How powerful and bad do you think the Red Room program is compared to Hydra and A.I.M?

@SuperlativeEgo

2 жыл бұрын

Are you CBR?

@vanilla_ice.08

2 жыл бұрын

😱 idkkk

@e-brown

2 жыл бұрын

I think they were equally bad but Hydra was more torturous and brutal than the Red Room

@ytllama-yeetklep8474

2 жыл бұрын

not as big or dangerous to the world as hydra but still brain washing kids and saying snap your friends neck is bad but too release these people in the real world is even more evil

@multifandomesimp8732

2 жыл бұрын

Didnt hydra make the red room??

We've never really fully grasped how horrific Natasha's past was. Black widow finally gave us that and now we can truly sympathise with her. She deserves happiness and redemption

@holajadee633

2 жыл бұрын

exactly. even though i was aware, the opening credits opened my eyes a lot more

@Jamie_Winsh

2 жыл бұрын

@@holajadee633 completely agree

@laurieladeesse3769

2 жыл бұрын

But they gave us crumbs. Literally crumbs. We still had to deduce most of the atrocities they went trough

@ranitsarkar495

2 жыл бұрын

I really never thought about it and I deeply express my regret for that..................... Never tried to understand Natasha's horrific and struggling past childhood days...😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@ranitsarkar495

2 жыл бұрын

@@holajadee633 mine too........😭

Did anyone remember the suit that Nat wear in Infinity War? Yelena gave Nat her jacket thing and Nat decided to wear the jacket thing in Infinity War. It's a fun little detail.

@blaze556922

2 жыл бұрын

It has a lot of pockets :)

@lalnunsangiralte8964

2 жыл бұрын

@@blaze556922 yeah

@rerun1373

2 жыл бұрын

Yea

@rerun1373

2 жыл бұрын

Nat was wearing the jacket at the end of the movie

@lalnunsangiralte8964

2 жыл бұрын

@@rerun1373 yep. She's beautiful

Didn’t you pay attention to the movie? Loki didn’t call Nat Dreykov’s daughter, he was trying to break her, by making her feel guilty for killing Dreykov’s daughter Antonia. Come on people, it’s not difficult 😂

@Hannah_Riddle

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@eliisalieass7278

2 жыл бұрын

My man do be spitting facts

@JJN-Studios

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what I came down here to comment! Thank you!

@niehuaisangsknees

2 жыл бұрын

this is exactly what i was about to comment

@helloder3639

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh black widow took place after civil war, four years after the loki interrogation

Her birth name is Natalia Alianova Romanova in the comics. Yelena will more than likely be the white widow

@sunsetsisters

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard of yelena being called the red widow.

@sunsetsisters

2 жыл бұрын

@Jemma Morse I read some books that referred to yelena as the red widow, but maybe that was just for the books.🤷‍♀️

@cartoonuniverse24

2 жыл бұрын

​@@sunsetsisters what books?

@sunsetsisters

2 жыл бұрын

@@cartoonuniverse24 black widow: forever red and black widow: red vengeance

@cartoonuniverse24

2 жыл бұрын

@@sunsetsisters Yelena wasn't the Red Widow in those. Ava Orlova was. Yelena was the Crimson Widow in the Avengers cartoon

When you said that there was "nothing stronger than a ballerina" ...it made me feel so happy because I've done ballet for 8 years but everyone I meet doesn't see the big deal because it looks "so easy to do"

@Pine_slice

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@belrose4318

Жыл бұрын

My brother said he was way stronger than me so i told him to try and stand on the very tips of his toes without crushing his whole foot, that showed him

@Nunyabusinesssa

Жыл бұрын

Same. I felt flattered because everyone thinks ballet is so easy. They should see our feet though😂 only ballerinas are gonna get what I meant

I love how it’s coming to light how powerful ballet dancers are

Natasha is my idol; she is always calm, cool and collected with the occasional witty humour or snarkiness. When it comes down to fighting, her skills do not disappoint and I WISH I could defend myself like that. She is just so generally badass and awesome. RIP Natasha 👇🏼if you agree

@Kaiii_yza

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone loves Black Widow. Then there's sexists

