I think that this series would make a lot more sense if the budget parts were indeed reliable. Budget upgrades doesn’t mean throwing garbage parts on a bike. that way you will show people that you can still get good parts and it’s not necessary to break the bank in order to have a good bike and have fun. Just my opinion.

@nommchompsky

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine that for the sake of their sponsors they want to make it seem like you have to spend more than you actually do to get reliable components

@EthanAdey

2 жыл бұрын

@@nommchompsky most mtb stuff is overpriced anyways

@bloodyfingersstl

2 жыл бұрын

This! Yes! Every episode I’m thinking that’s trash not a “budget” part. Why not an advent x drivetrain and some fsa cranks. It’s way more realistic.

@sebastianweimer1908

2 жыл бұрын

Soo true. There is no sense in "I throw the best money can buy on a bike and compare it to the cheapest shit I can find." For example if they just bought SRAM SX or Shimano deore it would be a good comparison. Also maybe fox 36 vs SR suntour Aion 35. A comparison between super expensive and budget underdogs. This would educate people to not buy the mainstream brands and help showing people other options.... Everybody should know that there are budget solutions, which can work as well as high end stuff.

@twinmike1

2 жыл бұрын

The baller setup will not last 10X longer so for the money the cheap setup is more reliable. Not saying I would want the cheap setup as changing out is a bit of a pain. That said spend 400 bucks and you get something that last and is totally fine for must of us.

Budget versus baller is a great idea, but the budget parts should still be an upgrade. They should get a lower end bike that comes with base parts and then build it up with budget improvement parts and then of course your baller parts. I feel like some of the parts that Henry is putting on his bike are worse than the ones he had. Which defeats the purpose of an upgrade.

@sarcasticundertones3513

2 жыл бұрын

I second this! It's obvious that really low end parts won't perform nearly as well as the top teir ones. I would prefer seeing SX vs X01, RockShox Gold 35 vs Fox Factory 36, budget Stans vs top of the line Enve wheels. I'm sure the difference wouldn't be as staggering then.

@csanadpaszti1926

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! This series looks pretty interesting as a concept, but it's becoming more retarded everytime. This is not budget, this is retarded. No one will but noname XT cranks on their full suspension bike, that even puts your health at risk. Please for the budget part, buy smart, used parts, you guys know bikes better than that! That poor bike is looking awful, but it could be great with some budget upgrades, not chinese downgrades

@samuraizach442

2 жыл бұрын

I can confirm this as I have a giant bike that is almost identical to the ones they are testing. The stock parts have been really reliable for me (3 years running w/ minimal maintenance) and in my opinion you’re gonna be spending way up to do better than what the bike comes with

@blocheadz

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. The OG Donut version of this show did just that. This should be called broken vs baller. I'd like to see this with average/budget and maybe even buying used parts. Thanks guys1

@alphagoat2035

2 жыл бұрын

True, but considering how good those entry-level products have gotten in the past few years, I don't think they can really tell the differences with the top of the line stuff, and you probably can't make a show out of that

So are we just gonna keep going until one of these crappy bike parts kills Henry? Deore 12 speed would’ve been a much better option and not much more expensive.

@bobvelting379

2 жыл бұрын

even the 10 and 11-speed Deore stuff would have been better and prob cheaper as well. but the 12 speed would deff be the best budget upgrade that is actually an upgrade

@gedrot2486

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobvelting379 Would've needed a new rear wheel though. That would've probably detonated his budget.

@rauldragu9447

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobvelting379 I wouldn't spend my money on anything new that's more than shimano 11 speed with the 51 tooth cassette. I honestly don't _buy_ the 12 speed stuff, the extra cog is just dead weight. Figuratively and literarily. On 11s the chain is thicker, it requires less precision, it's even lighter if you care about that sort of thing. As long as you have a big gear and a sort of small gear, that's all you need, I don't think that even xc racers would miss the extra cog. I've just checked and full 5 piece 11s group set costs the same $200 they spent but comes with trustworthy cranks and a comparable range to eagle. The deore 12s stuff is a full 100 bucks more for no extra features. The only advantages the higher end stuff offers are slightly better quality and precision, but we all know the real reason why people but this stuff is grams and image.

