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@trevorromein14

2 жыл бұрын

11:34 surprised you forgot to mention that window of time when you could have unlimited tethers by pausing, fire 2 shots and pause again to refill your super.

@Sazquacth35F

2 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a follow up to this video on Titans and Warlocks just for an overall comparison. As a Warlock main though i feel as if Hunters certainly have been given the royal treatment from Bungie compared to the other classes

@PattycakesGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@Sazquacth35F We're planning one for each!

@Berserk2508

Жыл бұрын

Re

@RiggedFem

Жыл бұрын

Now make a series for this for every class, to expose the real problems with Titans and the absolute bullshit that are Warlocks

From my experience and what I hear, it’s not a specific time. There is just always a perpetual hatred of hunters.

@nocnuc

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who hates hunters, yes

@sciji3118

2 жыл бұрын

Right I hate em so much and I've been playing as one recently even, I love all three classes but have hate for hunters with nothin but love for the others

@obeliskfenrir2100

2 жыл бұрын

agreed, no matter what we do or where we go we get shade

@oversouledict2005

2 жыл бұрын

I hate them so much 😂

@sirsalsa4195

2 жыл бұрын

this guy gets it

God I forgot how terrifying Blade dancers were in the Destiny 1. Nothing gets the blood pumping like rounding the corner and seeing a crackling blue psychopath rapidly flying towards you carried by the momentum of their own sword swings. I feel old now.

@Jjz0289

Жыл бұрын

This comment right here *Applause*

@niri2506

Жыл бұрын

What I wouldn't give to be able to go back to the good old days 🤣 Bladedancer quick AF. OP blink and no 3rd or 4th subclass. Armor actually being something special and not just randomly slapping whatever perks on it you want. Heavy ammo synthesis. Self-rez warlocks. Good times.

@christopherd6006

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@niri2506you’re on your own with that one. I definitely loved the subclasses

Reading the comments in both videos, it’s now safe to assume that hunters and titans just hate each other and warlocks despise both of us

@StuartLittlesNo1Hater

11 ай бұрын

As a warlock, yes. We have an unexplainable hatred for non warlocks and people with opposing opinions in general

@arbalest327

9 ай бұрын

​@@StuartLittlesNo1HaterI mean, I main warlock, but I hate stupid people (people who say warlock is busted in pvp)

@adventurekitty101

27 күн бұрын

Hey as long as you aren’t salty, this Warlock is perfectly chill towards you.

14:20 "we saw a rise of hatred in hunters because of their movement" me over here thinking that they're literally advertised as the agile class

@iWXKi

Жыл бұрын

exactly literally the only thing stompees does is help movement yet was absolutely shit with a -50 AE yet we don’t talk about lorely 😗

@ruby_loveyt

Жыл бұрын

That is the upside of hunters. They also are good for crowd control in PvE (titans and warlocks are good for dps [nova bomb and thunder crash] and protection [ward of dawn and well of radiance])

@Leonx25

Жыл бұрын

I always find that funny cuz in D1, especially with twilight Garrison, if you mastered the art of Titan skating, you were 100 times faster than any full mobility build hunter

@oogabooga2776

Жыл бұрын

@@ruby_loveyt nah hunters are WAY better at dps than warlocks

@essaarif7941

Жыл бұрын

@@ruby_loveyt hunters are the agile DPS homies. Blade barrage does the most damage out of all supers without an exotic, then you add stareater scales

I had a friend that kept complaining about the Hunter hate. He recently switched to Titan and now he hates Hunters with a passion. It's hilarious to watch

@vitulixodokrl

2 жыл бұрын

Fake, your friend or you are lying, or he never liked hunter anyway, hunter mains only know how titans and warlocks are such crybabys

@CarriesOnTop

2 жыл бұрын

@@vitulixodokrl u sir are a hunter crutch u simply can't play anything but hunter

@dhstarwars1984

2 жыл бұрын

Lol he’s a traitor!! Lol nah but really haters are going to hate he just didn’t know he was one 🤪🤪🤪

@badjuh1788

2 жыл бұрын

@@vitulixodokrl this is true

@1KidneyLoserBoi

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like me. Hunter main since D1 beta. Switched to Titan at Beyond Light and you would not think I started as a Hunter by how much I bash them now lol

I think the reason hunters are so hated in general is because of my theory of class-gamemode synergy. It seems that warlocks kits were crafted with pve in mind, hunters with pvp in mind, and titans to bridge the gap. nobody complains of people abusing busted loadouts in pve because it helps them, but when hunters have things catered to crucible, it gets noticed a lot more often, and therefore gets more hate. (when i mean kits, i mean initial abilities, like the auto loading rift and barricades, the old bubble, well of radiance, nova. this doesnt take exotics like oem or ophidian or lorely splendor into thought.)

@nikhilsuri99

2 жыл бұрын

I shit you not....someone on reddit literally told me...well of radiance was a crutch in pve and the context of gos...I wish I was fucking joking

@nocnuc

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikhilsuri99 lmfaoooooo. Well crutch in gos 😂

@levithian7416

2 жыл бұрын

you are very right though with hunters we have more trouble surviving in end game pve if we don’t use something super cheesy when warlocks have a lot of healing options and with titans again the bridge the gap and they are in a good mid spot

@semperfi2014mn

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikhilsuri99 sounds like a warlock main tho, at least all the complaints I hear about well are from warlocks… most of my friends that play well hate how most raid teams depend on it, they want to play different load outs and subclasses. This was especially apparent after void 3.0.

@bigguy9101

2 жыл бұрын

Warlocks and titans are broken in pvp wym?

You should do something similar for the other classes, as a titan main i definetly have had some moments where warlocks were the bane of my existance (looking at you D1 Stormcaller), and i know for a fact that people hated me for abusing that OEM

@christian7247

Жыл бұрын

Don’t remind me of the OEM era 😭

@neklmae3375

Жыл бұрын

bro youre playing the most broken class calm down

@valsagar4917

Жыл бұрын

@@neklmae3375 mfw hunter main

@PG-20

Жыл бұрын

@@neklmae3375 calm down Hunter main

@af1199

Жыл бұрын

OEM era man that was traumatizing…….