@MsObeyy

2 жыл бұрын

honestly yes. i cried in the movie theater. how dare they

I truly think The Red Room is the most terrifying concept in the Avengers, applying to humans of course. We got a glimpse into another black widow’s, Dottie Underwood, training and it’s honestly terrifying and it’s been going on for nearly 100 years. Handcuffed to the beds, forced to kill each other from a young age, non-consensual sterilisation. I couldn’t even imagine if it was real!

in the comics Natasha is actually named Natalia Alianovna Romanova and she was born in 1928, she´s just 10 years younger than Steve Rogers. And also in the comics they don't inject the super soldier serum on the black widows, but instead a special serum that enhanced their abilities, time to recover from wounds and slow their aging, that serum was created by Melina. Also in the comics Alexei isn't Natasha's adoptive (in a mission) father but instead his husband for a period of time, and she was adopted by a soldier named Ivan.

@redlily7115

Жыл бұрын

Actually you're wrong about the one who created the serum. In the comics, Melina wasn't even how she is in the movies, she was the Iron Maiden and she hated the Black Widow and hates the fact she lives in the shadow of Black Widow. The one who created the serum that made them young and stronger was Dr. Lyudmila Kudrin, look for her in Black Widow Volume 3. Also, there was no confirmation Natalia was born in 1928, that was only one of the speculations of her early history but no actual confirmation.

4:25 in endgame, when she’s at the desk eating the peanut butter sandwich, you can see pointe shoes on the chair!! likely meaning that she did ballet after the snap. maybe to cope? idk but it’s a cool easter egg!

@otterdraws

2 жыл бұрын

That's so coooool 😃 I really didn't notice it 😅

@kada32

2 жыл бұрын

I loved that Easter egg! I geeked out in the theater. Lol

@ako3624

2 жыл бұрын

:( I saw a post on Reddit and it said it might be a refercance to how the red room trained their widows to do ballet. it was quite effective, since ballet makes your legs and arms strong but doesn’t build too much chunky muscle which is what the needed for the girls since they’re supposed to be slim and attractive in undercover missions instead of bulky. It’s quite sad. In age of ultron, Wanda does the whole mind magic stuff, on Natasha and we see a bunch of older girls (maybe 16?) dancing to ballet as music plays being told to do the dance over and over again. Natasha watches her own memories and says to the woman who (probably) taught her a bunch of things, ‘ you’ll break them.’ And the woman replies ‘ only the breakable ones. It’s all very depressing. Also it’s very probable that they made them do a ballet dance until their pointe shoes started showing the blood from their feet, painting the floor with blood. And the first 3 to drop to the floor out exhaustion and are killed for not being good enough…

@leahspidey2656

2 жыл бұрын

@@ako3624 i’m aware of that! but old habits die hard and maybe ballet could’ve been something she actually liked from her childhood despite all the other stuff 🤷‍♀️

@ako3624

2 жыл бұрын

@@leahspidey2656 huh, now that I think about it, your kinda right, . It does makes sense for her to enjoy ballet. I can see that :) that’s much nicer than that paragraph I wrote lmao

Not to mention how a Black Widow can use the art of seduction. No other avenger could get someone as vulnerable as she could. I'd fall for her... just saying.

@nibble3713

2 жыл бұрын

simpifed

@sewingbea9356

2 жыл бұрын

Same 😅

@laurieladeesse3769

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the face of Thor, Steve, Tony, arhem, and everyone else? I would fall for them too.

@nibble3713

2 жыл бұрын

@@laurieladeesse3769 Have you literally seen goose? the one that scratched Nick Fury's eye out? i would fall for that cat anyday.

@Night.sweetdreams

2 жыл бұрын

I have already fell

He wasn't implying that she was Dreykov's daughter. He was implying about what happened to Dreykov's daughter, who, till then was considered dead. 'Killed' by Natasha

Why is it that nobody ever talks about how her name is ALWAYS been wrong? As a Russian, Romanoff is the Russian name for a man but a woman's name would be Romanova, the family's name uses ova at the end to denote the feminine name but Marvel probably didn't know this rule back in the1960s when they created the character and the incorrect name has persisted for nearly60 years now

@AelitaUndomiel

2 жыл бұрын

Her birth name is Natalia Romanova

@dragonweyr44

2 жыл бұрын

@@AelitaUndomiel MCU Natasha doesn't even know who her real family is nor does she know what her birth name is so how could her birth name be Romanova?

