This is a link to a complete playlist of 17 caliber videos that you will not want to miss. kzread.info/head/PLu6ODJMpIgKpC6m5vBbkCiBW9TDm-jPTi

Very clear and concise presentation that should answer a lot of questions for a lot of us. Keep up the research. Very helpful

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kinnd words. 😃

As a general rule the 7 ft/lbs per pound of target makes sense, however I wouldn’t call it an always rule. By that standard a 1000 pound moose requires 7000 ft/lbs which is more then traditional elephant cartridges such as the 470 NE or the 416 Rigby. A 3000 lb hippopotamus would require 21000 ft/lbs which is more then a 50 Browning. A 5 ton elephant would require 70,000 ft lbs which is more then any military 20mm Cannon. On the other hand I wouldn’t shoot a 2-3 once starling with less then five foot ponds from a pellet rifle which would be more then double the stated standard

I liked the how you explained the differences between the three bullets, performance. You were easy to follow.👍

@outdooradventures1696

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr Trumble for your compliments. Much appreciated. 🙂👍

Very nice video, thank you. I love your cheat sheets, makes it easy for decision making.

Thanks for the vid. Im sold on the hornet. Time to go shopping!

Cheers Mate! That was very informative & well presented.

@refaiabdeen5943

4 жыл бұрын

I'm planning on buy my first Rim fire 22. I'm looking at the versatile CZ 457 as to the verstality of changing barrels for a range of configuration or the Ruger American. Will you be kind enough to advice me. Cheers

This was just the video I needed , I was undecided, needed perspective, you honestly laid that out so nice. Now I know with confidence what direction to go in . I also learned about the 7× rule for game ypu mentioned, this too is extremely valuable information. Thank you !!!

@outdooradventures1696

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Nicole for your kind words. They are definitely appreciated. Hope you will have a happy new year. :)

@nathanclarke2413

Жыл бұрын

I want a 17 wsm or 17 hornet so bad but Noone makes ammo for the wsm and the hornet is like 2 dollars a bullet 😫 556 is cheaper

@gringoreno

Жыл бұрын

I love my 17hrm shoot hornaday polimer tip very dependable savage

Thank you, great presentation!

great video and explanation! I have the hmr and wanted to move up to the wsm or the hornet...you did an exceptional job of cross comparison!! thanks

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you mr Waits for your kind words. Much appreciated.

@jamestschetter8932

3 жыл бұрын

I guess my 17hmr is for sale now that was very good information always was interested in the hornet

@cancermonkey7334

3 жыл бұрын

@@outdooradventures1696 I really enjoy your videos, but I’m wondering about your 7X theory. By your own explanation, that would mean you’d need 7,000 ft lbs energy to take down a 1,000 lb moose. That’s a lot. Is there a diminishing return in those numbers?

Well I see you finally did uncover the complete line. Good

Great job ! Just simple . Outstanding !

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h3WrvMaRZtObiNo.html I hope you will also enjoy this video also 😉

Great and informative video👍 love the cheat sheet they are very good.. Lot’s of respect from Denmark🇩🇰

Great information. Let's not forget what the speed of sound is.

Thanks for the info I just got the 17 wsm today and think it will serve me well for coyotes and such

Great video. Thanks

@outdooradventures1696

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Nicholas Johnson for you compliment. 👍

This is a link to the 17 hornet shooting steel as well as being chronographed. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dqGtu7p8aa7aYaw.html This is a link to the 17 wsm shooting steel. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g3h4xMiSddDVerQ.html

great video. This caliber in CZ 527 is my next rifle. can't wait to do some long range wacking!

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you Brian K for your compliments. If you liked this video then you will love this next one kzread.info/dash/bejne/hXltsZipn5W0Zqw.html

@krod2162

3 жыл бұрын

Skip to 17 Hornet by the 204 Ruger with the CZ 527 I have one it's awesome

Thanks!

