.. been doing it far too long. thanks for the words of encouragement though.

@deviantstudio

2 ай бұрын

@@tldrandroid if we develop android apps it doesn't mean we should stick to the google play. there are tons of options, huawey app gallery, ios development eventually. google just keep losing devs interest to their eco system. and it's good actually. that's how the new hero will born. new OS? new app store? who knows

What does "opt in for 14 continuous calendar days" mean ? I'm a bit lost. - Do they have to open the app every day ? - Do they have to check a button every day ? - Do they just need to not opt out ? Also does it need to be 20 testers at the same time ?

@vjndr32

Ай бұрын

have the same questions as you. i know it needs to be 20 testers for 14 days. but how would it measure 14 continuous days? i think they are keeping us in dark on purpose so that nobody can hack their way through it.

Thank you for the video. I just understood one thing about this new stupid policy; Google says we don't need new play console accounts, that's it.

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

I recommend holding onto old accounts, if you can. No reason to unnecessarily create a new account, because you would need to pay that $25 registration fee again.

@AMINEABBAOUI

5 ай бұрын

yes exactly

Don't care what anyone says, this new policy sucks majorly. I think users can decide if an app sucks or not. We have a feature called "reviews" and also fast internet. We don't need this.

If Google wants only well deserved apps on Play Store, they should just have a policy if the app has no one downloading or actively using for a year, then it will be taken down.

Just started putting my first game on the google play store and hit the 20 playtests requirement part and for the life me I can’t get more then 4 people to opt in to my game. 😢

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

Sorry to year that, Henry. Start with the recommendations I laid out in 05:01 What You Should Do. Talk about it often and start networking.

@rabitneo9

6 ай бұрын

Hi, i have the same problem. If you like, we could test our apps for each other.

@levonayvazyan2739

5 ай бұрын

@@rabitneo9 We need to find 17 more ...

@MadFroggysTech

5 ай бұрын

Yes me tooo

@OfficialYouTube3

2 ай бұрын

Put me down as 1

..and here we go, people already sucking up to new changes and explaining that it is great and that what you need.

@martinseal1987

5 ай бұрын

Haven't worked at a single company that has more than 6 or 7 testers

if anyone needs a tester, I can test on 2 devices in exchange for you testing my applications

@BlackLixt

3 ай бұрын

i can do this

@deniskoval5182

3 ай бұрын

давай

@Justexplainhow

2 ай бұрын

I'm in

@deniskoval5182

2 ай бұрын

@@Justexplainhow I can test your app on 20 devices!

@denizforst

Ай бұрын

stilllooking? :) did you manage to publish your app?

13:53 . 99% developers first thoughts :)

Hi, do you know what would happen if.. let's say.. two testers miss one day out of the 14 days, do they have to do the whole process again from the beginning?

Do they have to test it at the same time? I mean could some of them test it in the next 14 days, later the others? And If I want to update something, add new features, do I have to start over?

very detail and informative video, tk you very much. Keep up the good work!

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you found it helpful!

Things like flappy bird will never exist again, indie devs would not be able to test the waters on their game by releasing it to the public ever. Feedback is BS if you are releasing a game how are you going to find people that like that type of game, that plays that type of game... I was on a round of looking for answers to start testing some game dev for android, gotta say im out even before I was in what a bunch of BS

Hello sir, how can I check whether the accounts I have summoned are testing the application I published every day. I can't see which accounts are testing my app every day in a row

I have apps and couldn't publish on google play. Because of testing issue with 20 people and also you wait for months.. I paid 25$ damn money is gone. It is a trap. Easy money. Google hasn't AI to test the apps? Do I have to contact 20 people for testing damn rules.

Thanks for a detail information on this policy, and i have an doubt does this testing criteria applies when we newly launch the app or for each update we need to review it for 14 days? And what if we get potential bugs on the initial days of testing and when resolved and if re-upload will this break the streak ?

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

This only applies for new accounts wanting to publicly release a new app, not for app updates. Once your app is approved for production release, you should be good, unless you break some sort of Google Play policy in the future. I don't believe that re-uploading you app during the internal testing phase would reset your 14-day counter. In fact, that is what Google wants you to do, fix things based on feedback before hitting production.

where to find 20 testers ?

I have recently built a watch face for Wear OS devices, it's basically just like a wallpaper and how can people test this? I mean it's like a one way method, just install and set it as watch face or wallpaper. Don't know how can I qualify this testing phase.

dude!!!! amazing video

But this is what makes Intellectual Property theft easier for scammers, unethical developers, hackers and pretty much anyone that wants to take advantage of your idea. this decision for many testers is just wrong, it should have been 5 max.

what is the meaning of 14 days of testing, do you send a test link every day to each user tester or what, how do testers give feedback

Thank you!