@bobvelting379

2 жыл бұрын

@@gedrot2486 Sunrace makes 12 speed cassettes for the standard hg body and if I remember correctly the m5100 11 speed and 4100 10 speed are also be hg body

@bobvelting379

2 жыл бұрын

@@rauldragu9447 I'm still on the xt 11 speed stuff. Got a second hand shifter that looks and works like new for half the price a little while back. It works great and the 46T is more then i need with my 34T chain ring, but considering how good the new 11 and 12 speed Deore stuff seems to work i don't think you can go wrong there. The new 11 speed 11-51 seems to bee a very nice setup indeed.

For the next budget vs. Baller, please do actual good budget *upgrades* that people can have a real use case for.

@mikhailroi7184

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. They're just putting garbage, doesn't make it an upgrade at all.

@STSmithable

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah like deore or singling

@STSmithable

2 жыл бұрын

*something

@theevermind

2 жыл бұрын

Depends. If you just had your drivetrain torn apart, busted, and destroyed, you need to put something--anything--on it because otherwise, you no-go. In that case, junk-level parts are an upgrade over no parts.

@nukularpictures

2 жыл бұрын

@@theevermind not those parts. The deore x11 set costs approx 250 usd, so really not a big difference and is quite a good part. It has a clutch so the chain would be much more secure and an 11 to 51 cassette. Those things are too expensive for 2hat they offer.

I use the Microshift Advent on all my bikes, works flawlessly and really dependable! The clutch is really strong as well, only a bit more expensive than the acolyte, whole setup is under $200 CAD

@GoAndPractice

2 жыл бұрын

Yep I have one on my fat bike. Since I adjusted it I’ve been blown away at how well it works.

@S.Minkii

2 жыл бұрын

Just buy an used m7000 group or 12s deore if you have a bit more cash, idk why anyone would go for microshift apart from getting it stock on entry hardtails from walmart

@drewjohnson7054

2 жыл бұрын

@@S.Minkii I replaced my well worn shimano xt drivetrain with a microshift adventx 10 speed and it's been awesome. It has nearly the same range at a 12 speed but is more dependable (derailleur adjustments don't need to be as precise so it can take several hits before needing any adjustment, I haven't had to adjust mine at all), can use a stronger chain, and is lighter than a 12 speed set up 3x the price. The only complaint that I have is shifting underload is not as smooth but I try not to do that anyways.

@sapinva

2 жыл бұрын

I'm using it on two bikes now. The clutch is as reliable as it gets and I've never had to adjust the cable after installation. I'll never go back to Sram or Shimano. Would be nice if they had a lighter cassette option for it though, it weighs as much as a 12 speed.

@jakebransford3155

2 жыл бұрын

@@S.Minkii Ive run deore, gx, nx, x01, pretty much everything, advent and advent x are my preferred. Cheers!

I think Henry’s bike is being done wrong. It should have a ~$120 dropper, a mid range rockshox 35 gold fork, a inexpensive race face cockpit, and something like the deore 12 speed or 11 speed group set with the same cranks. I think the upgrades should be budget minded but still suitable for use on a mountain bike.

@iancai5

2 жыл бұрын

The yari would have been better than the rs35 either way... They should just make it "smart decisions vs I have all the money in the world"

@Skooteh

2 жыл бұрын

I'd go ~$240 dropper with internal routing (crankbros, E13, PNW all have options), fork service + damper replacement, microshift AdventX 10 speed and a deore crankset. All stuff that performs great and is reasonably priced. I'd also get a separate dropper lever to point out the differences, maybe get aliexpress vs pnw version of that because it's a good comparison and something value shoppers would actually want to see.

@Pshpshpshpshpshpshpsh

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who “upgraded” from a stock fork to a budget rl35 gold I agree.

@joshe2420

2 жыл бұрын

@@Skooteh I agree with this more, cockpit was okay

@NonLegitNation2

2 жыл бұрын

@@iancai5 nah they should have just gone with a RockShox Recon RL it's about as budget as you can get with a great quality name brand part.

