1970s Batman was Influenced by James Bond (He also Killed a Bear) - Comic Tropes (Episode 53)
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The Batman from the 60s is radically different from the one from the 90s. The Batman of today is drastically different from the one in 50s comics. I believe each decade or so Batman is reinvented by his creators and influenced by the culture of their era. I argue in this video that the 70s Batman was influenced by the James Bond movies.
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That was around the time Ra's Al Ghul turned up, and he was basically a Bond villain.
@waterking74
3 жыл бұрын
Makes too much sense
The bronze age Batman is my favorite comic book interpretation of the character, and I'm looking forward to reading this version the best I can. He returned to being the dark knight detective without being edgy. A lot of people think Frank Miller saved Batman, but it's not wholly true. Thank you, Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams, for making Batman who he is today.
@ryanw4039
3 жыл бұрын
Me to 1970s 1980s 1990s batman bronze age
@gnarrcan108
3 жыл бұрын
Denny and Neal Adams did more for the mythos and world than anyone. I’ve always thought DKR was kind of overrated even though it’s really good I like year one better. But Frank Miller didn’t define Batman he said his Batman was just 70s Batman as an old man. The character that defines Frank Miller the most is probably daredevil literally everything about DDs world is from miller’s run.
@waterking74
3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanw4039 the 90s was an amazing to be a Batman fan both comics and tv ... too bad this was the time of the comics bubble crash
That bear was my friend. yeah, he had a lot of personal demons. After his wife left him, he started hitting the sheriffs ‘shine a little too often, getting careless, one night burning himself severely. But no one deserves that kind of departure.
@BobGeis
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for your loss.
@naysmith5272
2 жыл бұрын
@@BobGeis lol
My god... the Silver and Bronze age imagery of DC comics gives me the warm fuzzies!
@RobotsPajamas
7 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@themoofs6925
4 жыл бұрын
All those old comics give me that feeling. Reading marvel silver age comics makes me feel like I’m transported back to that New York City. I really felt like I was diving back into that world with comics of that era.
IN MEMORIAM BEAR. R.I.P.
@VuotoPneumaNN
4 жыл бұрын
This is not over! Bears!
Two years later and this video is still a classic. I love this show.
I haven't read enough 70s Batman, but that's about my favorite era for Batman's style.
@ComicTropes
7 жыл бұрын
It's pretty fantastic. Neal Adams was at his height, in my opinion. Loved the stuff he and Denny O'Neill did with R'as al Ghul and Joker. Joker's Five Way Revenge is a perfect Joker story and reinvented him into the scary killer instead of a goofy jokester that he'd been for the last decade plus.
My favorite Batman has to be this one. He's not quite campy and he's not a quassy brooding emo. Most of the art from this era was some of the best as well. Awesome video! Also the way the comics portray folks/hillbillies from the Appalachians is quite offending. Most of us are refined cultured people and there maybe one or two sister lover, but that's beside the point.
I grew up with and loved the Batman of the 70s. It seemed like a good balance between the light-hearted Batman as Boy Scout and the dark, grim Batman of later years. I'm not so sure about his similarity to James Bond, but I can kind of see it. And yes, I liked it when he got out of Gotham. It seems to me that any good superhero should also be a good adventurer, encountering and dealing with unusual locations outside of their normal 'stomping grounds'.
Gotta admit, your way more daring on the physical stuff than I am. I grew up with Batman in the 70's and loved this analysis.
"Batman rode a bear off a cliff. And that bear was on fire too!" Gold.
Here's a trope: Killer hillbillies were everywhere during this time in comics.
As gritty as the Nolan Batman's are supposed to be I think they really nailed the James Bond feel. Would love to see Nolan do an actual James Bond movie.
This feels like it could be a Scooby-Doo mystery
I'm also a huge J.Aparo/N. Adams fan, grew up with Roger Moore as my James Bond, I never noticed the similarities until your astounding video. You are so right!
A Batman-James Bond crossover would be golden!