@AelitaUndomiel

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragonweyr44 Well, Yelena never got to see her birth papers and there you see her: Yelena Belova, either someone told her or they made it up in the Red Room (or she did it herself). Anyways, maybe Nat’s name was Natalia and they changed it into Natasha while they were in Ohio or perhaps not. Tho I remember Nat “magically finding out” her biological parents’ names before dying in Vormir in Endgame…

@dragonweyr44

2 жыл бұрын

@@AelitaUndomiel This is just a guess but since everyone in the Red Room program is either an orphan, stolen from or sold by the parents of the girls in the program, their names are all made up, like the Russian equivalent of John Smite and Jim Carter would be Yelena's birth Certificate is probably fake as hell and Dreykov's daughter Antonia aka Taskmaster, is probably not his blood relation either

@dragonweyr44

2 жыл бұрын

@@AelitaUndomiel In Endgame, Red Skull called her "Daughter of Ivan" Hawkeye asks why they should believe him just because he knew her father's name Natasha said something to the effect of "Because I never knew it" I don't think anyone, or rather very few people in the Red Room Program know who they really are, who their parents were or their birth names are

and every one just forgot about how natasha gave her life to get the soulstone

Nat beating up happy in Iron Man two was the best scene ever

I want a movie where we see the red room academy in full. The selection process as well as the training etc I think it would be an intense movie especially if they have the right actors, directors etc

Dreycovs daughter, could actually be a dig at the fact that at that point she thought she had actually killed his daughter not actually calling natasha his daughter

Just that from real life medicine perspective removing the Ovaries is a really, really stupid idea as it immediately puts a women into menopause including a kilometer long list of illnesses she is now far more suspectible to, including easier breakable bones among others.

@markcowan3366

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe just tied tubes and told them they removed ovaries. Without some high level medical she may never know she wasn't completely sterilized.

@wiseguy01

2 жыл бұрын

in the comics, Natasha was also given a variation of the Super Soldier Serum and I guess that could counter many of the defects, as Super Soldiers have a mid level superhuman healing factor. Being incapable of getting drunk and are able to heal broken bones and gun shots within a day.

@sewingbea9356

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe she had all her eggs removed?

@annaw1298

2 жыл бұрын

In the Black Widow Movie, Yelena says they removed the uterus and ovaries. In the Comics, they damage her uterus and give her a serum that will cause miscarriage if she ever does get pregnant

@blackraven5389

2 жыл бұрын

I notice that. I have family members with hysterectomy. And if there are no ovaries you have to supplement estrogen. It's not like taking conraceptive pill. It has serious effect on health like natural menopause.

I don't think Natasha truly got the justice she deserved for what happened to her.

@patriciaalvareztostado8170

Жыл бұрын

Me nither, Neither do I, if you see that Dreykol and the red room stole Natsha, and Yelena, their childhood, and that of many girls,

@Chancey388

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully they do it justice by introducing more black widows and making Yelena an avenger

What would have happened if S.H.I.E.L.D took down the Red Room with the help of Natasha Romanoff Black Widow after she joined them?

I personally think Yelena will go by White widow

@Luminar3

2 жыл бұрын

High likely

@emmalily8939

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought until I remembered that a black widow is a spider. But who knows, it would be cool for that to be her name

Actually we know that Natasha did learn ballet because point shoes are seen in infinity war in a chair next to Natasha. Also I appreciate them saying that ballet is hard because it is

Black Swan + Atomic Blonde = Red Sparrow

@user-ex2cv5dg9w

2 жыл бұрын

Got?

they should make a spin-off series about the red rooms

a fact that blew my mind is that in the show agent carter they have a character Dottie Underwood who is trained in the red room. We get to see clips of her training there 2

The superhero pose tho 🤣🤣😍

@bonkers5529

2 жыл бұрын

"poser"

@Milk-Weed

2 жыл бұрын

WHEN SHE DID IT AND SAID GROSS THO

@Jamie_Winsh

2 жыл бұрын

Such a poser

@khushgill9324

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jamie_Winsh total poser

Just a sidenote...The guns she carried in the Avengers, Endgame and other appearances when she had the twin thigh holsters were not USP Compacts (USP Compacts aren'tthat small). Those are Glock 26s in 9mm. As far as the Red Room scenes, she was shooting the Soviet Makarov. There may have been a Walther (looked like they may have had her practicing with various pistols). The Makarov was the standard issue handgun for the Soviets since at least the 50s.