This could have been a great series, going full crap rather than "budget" killed is....HUGE FAIL GUYS

I think this would’ve been a perfect opportunity to give something like a microshift drivetrain a spot. Much more sensible “budget” upgrade

@KuroNoYuri

2 жыл бұрын

it was a microshift drivetrain though. Just a low end one

@benrichardson7344

2 жыл бұрын

I have the Advent X on my hardtail with a sunrace 11-51 10 speed cassette and I love it!

@marcemmanuelcastillo959

2 жыл бұрын

@@benrichardson7344 i thought advent x can only take up to 48t on the cassette?

*Looked at a lot of options for getting my **Latest.Bike** . Great find in SAVA. Super light, nice components, really good value as it comes with many options only found in much higher priced bikes.*

Really love this series! To be honest, I would like to see a little nicer or more reputable parts on the budget end though. Maybe you could revisit this series using entry level components from reputable brands like Shimano or Sram?

@cal...45

2 жыл бұрын

but it is xt!

@Kcducttaper1

2 жыл бұрын

@@cal...45 You has a point. lol

@dblevins343

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Getting a 12 speed Deore is a much better upgrade. Half of these "upgrades" are trully downgrades

My Shimano SLX drivetrain is a good balance of performance and value.

@ronaldd8741

2 жыл бұрын

my 11 speed deore 11-51T is pretty good value and doesnt break your wallet in half

@benjimtb4341

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldd8741 I've used both and the SLX definitely feels higher quality, but both of them shift flawlessly once set up correctly.

@CoderShare

2 жыл бұрын

For sure, SLX with the XT shifter. 👌

@nomadcarpenter8549

2 жыл бұрын

My cay smells like cat food

@mikhailroi7184

2 жыл бұрын

@@CoderShare ofc, but running both XT tho real fire stuff🔥

This is a cool series and all, but what I would really like to see is basically low end versus high end. For example Shimano Deore vs XTR, Recon vs Lyrik, aluminum wheels vs carbon. Some of the parts on Henry's bike was an actual downgrade from what he had so these are not likely changes anyone would make. But I really want to know if the high end components are any better then the lower end in the same brands. Personally riding some of the Eagle drivetrains (non-axs) I can't tell any difference, so expanding on that would be a cool video series.

@anotheryoutuber_

2 жыл бұрын

the problem is if you do a comparison of "mid-grade" to "high-end" the differences are so small it'll hurt too many peoples feelings.

@jonahdewitt8464

2 жыл бұрын

Most people wouldn’t notice a deore vs xt difference, and neither would a stopwatch

Is the "upgrade" on the budget bike actually an upgrade to whatever drivetrain that it already had? Or are they intentionally downgrading the bike? A Microshift 11 or 12 spd transmission would be better for the money.

@SprSonik13

2 жыл бұрын

seems to me this is about slowly evolving each bike, one to the ultimate build, the other to the most basic build. "Upgrading" might be the wrong term, while "modifying to expose the performance gap" is more accurate.

I was really curious to see how this all rolled out as I have been slowly upgrading a 2015 Giant Reign 1. I thought the budget build would be more along the lines of the work I have done to date but a lot of the budget build seems like downgrades to me... I am feeling confident I have gone about it the right way with a mix of new and used parts (thanks to the ballers and their take-offs!): Raceface Arc 30 laced with original hubs, Assegai front and back, tannus inserts. Sunrace 11-50t, OneUp 30T oval (on stock cranks) with Raceface composite pedals. SLX: derailleur, 4 pot brakes, rotors, levers, and shifter. Giant dropper with Chromag Saddle. PNW stem, Fasst MTB handle bars, OneUp grips. Rebuilt Suspension: Monarch Debonair / Pike (but for fun, currently running a mullet with a Lyrik Ultimate and Stans Mk 4 / DT Swiss 350) Maybe more of a budget ++ build :)

This is my favorite series on yt rn

Love the series and this one out on my birthday.... thanks!

This was the best video so far! It seemed much more relaxed and really fun to watch

this is such an awesome series!!

Love this series! I think it’s perfect the way it is and y’all are doing great! Can y’all also do another game of cards?

I like the chemistry between both of the guys. They should do a prope bike build next time. And Jason gets to put away all the tools afterwards

thankyou for this live stream - very welcome for us from Chile...