Great calculations

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😃

excellent presentation. very educative

@outdooradventures1696

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Syed Hassan for your compliments. 👍

Oh!!! Missed opportunities.. ARG. It was sitting there gleaming. Oh i was hoping to see the deformities on the bullet. Awesome work on all the info and explanations thank you

I'm trying to figure this out. I have lots of boxes of 17hmr ballistic tip, matter of fact I've never even seen hollowpoints on the shelf to buy before. Was it only the 20 grain that had that, and was that the point to compare apples to apples since the others were 20 grain as well? My ballistic tips are over 2500fps.

Good video however it's probably not fair to throw the 17 Hornet centerfire into the mix with two rimfire cartridges.

@billparadiso721

3 жыл бұрын

agreed :(

@guttasnipe4702

2 жыл бұрын

What about the 17 Remington Centerfire.

@danthieman7858

7 ай бұрын

Its fair,

Great comparison.

@outdooradventures1696

11 ай бұрын

Thank you. Much appreciated

Class information

Obliviousy a lot of work to this video. Good job 👍

@outdooradventures1696

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words. 👍

Nice comparison. For me I like the .17 wsm because its much cheaper to plick with. The Hornet is a center fire bullet and does out perform it but at a much higher cost. Hornet cost - 75 cents each time you pull the trigger WSM cost - 29 cents each time you pull the tigger. So if you like to shoot alot I think the WMS is a great trade off.

@tiputipu777

4 жыл бұрын

The hornet is tuneable by reloads and if you like plinking shoot 22lr

Good job... love my 17hmr

I would have liked to have seen the drop at those distances like you have shown in other videos. Nice video though

I thought the 17hmr & the 17wsm were the same thing, and I had never heard of a 17 hornet. Only a .22 hornet. Thanks for the info. I guess I'm getting too old to keep up with all the calibers.

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and I am very glad that you found the info to be helpful. 😉

@rcolborne4123

6 жыл бұрын

cost of ammo is a big factor. I know in the UK 17 Hornet follows the price of gold...lol very expensive round Hornady is making a limited run of 17 Hornet I was told.

Very informative, i shoot a .17 hornet a lot for coyotes in tighter country to save the fur. I've lost a few out past that 200 mark but it's great for not putting holes in them. Going to try a 25 grain bullet this year.

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind words. I think that a 25 grain is a great idea. I just picked up a couple of boxes of the hornady 25 grain hp yesterday. NOBODY in town seems to stock it though. The good people at Bear Arms in Scottsdale special ordered some for me and they had it here within 48 hours. Do you have any experience shooting them with a 17 remington or a 17 rem fireball?

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your good info. When you ran the ballistic calculator for the 25 grain v-max, what was the ballistic coefficient that you used?

Have you compared with 17 rem fireball?

17 hornet is a center fire no comparison to the hmr or wam. You should compare the 17 hornet with other 17 center fire calibers. Like the 17 Rem. The 17 Rem will walk all over that 17 hornet and still is the fastest round in 17 caliber

Hey curious question, is there a rule or anything for why your choosing 7x the body weight of the animal? Or Is that just personal and what you prefer? Keep the vids coming👍👍 I'm a new subscriber!

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Hello YoungTimmy. Thanks for your kind words and for subscribing. The 7 x body weight rule is not any kind of official hunting regulation or anything but is something I heard awhile back and then started to apply. It has worked out pretty well so far.

@jimdent351

7 жыл бұрын

outdoor adventures - I don't mean to criticize this 7x rule of yours, but it is way too high. With that rationale, my 300 Win. Mag. is not even adequate for moose hunting. A 180 grain .308 bullet leaving the muzzle at 3100fps only delivers 3840 flbs energy. Meanwhile a good bull moose weighs approximately 1500 pounds. Knowing full well myself, however, that a 150 grain .277 cal. bullet with a MV of 2800 fps, and a ME of 2611 ftlbs is more than enough to kill that same moose, I would say that your 7x rule only needs to be 2 or 3x max.