What would have happened if the Red Guardian and the rest of the Winter Guard attacked the Red Room and free all the ladies who were being turned into soldiers against their will?

@kiarawong2336

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the winter guard will hate the red guardian for helping destroy the red room especially the red widow but idk since she was apart of it also

At least SOMEONE recognizes the horror I went through.

I don't believe Loki called Nat "Dreykovs daughter," pretty sure he was referencing the incident involving Dreykovs daughter knowing it was a trigger for her

Hey I have a question/concept. So in endgame they used the time machine and turned Lang younger older etc. couldn’t they use that too turn captain America young again? Probably won’t happen but I was just watching tomorrow war and it crossed my mind. Thought it was intriguing.

@sofiam6841

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that Steve Rogers want to be young again after all that he's been through (good and bad) as a soldier, hero, and having a life with Peggy. That's a cool concept tho.

@elizak2486

2 жыл бұрын

they probably could but Chris Evans has been doing mcu movies for 10 years now and this was a good way to ‘get rid’ of him. probably best for him to go anyway as he’s had his time being captain America. good idea tho.

see natasha I think she played just as big a role in endgame as tony stark did

@patriciaalvareztostado8170

Жыл бұрын

Yes both were, without her they would not have had the opportunity to make them return the "Snap" people, they would not have had the opportunity to face Thanos

Despite all my rage I’m still a widow trapped in a cage.

@user-ex2cv5dg9w

2 жыл бұрын

Huh

Who here wishes taskmaster had more screen time?

@e.m.rivera8948

2 жыл бұрын

im hoping taskmaster comes out more during the Multiverse

When loki was trying to trick her he didn’t call her drekov daughter he was mentioning that she killed the daughter in the sao paulo hospital fire

Ik this is fictional, but it's still absolutely heartbreaking, horrifying and makes me so angry tbh. 😭💔

13:16 every single man felt that

They needed to show a true montage of her training in the Red Room throughout her childhood and teenage years instead of that mess we got in the opening credits. It gave us some view for her training but it just wasn’t enough

@patriciaalvareztostado8170

Жыл бұрын

I like what they did at the beginning, but they should have shows more, maybe put two more scene explain how they were train instead of some action scenes, the motorcycle and car chase scene could have been shorter, like I said I like the movie, but I want to saw at least on scene of her fight like she did in Iron Man or Civil War

15:04 it's ironic because you reference Black Swan and two actors from the mcu play in the movie. (Natalie Portman and Sebastian Stan)

I want a TV-MA show focused on the Red Room going in detail about a new teen actor having to go through everything. I want like 2/3 seasons of that shit.

@soggyeggos5093

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Really need to just call it like it actually was, it wasn't her character having to die to get her own film, it was getting Ike Perlmutter out the door. He is pretty much the singular reason it took this long.

Loki isn't calling Natasha Dreykov's daughter. He was talking about her having killed Dreykov's daughter (Black Widow movie spoilers not taken into account)

Love the vid

Superhero landing SUPERHERO LANDING!!!!!!

What do you think the Red Room would be like if it did the opposite of everything they have done?

@Luminar3

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn’t exist, cause the red room is existing right now but if it did the opposite of existing it wouldn’t exist

@Alexis-gs6mc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Luminar3 they mean what they did to the kids

"getting choked on a daily basis"...i-😂😂😂

12:32 I see what you did there 😂

Which fighting training in the Red Room program for all the Black Widow do you think is the best and the most brutal?

My fave. Fascinated with Natasha and now her sister, Yelena.

Any chance, while in the soul realm, Natasha "black widow", becomes madam web?

Loki wasn't calling Nat Dreycov's daughter, he was reminding her of how she killed Dreycov's daughter, thinking it would weaken her (This is not meant to be rude, just wanted to say! 😁)

Did anyone notice in endgame when Natasha is having the peanut butter sandwich and talking to steve, when we see behind the desk, on the seat next to her you can see pointe shoes.

nat died and every one was sad and then they sprung tonys death aswell on us in the same movie and had about everyone crying but nat was left in theshadow after tonys death thenthey sprung caps death on us at the end of the movie

@patriciaalvareztostado8170

Жыл бұрын

I didnt like this either, they should have a ceremony to both, both give their lifes, Nat recibe a Hulk, Hulk throwing a bench and a small line between Clint and Wanda, she deserve more, She was very close to Clint, Steve, Bruce and knew Tony for a long time. Se deserve more..