GX Derailleur was all you needed for budget bike. WTF MAN Realistic upgrades man not down grades.

IMO you should have gotten at least a clutch derailleur. Microshift has some excellent options that aren't super expensive and they are IMO legitimate competitors to higher end stuff (especially low end eagle drivetrains).

Everyone's crying about, you should do this, you should do that. Stop complaining this is a great series, so much effort and time has gone into it ! Just sit back and enjoy

I bought a ztto 50t cassette 10speed. Put it on my trek fuel ex5 but still running the raceface crank and original derailleur. Paired it up with a shimano acera shifter and works perfectly fine. The only difference is I splashed money into a decent kmc chain as from my bmx days I learnt chinesium chains snap with a wonderful noise and a very sensual knee to stem connection. I’ve probably got about 300km into the cassette and it’s perfectly fine for some stamped plated steel with questionable tac welds. Also those cranks iv been testing for 6 months on an old giant Boulder with an ltwoo group set. Works perfectly fine. Pretty sure those cranks are machined 6061 aluminum so the yield strength in the threads of the pedals you wouldn’t trust on a serious trail bike. I think this video is probably going to have a target audience of either new mountain bikers or the younger teenage generation. I’d go out on a limb and say most teenagers do not have 2500 dollars for a damn group set. Seems to be some hate in the comment section but the video is exactly what the title says. The parts are garbage but I’m happy using garbage parts on any of my bikes and riding it into the ground instead of throwing money into something I’ll never get a positive return on.

12:50 this frame should be printed and hanging in Jasons office by now 🤣🤣🤣 best expression ever.

Great videos, love listening to you guys banter and your opinions. Who is the music artist for the test ride segment?

Those ti cranks looks awesome! They're a work of art 🎨

@adamb724

2 жыл бұрын

And incredibly overpriced.

@jeepsterc104

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamb724 there is ti cranks at ali express I'm doubting they can be good . Based on good welds and the quality on the pics, I they have the potential to be good.

@adamb724

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeepsterc104 aluminum is more than fine for me. Ti for a crankset is a solution to a problem that never existed.

@mikuramsay

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamb724 nah, I've snapped multiple aluminium crankarms. I've never been confident on aluminium thanks to that... But I still use it because its cheaper, I've also cracked three aluminium frames, and every single aluminium freehub body I've ever used essentially ripped itself apart in a few months. I've always seen people talking about titanium and it's properties over the years, I just kind of wish I could have that on my bike. The lifespan of steel, almost as light as aluminium if built right, and can take hits unlike carbon, just sounds perfect for me. But its too damn expensive now lol.

@adamb724

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikuramsay if you're snapping AL crankarms you'd probably be deforming Ti crankarms...

Scanning the tool rack for the needed hanger alignment tool this whole video, even new bikes are out and it makes so much difference to the shift quality.

The budget in this series is far too budget. It feels like, in most cases, you should have just serviced the existing components as they're better than what is being put on. This is more "Baller vs Butchered"

Cheap drivetrain is good when it's new,the problem is it's not going to hold up on tech stuff and it will wear out in no time...The bling stuff will last long time if you don't crash constantly.

@SprSonik13

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on how much bling. My buddy is a mechanic and former pro roadie. He talked me out of top end stuff because it gets "finicky", which is also why it runs so well when it is dialed in. I am all about XT 11spd on my trail bike, and am moving to it on my hardtail next month. Runs forever, cheaper than the cheap 12 spd, and is much nicer.

@slimjim4ever

2 жыл бұрын

However a lot of times these top end blings are made for XC races mainly to reduce weight & therefore not as durable. My buddy cracked his XX1 crankarm on a root yet X01 is holding up just fine after numerous pedal strikes on stones. Same with cassette in many cases (more aluminum gears as opposed to all steel gear).

