Make sure you follow both the “stock appearing drag racers” and “Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race” groups on Facebook. Without them, you wouldn’t get these videos!

I'm a GM guy for the most part, but that Fairlane makes me forget about brand loyalty. One of the best looking cars to ever come out of the sixties.

@anthonyhuntley4498

Жыл бұрын

I’m a ford guy, I appreciate your honesty. Me as a ford guy I have a love for the chevelle and the nova.

@jeffschwartz5199

10 ай бұрын

​@@anthonyhuntley4498 You guys are meant to be together ❤ . Lol 😆 🤣 😂 . Couldn't resist 🤣

@garybrinker4522

6 ай бұрын

I'm a Ford guy, but seem to buy alot of Chevy trucks..

That Ford Fairlane doesn't look like a grandma car to me at all. It's bad ass.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Grandma car 👵

@williamfawkes8379

2 жыл бұрын

Grandma has good taste in cars.

@charlieandhudsonspal1312

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he was off base with that description

@jameshitt8385

Жыл бұрын

A grandma car?, look at the Monte carlo....

@jeffschwartz5199

10 ай бұрын

​@@CarsAndZebrasJack Ass 😂

One of many things I like about these C&Z Pure Stock videos: The use of EDITING to remove 7 minutes of approach, burnouts, backing up, staging, etc, getting right to the green light. Plus, overlaying the elapsed time and trap speed results, which many drag race videos fail to provide. Great Job!

I've always been a Ford guy, & I had a '66 Fairlane w/390 4 speed. That car was quick!❤😎👍

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

👍

Of course the 390 wasn’t bad, my uncle has a bunch of trophies from drag racing from his 390 Galaxie back in the 60s .

Being a Ford fan let's go FORD!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Good guess!

I've had two 1966 Mercury Cycloe GT's with 390 and 4-speeds.

That Fairlane is a handsome car.

More Fords Please ! I Love watching Fords beat up Big Block Mopars that are Lighter and have Bigger Engines.

@jayschmahl9206

2 жыл бұрын

Oh dry up already Flowerstroke fan.😋

@badass6.0powerstroke10

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayschmahl9206 Shut up.

@jayschmahl9206

2 жыл бұрын

@@badass6.0powerstroke10 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@garybrinker4522

6 ай бұрын

Me too !

@MoParRus340

6 ай бұрын

Enjoy it while you can because that doesn’t happen. My 340 68 GTS used to blow the doors off 390’s.

Having owned a 66 Fairlane GT 390 back during the muscle car era, that one was exceptionally fast.

That Ford is tuned to perfection, I would have put my bets on the Mopar all day, very impressive.

@danmyers9372

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto that. Ford FE 390’s in stock form were torquey truck motors. They had nothing after about 4000 rpm. Amazing what a few ‘legal’ mods can do.

@ONTHEEDGEFRED

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a Ford guy I'm still sitting here wondering what's been done to that 390 to make it out run that 440

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

@@ONTHEEDGEFRED The 66 could run the C6AER heads just like CJs with 2.04:1.56 valves and had the CJ cam. The 66 would pull to 6000 stock. The smog heads killed them. That’s the difference. A 67 would have been laughed off the track. The 66 was a good setup with gears to let it rev. They can pull to 5800/6000 stock. The 67s are like truck engines that top out at 4500.

Add a 427 to that Fairlane and you’d have a real beast

@Loulovesspeed

2 жыл бұрын

@jay lamb - Many a Chrysler Hemi fell prey to those 427 Thunderbolts!

Finely tuned is right. That was some fine racing by both involved

I really dig the top-end cam, the cars ALL sound GREAT going through the traps WOT, wound-up and topped-out!! Just love the sound of these cars doing what they were meant to do.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

definitely cool!

I really like the camera shot about 3/4 of the way down the track, hearing the cars roar by and how close they are.👍👍💪

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Always loved the 390 engine. Bad ass Ford

Once that big 390 starts breathing towards the end of the track it 🚶‍♂️ walks the 440!

My Dad had red 64 Galaxie 500 390 4 speed that car was awesome he loved it and so did I but now I’m a bow tie guy, thanks to the owners for paying those cars the justice they deserve.