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

If i created my account like a year ago, but i haven't verified it yet do i still have to get 20 testers before publishing my app?

@glinershow6434

6 ай бұрын

he can do the verification now@anvwrk5341

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

As of right now, now. This only applies to new individual accounts created after November 13th, 2023.

@wowfmomf6126

6 ай бұрын

@@tldrandroid yes i was able to publish without testing. My app is in review.

@niekotunemoki

3 ай бұрын

@@tldrandroidVEry bad and want my 25$ again

A new solution! Migrate to Apple, Huawei, Xiaomi etc.. Google wants that with new shit rules

@MobileDeveloper1965

2 ай бұрын

Does apple requires developers having their own testers?

Good channel... you deserve more audience.

Learn of this today after couple of weeks in development very basic game. Thanks for the information.

please i want to ask what if the testers download the app and delete it did this will be counted? or they have to persist using my app for 14 days ?

@OfficialYouTube3

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they must test the app for at least 20 minutes on two separate occasions every day and each occasion must be separated in time by at least 2 hours. If the first occasion on a particular day takes place later than 10pm local time then the process has failed and they must start over at day 1.

So let me get this straight, I have to do this for every single android app I want to upload, while organizations can just upload apps with no verified testing? I don't understand how that improves the situation at all since I would assume that most of the crap, soul less apps are from software factories that can be verified as an organization. Also the notion that you should know whether or not there is a demand for your app before developing it is laughable. Am I really supposed to do market research? What's wrong with there being apps no one uses on the app store? If the issue is about apps not working like they are supposed to, then it just seems irrelevant. Again, seems strange to me since app factories are organizations that can churn our ad-laden garbage at record speeds, and these rules don't even apply to them. Lastly, I haven't heard 2 words about how this benefits me at all. Does it help with my visibility? I'm 15 years late to the game, and the app store already has millions of apps to compete with. Even if this were a good idea, Google took way too long to make this change.

Can anyone help me with this? 1- I added a tester email to my list and gave shared link to my friend and he just accepted it and didn't install the app, but still google says 1 person opted in..is that it? or the tester should install the app and use it every day? do they have a way of knowing if someone actually is using it? 2- do you have to do this for every version and update or it's just for the first one?

@rafikamari5819

Ай бұрын

How are things going with you.. is it just accepting the test is that all? Or what.. can you plz respond.. thanks

@hoomannajafi5787

Ай бұрын

@@rafikamari5819 well more than 20 testers opted in but not all of them installed the app and not all of the installed ones used the app..after 14 days google asked a few questions and we answered them briefly. finally they said your testers didn't participate in the test and you didn't answer the questions as we expected..do the test with real users for another 14 says again!!!

Are these 20 tests required only when the apps are published for the first time? Or every time?

@OfficialYouTube3

2 ай бұрын

They are required every time, and on the fifth time google actually requires 1,000 testers. Idk why no one mentions that

are these conditions and restrictions applied only on new created google play console accounts or what ? i meant that conditions ( 20 testers ) ?

@bhai4you

5 ай бұрын

Only for new created accounts after dec 23

Bold of them to think people don't just literally pay people to just leave 5 star reviews anyway. On the bright side, my app idea is going to be so useful that I fully doubt I will struggle. I'm going to use it in every video I make to showcase how great it is.

Why google cant test apps like Huawei does and other Asian app stores?

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

Google has quite a bit of automated testing. However, nothing beats humans and humans are expensive. They need to make sure it is worth their time.

Damn. I feel very lucky for having my developer account for about 4 years now. Best of luck to newcomers

@joses2712

4 ай бұрын

Who says they can't extend it to older accounts tomorrow? The Google guys just seem to pull out ideas from their rear-end anytime they want.

Great video, what to do if “almost” Al your network has iOS devices?

@MayoSpeak

5 ай бұрын

It's hard for new developers now :(

@OfficialYouTube3

2 ай бұрын

I would recommend starting a new life and identity in a new country like Vietnam or The Crow Indian Reservation of North Dakota

Do need to use the test software every day for 14 days? Is there any time limit on usage?

@OfficialYouTube3

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they must test the app for at least 20 minutes on two separate occasions every day and each occasion must be separated in time by at least 2 hours. If the first occasion on a particular day takes place later than 10pm local time then the process has failed and they must start over at day 1.

@touseefijaz8233

Ай бұрын

@@OfficialKZread3 how do you know this?