I'm a Warlock main and I never had a issue with Hunters up till Stasis. My skill could compensate for everything prior but Stasis just scuffed all that. No amount of skill was going to save you from the shatter. That was/has been my only complaint. Edit: corrected a typo. Corrected was to from.

@D4ngrs

Жыл бұрын

Funfact: The hate towards hunters made parts of hunters way weaker than titans and warlocks. Especially the supers. In most supers you get so easily killed by anything else, while, for example with golden gun, you need 2 hits to kill another super. Those supers onehit you or whatever. Sometimes I feel so weak when I play pvp, it's just funny.

@BuddahDntStop

Жыл бұрын

@@D4ngrs well that’s not taking in account the range at which you can 2 tap, Titan for example; if I pop fists of havoc and you pop Goldie, if I’m not close to you 9/10 I’m dead

@Comet_373

Жыл бұрын

@@BuddahDntStop nah man, if u pop that shit in the air your too fast to really hit more then once and if by chance the hunter is next to a wall or your aiming near the ground to them their done

@mikehunt4382

Жыл бұрын

But what about the warlock stasis melee? I love getting sniped by a punch and then 1 tapped while im frozen in place

@Zevox144

Жыл бұрын

That was literally all three stasis subclasses though.

I feel like Destiny Players just immediately get triggered when anyone even mentions a class, especially if it's not their own main. There is just something about those classes that really sets off some ancient tribalism part of our brains.

@robertgray3710

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve played every class since d2 year 1 and I can say hunter is the weakest since it’s the most complained about it gets a ton of nerfs people say oh our class got nerfs 2 but hunters exotics or abilities or supers get some sort of nerf, like I went back to try stasis again after a year and silence and squall is hella slow like unless the team actively camps you can maybe get one kill and warlocks or Titans can run and jump and just skate away after being frozen

@robertgray3710

2 жыл бұрын

And also stasis is worthless in pvp, I throw my duskdield and it was a one v one and the warlock I was fighting stood in it the entire fight killed me and stood in it for 11 seconds after before freezing and I’ve dropped glacier nades and it doesn’t even freeze and the enemy clips right out of it

@VietfreedomGaming

2 жыл бұрын

CLASS WARZZZ

@forg4308

2 жыл бұрын

I felt like titans and warlocks were thick as thieves over the years, bound by our mutual hatred of the hunter scum. But then warlocks won guardian games and finally had their WoR nerfed (which needed to happen, but warlocks won't stop complaining about it), and as a titan, I can no longer morally be any warlock's partner in crime. CLASS WARZZZ ALL THE WAY!

@lordshaxx2024

2 жыл бұрын

@@forg4308 WoR is literally stronger than it was before

It's also worth noting that spectral blades with gwisin vest didn't just last for potentially "minutes ", if you got one kill, you could stay in it forever. It wasn't uncommon to see a spectral blade pop two minutes into a match and last until the end of the game.

@cookeez7010

2 жыл бұрын

Except those were just bugs. Don’t you remember when titans could do the same exact thing with roaming slam, or when warlocks had the bug where they could stop their beams mid super and have 75% of it still? Literally all races have experienced many different forms of broken mechanics, abilities and supers. But people only focus on the hunters

@funnystranger3380

2 жыл бұрын

​@@cookeez7010 wasn't as good as hunter thought... the arc titan did have invisible power and wall hacks.. you needed to find the Enamy and get close without them running.. what hunters with all the extra stuff just make it alot easier and it was way harder to kill the arc titan.

@snug7221

Жыл бұрын

@@cookeez7010 Bottom tree striker would last maybe a minute if done correctly back when people complained it "lasted too long". Gwisen vest literally let you stay in spectral blades FOREVER if you got ONE kill... Theyre not comparable lol

@justdragogames

Жыл бұрын

Guilty as charged ✋😅

@Zevox144

Жыл бұрын

Except the effect was also built into both bottom striker and dawnblade. Y'all can say that unlick spectral these couldn't infinite, but you're just throwing your bias over your memory. And best part is that titan's actually went the longest without getting the hammer out of the three.

I remember I wanted to be Hunter at first but my friends already chose a hunter and a Titan so they forced me to be a warlock and I gotta say, I’m glad it turned out this way

@cookeez7010

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah ns you’re bungies golden boys lmao

@jackhunter9800

Жыл бұрын

@@cookeez7010 that’s cap 🧢

@cookeez7010

Жыл бұрын

@@jackhunter9800 gonna try and tell me bungie doesn’t love warlocks most lmao. They get the best exotics, the best exotic ornaments, the most intricate armor designs. They get creative new abilities, they are now the fastest class in the game with insane movement. They have the best supers for both PvP and PvE. Like bruh wym

@Telesto_Timelost

Жыл бұрын

@@cookeez7010 while I do have to agree that warlocks have the most unique abilities. You can’t say that warlocks are bugies favorite class since most of our abilities got stolen!

@Telesto_Timelost

Жыл бұрын

Devour, healing nades,ionic traces, arc web

Hunter main here. I just want a crucible game mode that shows up once a month. It has everyone with equal stats, no exotics, no class ability, no super and everyone gets the same guns. It will be more fun as it just makes skill the main thing and not having some meta loadout that makes it seem like easy mode.

@jaredelliott5778

Жыл бұрын

I understand the appeal for a gamemode like that but it goes against the entire "looter shooter" genre that destiny is so well known for.

@infiniteshades079

24 күн бұрын

Go play cod

"17 times the destiny community hated hunters" "We never stopped..." -a titan main

@eme621

2 жыл бұрын

but why do you hate them though?