@sharonw2475

2 жыл бұрын

That 390 had 300 horsepower, wasn't much get up and go with a big Galaxie to lug around, a Chevy 327/300 hp would eat that 390 for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I had a 1963 Ford Galaxie 500, 390, 300hp, 4 speed that I wish I still had, but it didn't win too many street drags. My favorite cars I've owned over the years were a '63 Galaxie 500, 390/300 hp, 4 spd--------a '69 SS396 Chevelle L78 TH400 transmission--------- and a 1999 C5 Corvette.

Those guys were incredibly consistent. That's pretty impressive.

Great racing - and thank you! Another win for the ol’ 390. To me, and underrated engine. 🌮 🌮

@dailydose8035

2 жыл бұрын

390 was tuned & 440 wasn’t. Factory - factory. Tuned - tuned. It’s the 440. You’d have to give the smaller engine some unnatural advantage to win😉

@maxtheroofer8004

2 жыл бұрын

“Tuned” doesnt mean anything without details, a carb swap and timing adjustment doesnt count for anything. With the 440s torque, hp, and weight advantage, it should have won

@Cobra428SCJ

4 ай бұрын

Blueprinting, port matching, gears and traction bars! Hot Rod 1966 - They did a article on a C/Stock 390 Comet that ran a 12.97 @ 108mph with nothing but a blueprinted engine, headers, gears, shifter, traction bars and tires

I'm torn on this one my high school hot rod was a 67 Fairlane GT 390 but these days I'm more of a Mopar guy. Both cool beautiful cars!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Can’t go wrong with either!

@HiroNguy

Жыл бұрын

It's all good. My current rides are a Ford Panther and a Chrysler Jeep WJ.

I'm a Ford man but can't believe the Fairlane won especially after seeing the specification comparison. Shouldn't have been in the same class.

@agentorange2554

2 жыл бұрын

Giving up 50 cubic inches made me think it didn't have a chance.

@diegosilang4823

2 жыл бұрын

Must be the Fairlane's better gear ratios and maybe the Barracuda's two non functioning hood scoop added some extra drag 😁

@burtvincent1278

2 жыл бұрын

@@diegosilang4823 😄

Those 4.11 gears of the Ford won that race.

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know that Cuda was the same weight or less and had 50 cubes on it. The 390 with the 66 heads are way underrated, they had same cam as a 428CJ just 2.04/1.56 valves. The manifolds suck but the Cuda just got beat with the crummy manifolds they can do 385-390 hp with the stock cam and good springs and Fords good lifters to allow 5800- 6000 without pumping up. and 450 ft lbs. the 390 with a good tune will surprise you until .the smog police came down. 66 was the last year of the good heads on the 390. A 67 might not have done as well. It was a fair race there were quite a few good 390s and just headers and a recurve with the good tall port early style C6AER heads could pull down 410 hp with nothin but richer jets. They love to rev, I have a .020 over 390 small single pattern solid with C4 heads and headers and a Holley SD single plane and it made 463 hp at 6400, 488 ft lbs at 10.3:1. The bottom end is brutally tough! I d like to put a turbo on mine with 12 pounds of boost. 825 hp maybe. The pistons are forged and the stock rods are Forged with the same part number as a CJ 428 only with 3/8 ARP bolts. Good balance job. I have revved it out the back door at 7300 with no sweat or any apparent drop of power. I hope the Aftermarket heads for Ford and Mopar survive this “parts shortage “ I love seeing both still hammering it out in the 1320!

@BaronVonSketchy

10 ай бұрын

Looks like the Ford had Holly carb which flows more fuel and better then the Edelbrock carb on the Cuda

@garybrinker4522

6 ай бұрын

@@notme810 I've heard 66 was a good year for the 289..True or not ? I have one in my 62 Fairlane 😎

@jayr8843

2 ай бұрын

You are 100% correct. I bought a brand new 66 GTA off the showroom floor. Biggest race was a 67 GTX 440 magnum and lost by 1 1/2 car length. I had a open 350 rear end and I think would have been a tie with a locking 411. Could rev that car to 6000 rpm.

great video! Guy has the Ford dialed in! Happy Hallow's Eve-C&Z!!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

thanks!

The Ford GTA is a monster car my uncle had one

I've always liked 66-67 Fairlane. This is my favorite video of yours. You definitely cracked me up. Good one

Watching both these cars is sweet. They were #1 and #2 on my lust list as a teen! Great to see them not only well preserved, not only well-tuned, but in the hands of owners not afraid to show them off!