"You know the best thing to fit Bottom brakcets and headsets- Hmm MMM MMM 🔨🔨" LOL

Watching the series and first time commenting I'm looking a bit at the comments, and I def. agree with the most of you guys They took the idea from donut media- and they said it. Jason bike is the baller, but Henry is something a real biker would never buy.. I would be terrified to run those parts on my bike (enduro, dh) for my safety, but for others as well First some teenager could watch this and say to their parents to order those parts because they are OK Think it would be better that you done the series with these parts Fork: fox 36 vs yari Wheels : could of leave the giant ones shox: ohlins vs rs kage tyres: same but different casing (DH vs exo) bars: carbon vs cheap giant stem: same cassete: sram eagle vs sunrace/ sunshine (think that's not that bad of a cassete) rear mech: axs vs sram NX brakes: trickstuff vs shimano deore 4 pot keep up posting :)

All those unleashed dogs in the opening shot would make everyone on r/mtb furious.

After reading several comment about how the budget upgrades should be more of an upgrade it would be a sick idea to do a series on how to properly upgrade your components on a budget like what to upgrade first and stuff. So something similar to this just a less extreme and what a Normal riding should and would do. But I still love watching this series cause it’s just cool to watch

Microshift Advent is a great drivetrain and I picked up the groupo, shifter, cassette, derailleur and chain for under $200cdn and slapped it onto my old Stumpy to go 1x and it's been brilliant. It's a clutched derailleur and has a heavier throw than the XT derailleur on my Optic but for the price probably the best groupo money can buy.

I just upgraded my hardtail to a MicroShift setup, I chose the advent over the acolyte. Couldn't beat the value. Where else are you going to get a new, unused, clutched, rear deraileur with ball bearing shifter for less than 90 USD? I did splurge a little more on my cranks though and I went with a blackops crank with a 32t chain ring.

Its funny how Henry did not even care about an endcap on his shifting cable 🤣

This should be called Broke vs. Baller. It's fun, but you should make a true Budget vs. Baller.

Great video 🤩 but Singlespeed is all I need 🤪

Intro gives me an idea: $200 vs $2000 trail dog

@eugene44569

2 жыл бұрын

the free puppies found in a box in the middle of the street or a professional breeder

I am a begginer and I want to ask something, Is the shimano altus a good one.

After the brakes you can do custom paint: Budget can be diy 1 color from aerosol spray paint with stickers for the logos, and for Baller you can get a professional paint job with custom graphics.

I use the microshift acolyte on my hardtail pair with a 30 toots chainring an it's great

I wish you would've gone with a microshift advent x or box four setup. Because these are actually decent. Still nice video today.

Ok, for the final day you two should swap bikes. And that's entertainment folks!!!!

Henry's bike is a public danger, but i really want to see a huck to flat ultra-slow-motion video of it! 😁

The main take away from running srams 10 speed set up was the derailleur was the weak link.The joint pins on the devices main body were either made of cheese or a smaller diameter and migrated through the metal swiftly, so with sram something like xo will last, i have x1 o my enduro and its really lasted, 3 years and ta few thousand miles all remains tight. the x9 derailleur 6 months if lucky. the only thing id add is if you smash derailleurs al the time go cheap otherwise that £60 cheap unit will be replaced so many times over distance it will cost at least twice the £170 unit. Thats my experience since 2015 averaging 4800 to 12,000 miles per year. (yes one year 400 a month some nearer 1000 as wasn't sleeping, really really not sleeping so day/night was out there) hope this helps

i bet these cranks snap faster than the ones that where on your specialized kevevo sl

Brilliant series

The issue with a cassette like that budget one you chose is that many people have folded the biggest cog

What bike are they using? or the frame rather

I guess; getting an expensive components is a way of having a feel good factor of yourself and to do some flexing towards your mtb buddies. I've been using the same Shimano Deore 1x10 Speed for about 3 years. I can still outclimb and outpace riders with XTRs, SLXs and SRAM eagles.

To me, the biggest advantage of a 1x system is the fact that you don't have to coordinate shifting between the rear and the front. Especially off road where you often have little time to change gears. While watching the slow motion of the ridding, the SRAM clearly has a much better clutch mechanism.