How long must the testers play the app? And must they do it consecutively every single day?

@laujimmy9282

3 ай бұрын

14 days continuously

@OfficialYouTube3

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they must test the app for at least 20 minutes on two separate occasions every day and each occasion must be separated in time by at least 2 hours. If the first occasion on a particular day takes place later than 10pm local time then the process has failed and they must start over at day 1.

@matheusleite5643

2 ай бұрын

@@OfficialKZread3 lol

@phuongthaonguyen7955

2 ай бұрын

@@OfficialKZread3where is this rule? Can I see to confirm?

@MayKayy

2 ай бұрын

@@OfficialKZread3 f**k this shit

Do I need a Business Gmail Account for a company Google Play Store Developer Account?

I have made ave my developer account before nov 13 2023. But not published app and the app is presently saved as draft in my developer account. Will have to follow to same rules of 20 app testers. ?

@OfficialYouTube3

2 ай бұрын

Just checked the rule book... sorry bud, you actually need 100 testers

@rafikamari5819

Ай бұрын

No your account doesnt need testers at all.. (for now)

isn't there a way to shove aside playstore and still make our projects for mobile ??

Hi do these testers can be my friends ? Or they need to be developers?

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

They can be anyone. These testers do not need to be developers. As long as they are real, legitimate people, not spam accounts, or one person impersonating several people, you are good.

@Squadbusterskingz

6 ай бұрын

@@tldrandroid thank you

That testers are only with the first application or with all

20 is wild. But can you show us how to do it? Create new account and publish it, show us how to be the tester, cuz i dont have any account, and i dont know how it work. I just research first before minding my apps.

Thank you for the video, but really, music is too loud

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

I didn't realize that until after I posted it. Noted for the future. It does have complete captions if you were having a hard time hearing me.

This will only push indie devs to publish in iOS.

@MobileDeveloper1965

2 ай бұрын

iOS is not easy too

this is poor decision

i am just trying to publish a watch face, does that also need this level of testing?

I understand that the latest update is that this apply to ALL accounts, not only to new accounts.

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

As of right now, no. Only new accounts which are submitting new apps are required to do this.

@Valero7

5 ай бұрын

I stand corrected. Thanks@@tldrandroid

@dimas.subaktianto

5 ай бұрын

​@@tldrandroidnew account of google account or new play console account?

@laujimmy9282

3 ай бұрын

​@@dimas.subaktiantonew play console account

I suspect that some people in Google make this 20 testers policy and then start a business selling a service to fulfilling the requirements for indie developers. They will make lot of money.

why would you give out your ideas on twitter?

Good advice bro. I have an account that has survived all these regulations. its all about doing what they ask of us, then we all good.

Egyptian solution, they made a facebook group to approve for each others 😂

Does this mean 20 testers should open app each and every day for 14 days? Which means if a tester fails to open the app for a day, it starts to count again.

Thank you so much for this video, next time please check your volume 😢

I just created my dev acc yesterday =(

So if we summarize this it's no point building Android apps. Even if you manage to find 20 testers and have created something you believe in there's still a risk Google will say meh!

This Policy Is All Over world ? Ya Only Some Regions?

@laujimmy9282

3 ай бұрын

All over the world

Fisrt view keep it up

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

Will do! Thanks for tuning in.

Your background music is too loud😢

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

I didn't realize that until after I posted it. Noted for the future. It does have complete captions if you were having a hard time hearing me.

Funny. I just watched a vid saying that google's android is losing to apple's iOS. I guess it's definitive now.

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

"Losing" is a very broad term that would need to encompass many variables to accurately define. To be honest, Google was the first one to take this plunge, but I would not be surprised if Apple followed suit in some fashion in the near future. Usually, they both follow each other's lead.

The requirement is that each of the 20 testers must have been opted-in continuously for the last 14 days. This means that each tester needs to use the app continuously for 14 days, ensuring they provide feedback consistently over that period. It's not about random usage by different testers, but rather about ensuring sustained engagement from each individual tester over the specified timeframe.

This is extremely dark stuff!! "You mess with us? You get cancelled!!!"

Llevo trabajando durante 1 año en una App y cuando voy felizmente a publicarla me encuentro con esto, realmente lloré literalmente de frustración

i cant here u with the music

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

I didn't realize that until after I posted it. Noted for the future. It does have complete captions if you were having a hard time hearing me.

Just asking... can i make 20 gmail accounts with my own phone numbers and act as a real 20 different persons, to enroll in close app testing, is it possible or if google can find the culprit?