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Greetings Mr. Dent. Thank you for your comments. You bring up an excellent point. The video was mainly geared toward the 17 caliber bullets that typically have extremely light weights of 20 to 25 grains. The 30 caliber bullets are 9 times that weight and therefore they should be viewed in terms of Jules delivered rather than ft lbs. Thanks again for watching. :)

@jimdent351

7 жыл бұрын

outdoor adventures Not to be an ass, and I say this with complete respect for your well made video. The 7x comment doesn't fly with me for any cal., and here's why. First of all, when making my 30 cal. comparison, I'm talking about a bullet that is 9 times larger but is taking game 40 to 50 times larger than a coyote. Which the 17 HMR would work well on coyote. It's about knowing your limitations and not exceeding them. Secondly, what difference does it make if the unit of measure is in joules or foot pounds? At the end of the day, one quart is very close to one litre, and one foot pound of force = 1.36 joules. Hence, a 17 HMR that produces 250 ftlbs will produce 339 joules, so any cal. can be measured in joules. In a nutshell, we everyday people talk in foot pounds, and scientists talk in joules, newtons, etc. All I'm trying to say is many air rifles producing far less energy than a 17 cal. will cleanly and effectively take a coyote, if the shot is true. On the other hand, a bad shot from a high powered rifle would cause that same coyote a lot of pain.

@AnonOmmus

6 жыл бұрын

Jim Dent I may be wrong but I font think he was discussing big game hunting, but just his personal preferences while shooting varmints. Otherwise you're balls on right.

nice video. thanks for the information. did you happen to calculate the bullet drop of each cartridge?

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words mr Hovda. If each cartridge is zeroed at 100 yards, then the hmr will drop 9.26 inches at 200, the 17 wsm will drop 4.13 inches at 200, and the 17 hornet will be 2.20 inches low at 200. I hope this helps.

@paulagragg6350

7 жыл бұрын

Brandon Hovda

@paulagragg6350

7 жыл бұрын

Brandon Hovda

Are they equal to .177 cal air pellets?plzz reply

So do you need 3 different rifles i am interested in hornet so do i look for a ruger American 17 hornet ?

I just got a 17 wsm and 17 hmr and I have a 17 hornet on the way

Love the comparisons and your thorough explanations!!! Great job and thanks. I wonder, though, might one be better off with the .223 Varmint round in these situations? It turns out less expensive overall and is a reloadable cartridge, as is the hornet. The explosive quality of that varmint round is completely devastating and is good for far longer distances than any of the 3 mentioned here? Granted, it's a 40 grain bullet, much larger than these, but if your policy is to exterminate, should go for the higher expectations. Or am I thinking wrong?

@outdooradventures1696

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark Johnson for your kind words. Much appreciated. Keep in mind that when shooting the 17 calibers, (as with any caliber) when the speed increases the sound increases. The .223 40 grain round is faster than the 17 hornet (3800 fps vs 3650 fps), is also a larger caliber, and sits on top of 22 to25 grains of powder compared to the 17 hornet sitting on top of 12 to 13 grains. These factors will increase the sound to the point where hearing protection is a must. Shooting the 17 calibers without hearing protection is definitely not recommended either but is a more forgiving proposition in case you needed to do so for 1 shot in a hunting situation and did not have time to grab the hearing protection.

test flawed, you should have used 17 grain round to make it a better representation because it would carry it's energy farther downrange. hollow point is like a brake dragging in your car, it will not coast as far.

is it true that 17hmr on 500 yards holds only few joules of energy? (and it is safe to shoot bird on tree for example)

Good job. Great S-2

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😃

Interesting !

My bullet does not go trans-anything. Lol. Thanks for explaining this

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome. I am glad you found it helpful.

1124ft/s is supersonic. Speed of sound is 767mph. So at 300yds it’s fallen to subsonic because 1075ft/s is 689mph

Great video! Ive found the 17 hmr to be too light for coyotes. I've shot two. The first one I shot broadside at about 40 yards and accidentally shot him in the shoulder. The bullet exploded on it and he ran off healthy. I saw him come out of the brush at about 300 yards and looked at me and walked off. The second one was facing me at about 75 yards and I shot him right in the front of the chest. It dumped him pretty good. It will get it done but not ideal. The bullets are too fragile.

@outdooradventures1696

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Brent Kelso for your compliments and for sharing your real world experience. Check out these next videos and let me know what you think. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZICVxseeYM7Yf8Y.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/d313u7mOipq5gZs.html

Shouldn't be comparing a centrefire cartridge with 2 rimfire cartridges. Bit unfair... but still good video

RIP .17 hm2

I would like to see this with the 17 mach 2 included.