@cookeez7010

2 жыл бұрын

Why because you can’t push one button to get a free kill? Oh wait you can it’s shoulder charge 😃

@FatGuyMike

2 жыл бұрын

@@cookeez7010 wrong. Lol they got nerfed. Need peregrine greaves to do it.

@tysoncarver5181

2 жыл бұрын

@@cookeez7010 Oh. You mean throwing knife. Got it.

@brendanbush2174

2 жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyMike I mean, thats not much of as exotics are part of the build. But hunters do also have a OHK. Both sides of the argument are stupid.

In the end it was and still is the pve players that get hurt the most. Sad that abilities and exotics that were fine in pve were nerfed just because bungie doesn’t know or simply don’t want to keep pve and pvp separate. Though it looks like they’re slowly removing their heads from their asses with the next update.

@ThelonniusGuff

2 жыл бұрын

This didn’t age well 💀

@meghanlaue7964

2 жыл бұрын

I hope so! Two different games altogether.

@DronesOverTheMoon

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThelonniusGuff who got nerfed

@ericx6969

2 жыл бұрын

they descrated the corpse of titans with solar 3.0

@snapjlr6228

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericx6969 eh

I've always had issues with warlock egos in my dms but honestly each class is so much freeking fun. I cannot hate any of them

@corvus196

Жыл бұрын

Chad

@arbalest327

9 ай бұрын

Tbh warlock balancing has been terrible in pvp, titan being vice versa the same thing in pve. Warlock mains are tired of being shit on in pvp due to lack of ability spam, titans want more shit in pve. Them whining about pvp/pve is totally justified.

the melee having funky hit registration was actually due to it proc'ing when it came into connection with players heads. I loved it due to the fact that it was the perfect counter to blade dancer when timed perfectly. All u had to do was aim up and shotgunning and u were almost guaranteed to kill em

As a new destiny player, it's fun learning why everyone hates me as a hunter so much! 😆

@ballyhoomk.2780

2 жыл бұрын

Heh stompies go brrrr

@lobstapasta3198

2 жыл бұрын

Hey @luscious. We’re in the same clan lol

@clifflenoir4323

2 жыл бұрын

Feel like Crow :)

@cennnyy

2 жыл бұрын

i remember choosing hunter purely bc of the cape when i was 13 and the attachment is still stuck with me

@t0mm4s07

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a hunter since D1, if you need any help tell me, we must face titans and warlocks! 😂

It's ironic that everyone hates Hunters when the majority of players in Destiny are Hunters

I remember the old callouts for PvP/trials, I guess they faded out with time. Things like “absolute” when someone was low, gets me nostalgic

I'm a hunter main, played a bit in Y1 of D2, but quit before Forsaken and really joined the game during Beyond Light, so I experienced the Shatterdive meta. I thought when it was nerfed, people would lay off the Hunter Hate, but it continued, and now I see why. It's an endemic problem, deeply seated in the minds of the community.

@zeromythosver.

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you’re pretty much right. What sucks is plenty of Hunters, at least on PvP-improvement-centric forums and circles, wanted Shatterdive to go the hell away as much as anyone. Bungie failing to address it for as long as they did reads like favoritism or a gift to Hunters, but that whole year of PvP during Beyond Light was far from a gift to everyone involved…

@max-pn8tt

2 жыл бұрын

It just sucks bro like I don’t use stompees but I honestly don’t see when people hate it so much “Omg hunters can jump high, the movement class has the best movement” can’t warlocks use heat rises and chill in the air for 20 mins? Either way I can’t wait for one of the actual good exotics to get nerfed when stompees stop getting used, looking at mask of bakris.

@zeromythosver.

2 жыл бұрын

@@max-pn8tt I think Bakris will stay as-is since it comes out of the box balanced, extending your dodge cooldown by making it only start after Light Shift ends But if anything gets anything about it nerfed, it’ll be Rift getting some of its movement tech nerfed (but idk if that’s fair since how different is that than Dawnblade Icarus Dash movement?) I think the ideal answer is if for Rift they’re considering nerfs on all these things, just leave them alone but make the objective carrier not able to use class ability or air moves while running the spark, no need for nerfs and Rift stays less frantic and like a race to abuse movement abilities

@sawyermurdock6521

2 жыл бұрын

@@max-pn8tt heat rises is easy to counter and if you see them first it’s hard not to kill them

@CyberZero232

2 жыл бұрын

@@sawyermurdock6521 Really? I find it hard as hell to deal with the floaty Warlock hiding off the map flinching me to high hell with DMT as a little rough, especially with that huge AE buff coming with next season

Pretty sure the community has never not hated Hunters lol There’s always something for people to get mad about in regards to Hunters. It gets pretty annoying For example Titans blame Hunters for the Twilight Garrison nerf despite shadestep getting the exact same nerf at the exact same time. Warlocks were complaining about both evasion abilities but Hunters end up taking the blame.

@derekmaldonado4672

2 жыл бұрын

Warlocks ended up being the only class with blink Lol until arc 3.0 probably.

@VietfreedomGaming

2 жыл бұрын

you're blind :)

@bwhere45

2 жыл бұрын

Or the fact that stompee-5 got nerfed (no issue with it honestly), but tranversive steps are completely fine.

@Alckee6904

2 жыл бұрын

@@derekmaldonado4672 i mean warlocks taught hunters how to blink... its in the lore.

@Alckee6904

2 жыл бұрын

@@bwhere45 thats because tranversives dont represent 90% of all warlock exotic usage in crucible, also warlocks jumps are nowhere near as potent as hunters.... Stop trying to make an apples to oranges comparison lmao, warlocks are the worst class movement wise. It's either icarus dash or nothing. No shoulder charge, no titan skating, no hunger stompee spamming on roof tops to get insane speed, no jumping 2 stories in the air in a quarter of a second get the point?

I remember when shatter dive was broken and I figured out quickly on my own how powerful it co it could be with whisper of fissures

Notice how there is no video about warlocks because as soon as something goes a warlocks way it gets nerfed into the ground

Oh man I remember those instant kill back melees. Kind of crazy how much has changed.