Another awesome video with good old-fashioned muscle cars love it.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 👍

You can thank Grand Spaulding Dodge for the big inch Chrysler mills in an A body. Just stupid quick cars in a straight line, provided u could get um to hook up. But that Ford 390 could really be built to run also, and this GTA is really a great example! Love the color as well!

@jayr8843

2 ай бұрын

They handled very well also. Beat a 65 hypo 289 square back mustang 4 speed in a 5 mile curvy road race. Locked in 2nd gear most of the time. C6 GTA. First great ford Automatic.

Just when you thought Cars and Zebras published the best race ever he hits you with an even better one... Way to go!!!

Don't mess with a Fairlane FE

I miss my 67 Fairlane GT. That was a thing of beauty

I would like 30 minutes to tune on the Mopar but coming from a Ford family was not surprised Fairlane was running that strong

That 390GT is really tuned good. I'm glad to see it get the W over the 440, which was a rare occasion when these cars were new. That 390GT is quicker than most 428CJ cars were in 69!!

@jeremyg7975

2 жыл бұрын

It's the same block isn't it?

@jeremyg7975

2 жыл бұрын

Brandon humphries

@brandonhumphries3377

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyg7975 they're both FE blocks. Same architecture but the 390 is a 4.05 bore and the 428 is a 4.13 bore. 390 has a 3.78" stroke and 428 has a 3.98" stroke

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonhumphries3377 Same cam and very similar heads, just smaller valves but FE heads flow surprisingly well, the power is in the intake manifold and 66 they came loaded for bear.

Thanks, bout time seeing some Ford Power on here. Chalk up Another Loss for the Mopar Camp.

Both cars are sweet. I love these old school pure stock drags.

Later the Fairlane driver admitted he forgot to take the parking brake off.

Man, it soooo good to have your commentary back. 👋

LOVE 390 FAIRLANES

Cuda was lighter and had more hp but got spanked by the Fairlane anyway. No surprise !

Engine balanced and blueprinted

Very close times. The '69 'Cuda 440 is just a king of A-body for me!

@kuiper6926

2 жыл бұрын

I'm more of a 69 Dart GTS guy, love both tho!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Both very cool!

@michaeladamo1188

2 жыл бұрын

I would love either one of them! Wish the Plymouth had 410s also

I can understand being loyal to a brand. But in the 60’s-70’s every one had beautiful car’s wished i grew up in the 60’s. Instead of the 70’s

Would never have guessed that out come. You got me !

Wow, two car's I really love. The Barracuda is my favorite car of all time and the GT/GTA Fairlane is my favorite Ford. If I could take one home with me, it would likely be the 'Cuda, wait, I want them both. I can alway's dream.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll dream too 👍

@independent2368

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree, the 70/71 cudas are tops for me and love the AAR

Both ran great! Thumb up.

I like those finish line replays!

YAY FINALLY A FORD !!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

not many in pure stock, unfortunately

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras I know, In 66 the Fairlane GTA did well in D/SA and in D/S. InC/S some made weight and in both classes the Ford FE 390 and the Olds 442 with a 400 did really well in 66 and 67, then they messed the Olds up too with a 3.875 bore and 4.25 stroke. The previous 442 400 was a 4 inch bore and 3.975 stroke with a cam similar to the GTs in 66. Those two were a pair in C and D. The 442 did well in 67, but fell off the map like the 390s did. A 67 Fairlane needed the 428 CJ. The 428CJ is still competitive in C in the Mustang. The M&M Racing car with the late Alex Dynsenkyo driving really did well. I miss the 69 Mustang fastback in C/SA, Alex would hang the front hoops on every run. The good old days. And 428CJs. Man!

Goodday C & Z, What a great race, expecting more out of the Cuda. M Code does it get better thsn that, those Ford Hardtop Bodies are gorgeous. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

I know that the Cuda really struggled with traction

Awesome , Thanks C&Z

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

thanks again for watching!

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. I really enjoy the videos the commentary and the quality of the comments back and forth. No fanboy trolling. Good solid action and discussion, good and polite with good details!

I would happily own either one of these car's.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

definitely 👍

@jumpinjojo

2 жыл бұрын

Car's what?

@randallgreen6746

2 жыл бұрын

@@jumpinjojo yeah..that means More than one. I know it's probably Hurts but think about it. 😂

@jumpinjojo

2 жыл бұрын

@@randallgreen6746 You don’t use an apostrophe to pluralize a word. “Cars” is how it should be written.

@danmyers9372

2 жыл бұрын

@@jumpinjojo -Give it a rest professor.