I have the advent 9spd with springlock, $120 I think, stopped all drops so far . Engagement is a little harsh on shifts underpower. It's quiet on the trails, and seems to be decent quality in general.

in the very last episode to compare better the upgrade jason is gonna get a new shiny frame, seems fair to me ahahah

I'll be honest with you I've never used a top of the line crankset before so i don't have much to compare too, but I've been using a budget $45.00 IXF crankset (which is what he has, just rebranded) and it's been extremely solid. IXF is the go-to for budget minded people who want to go to a Hollow Tech 1x crankset. Also the MicroShift Acolyte is a good groupset for people on a budget but a AdventX would be better for a little bit more. I was going to go with AdventX but decided to go with a Box 4 groupset and I love it, although the always engaged clutch is a PITA when trying to take my rear wheel off.

What was the weight difference there? Not that it matters to me LOL, but im intrigued.

I am once again asking for [clever budget upgrades] haha

quite surprising that drivechains are close in performance. Very educative video.

I love how they turn the camera away from jason as he destroys the freehub threads because he is using the huge tool vs a freewheel socket.

like gettin stranded with one gear in the middle of nowhere, get a hyper expensive electronic deraileur. but hey dad bods gotta impress the other dad bods. lol

imagine having a sponsored parktool wall of tools and hammering in the bearings...

19:30 For an extra $20 you can get one of several shimano hollowtech II based 1x cranksets and for an extra $10 more you have a shimano cassette too. For like a total extra $60ish you could go full shimano drivetrain with a kmc chain. Why would you do anything else?

I really hope you guys do an enduro race (at least 2 days) to really see what parts last. The baller “car” broke down on the long drive/drift test.

Holy shit I want Jason's shirt too I get the electric wizard reference , I need it!

Time for custom paint job! Budget v baller!

Did I miss the episode where you guys got the budget vs baller haircuts?

I like everyone else started out on 3x but been using 1x mostly for a few yrs now. Converted an old khs i had from a 3x8 to a 3x11, not going back to 1x. Had a few panic moments with how fast I was going a few times

Acolyte is marketed as a drivetrain for kids bikes. For a few $ more you could have had Advent or Advent X with 11-48 cassettes and proper clutch, rather than Acolytes ratchet system. I run Advent X on my gravel bike because Microshift also sell brifters for it. 95% of the time I run it with a 42T ring upfront, but when I go bike packing I swap it for a 34 to give me some serious climbing power.

Henry downgrading the bike during an upgrade competition... 😂

What forks are on the budget bike

The invention of the one by drive train!!! Please. GB :)

Really the sweet spot is somewhere between the two, but still closer to the low end. Cheaper service, good performance, good durability, good value. Shimano deore, and their identical siblings which do not carry the deore name such as bl-mt501 to bl-mt6000 which are the exact same but one is cheaper and uses a slightly different paint color. I don’t own a mtb but I ride gravel. I have a cheap ass hybrid I got from rei for 500 which now sells for 1k with a hodgepodge of upper low end components such as Shimano alivio and Altus. Alivio rear mech with shadow is damn good and dirt cheep. It fits an 11-36 cassette with 9 speeds and a tripped up front with 48-26 range. Pretty sure the range works out to be wider that your run of the mil fancy gravel bike nowadays with 1x. It works damn well. Really my only issue with the bike was cheap hydraulic brakes which had me fearing for my life on a decent due to fade which got upgraded to the deore type, tires to something more gravel specific, and some esi foam grips. The thing has been rock solid for like 4 years now and is totally badass imo. Basically buy a bike for a hood deal with value stuff on it and you upgrade and change the stuff you don’t like or is not performing well. You save a ton of money and end up with a pretty cool and bombproof ride.

When referring to gearing ratio, you should mention the wheel size. Eg. Henry thinking back to his old 34-42, there is every chance that was fitted on a 26" bike which is a perfectly reasonable ratio. On a 27.5 or 29 you would want to drop down the front chainring to compensate for the larger wheel with the same derailleur.

At the end of the video it looks like both bikes are showing front suspension is basically bottoming out. Thats like 95% travel? Whats up with that?

Its funny to hear them talk about the invention of the 1x drivertrian. I had a 1x drivertrain 30 years ago as a 10 year old as my bike was a 1x5. All they really invented was adding more gears on the cassette and getting it to shift well.

@johndef5075

2 жыл бұрын

I converted my coil forks to air on my 1974 Yamaha moto bike. Full suspension too...

