8" guns are actually bugged in game 😀 they get way too much accuracy bonus with enlarging the gun. If you look at 8.9" guns in 1890 they have accuracy like mark 3 guns.

@TimTimONE

10 ай бұрын

So Bugabuse? Nice...

@USSLongIslandCVE1

10 ай бұрын

I have always sworn by 8 inchers in my campaigns, thank you for showing me in not insane.

@RLD_Media

10 ай бұрын

Damn, that explains alot of my success, shit. lol

This is the first time I have observed AI vs. AI battles at length, and it reveals some serious issues with the AI's tactical approach. Ships change targets very frequently, which reduces accuracy each time. They spread fire among multiple targets instead of concentrating, which prolongs the time it takes to sink ships. Worst of all, they sometimes stop shooting at heavily damaged ships, leaving them in the fight with operating weapons. That's not even including the bizarre maneuvering. It seems like a few basic changes to priorities would sure make the AI a lot more challenging.

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Players would have handled this very differently and probably gotten a different outcome.

@totalwar1793

10 ай бұрын

@@Stealth17Gaming Yeah, players would definitely just stay out of range of the 8.7s lol

@candleman2123

4 ай бұрын

Having said that, it was common to shoot as many different ships in the line as possible to put them under pressure. If you COULD concentrate, because you had additional guns/ships, you could, but it was thought that it was better to have every ship under fire. Jutland is the most famous of these events, but there are quite a few others to draw from, including the 2nd Pacific Squadron fighting the Japanese. But using speed and range is also a thing so, you know, AI is still pretty poor.

@devrossik

4 ай бұрын

@@candleman2123Oh, yes, that would work in an actual battle. In this game, it's more critical to fully sink fewer ships than to merely damage many, both to stop them from firing at you, and to get maximum victory points for the campaign battles.

@candleman2123

4 ай бұрын

@devrossik ahhh OK. It makes sense. I would be genuinely surprised to see a game that attempted to represent that kind of effect.

Another great tournament video, Stealth! However, this battle shows why I am so worried about the British ships. That secondary battery is deadly, and my ships need to get in close. I haven't yet tried the Spanish ships versus Britain, I'm sort of afraid what will happen. See you tomorrow!

I think it is the AI battle management more than the designs of the ships that may decide the tourney....I think if all the designers were to "do over" they would redesign to make their ships HE spammers with smaller caliber guns aiming at killing crew and burning down the opponent. This is in no way to criticize the game, but to mimic the real world where no matter how well a nation or engineer designs a ship, if you have an idiot at the helm it won't end well. 🙂

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

I would really like to see a better AI. Even something like a behavior button going from "stay at max range" to "brawl" would be extremely helpful. Stellaris comes to mind for ship combat behavior that you can set in the designer.

Using secondaries makes more sense in this game, they hit far more often cause rate of fire and usually the amount of them, whereas unless you get lucky, your main guns either miss, ricochet, or partial pen far too often to trade the dps

Let's go Germans! Loving this series so far and I'm really looking forward to the next episode

Wow are those British secondaries scary. With a weakness to flooding due to low fore/aft belt armor, that seems like the only way to reliably take them down. I have a feeling that the British will do very well in this thing.

This will be fun

when will usa series return? I really like it and i yhink it's your best series yet

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

Soon. Haven't decided on a day yet.

If you ever do a solo A.I. match, can you build a ship that is similar to the Tillman 4-2 maximum battleship and/or have the armour belt around 19 inches? It would be fun to see an Iowa-hulled turret farm in action.

My german design (Willem 3) won against this UK design. I lost one ship burning like a sausage on BBQ very quickly then my BBs sunk all of them.

I don't believe that ships can be made so badly in this budget

I'm betting on British. Both ships are slow, closing will be hard, but I like the almost matched ranges on their guns

I find myself wondering if the low fuel was an intentional design. Normally the AI loves to cruise around at top speed blasting away ineffectually with terrible accuracy. By having just enough fuel to get into range with those withering 8.7"s, the Brittish ships are in a position where they have better accuracy, and more guns pointed at the enemy, with the slowing to 10kt further boosting their hit ratios. They might be easier targets for the enemy, but with more guns blazing away with blistering speed in comparison to most peoples main armament heavy builds, they might benefit more from being a low speed than the enemy does. After all, even at 10kt, we saw how many shots were missing from the German main armament

@jabberwock2517

10 ай бұрын

An excellent point. Immortallica may have been the only featured design that properly accounted for the starting range in its strategy and doctrine. Either way, this video became a hard lesson in how 8.x" accuracy outweighs other design considerations, to the point of becoming an exploit. I also noticed some of these designs are using 14" mains instead of lighter, faster, more accurate 13.9s. I don't think the 8" should be considered proper spam, too many of those shells were on target. If Stealth does a similar tournament for smaller ships, I expect designs based around 2.9" guns (proper spam) will tilt the battle map even more than we saw here.

2:29 brit maybe? Well enjoy watching

How did they missed SO MUCH?!? Even with a distance of less then 12km?!?

Revenge for the battle of Coronel.

Yet another example of how big guns count for squat if you can't put shells on target. Accuracy is king, even if it's by volume.

i'd love an ai design tournment

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

How do you think that will work?

@obeliks_potowski

10 ай бұрын

I remember there was a button in designer to do so. You did it in one taskmasters video (the one with battleship that had it's Main guns in the middle of the ship)

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

@@obeliks_potowski Yeah I know how to do it, but where's the fun in that?

@obeliks_potowski

10 ай бұрын

Oh, you're right

suggestion, run the tourney again with the remaining designs, eliminating the ones already used. al least a cpl more weeks worth of videos, that im sure everyone would watch

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

No thanks. I'll run another tournament after this one

Wow, thought the Germans had this one in the bag. I really didn't see how a British victory was possible. This tournament is turning out really interesting.

Taking into account all the stupid things the AI does, it seems like the heavy gun strtegy is verx relying on getting a good wrecking salvo off before the received secondary fire windles down the accuracy. The HE spam is the more reliable tactic. Probably even when loosing one ship early on.

Silly me - I thought the word "challenge" was misspelled until I googled "challonge" .

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

Challonge Acceptod.

I know the only way to make these fair is to use the AI, but the AI is a little light on I. There was no reason at all for the German ships to be inside the range of the british 8" guns.

GO GREAT BRITAN!!

Dumb AI closing to mutch whit no reason for that, if german keeped safe shooting range, english had no chance - at least to keep safe distance from these 8.7 inchers.

8" gun exploit lmaoo

Low fuel in a match of two AI forces. How does that happen?

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

I suspect they just use fuel during the battle. It's a new phenomenon to me in a custom battle.

@dragonslayer2107

10 ай бұрын

@@Stealth17Gaming Maybe if you do a tournament like this again you can have each match be best 2 out of 3 battles to compensate for the weird glitches that might screw over a competitor in one battle but not be a problem the next.

I wonder what was up with the German aim, they had stupidly low accuracy for much of the match

@edmanning8545

10 ай бұрын

I agree, but the AI insistence to close to bayonet range....and then insist on changing targets does not help.

my bet is on germany

Hm I say Germany win this round Let's see

@ssumdee

10 ай бұрын

Damn.

@jmcgaminghov9994

10 ай бұрын

They won the moral victory by not spamming HE 😂

Its sad to see how stuid the AI is in this game.

@Stealth17Gaming

10 ай бұрын

Yeah

Betting German

Germany will win the first round of the loser bracket.