Love both cars! But that 440 has stolen my heart. C&Z you kill me every video.

My childhood friends father had a 69 Mercury Grand Marquis. 428/429. Cant remember which. 4 door plain Jane land yacht. Bye George that giant shoe box would scoot.

That's some good racing.👍

Always been a plymouth/dodge/chrysler kind of guy. Nice old cars very close drags. I'd love to have either one of them.

I had a 66 GTA the same color as this one during my senior year in high school. It definitely kicked ASS

These two cars have met their match. Love American muscle cars.❤❤

Very closely matched. I would have thought the Barracuda would have won. The Ford Fairlane with that 390 was certainly underrated in the horsepower department.

Good race! Based on the specs, we favored the 'Cuda to take it. The Fairlane driver did excellent launches and hole shots, and didn't give anything away at the top end.

Two excellent cars and drivers. Very closely matched. I'm a MOPAR guy, mostly. Love the GTA also, the 1967 Mercury Comet Cyclone GT. I had a model of that one and knew a neighbor who had 2 of them in his driveway. In high school, a friend had a 1966 Barracuda 273ci/235hp. Hot little car. I do prefer the 1970 "CUDA" body style. I've owned three 440s and one 340. Thanks.

Thanks. I live for these battles! Had to be the 4.11 gears? That Ford was really quick off the line.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely helped having the 4.11 gears!

@timmebruer5205

2 жыл бұрын

The cuda had 50 cubic inch on him and was running 3:91s. The ford just out performed him

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

The 66 GTA is a different animal than the 67 and up 390s unless you put 66 heads on it.

@BaronVonSketchy

10 ай бұрын

Looks like the Ford had Holly carb which flows more fuel and better then the Edelbrock carb on the Cuda

good race!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

definitely 👍

Another great drag video, thanks much!!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Have to say I am really surprised by this result. The FE 390 was a truck motor snd was never known as a real performance engine. They had decent torque but didn’t have much left after about 4000 rpm. Amazing what a few legal mods can do to wake up some engines.

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

No I have to disagree. The FE is a strong and able engine capable of 400+hp with factory parts. A 428CJ is a stroker 390 with 4.13 bores and bigger valves in the LR 427 heads that are a lot like 390 heads from mom and pop cars. They were definitely not just truck engines, you could get catalog Ford parts to get 450 hp from the 390.. Mine does 6500-6800 with factory rods ARP bolts with 64 Galaxie heads.

@dondavidson3440

11 ай бұрын

390 FE is a car engine. They did put de-tuned versions in pickups. 390 FT is the actual truck engine, made for meduim duty trucks.They are a different engine.

love the GTA = all day long !

very well prepped Fairlane here. Showroom GTA’s would run 2 seconds slower!

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

4.11s, tuning for high octane gas, and high-load valve springs make a huge difference in a Ford FE

@kimmorrison9169

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras and a “pure stock” blueprint cam I’d bet.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

according to the owner there hasn’t been a cam swap

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras The 66 heads are way better than 67 up unless you sneak a set on a 67 up. They breathe to 6000 with the same cam as the 428 CJ, check out the specs. The 66390 was a chili pepper with the NHRA stock legal heads that was essentially a D/SA possibly even a C/SA, what was the index in 66?

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

@@CarsAndZebras It didn’t need one it had the 428CJ cam stock on the showroom floor. Headers are the only mod they neeeded in 66 . 67 required the 66 heads and weight factor for D/SA

Nice match up. I'm 65 and these cars would have seen around my area of Columbus,Ohio. Except I don't recall seeing an M-code Cuda, but an older guy would sometimes bring out his Dart GTS with 440

Reaction time is the great equalizer in Drag Racing

I feel another hard one coming on. Should be a good one.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

👍

@jumpinjojo

2 жыл бұрын

That's what she said.

I'd love to know what all he has done to get that much power out of that 390. It has to be a lot. Might need to put that car on the dyno.

@VegasRT500

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was definitely not stock.

@kramnull8962

2 жыл бұрын

If you remember they had 375hp heads for 390's back then. They were good flowing and used to be quite a few of them around....The 401hp were a lot harder to come by. But right there is a 55-65 hp gain off the bat...

@howardbedford6075

2 жыл бұрын

The 390 in 66 was underrated at 335 horsepower. I believe in 61 the 390 could be optioned at 375 and 401 horsepower. Like the 71 boss 351 rated 330 horsepower was actually about 380. Ford was known for sandbagging their power ratings.