After the brakes there is still one upgrade to make... Spray Job!... c'mon you know you wanna... 🤘

No shade at all, please do bike versions of all these kind of Donut-esc shows. I'm sure they're not first anyways.

Please make a video on the new spectral

In my opinion, both of you should have an opinion on both parts / bikes. Riding them both will make it easier for you to notice the difference in performance!!! Please do! :)

I would go for Deore M61000 SGS instead for better range, at least on a 29er. bu if smaller wheels the Microshift probably would be an alternative too, but on 29er I would have to use a smaller chainring, I currently use a 32T. I have Archer D1XTrail, which is an electronic shifting system, but I can use any mechanical rear derailleur. A complaint people had was it shifted too slow, but now there are new batteries that make itt shift much faster. I currently have Deore M61000 SGS, absolutte black 32T oval, Garbaruk 11-50T cassette, not cheap, but works really well, easier to clean, and half of tthe weight of a Deore cassette, butt much cheaper than Shimano XTR and Sram XO Eagle, Race Face Atlas cranks, robust cranks, but awful preload ring, so I upgraded to Cane Creek preloader, Chris King Thhreadfitt30, works well. I went for cheap RD cus I don't need anything better, and I can destroy an rear derailleur and a cheaper rd won' be as big deal. So I think I have a pretty good bank for tthe buck electronic setup.

I’m so glad they did the cane creek cranks they are sick

I would like to see more effort put into these budget vs baller comparisons. The approach is not realistic and an insult to our intelligence. Example. I am a budget guy. My last 2 bikes came with bottom end NX and SX sram 11s and 12s. Neither would not stay adjusted cuz they suk. I replaced them with the GX derailleur and left the rest. That was just over $100. Its been solid, and likely performs exactly as the the top dollar set up other than weight.

Ever tried a rohloff speed hub instead of this easy to break derailleurs?? Shifting when not peddeling, and Shifting while pedeling!

Audio techs need to boost Henry's voice. This is a great series btw.

I would've loved to see a microshift drivetrain on here, great value proposition that probably isn't terrifying

Much more interested in diminishing returns options than budget ones.

So, will Jasons bike be for sale after this?

It would be sweet if, at the end of the serie you guys do paint jobs as well

How long will it take the editors to realize Henry's audio needs to be significantly louder than everyone else's? No matter what video he is in you can barely hear him. Does no one review these before posting???

When you both finish your bikes can you take them to whislter? And shred the gnar? 🤝😎🤘

Is the Giant a Reign 1, 2 or 3? Should’ve paid another $50 for a smaller chainwheel on the budget bike.

Stupidest series they’ve done could of got an 11 speed Deore group set for a couple hundred dollars. Every choice they’ve made for the budget bike have just made the bike worse

every comment seems to be complaining about how this series has been executed and I am completely there with them.

I like how every episode they make Henry’s bike worse and more dangerous. I can’t wait until they replace his frame with a Walmart one.

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walmart has an in house brand that makes full carbon frames designed by knowledgeable people in the industry. completely blanking on what it's called, but it's orders of magnitude better than mongoose lol

Again, as everyone says you should consider parts with value, not the cheapest stuff you can find. Especially on drivetrains there's a lot of competitio, especially with Shimanos new 100 series. You guys got the cheap drive train for 180? I have a Shimano Deore-Zee drivetrain that costed me 215.

You think they would do a paint job with cheap and expensive spray paint and clear coat towards the end of the series

I liked the way of thinking when making this series. But sadly it did not turn out the way i thought it would. Instead of trying to actually get a cheap Setup going, its more of a "Lets get the least famous cheap parts for the bike". There are Shimano Deore Cranksets for less than 50 bucks brand new There are Schwalbe Magic Mary performance line tires for 15 bucks each (They are heavy as shit) There are Crankbrothers plastic pedals for ~20-30 bucks There are Shimano groupless hydraulic brakes for less than 20 bucks a piece. Seeing the trailer they didnt take any of these. Even Cheaper options, available in actual stores and not on Wish or ali baba with almost the same performance as better groupsets.

Budget doesn’t always equal garbage. Come on Pinkbike- be realistic