I really enjoyed this movie

I loved the movie

@Unknown67789

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah same here just watched it today🔥🔥🔥

@abdellahmaarouf2149

2 жыл бұрын

@@Unknown67789 it's sad because that's the last time we going to see black widow 😔

@Unknown67789

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdellahmaarouf2149 yeah facts it's sucks😔 but I'm glad we saw her one more time and did you see the ending credits tho? shits about to get real🔥🔥🤯

@abdellahmaarouf2149

2 жыл бұрын

@@Unknown67789 i feel bad for ma boy Hawkeye he just wants a peaceful life with his family😔

@Unknown67789

2 жыл бұрын

@@abdellahmaarouf2149 yeah facts bro

I've always wondered how the red room really was and after reading the comics I was like "gah dayum"

I’m the same person who was talking to you on TikTok

Such dark steps just to become a Black Widow

I always thought it would be cool to be able to be a widow now I don’t think so.

✨Danke für maskieren wir probieren✨

if you think about it natasha got the soul stone so that tony could beat thanos

@patriciaalvareztostado8170

Жыл бұрын

Without her all the people Snap would have stay that way, they couldn't have won without them, and it gave Tony the chance to win at the end

What if the trainees had to kill their friends who didn't make it through some of the tests? It looks like they might have based on that quick bit in Agent Carter.

I don't know exactly what did Loki mean by "Dreykov's Daughter". Bcuz some people say he was referring to Natasha. But some other people say that he was referring to Antonya, Dreykov's Daughter, who almost was killed by Natasha.

I'm so glad black widow finally got a solo film. It's horrible and tragic that all have to go through that though, so many victims to it... The whole concept is also very much typical american propaganda though, painting america as the heroes and russia as evil.

I wanted to cry when the subject of the red room came up. Poor Nat, Im glad she fucked that dude up at the end.

6:31 we could actually see that in the new Hawkeye series

I just came back from this movie

loki didn’t refer to natasha as dreykov’s daughter, he was talking about that time natasha killed his daughter

Lol that she said hey fellows :/

Love

I think there should be a movie about the red room a more explained more specific

Her name is actually Natalia Romanova

i just watched it

@Alyssaplaysstuff

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, watched it last night.

R.I.P black widow

Have y’all ever noticed the women in any action movie ALWAYS use there legs to fight?

Loki was not calling her Drakofs daughter he was referring to when natasa killed drakofs daughter

From where are these scenes? 3:05

@marvelwidow8277

2 жыл бұрын

Agent Carter

They need to show red room completely we need childhood about everything

Flash is a goat

I bet that the use of subduction as manipulation was taught as a part of the red room. Perhaps it’s tied to the reason why they castrate them. 💔 it’s even more disturbing when you realize how young the girls are when the process starts.

The pockets have sus things in them

They weren't born in literal cages just to be clear although a lot of them were indeed victims of human trafficking

Natasha's mentor was also Stark's mom????...lol!

All of this mental and physical torture…and Melina ( Natasha’s fake adopted mother) went through it 4 times….

They said it was a pheromone

Hi

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Correction black, is a title for the widows so Natasha is the only black widow the rest are just widows

I would volunteer to join the red room

I think anyways

why were people also dancing ballet in the red room?

@patriciaalvareztostado8170

Жыл бұрын

Help them fight, helo them control their body, think the way Nat right she used her body to to beat men stronger and bigger than her

am i the only one that noticed belaroose is the word that tony stark used to bring spidey into the mcu when he stole caps shield in civil war

@lordhelmet9709

2 жыл бұрын

that’s underoos

And some of them have minor superpowers. Natasha has limited probability manipulation.

What if black widow bite Peter Parker to make him Spiderman

What was the point of giving them false memories? I don’t get it. I mean, they’re already brainwashed… so why?

The Black Widow movie definitely wasn't great but it was good it's not the best

Most violent and mysterious guys ever?

What hap what hap

Is it really rough to grow up in a country like Russia where the Red Room is?

@zemoth1tm553

2 жыл бұрын

Chill out mate

@josephine.france5

2 жыл бұрын

The red room is fictional.

@zemoth1tm553

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephine.france5 really