@catodes1295

Жыл бұрын

It reminds me of the time Jett's (from Valorant) ult refreshes everytime she gets a kill. People were abusing the alt fire where you launch all five knives at someone and you can do it until all of the enemy was dead. Though that was removed, but only for the alt fire. The normal one, where you shoot one knife at a time is still there and is a lot less broken and harder to do

I've always been a titan main. Since d1 taken king launch. Honestly I wasnt too big into the community to see the hunter hate in d1 but I see it in d2 for sure. But I also hear every class complain about each other. Just seems that hunters get it the worst due to sheer numbers

@landop3320

2 жыл бұрын

back in the day, i didnt even know hunter was this broken lol even though i was hunter main back then

@steffon3650

2 жыл бұрын

@@landop3320 Cause it wasn't lol. Every class was strong so what we had didn't look that powerful.

@Crazy-nt6cr

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah as a hunter main in D1 then going on to playing all three classes in D2 i think i can say that all three are pretty busted imo

@landop3320

2 жыл бұрын

@@steffon3650 Yea I felt that every class had broken stuff back in D1. I didnt know the hate for hunters until D2 cuz tbh, I dont think there even was that much hate for hunters back in the day

@ericx6969

2 жыл бұрын

then u dont remember how op blast radius 1 shot trip mine grenade was in d1 where u could get killed because your dumbass teamate trigger it and got you killed but it got nerfed etc

I remember one time when doing Crotas End, the group I was in was all arguing about who was going to run the sword. This happened for a good couple minutes until I got everyone to shut up by saying I was running it. We beat the boss in one run. I also remember doing hard mode and having to count my sword slams to keep Crota from enraging before we could kill him. I think it was 19 slams. After that, I wouldn't touch him again until I got a fresh sword. Ah the memories.

“the nephew of savathun” is such an indirect and insulting (to oryx) way of titling Crota and i love it

Do this for every class!

I wish arc blade would return I prefer that variation of the super over the arc staff

@MrMultiPlatform

Жыл бұрын

Called spectral blades

@dave7474

Жыл бұрын

@@MrMultiPlatform cringe if you think theyre the same

Hunters when their baseline kit means nobody can see them or fight back in any way "Its totally balanced... gitgud" Hunters when another class, through serious buildcrafting, godrolled gear, top tier exotic combos, skill, and dedication manage to eek out a 50% win rate "Warlock and titan hella op plz nerf"

Honestly it’s just the nature of their movement and class ability that make them better suited for pvp. They have quicker vertical mobility. Plus a dodge that breaks aim assist, makes for easy repositioning, and gives them a 3rd person camera. So fighting against a hunter in the crucible as a titan or warlock feels a little annoying since the other classes can’t do any of those things to the same degree

@TheFirstDisciple001

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, but both of the other class can also go into 3rd person with their class abilities. Obviously the hunter's is better because it has a shorter cooldown and better utility, but just wanted to point that out.

@treysmith9371

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFirstDisciple001 ofc but both of those class abilities are stationary. Plus if you’re a warlock your head hit box doesn’t move so popping it can make you an easy target. I think that’s the biggest difference

17 times is a strange way to say 8 years lmao.

#18 watching a KZread video bringing back my hunter rage all at once Sincerely A Titan Main

Not sure if this has been mentioned however I remember abusing Khepris sting as a blade dancer with skip grenades. Only lasted briefly before it was nerfed however those grenades melted people

I just liked having 4 jumps so I can get to high ground and use my scout rifle that carsed explosions on kills (or headshots, I don’t remember)and the void ult that tethered to enemies and had them all share damage was so satisfying. Especially in that raid with the long bridge we had to cross.

I was originally a Hunter main in D1 then I moved to Titans when D2’s curse of Osiris was out. I was a fan when I used Bladedancer & Gunslinger (especially bladedancer with Last word because last word was my first ever exotic I owned when I did Prison of Elders for the first time and a god Roll Her Benevolence with hidden hand and snapshot) I had so much fun I still remember when snapshot was a substitute perk with 2 other choices unlike D2’s version which uses snapshot as a main perk

@ericx6969

2 жыл бұрын

I want d1 last word not d2

17 times? It’s an every day thing

The one thing I've always heard is that the two things that always come back to strength are warlocks and handcannons

As a hunter main, I absolutely hated all of the hunter metas from beyond light onwards. So annoying to play against.

Hawkmoon + throwing knife, broken blade dancer, fleet footed shotgun on blade dancer, invis blink shotgun, Frost-EE5 + Monte Carlo and Max Discipline + Strength build, Nightstalker Wombo Combo, Nighstalker had dodge, one shot flux grenades is what as a D1 hunter I can remember

@SM-ys8lw

2 жыл бұрын

you're really gonna act like locks and titans haven't had some absolutely stupid builds as well

@airsoftluke17

2 жыл бұрын

@@SM-ys8lw dude I play only weekends idk any builds college has taken more time

17 times, nah beyond light was when everyone started kicking us in the balls

@dhstarwars1984

2 жыл бұрын

Nope I hated hunters bad in d1 it’s been a long time until I finally came over to the dark side Before my hunter hate was real

@d43m0n412

2 жыл бұрын

You mean hunters getting kicked in the balls??? You are a funny funny person... the only people kicking hunters in the balls was other hunters because the other 2 classes couldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as a shitterdive hunter... but a funny thought though

8:45 I forgot how much super energy we used to get back in the day😂😂

I'm a hunter main, and I try to avoid using my super often as it can deal massive combo damage when arc titans throw down their supers at the the same time. I use Nightstalker and honestly I have had times where a titan and warlock would join me just to show up the newer lights who didn't understand teamwork and tried to use their hunter classes to just steal kills lol, it still happens to me in D2 on certain occasions

I thought we always hated Hunters for being the class with the best PvP tools and exotic? I wish my Sentinel Shield had the tracking of their throwing knives though. I've literally watched it curved AWAY from opponents it should have hit.