@geraldlafleur7776

2 жыл бұрын

The only dyno pulls that I could find that put out hp in the 390 range had hotter cam,intake carb headers and better heads. Allt he others that were near stock, except headers ,were 315-330 hp. Pure stock doesn't allow all that. The 1966 390 fe didnt have the high compression heads, high rise intake (Or the 3×2 bl setup ford put in the trunk to get 400 hp in 61-63 ) that's why I think he was fudging a bit.

@geraldlafleur7776

2 жыл бұрын

@@howardbedford6075 yes for the 1971 boss 351 according to Richard Holdener

Fear the FE...

Back in the day street racers knew that 440's were nothing to be feared.

those 4.11 gears make the difference

My first car was a 67 GTA. It was pretty quick for how beat it was.

Love the Fairlane my first car was 66' Fairlane 289 c4 automatic

Great video C & Z I really like the racing of these beautiful muscle cars but I really enjoy the commentary.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! definitely more to come!

I’m a Mopar guy but I love the Fairlane and Torino cars.

390 Fairlanes are stronger than they get credit for

I did not think the GTA was gonna take that 440.

WITHOUT THE COMMENTARY THESE VIDEOS ARE EMPTY AND BLAND .... THE CONTENT AND FORMAT OF ZEBRAS IS RIGHT ON THE MARK

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

What motors are in the cars?

I would like to know if that Ford had any port and polishing done on those heads? Great video and some great racing!

In order to fit the 440 in the dart body, the exhaust manifolds they had to use really restricted exhaust flow. So much so that a 340 Dart GT with a decent driver was often times faster than the 440 car.

@BaronVonSketchy

10 ай бұрын

Looks like the Ford had Holly carb which flows more fuel and better then the Edelbrock carb on the Cuda

I've noticed that the left lane on this track is generally the better lane for times. JMO.

I owned a 66 GTA green and black an absolutely beautiful car

Both good cars

Good Video I believe that 1969 was the last year for the Barracuda name, after that they were called Cuda.

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

Barracuda still existed after that but was the low trim levels (6 cylinder, etc). thanks for watching 👍

The 390 wasn't a real big performer from the factory but being a FE it had a plethora of power options from the 428 and 427 engines .you could put together a 390 with off the shelf Ford parts that could rape just about anything it pulled up next to !!

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

Truth 👍

FE is eating lunch!

4:11 gears won the race

@CarsAndZebras

2 жыл бұрын

probably helped!

The rules allow up to a 0.070 overbore, which for the 390 would give it a 4.12 bore. The rules also allow non-numbers matching blocks, so in this case a 105 truck 390 block could be used, which can be bored up to .080 over. Not sure what the engine size would be, but this would make room for bigger valves if the rules allow it. Just for reference: my 428 was bored 0.060 over to 439ci

The Ford is two full seconds quicker than contemporary times. That’s some fine tuning, or something is amiss here. The Mopar is half a second quicker than contemporary times; easily achieved with fine tuning.

I like the 64 Fairlane

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, have you seen Ray Paquets 64 T-Bolt HighRiser that’s pulling almost 1000 hp from a 427 ci FE? SS/A. They finally made the Hemis run in their own class. There were some Ford guys trying to get the 427 SOHC in the same class, but NoHotRodsAlkowed said Hell NO! Lol

Shocker,

The Fairlane running 15.2 in original tests and 13.1 here - No way is it pure stock.

@BaronVonSketchy

10 ай бұрын

Looks like the Ford had Holly carb which flows more fuel and better then the Edelbrock carb on the Cuda

@Cobra428SCJ

4 ай бұрын

It's possible that Ford mass produced these and didn't check quality when it came to blueprinting tolerances? Maybe the cam was 4° advanced from the factory, limiting its rpm potential to under 5,000rpm and effecting its horsepower. Or was the distributor weights never set correctly? The 390 was done at 4600rpm yet the Cobra Jet used the exact same cam and made power up to 5800rpm I'm thinking that a 390 GT engine needs its cam retarded to wake it up.

If I had the choice I’d take the CUDA’ all day!

I’ve watched a few videos here and never subbed, not intentionally. But man, all the farts in this triggered me to get it done!

How?

With more farts and Booboorella, nice!

@notme810

2 жыл бұрын

“Grab some tools and start banging”