@DrewLSsix
5 жыл бұрын
HIMMBelljuvo Which Batman and which Bond? Connery and West? I vote for the book Bond (big ugly dumb brute that was hired because he’s willing to do dirty things). And the gun wielding OG Batman of the 30s.
@euansmith3699
4 жыл бұрын
"The name's Bond... James B..." "I'm... BATMAN!"
@bradenhogan2
4 жыл бұрын
JAK STUDIOS I was thinking... Golden EYE!
@josegregoriobencomogomez4958
3 жыл бұрын
@@DrewLSsix Well, West's Batman already crossed over with the Avengers Tv series and the Man from UNCLE.
the mud Issue, in one of Conan Doyle's stories Sherlock Holmes stories Holmes Identifes exactly where a man has been from the Mud on his boots the colour and consistency and grit content of the Mud Sherlock Holmes deduced that this person had been walking in a particular part of London. Batman and James Bond are both descendants of Holmes Literary speaking
@LordZero666
4 жыл бұрын
I was about to comment the same thing. You beat me for 10 months.
@tomsawyer2287
Жыл бұрын
Y más atrás del "super hombre" de nietchhhhhhhhhhhh
"He beat those guys off" LMAO
I’ll never understand how in one book Batman can go toe to toe with some impressive meta humans. Then, in this one for example. He gets jumped by 6 inbred woodchucks. Guess it’s all part of a strategy?
Bruce Wayne also had the svelt physique and hairy chest of a young Sean Connery too! lol
Batman *smells* something?? Maybe it's the burning flesh and hair from the bear carcass at the bottom of the cliff!
@ComicTropes
7 жыл бұрын
No no. It's definitely sourmash whiskey deep in a cave. Not the burning bear he just killed.
My first comic book was a Batman comic in the 70s, which I bought from a guilder (I’m Dutch) I had found in a warehouse. Loved comics ever since. I had never made the explicit connection between Batman and James Bond, but it makes a lot of sense. Great work, Chris!
Wow! Sal Amendola's artwork is well worth seeking out! Great stuff! 😍😃
It would have been nice if "kills a bear" would have become a common Batman trope.
How about some Brave and the Bold and Jim Aparo tropes? I absolutely loved that book.
@ComicTropes
6 жыл бұрын
John Goldie I’m a fan of Aparo so I will cover him at some point.
@macsnafu
6 жыл бұрын
I think you mean Bob Haney tropes. Haney came up with some of the most ridiculous situations in order to pair up Batman with other DC heroes. Fortunately, we had Aparo artwork to get us through the worst parts of the stories.
I love how you went the extra mile with riding the bull. Your videos are amazing!
I really liked the story telling visually and by text the explanation of not breaking a chain but breaking out of old wood...Nice detail and really nicely done in the art work.
Hey Chris I just came across your videos here on You Tube!! And I'm really enjoying your videos about our favorite crime fighter "The Batman" and James Bond another one of my favorite hero's "James Bond" and I agree with you regarding the comparisons between Bond and Batman.
It's interesting how many comparisons between this and the original 30s Batman Detective Comics. This story reminds me of Detective Comics #31
Great Stuff as usual - i'm so surprised you don't have more subs, i grew up reading 70's batman as well.some great covers shown. always well put together content.
@ComicTropes
7 жыл бұрын
I have so little free time that I have not been able to run any digital campaigns or organize a promotion with another channel. So all my views are organic based on how I title and tag the stuff. I'm grateful for the viewers I have. They all seem to sincerely appreciate comic books as a medium.
@RobotsPajamas
7 жыл бұрын
I'll get back onto pushing you onto everyone whether they like it or not.
Batman strangles a bear, sets it on fire, then rides the flaming bear off a cliff. That may be the coolest thing I’ve ever heard.
Loving the content, Chris! Your vids are my new go-to for quick break time get aways at work. I started collecting comics about the time you did, but I've been off and on about it over the years. Definitely still a fan though, and a new subscriber to your channel. Keep up the great work!
great review pal I love batman and you did a great job with this review
I admire this man's lack of shame. My condolences to the mechanical bull.