@iansantiago6526

2 жыл бұрын

Exotics???? Hunter's have like two exotics that are actually good and not complete meme territory, omnioculus and the infamous "stompee's" And stompee's are getting a nerf so hard that it'll make the infamous jump 200 feet into the air at mach 10 hunters literally impossible to work, unless they have pin point precision... Now as for their kit, yeah they're pretty dumb on pvp.

@Volker_A4

2 жыл бұрын

definitely not exotics

@KLGChaos

2 жыл бұрын

@@iansantiago6526 I said "exotic." Yes, it's only one, but it's probably the best PvP exotic in a game where movement is king. Obviously, it's getting nerfed next season, but really good players probably won't be affected too badly by the aerial nerf. It mostly going to be the average Joe's who actually miss shots who suffer.

@iansantiago6526

2 жыл бұрын

@@KLGChaos I mean, warlocks have an exotic that is basically two gun perks applied to any weapon in the game(Quickdraw reload masterwork and quick scope) and titans arguably have the most game changing exotic in the game with loreley splendor, which is absolutely retarded. Stompee's are good, but I think there are better options in other classes...

@weebtrash3376

2 жыл бұрын

@@KLGChaos no players who are good are going to be the ones most effected by it because of how they were able to take in air gun fights more often than the regular player. Still ducking stupid how they’re going to nerf it due to the data saying they’re the most used exotics for hunters and they’re buffing ophidians which had the same % of usage

What I really hated about the forsaken era blade barrage was the insane amount of damage reduction while casting the super. You was able to survive anything. So it was basacally a panic get out of jail card.

@raid_shadow7525

2 жыл бұрын

And I hated that Meta too

@rapscallion8810

2 жыл бұрын

Im not saying that its the same thing with NB now.... but it is.

@gurimisenpai2358

2 жыл бұрын

You didn't have damage reduction. You had damage NULLIFICATION from the invincibility frames.

The only thing I remember about D1 crucible is getting into one of those cabal vehicle shits and spawn camping everyone with the rockets.

Just watching this gives me nostalgia to all the times people hated me for playing hunter and i still do to this day

So much Nostalgia in this Video, I love it! Hunters will always be my main... As a Hunter main I salute, love this video

Hunters have the advantage in PvP. v Rapid vertical movement on console is very hard to track and manage. And majority of hunters ive come across have edgy names and are usually rude.

@chaosgreyblood

2 жыл бұрын

I ain't edgy and I ain't rude. I am prideful, yes, but rude? No. I only become that way when someone legit makes me mad, that it's warranted.

@Kaaldojul

2 жыл бұрын

@@chaosgreyblood your capes suck our bath towels are better

Was a warlock on the beta of D1, when the release came, became a crayon eater forever. Then Forsaken. Still ate crayons, then discovered steak, started experimenting as warlock. Became a warlock main, but never forgetting my roots.

Bro that warlock went flying after you killed him with the recluse

I hope they give blade barrage some love and possibly rework shards of galanor. I think Shards should increase the number of knifes thrown in blade barrage. They should give blink to arcstrider and give them a ranged attack of some kind like d1 blade dancer had.

@elizabethhicks4181

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh I want an exotic like Osmiomancy for the knife fan… I love the aesthetic of a trillion knives but man…

@weebtrash3376

2 жыл бұрын

Warlocks already don’t like blink, giving base blink to hunter would just feel bad

@greenlukesky4615

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure arcstrider already has a ranged attack. Yes it’s part of a combo, but still a ranged attack

@montecarlowithdawningornam1817

2 жыл бұрын

@@greenlukesky4615 combo? You melee during a slide in middle tree

@kore8902

2 жыл бұрын

@@montecarlowithdawningornam1817 I think he means the light light heavy in your super that allows you to do a palm strike and launch out a cone of electricity.

Great video. We need one for warlocks and Titans next.

@therouxdeluc3923

2 жыл бұрын

we love warloc and titans but hate hunters

@veralium

2 жыл бұрын

the one time the destiny community hated warlocks: stag rifts (I hate fighting stag rifts even as a warlock main)

@Levigumba

2 жыл бұрын

@@veralium warlocks were hated for melee range, The Ram helmet, self res, infinite nova bomb glitch, how long stormtrance lasted at TTK launch, top tree dawn, rain of fire boots, well replacing bubble, blink, and launch stasis. That's all I can remember rn

Lmfao the wombo combo is how I got my first Lighthouse in D1 that was so cracked

"Tiniest little misstep" Man, I only swordbeared twice, first time I was trying to figure out how to do the whole sword swing-drop sword-pickupsword my first try and one of my co-workers and another hunter yelled at me through the mics. Lag was an understatement since sometimes myself and others the input wouldn't let you drop the sword or that Crota would insta swing after being on it's knee. I never played hunter after that and long into Destiny 2 due to that.

Title misleading. There was only ever one time we hated hunters: Always.

@tyroneb97

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@mirai3755

2 жыл бұрын

Better class what can i say 🤷🏾‍♂️

I love being a hunter main, but I’m trying to learn how to play with my warlock in pvp now and it really pays off. I think I’m even better on my warlock then my hunter if it comes to pvp.

