1948 - Israel and Palestine - Benny Morris
1948 - Israel and Palestine - Benny Morris
In this thought-provoking episode of Mid Atlantic, we dive deep into the historical roots and contemporary implications of the Israel and Palestine conflict, with a special focus on the events of 1948. Renowned Israeli historian Professor Benny Morris provides a critical examination of the conflict’s history, the Palestinian refugee problem, and the recent shocking events of October 7th. As tensions escalate in the Middle East, Morris’s insights offer a poignant reflection on the past’s impact on the present.
The episode opens with a deviation from the usual format, setting the stage for an in-depth exploration of the Israel and Palestine conflict, particularly in light of the recent conflict between Israel and Hamas. Professor Benny Morris, a critical voice in Israeli historiography, joins the conversation to shed light on the pivotal year of 1948, which he argues is essential for understanding the current situation.
Morris recounts the harrowing events of October 7th, expressing personal shock but no direct involvement. He predicts significant repercussions for Israel’s security apparatus and political landscape, including the potential downfall of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government.
The discussion then pivots to 1948, a year marked by the creation of the State of Israel and the onset of the Palestinian refugee crisis. Morris challenges traditional narratives, presenting a nuanced view based on his extensive research. He describes the mixed causes of Palestinian displacement, including fear, Israeli military actions, and a lack of systematic expulsion.
Morris also touches on the broader Arab-Israeli conflict, the UN’s partition plan, and the subsequent Arab rejection and war. He provides specific examples of flight and expulsion from Arab towns, offering a complex picture of the events that shaped the region.
Professor Morris reflects on his personal journey as a historian and a Zionist, discussing how his research into Israeli government papers and the darker aspects of the Zionist movement affected his views. The dialogue touches on the differences between Hamas and Fatah’s stances towards Israel and the complex road towards a two-state solution that Professor Morris advocates for, despite the resistance from various factions within the region.
*Quotes from the Podcast:*
1. “The most shocking, in fact, thing that had happened to the Jewish people since the Holocaust, basically.” - Reflecting on the impact of the events of October 7th.
2. “1948, I think is the crucial year in the evolution of the Zionist-Arab conflict.” - On the significance of the year 1948 in the conflict’s history.
3. “There was no predetermined plan. There was no systematic expulsion of the Palestinians, but on the other hand, most of them fled because of Israeli conquest and fear of Israeli conquest, Israeli atrocities in the ’48 war.” - Discussing the causes of the Palestinian refugee problem.
4.”The Arab leaders had been terribly humiliated by their defeat by this cluster of 650,000 Jews, and weren’t going to be further humiliated by agreeing to peace with the 650,000 Jews.”
5.”As a Zionist, I’m agreeable to a two-state solution. I think that’s a solution which would give a modicum of justice to both peoples. The Jews would have a state, and the Palestinian Arabs would have a small state.”
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Benny Morris is the definitive scholar of this conflict. Great content.
@hampusheh
3 ай бұрын
No he isn't. He's one of many, but has become worse with time.
@Santirata
3 ай бұрын
@hampusheh You are simply wrong. Benny has poured through more documentation than any other historian on the subject, it's not even close. His books are based on pure fact rather than pointless, ahistorical conjecture.
@SuperKripke
3 ай бұрын
His position is that Israel should have completed the ethnic cleansing of the non Jewish Arabs in 1948.
Great interview!! Well done, Roifield! Thank you for opening up the ‘truths’ of history.
An incredibly informative interview!
Very good show!!
Great interview :)
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Dr Benny, we should see your interviews on a daily basis! We have to show the real roots of this conflict unlike the delusional fell of hate Dr Finkelstien.
Just because they left on their own doesn't justify taking personal property during wartime. That 17 million of dunums of arab land needs to be rectified by Israel.
@RoifieldBrown
4 ай бұрын
Agreed
@jcou6541
4 ай бұрын
If the arabs won in 47 or 48. What would have happened to land that belonged to jews? What would have happened to the general Jewish population? If you risk it all, you cannot ask for it back after you lost
@ezekielsaltar4728
4 ай бұрын
@@jcou6541 You can't justify your actions based on an "if". The land in question is the core problem and the arabs need to be paid or given back the land. That's the law.
@jcou6541
4 ай бұрын
@ezekielsaltar4728 smoke screen agrument. "If?" The arabs within and the arabs without british mandate of palestine wanted the destruction of the Jewish state. As morris states arab nations called for war if Israel was declared a state. "If" can be seen by what happened to jews and jewish property in Jordan's west Bank and what happened in the other 21 arab nations. property and money from 800,000 arab jews is conveniently skipped over.
@ezekielsaltar4728
4 ай бұрын
@@jcou6541 You keep on justifying your viewpoint by using "what about". The law is clear, the land in question was stolen and there needs to be restitution. The stain can't be erased and will always be there until it is dealt with. The Israelis know this, which is why they want to come to an agreement. BTW, 1 dunam in Galilee is currently about $600K! Article 53 - Prohibited destruction Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.
I would hope a professional historian not to repeat unproven claims of barbarity about the Hamas attack. The killing and kidnapping of civilians should be enough for condemnation, but no, a black legend needs to be constructed in order to reproduce an ideology of dehumanization of the enemy and then proceed to the indiscriminate slaughter