Batman stories in comics often were a sign of the times. One that comes to mind immediately is a 1970 issue that was inspired by The Beatles and the 'Paul is dead' rumors of that era.
Brilliant analysis! Agree! I think that the First series of early seventies Ra's Al Ghul stories by Denny O'Neal and Neal Adams are perfect examples of Batman as Bond! Global adventures in exotic locales! Ra's Al Ghul's daughter Talia is also an exotic beauty that Ian Flemming could have easily created as a Bond girl for his books!
Chris, Batman identified the mud on the Sheriff's boots and in the cave as the same unique mud, which because of the heat of the still would have stuck to the sheriff boots. If you look at the panels, the scene was pretty much only snow. And, I don't know where you live, but when I come in from outside where it's been very snowy, it doesn't magically turn into mud when it melts. Snow is snow but mud is mud. In the mud inside the cave should be generally different than it would be in an open area like around buildings in town. Nobody else had mud on their shoes aside from the Sheriff.
Love the memorial for the bear.
@davidpyott3710
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers
Jim Aparo's Batman in The Brave And The Bold was my staple as a youngster - classic!
Great episode, Chris. Lots of fun. Batman vs Bear is a ridiculous and amazing moment. Your theory seems legit to me; Batman and Bond also drive the coolest cars!
My favourite Era for Batman Neal Adams and Denny O Neil
Hey Chris, good video. I'm a big fan of 30s/40s, 70s, 80s and 90s Batman. Can you do a vid on Len Wein's Batman? I loved his stuff
great stuff man keep it up!
Interesting analysis, thank you. It makes perfect sense that he would be influenced by James Bond in that era. Actually, late '70s to '80s pre-Crisis Batman where there's a fair amount of continuity happening is my favorite era. There were certainly great stories before and after that, but I always had a little chuckle like it was a wink to the audience whenever commissioner Gordon or the narrator referred to Batman as the "world's greatest" (insert whatever here).
you can never use the term " Hill Billies" enough ...I chuckle every time I think it
5:30 uh, Chris maybe you didn't notice but Bruce Wayne wasn't really complaining to the manager, he was slipping away to become Batman. I think he was a lot subtler than we give credit. I mean he slipped by you Chris.
This is like a cool version of Jackanory when you go through a comic story with us.
Thanks dude, awesome episode
my name is man....... Bat -man
re watching the videos I cant really remember is awesome! i know ive seen it before because i already had a like on the video
The flaming bear moment was right out of a Chuck Norris joke.
Ra's and Talia al Ghul are very similar to Marc-Ange Draco and Teresa Draco di Vincenzo from On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Denny O'Neil said he didn't consciously intend this but admitted he may have done this subconsciously because he was a fan of the Bond movies and books. OHMSS was also the most recent Bond movie at the time of Batman #232, the 1st appearance of Ra's and 2nd appearance of Talia.
"He beat those guys off"gave me a good laugh&the bull ride was awesome 😂
Once he gets to the Appalachians it feels more like a Hellboy story than a Bond one
January 1970 - December 1986 Batman: The Bronze Age, Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis right before "Year 1".
"Amazing Grace" on the bagpipes made me laugh so hard
When I read G-Ghost mountain and the guy closes the door, I just imagined Scooby-Do.
I don't really remember where I saw it, but I remember seeing an interview with Dennis o'Neill where he does say that he took a large influence from the 007 movies of the era
It’s a sign of how great this era is that Ras Al Ghul was the villain in the Nolan movie...I love these so much
Batman riding a flaming bear could be a comic story of its own. no, it should be a story of its own. Instead of driving a Batmobile, he could strike fear to the criminal underworld by chasing them with a flaming bear.
Bond's (From Russia w/Love) gold coins were inside an exploding attache case - THAT was the gadget.
Batman rode a flaming bear off a cliff. That is the most metal thing I've ever heard of and I'm sad we'll probably never see that kind of nonsense in comics ever again.
That's not just mud... That's Chekhov's Mud.