@ltseshwater509

2 жыл бұрын

It's because you have to actually think about what you do

@vitulixodokrl

2 жыл бұрын

@@ltseshwater509 warlocks saying you need to think what to do, haha flying dmt go boom boom

@lopsplays9535

2 жыл бұрын

​@@vitulixodokrl 😂😂😂 literally every game I go into there's either a top tree dawn or shadebinder warlock floating off the edge of the map then flinching me to death with dmt or some other bullshit, or how about their fucking buddies which either weaken or rapid fire come out of nowhere and how they camp in their Wells with scouts and the stag helmet. Then they beg for dodge nerfs or movement nerfs for hunters. Dodge doesn't even dodge anymore, or at least I always get sniped mid dodge. Dodge has just become a way to switch direction but both warlocks and titans have ways to dodge mid air (icarus or shoulder bash)

@angelvergara5061

2 жыл бұрын

@@lopsplays9535 every game I go in is all hunters crutching invis w fusions n stompies. literally all it takes. I RARELY ever see any dawn or stasis warlocks n even then its better facing them then hunters who go invis to get a fusion kill n invis again the whole game

@angelvergara5061

2 жыл бұрын

@@vitulixodokrl haha spamming invis behind the whole game to pop out w a fusion jus to go invis again

As someone who only plays Destiny on and offand is therefore "stuck" with one class - which just happens to be Hunter - I can say that the throwing knives are honestly the major reason I'm not a Warlock main, whose class identity I can connect with a lot more

Only 17? My guy, ITS ALL THE DAMN TIME.

I play all 3 classes. Hunters are now a viable option in PvE GMs. That's a great thing. Sad they nerfed Titand to the ground in PvP though. Loved my Behemoth!

@chaosgreyblood

2 жыл бұрын

Well, you can still use Ward of Dawn to troll people in Trials of Osiris, and you still have nifty abilities, so it's not like you should lose some sleep over it. And of course, incoming Solar 3.0!

@Kaaldojul

2 жыл бұрын

I just wanna bonk with shiver strike

@deadshotdaiquiri_4217

Жыл бұрын

@@chaosgreyblood I’m from the future, solar 3.0 ruins sunbreaker titans

Ngl I'm really glad this video was made. At first I was like "eh, every class has a tendency to hate the other classes, what's new :I" Then I was like "Wait a minute. There was so much busted stuff in d1. We all love d1 and a lot of us hate on d2 for not being d1, but if we had d1 right now instead of d2 it's ACTUALLY suck. HARD. I didn't realize it but we've kinda gotten really spoiled with destiny. It didn't occur to me how amazing this game really is. Thinking about it now, honestly, (specifically b/c of all the new stuff they're adding with subclass 3.0 and the story and such), in maybe a decade we'll be looking back at d2 and being like "damn that game was nice". Destiny 2 definitely hasn't been 100% a substitute and heir to the halo series, but it's definitely made a big lane for itself in a similar way. I really hope they add something into d2 like the prison of elders, or some other kind of horde mode thing. It seems like compared to d1 there's been what feels like a drop in lethality. It'd be nice if we had some type of pve thing where we can REALLY test the limits of these builds we're about to be able to start making, some place where we can be as busted as we want.

you should def do this video format for titans and warlocks too

Can’t remember what year or season but skip grenades was a thing for ages in Trials 😂

I have been a hunter main since D1 on day 1, and I have always loved the class. However, I play all 3 classes and there are things I love about all of them. There have been some REALLY broken builds for all 3 classes. The hate needs to die lol. My buddy is a warlock main and always complains about the other two and so I’m and so on. I mean warlocks could fly off map and snipe you with DMT lol!

@ericx6969

2 жыл бұрын

hate only hunters and warlocks

@cheetahofthewind13

2 жыл бұрын

I get the meme titans and hunters hate eachother but i fucking hate warlocks with a passion, people say hunters have ego. Bruh ive seen warlock mains with bigger egos then Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos combined

@oreo-postraphe

2 жыл бұрын

​@@cheetahofthewind13 Bro honestly and its always the shitties warlocks who act tough Like chil bruv and put down your well, I cant be the only one doing it

Honestly the only thing that consistently annoys me is “Dodge” to me it just seems so far and above any other class ability(pvp)….AND STILL NO TWILIGHT GARRISON FOR MY TITAN

@zeromythosver.

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is it’s only so strong that way on console, so for the 1/3 of the game that’s on PC the class abilities are a lot more close in strength and what they offer, dodge is still good there but so are the other two Makes it hard for Bungie to alleviate your all’s issues with it on console without breaking the delicate, pretty good balance of the three on PC On PC the strongest class ability isn’t even one, it’s even more frequently off-cooldown than class abilities are: it’s Icarus Dash, which seemingly isn’t a problem on console

@Freezaboi

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeromythosver. That makes sense, I imagine on MnK you could acquire your target faster after an enemy dodge then you could on controller/console.

@zeromythosver.

2 жыл бұрын

@@Freezaboi yeah outside of Bakris/Gemini/Bombardiers (but no one runs those) it has almost zero offensive or juke utility It’s a disengage tool mostly, faster to dodge back into cover after peeking (gambler’s dodge that is, for the sudden change in your hitbox) than if you walked, slid, or jumped back in The only way you can take a gamble on a juke closer than disengaging a losing primary fight from a distance, is if you rapidly draw shapes with or jiggle your mouse to kinda fall over yourself in place and make them miss a shot or a few, but this is generally a last ditch effort that doesn’t always work

@burna.k.a.turtleonalog4327

2 жыл бұрын

I think titan should get some sort of functionality with an air move because both other classes have at least one each (not meaning melee, I mean as utility or movement). Hunter has shatterdive and purple shatterdive (no clue what it’s called, quit playing hunter outside of raids since I switched to titan in black armory, might retry because elden ring taught me how to dodge) and warlock has Icarus dash and the ground falling thing, but titan has nothing.

@Freezaboi

2 жыл бұрын

@@burna.k.a.turtleonalog4327 exactly, you can do “things” like shoulder charge but that also requires build up and not really a dedicated “move”

Right now playing void hunter with mountain top (rocket jump) and using the smokebomb to dive straight into enemies on pve is the most fun thing i have found xd

Honestly as someone who was almost always invis during void 2.0 void 3.0 crushed me as I couldn’t have my dodge back every 11 seconds and I couldn’t go invis every 3 seconds

I’m a Hunter main and I try to not be toxic but get shamed anytime I use anything in pvp 😔

@cookeez7010

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the club brother. We’re literally always hated lol

The hunter pvp bias is un real....like there's no way a fucking sane dev genuinely thought arc and solar battery wasn't extremely bias to hunter's....