Speed of sound is not 1,000 feet per second is not the speed of sound. It is more around 1125 feet per second, give or take a few FPS for humidity and temperature at sea level. I have seen 1,100 break the sound bearier.

OK tell me on 17 REM at 150 YDs how much foot/lbs. is there? And how big of an animal do you think it would kill. A wild mule? A hippo? Buffalo ?

A "cheat sheet" is your own reference, a chart is a reference for others

there is a 20gr 17 HMR with that is not Hollow point and has a higher BC... FYI. 20GR Hornady VMAX @ BC.185

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the info. I do believe that such a round exists but I have not been able to locate it where I live.

@rjonzen34

7 жыл бұрын

+outdoor adventures They actually have a FMJ for the 17HMR.

Hi can all .17 rifles also shoot .17 hornet or SM ?

Which does everyone recommend for dispatching groundhogs at up to 120 yards? My 22 LR is not enough.

@crunkdaddy11

2 жыл бұрын

Hmr

"Whats the best?" Easy, the one I can reload!! CHOOSE my bullett style, CHOOSE my velocity, ect. 17 Hornet all the way bud!!😁

@Tommy-ni1yw

4 жыл бұрын

.223

@chrisbeekley1887

4 жыл бұрын

204 ruger

@Blanchy10

4 жыл бұрын

17 Rem!

Every animal I've ever shot rudely bypassed the digital scale I left out for them.

I prefer the 17 rem it comes in 20 gr or 25 gr. It's an old round. Remington was the only one making the gun and ammo.

What about 17/223?

Actually, sound travels at 1100 fps, so the hmr lost "it" at about 275 yards.

@leeannhartner5049

4 жыл бұрын

depends on altitude

Is the 17 Hornet the same as the HMR. I mean can they be fired from a 17 Cal rifle. I'm not real familiar with the round

@chrismiller2387

5 жыл бұрын

Dennis Graham no each is it's own. It's not like the 38sp and 357 or the 223 and 5.56 I wish u could shoot them all from 1 rifle

What about the .17 match it's a necked down .22lr case I think and they rock too the hmr is my favourite round ever so accurate the 20grain cci .17hmr are amazing

Why not include the 17 Rem?

First of all, I compliment you on your methodology. Keep up the good work. Second, the speed of sound in dry air at 32° F is 1087 fps - and at 68° F is 1125. (sea level is assumed).

@outdooradventures1696

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Kirk Boswell for your compliments and for the good info on the speed of sound figures.

what company makes a top shelf 17 hornet

@jeffscuderi8662

3 жыл бұрын

Hornady

BEHOLD...the power of Bashas.

the speed of sound is 1126 fps at sea level. So for the .17HMR your bullet would go trans-sonic at about 270 yards. Not between 300 and 350 yards.

I have to dispute one of your first comments about the hmr when you started the comparison. It does not only come in hollow point. Maybe that's all you found in the 20 grain. I have 17 grain vmax hmr rounds that have the red tip.

@David-hm9ic

3 жыл бұрын

The red polymer tipped bullets are still hollow points. The polymer tip helps initiate the expansion and improves the ballistic coefficient.

Not to talk, but my interest in 17 cal mainly for tactical rifles (Benjamin is an example)

Browsing t bolt

wrong, CCI makes the 17 HMR 20 GR. FMJ , non hollow point of course.

@woohoomx2768

7 жыл бұрын

louie louie and hornady makes a polymer tip

@MrExplorer1965

5 жыл бұрын

You are correct. CCI, doesn't. Hornady DOES. It's an XTP 20 gr.

I worked for a pet food processing plant for a little while. A 22RF was plenty to put down cows with a head shot at 50 metres. Energy means nothing without penetration, placement and expansion. It is also NM, Joules, KG/CM or LB/ft, NOT ft/lbs. It is a measurement of force, How many Lingual BS per square foot, Not how man feet per Lingual BS

Would the 17wsm be overkill on rabbits?

@jeffscuderi8662

3 жыл бұрын

Cottontail yes Jack no

I get the red tip hem rounds all the time

EXCUSE ME, Hornady uses a 17 HMR ballistic tip. And has been since the 17hmr's inception.