I didn't know what a still was. I thought they were speaking about a picture when reading this... Now the story makes sense
Shotguns don't spread out more than about 4 degrees. The people behind him are lucky not to get hit and the people next to the shooter are lucky for not going deaf. Ever notice how it's not okay to stereotype anybody ... Unless it's an Appalachian or Southerner.
Speaking of Dennis O'Neil... how about a look at the 80's run of the Question by O'Neil and Denys Cowan? Great writing and art in an underrated series. I don't think there was a bad cover in the run.
@JW666
Жыл бұрын
The covers where awesome! It really had some dark moments too! It wasn't bad, but there where times you wished The Question himself would have been more like Rorschach than Daredevil (and yes I know there's an issue where he ironically tries to be like Rorschach, but it wasn't his thing, though to be honest he barely even tried!). He might as well would have become like Steve Ditko's other creation Mr. A, it's not like The Question was part of any version of The Justice League at the time (but technically he kinda is now today and the first time we ever saw The Question as a League member was in the Justice League Unlimited show).
Adams saved batman in 1970s but his green lantern green arrow was the best of that time period
I love Cabin in the Woods’ take on the creepy gas station attendant
I'm surprised Sal Amendola did not do more Batman work. He also did the famous Night of the Stalker story the issue before . . . .
OMG - That is brilliant!
I grew up with the Tarzan / Batman cartoon on Saturday mornings...
RIP Moonshine Bear
I think a monster that turns out to be a burned animal was the plot of a Cheyenne episode in the '50s. However short it was, I really like the Archie Goodwin-edited Detective Comics.
Hilarious! Batman riding a flaming bear!! 😆
Batman single handedly causes the comics code authority to be a thing when he killed that bear
Nice new set
@ComicTropes
7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It's modest but took a good amount of work. And at some point, I'll be able to show that there's a lot more to it.
@DRMADist
7 жыл бұрын
In the the video you just made where you showed you and your mate making the new set, it looked pretty interesting seeing how it's like a big moving comic book
I would've liked the video if you had explained a Jim Aparo Batman comic.
I bought that comic for Manhunter and never read the Batman story. It’s on my nightstand right now lol.
Do Walt Simonson’s Manhunter next, please.
that is actually a great story about the flaming bear.
I hate it when Batman turned into the "Dark Knight" in 86, Batman late silver age up to early 80s was sooooooo cool!
13:02 - my new screensaver
Mechanical bulls look like a lot of fun :)
2:27- 2:33 So, essencialty, a Gary Sue?
I wonder how long it takes him to change into his costume?
That poor bear.
Loved Aparo and Marshall Rodgers Batman
13:57 that money was counterfeit, thus the hiding of it in the briefcase
This has tropes of what we now call ‘folk horror’... Midsommar, Wicker Man, etc
Hey I havent seen all of these but you do Jeff Lemire yet. No swee tooth please, maybe some later work like Descender or Black Hammer something thats complete. I know Ascender continues Descender in a fantasy context but not the same thing. In other words Descender is complete. Sorry fo that I deal with mad contrarians, yo.
I think the artist was Dick Giordano, if he didn't draw it he definitely inked it.
Notice Bruce is hanging with a black haired woman he calls 'Kitten'. He may be having a hard time letting go of Selina, is what I'm saying.
Good Episode.
So fricking messed up that Batman killed that bear. Poor thing deserved better.
Where do you live that you can just find a mechanical bull? The place from that comic?
I never thought I would ever hear somebody say, "Batman rode a bear off of a cliff ... and that bear was on fire, too." 🤣
Ok so i dont know months specifically, but 74 was the year of Texas Chainsaw, and that was P R I M E backwoods hillbilly being creepy so that could have been a good inspiration as well
Batman comics were way too dark in the 1970s, i dont know they got published or much less got past the comics code back then. Aunt Harriet never hung out in the Batcave on the Batman tv series. In fact, the batman comics were so dark in whcih contaned violence and murder that my parents wouldnt let me read them even though they knew I love the batman tv series.
That poor, poor, poor bear.
Can't wait to be a colourist for comics