@lopsplays9535

2 жыл бұрын

Top tree dawn

@Levigumba

2 жыл бұрын

@@lopsplays9535 warlock complainers have one argument

@bwhere45

2 жыл бұрын

@@Levigumba one that got even stronger with solar 3.0, along with stompee-5 getting nerfed and transversive steps remaining the same.

@Levigumba

2 жыл бұрын

@@bwhere45 comparing stompee5 and transversive steps is a bad comparison. TS only buffs sprint/slide, while stompee5 is built around improving all movement options for hunters. A better comparison would've been astrocyte verse, since it also buffs a jump ability

@bwhere45

2 жыл бұрын

@@Levigumba it's the extra mobility for how your class moves, that's the comparison. Pretty obvious there buddy. Astrocyte only works on blink voidlock, TS works on all subclasses (same goes for dunemarchers on titans). It's also the fact that only one out of three main mobility exotics got its in air accuracy butchered.

Now thinking about the fact Warlocks have a Hunter and Titan ability from D1 in D2

I play destiny day one and my guardian class was Warlock, other players used to flock to me or stare at me as if I was a rare find or something considering I mailed Voidwalker and I was quite skilled especially with Blink, Hunters seemed to hate me in PVP because I was incredibly unpredictable, each death I slightly changed my build.

Dont forget that there was a LONG point where if you simply opened your menu while usuing the nightstalker bow shot, it would reset the super and allow you to pretty much infinitely shoot around the map. Warlocks had this too with Nova bomb but i recall a loud portion of the warlock player base pleading with people to not stoop to that level AND it was patched out within the week.

I feel like what people miss in this discussion is that movement is a huge part of the meta in D2 PvP. Hunters, even without any exotics have the best movement abilities in the game. Jump is faster, dodge is crazy powerful, and there are very few warlock and titan builds that can come close. I play all 3 classes but I have to play long range on warlock and titan because most hunters can straight up outplay me in CQC. Hunter play style feels faster which makes them more challenging opponents in crucible

@LivingTheorem

2 жыл бұрын

Hunters have good agility, but titans and warlocks are faster than hunters in a dead sprint. Unless the hunter is using stompees or bottom tree arc with strafe jump, which still doesn't compare to warlock or titan with their respective movement exotics.

@THEdavehogue

2 жыл бұрын

@@LivingTheorem I don't think warlocks and titans have faster base run speed than hunters.

They also never chose a shader that's not metro shift or like amethyst veil

As someone who has played both Warlock and Hunter, primarily warlock, since D1 I can say that from my experience, Hunters have an EXTREMELY easier experience in PvP than other classes. Back when Forsaken released, I wanted to have the achievement of saying I earned Luna’s Howl. I decided to use my Hunter for it because I KNEW hunters were busted in PvP. I was able to complete the entire quest and got my reward in a matter of 3 (maybe less can’t remember) days. And that was during my casual hours as a solo. So personally, I believe that the complaints hunters get in PvP are completely warranted. Not saying they’re right, but they are justified.

its funny, in my experience, i find warlocks to be the most hated. especially after void 3.0

When a warlock complaines about hunters I laugh and continue playing but when a titan has something to say I listen

@mzdarxsvn

2 жыл бұрын

whys that lol

Lol you didn't mention Cheesing Crota. 🤣

I remember when wormhusk got nerfed so quickly but it took quite a while for oem to be nerfed

As a hunter main, this was a nostalgic trip down memory lane. Thanks patty!

Honestly, I don't mind Hunters that much because they always get dunked on for seeming to have a cursed Vanguard seat. And the fact that their movement exotic doesn't fit any kind of fashion they can conceive of. And considering what Warlocks and Titans can do with Void 3.0, I honestly think Hunters got the short end of the stick for once: Warlocks get a choice between regenning their health after every kill by throwing a nade/melee at someone, having nades that deal crazy damage amounts or getting a boi that weakens enemies while feeding their grenade and melee. Titans get to choose between having a barricade that regens their grenade when they stand behind it, or making people go boom by hitting them with abilities. Hunters not only have a still-rubbish tether, but they only get a purple outline that's far more visible than before Void 3.0. "But they remove themself from your radar!" I hear people cry. Try using your eyes instead of your radar then.

@angelvergara5061

2 жыл бұрын

lmao The super is by far the worst for hunters but neutral game is by far the best. U an old head who cant watch radar n turn at the same time. radar is the only thing that tells us the location of enemies behind cover. and the fact that hunters can deceive and manipulate a whole teams radar by jus throwing their melee is ridiculous. AND if someone walks near it they get hella debuffs. n being able to go invis either alone or with teamates almost all the time is better then what the other subclasses got especially when u have a decently coordinated team

@dynamicm0n070

2 жыл бұрын

I think I would have agreed with you on void 3.0 until they gave devour to everyone, that combined with hunters having at the time the best dps super in the game. And radar bait was def also quite strong, even if you can use your eyes there are limits to the areas that is effective. Certainly now with solar 3.0 though the gap has become visible imo. Hunters were given much more flexibility and power than the other 2 classes, even after the incoming buffs I don't see that rift closing. At least in my opinion, this is a fairly consistent feeling I have all the way back at the start of d2. I have been a warlock main since d1 and at the beginning of d2 it felt like much of what I enjoyed about warlock in d1 was stripped away, and as I left d2 then came back to it in shadowkeep it felt much the same in that way. Even now I feel that to a certain extent, I lost much of what made solar warlock fun for me and we are now forced to (at least partially) play into TTD. Where in contrast when I visited hunter it felt like the gates had opened with more options and potential than pre solar 3.0. I will admit I am very biased though as I was never a fan of dawnblade even at d2 launch, but at least personally I feel much of my frustrations towards hunters is seeing my class receive what feels like weaker and weaker content boosts and watching hunters get incredibly well flushed out and advanced kits.