@junaidansaari240

6 ай бұрын

no , i tried it but its not working , you shoud have 20 different mobiles. i completed it with the help of my classmates. now my creteria is completed, days are are counting , my 10 days are left . kindly pary for my app . i am working hard on my app.

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

I mentioned this under the things you should not do section, at the very end starting at 13:53. If you did that, @ashwanikumarchaturvedi7925 and @junaidansaari240, I would be concerned that Google would catch on and could get your account shut down. Don't try to sidestep their requirements, but work with Google on this.

@ashwanikumarchaturvedi7925

6 ай бұрын

@@tldrandroid Thanks bro, for your valuable reply...

@momohfemi2473

6 ай бұрын

​@@junaidansaari240could you assist me with 20 emails

@valentinaperisic7044

4 ай бұрын

​@@junaidansaari240can you let us know if your testers had to open the app every day for 14 days or just download it on the phone is enough. Thanks!

Everything was clear and well presented until the OOMP PAH PAH OOMP PAH PAH polka music spun out of control at the end. Really weird to mix this in a logical talk like this, and no one can hear you. I know you weren't aware of it but is there any way you can remove that bizarre music track and repost?

@tldrandroid

6 ай бұрын

Hello Bill. Thanks for your honest feedback. It's really helpful and, yes, unfortunate that I missed it. I cannot fix it in this video, but I do have full closed-captions enabled. If you can't hear me, just turn on CC and I made sure to have accurate captions included with this video.

Man, I really am a month late lmao

Meanwhile scammers making knock off apps pay to win or pay to use have no obstacles.

Next time please make the music volume lower.

What a stupid policy! It has no purpose. It's a completely anti-individual developer policy. Personally, I'm new to mobile software and didn't know about this and paid $25 for nothing! I think it's time for a new company to replace Google.

so 20 testers, using the app for testing for 14 days straight? wow

The worst idea ever. I dont need google apple store. I put the applications on my website with pay subscriptions. If for each application wich i will make i need 20 testers that means, that for 5 applications i need 100 testers :). Good joke!

I'll releace a new solution to solve you problems this week. Just need few more sim cards! Leave a like to contact this week.

@odangaochieng3887

4 ай бұрын

what's your solution?

We really need to be pushing back on this bullshit instead of rolling over and taking it, apps should be like youtube videos, theres some real stinkers, but people watch it day after day, who are you to tell.me whats quality, maybe they need a filter or something i can see the motivation but this is awful

Shame on you Google....

Closed testing service for those who need it, only 10 USD 👍

I guess I'll just build PWAs :)

End game mobile dev, hard survive like this

Lower the background music next time.

i think it will boost the devs accounts black market. there are thousands unused accs, so devs would happily sell them to newcomers

Just charge for the play account like Apple does. This is just unnecessary.

That is horrible and result is less new app creators and more tik tok dancers. Simple as that.

So it's not only 20 testers, but there's additional loops you have to jump through? Yeeeah... Time to slap together a simple business and get that DUNS number to create a "business" account instead. Probably costs 50€ more but I'd rather pay that than touch this "tester" mess

I bet as i type this comment right now, there are already a few numbers of new websites out there offering a 20$ single pay per app for 20 testing service. Lol 😂 This is what they want to create. New kind of companies.

FInding 20 testers doesn't seem like a big deal other than the coordination. I suppose Github is probably the best way to log issues.

Jesus fucking christ man😂 this is insane

If someone has an account existing) made before 13 of nov, do let me know i need to Publish my apps, i can pay for using your acc

@tldrandroid

4 ай бұрын

I'm going to step in here and say absolutely do NOT do this. If you are caught, both you and the account you share will likely be permanently banned for sidestepping this rule.

Hey friend, google play market is global store, so you say only about countries like usa, uk, australia but here is more than 3 billion non-english talking peoples and they don't need X or netflix. If you or google loves monopolism, do not project it for all world android users.

this guy just told us to share the app idea before even starting to code lmao, are you hunting for ideas my man ? BS

i just did a test with apps, disabling google play. and most ofmy apps wouldn't work. bull crap google. ur'e evil. kijiji, neighbourhood,brave, chrome, firefox i think? all had issues working. so u can't really use any of ur media apps, without ENABLING THIS CRAPPY CONTROLLING app. i disable it when I download apps from other sites. like movie apps, etc.

u are using a annoying music

Most stupid thing

Turn down your background music. It makes your voice inaudible. Disliked

i found a group of testers from CSI (ex soviet union),and the fact that i can speak russian helped me talking with them. i'm testing since 12 days,i hope all will go good

@alirezakar2077

Ай бұрын

Hey , can U share link or contact for test my app I need some group for test