@gringoreno

Жыл бұрын

Great round that is all I use

Where would the 17 Remington "fit in" with these other 17 caliber rounds ?

@magaman6353

4 жыл бұрын

The 17 Remington is way better.

@jeffscuderi8662

3 жыл бұрын

4300fps

Base on your formula a 17 HMR is not good for Hunting?

does the three 17 style bullets work in the same gun, i have a savage 17 hmr ?

@andrewmorris9280

4 жыл бұрын

He'll no the cases are different sizes it wouldn't fit anyway

Now tells us the ammo amount and cost per box

atire em placa de ferro de 0.50 mm a 40 jardas

your math is a bit off. 10x the target weight is not linear, and the speed of sound is 1,125 Ft/s so the 17hmr goes transsonic around 265 yards, not 350 yards.

can you shoot each one of those rounds in the same gun?

@TheNatec125

5 жыл бұрын

No

Have the savage 17 hornet with a bull barrel ! TACK DRIVER 😜😜

You can shoot coyotes to 150 yards with .17hmr

Good video but don't agree with the 7x rule

Most of the 17 Hornet rounds I've seen / used with a 20gr bullet is 4000+ fps.

I would like to get a 22 hornet are a 17hornet

isn't the speed of sound 768mph? you said the 17HMR was below the speed of sound at 994mph.

@outdooradventures1696

7 жыл бұрын

The speed of sound is definitely 768mph which is the same as1125 feet per second. 994 feet per second is below the speed of sound. Hope this clears things up and thank you kindly for watching.

bottom line, we want them to open and not damage the fur 17 wsm all the way IMHO

@outdooradventures1696

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you R Colborne for your comments. I am fortunate enough to be able to shoot both the 17wsm and the 17 hornet.

Well I guess it's time to sell the hmr...lol and grab a wheelbarrow full of cash for a .17 hornet walking varmiter.

Why are you covering the boxes on the whole line ie. muzzle velocity? You should show each line across so we a see and compare each round to one another to make simple. And the video would be a lot lot shorter and the information easy to compare.

I applied fishing to hunting if you use the smallest line to catch a big fish you get more satisfaction when you catch it and if you can verify it you can get your name on the record book now just apply that to hunting. Thx

@pher8487

7 жыл бұрын

Your thinking is not for sports if hunting is considered as a sports than I'm right but if hunting is for survival than you're right the last time I checked hunting is a Sport. Thx

@onthefarm2005

7 жыл бұрын

pher8487 when you shoot a small caliber at a larger game they suffer more he's saying that you need enough energy to take down the animal with minimal suffering hunting it a sports but hunting ethics is part of that sport just like fishing for trout they don't want you to use too large of a hook because it tears up there mouths they suffer if ur line breaks because it's ok you loose the fish but it has a good chance of living on you shoot a animal with too small of a caliber they live for days in pain I am not a tree hugger just a hunter with ethics

young and reckless?

I don’t think you can positively compare these rounds as the 17 Hornet is a centre fire and the others are rimfire, why didn’t you include the 17 Remington it’s a centre fire.

So what are you trying to tell me, don't use the hollow point? You're not comparing apples to apples. Try the same thing using the HMR 17 grain Varmint Express.

lol your rifle loses 125ftlb going 100yds holy crap thats two150lb crossbows worth of energy just escaped from your round in about 1/25th of a sec thats crazy...going fast when your light weight is costly it seems...what would happen if you necked down something like a .338 to fit .22 25gr would you get a crazy fast 5000fps round or is 5000fps faster then the gas expansion ? 🙂👍

@jacobbruns4579

6 жыл бұрын

You'd probably only get about 10 shot before your barrel was junk. another problem is keeping the bullet together much over 4500fps. custom alloy bullets are expensive

@5:42 You mean subsonic.

I like being able to see number data , otherwise if it’s just verbal .. within 3 seconds it’s all a bunch of jumble mumble to me .. zing over my head

I had no idea the HMR is that slow. Depending on where you are it looks like the WSM, or hornet, though I wonder how tough that hornet speed is on the barrel.