@Corvaric

2 жыл бұрын

@@dynamicm0n070 I still cry about the loss of our infinite grenade build in Nightstalker, it will be missed. Plus annoyed that one fragment that requires a void melee kill. A void melee kill, on a void hunter. Do you see how absolutely nonsense that is.

I could never be a Titan or Warlock main but I love my Titan and Warlock team mates. The amount of people that can't pronounce recluse correctly is mind blowing.

Those snipe clips were godly

When I started playing Destiny 2 i was a Warlock because sword, but when i tried the hunter jump it was so much more intuitive for me that i remain a Hunter until today. I've since mastered the warlock jump as well, but Hunter just fits my personality more. Also, none of my friends play Hunter (until Dawnblade got "nerfed"/changed with Solar 3.0 that is XD), so at this point i play Hunter also because somebody has to represent!

I dont hate hunters, I hate how glaciers move faster than bungie fixes broken stuff in pvp. Renewals, lorley splendor, etc.... the reason hunters get all that hate is due to numbers. Having more players means people encounter broken hunter stuff more than broken titan or warlock stuff. Thus it is just that much more annoying cause its encountered so very often.

I’ve been playing hunter since day one of destiny 1 something about the hunter just called to me and I’ve been playing hunter ever since, I legitimately have less than two hours playing warlock or titan since release

Titans: Absolutely bitchmade crayon eaters crammed to the brim with one shot kills and resilience - everyone hates titans Hunters: Dodges, extra empowered melees, instant reloads, amazing and diverse exotics that fundamentally change the way you play the class, fairly loaded in general - most people have something they hate about hunters Warlocks: annoying healing, i guess? - warlocks are chill dudes

As a hardened Warlock main....I can assure you there are infinite reasons to dislike hunters lmao

@bigguy9101

2 жыл бұрын

Like your stupid Melees? That literally give you free kills

@cjbladesworth8049

2 жыл бұрын

Get good.

@bigguy9101

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjbladesworth8049 I’m better than you’ll ever be trust that

@cwj2733

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigguy9101 skill issue

@bigguy9101

2 жыл бұрын

@@cwj2733 also better than you’ll ever be

This is wildly biased but I loved the trip down memory lane. You should have mentioned how ridiculous the super and melee for stasis Hunters were too pre-nerf. Do this for Warlocks (revive, melee hits giving full shield, handheld supernova!, chaos reach, etc) and Titans (literally everything) please!

@zhalosupercell4380

2 жыл бұрын

Bro, you really gonna say it's wildly biased, when it's nothing but facts about the history of hunters, and then proceed to say everything about titans is op? My guy, both warlock and titan have nothing on hunter over the years

@ericx6969

2 жыл бұрын

@@zhalosupercell4380 speculation and facts are not the same do u even logic

@zhalosupercell4380

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericx6969 it's literally a video detailing the broken hunter stuff over the years I don't get what's hard to understand

@oreo-postraphe

2 жыл бұрын

​@@zhalosupercell4380 Yea youre a titan main, your best titan is literally pegged by an egyptian man lmao

@zhalosupercell4380

2 жыл бұрын

@@oreo-postraphe nope I play all three classes my warlock is my most played and hunter is slightly neglected but I get everything done on all 3

18:51 I knew warlocks could fly, but not that high!!! (Also, what happened to this map? It was my favorite)

I was always the sword bearer as a Titan, I never let anyone else do it. I found that it was easier for me to do it then any other person.

Everybody hates every class and thinks Bungie is out to get them. Genuinely one of the worst communities out there.

@LivingTheorem

2 жыл бұрын

As a salty hunter, I can confirm this is a sound fact

Would like to note something positive as well - as these eras went on, the changes came a lot quicker. From bladedancer not really being touched to invis changes a month after the expansion launched, I could literally see Bungie’s balancing team get more responsive over the video time!

as a hunter whos never abused any cheese other than crota, not even stasis, i’ve always thought that warlocks were bungies golden boy. i’ve always been gunned down in my supers and instantly murderized by a warlock melee

been playing hunter since D1 and I’ve gotten so used to the strategies that I can’t want to switch

An odd trend I noticed about the toxicity of each type of class's player is the type of toxicity. Hunters, while there were a lot, were more silent with BM and occasionally would be aholes with a quick message but that was it. Titans actually wouldn't be toxic all too much aside from certain loadouts and abusing things like stasis, one eyed mask, etc. If they were ever toxic message wise, they were like, dumb toxic, if that makes any sense. No logical reasoning in their BM and mostly troll. Warlocks (ironically my main) while I didn't run into a lot, were maybe some of the worst. With high egos, over the top knowledge on the meta (pvp OR pve. Yes seriously) and would go out of their way to be scum but then act like they did nothing wrong. Like I said, very rarely do I run across a toxic warlock. Usually, they are just good at the game which can spark some hate or can be kind of bossy in raids depending on the type of player they are. Does this apply to everyone of those subclasses? Of course not. This isnt to stereotype or hate any class. Just trends of what I noticed throughout like 3K hours of playtime.

Wait, when did we stop hating hunters? Every 12 seconds when they dodge away from death to cover in PvP I am reminded why I hate them with such a fiery passion

@bigguy9101

2 жыл бұрын

Your probably just bad

@clifflenoir4323

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigguy9101 No u

@bigguy9101

2 жыл бұрын

@@clifflenoir4323 that’s the proof right there

@clifflenoir4323

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigguy9101 That's what your mum said

@clifflenoir4323

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigguy9101 If you had finished school you might have learned that it is "you're probably just bad" short for "you are". Your means it belongs to someone

I'm a hunter main for life. I'll proudly strafe in front of you during DPS phase and not learn my lesson. I'll dodge out of your bullets in pvp, I'll rush through a strike 3x faster leaving no enemies left for you, people already dislike me so there's nothing left but to embrace it.

I remember beating crota legit once, got black hammer, then every other run was cheesed